Really well done video. It's amazing how often the non-professionals do not mention position when they discuss the four hands at the end of the video. Very nice work, Mr. Robbins.
Okay before I go and watch the rest... 0:33 why is he playing six tables at the small laptop and four on the big screen, at least switch it around, at most you could probably fit all eight tables and then some on the bigger screen.
fruitshoot91 's account was active from 2010 to 2014, he made profit in 1 of them 4 years, his total cashes in his profit year were $13k (in mtt's). total cashes over them 4 years was $48k, i supect he was a break even player on average, but may have the skills to make money now as he seems to be learning
Poker takes more than 1,000 hands until skill is the dominant factor and even at that point luck is still nearly 50%. Less than 1,000 and luck is dominant factor. So you have to play small enough stakes so you can play thousand hands without having to move down in stakes and you have to have enough skill to have a large edge otherwise you won't make much and you won't beat the rake. If you are dependent on poker for income you better be able to make many times what you need to survive because many months you will have to withdraw from bankroll and the bad runs of cards over a long enough period of time will eventually last a few thousand hands. You also better spend several hours on training, reviewing hand play, using software to calculate equity of decision vs approximate opponent, etc.
No one asks the obvious.. "why are there multiple monitors and computers in their room". This video is obviously to brainwash people into accepting their losses after they've been sucked out through Pokerstars pick-pocketing.
+Jed Smith what you mean? this is standard, maybe you are in australia or somewhere where timezone doesnt match with central europe peak times. When there on anniversaries and some special sunday events there are more than 300k sometimes
+J tinks : It is how it is thinking about. It is how to respond with a hand ore play the hand in what position. whether it is 1 cent or $ 10 ore more. I play sometimes $ 5 $ 10 nl NOT ONLINE., and the pot can sometimes rise above $ 4,000, does that make me A pro? No. I play for fun. It's how you should calculate your chances of being a winning player so you can live, and yes if you play 25 tables 1 cent 2 cent 12 hours a day you can live from it.. Because that 80% of players do not think properly and can not count. And 99.9% do not think and look further than the pro. How about several intenet connection in the house. Cable Internet. old copper line. glass fiber. mob phone internet and wifi from neighbors. and free Wi-Fi hotspots. Just get a few people to open an account and a number of computers at home and you're with 2 3 chairs at the same table, and your chances are even greater. Or how about, from multiple friends sitting at one table and using skype or whatsapp. Is it you never noticed that so much is gained with miraculous hands. if you've read this so as well so you know why there are so many times online won with miraculous hands. you really thought that they were all able to control that. online all you need a few extra friends at the table and you played them completely. Play in real life than you know what your skills are. Then you can see whether you are or not cheated. You can not see how many friends the other line at the table. And I know this because I have been told how it works to pull the tables empty, full barns are designed for it. Also on the 1 cent and 2 cent tables who thinks now about that !!!!! The online poker rooms that get the rake. That does not matter which you go allin with your trips to a wonderful street or bigger packages. 99.9% of the players have never thought about this and poker rooms are only too happy. RAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! more cars and bigger ships. And if you're here again thought about, drying up behind the ears and ask yourself again whether you're going to play online. THINK ONCE MORE AFTER PEOPLE. !!!!
And yes, there are people who earn their money this way also on the low tables. So they are pro unnoticed. To your language use is clearly noticeable that, outside the box thinking is not possible.
Why should I lie. I always thought it was suspicious how people could play online certain hands and raise ore min RR to get the pot bigger and then fold. I'm going to follow the xflixx lessons for months because I thought it was my play. That turned out not to be so. After about 27 tournaments, I was 2nd just below him in the home game. I have talked with several people about this. , There was one who told me how it is done. It is played as I put it back here. and if you do not believe me ask xflixx who was 2nd in the final home game in December 2015.
Joker I watched the video in the office, along with a TAG online+live regular friend (same as me), and another recreational one, who joins our cash games just for fun. We made him be the first one to decide on each of the four hands. He nailed A2s and ATo, minraised KQo, and limped 65s, while we easily nailed all four of them.
Liviu Chircu so he nailed hand 3 then and you and the TAG got it wrong? Surely min raise call it off is more +EV, higher variance maybe but deffo the better line
hand 1 is a fold 50bb deep, not over the moon with hitting TP, any may get squeezed as played easy fold on turn. (cant believe not one of them mentioned 50bb deep) hand 2 easy fold, no explanation needed hand 3 min raise, call it off, not in bad shape if flatted, we can check back and see a free turn, or fold to a donk if we miss. I think min raise call off is way more +EV than just shoving and taking down pot, only hands better will call a shove, but much worse can shove a min raise hand 4 easy fold, no implied odds as we are 25bb deep, as said if we steal and bb shoves we are pretty much priced in for half of our stack with 6 high. easy fold go learn about the M number for tournaments
All the players here are pretty fundamentally sound poker players. When they do the hypothetical analysis some of it is a bit flawed. I'll just go with one example. When they are shoving on the button with their last $11 bucks w K-Q off. They should say first, that "they aren't bankrolled enough for even that low micro No Limit game". A pro, would usually never be low stacked, he would "always have enough to make a re buy (rebuy to at least be average stacked (based on the other players stacks), in that situation the player should have $65 to $75 dollars as a stack. Playing with short stacks almost makes you an easy read and call if you go "All in". I mean they are taking an example of an online real cash game, not a tournament session. Did anyone see the NL stakes?? (blind amounts) Yeah, we are talking micro levels .10-.20, .25-.50 &.50-$1.00 Not to many players, playing at those stakes, will have that type of "level thinking", as it concerns poker thinking. While more than half the players playing those stakes would be recreational players. In other words, these "pros" should be playing well above the micro "blind limits" maybe, $2-$4 or $3--$6 NL stakes (and those are still low stakes). And even if they are crushing or beating the micro limits....how much are they going to make each session?? $75 to $100 per session, even assuming they are profitable players, it would be hard to make a decent living on those wins
so the more games you play the less bad beats you get yea hmmm i kinda dout that ,,i think any1 who wins on online poker doesnt nessesarily mean they are good players i think they are jst the lucky 10% that the site doesnt beat dwn all the time cause they need some winners out there to keep us keen
yea doesnt stop me i still feel like i will sus online 1 day,,iv found if you dont play turbo games you get a much beter chance at excaping those big all in bad beats ,,im cashing abit more now
john anthony uve got it all wrong. the more u play, the less PERCENTAGE of time u see a bad beat. if u play 100 hands as the stronger hand on average as a 70-30% favourite, u may see 40 bad beats if youre unlucky, or only 20% bad beats if youre lucky. this is a very small sample size, and so variance will be high. if you play 10,000 hands as the 70-30% favourite, the percentage of time you win will be much closer to 30%, and thus you will be profitable, since the variance will generally be lower. it's elementary statistics. if you can't understand that concept then you're the dream opponent, aka the type of player that exists to allow professionals to be profitable
na cause pros wont be calling a 4 bet or goin all in with q 8 with there whole stack on the line after 3 hours of play and cracking boats on the flop ,,online if you play 100 hands with the 70% beter hand you will win bout 10 of them haha ,,do you make a profit online are you the lucky 10%
john anthony wtf ? ofc shove a wider range vs a spazzy twat for 100bb preflop. Anybody experienced in zoom/HU Hypers will be very knowledgable about what to stack off with & which opponent to do it against.
so ur saying its fair enuf to call an all in with q8 against someone who has been playing only good hands ,,so when you do you are up against ak or a hi pocket pair and you hit ur boat on the flop ,,thats online poker it happens to the best of players not the idiots , and remember thats with ur whole stack on the line not because ur fully chipped up and can afford it,,thats the bullshit that happens to me ,,my question is why do they do it in the 1st place,,then they fukn win
+Seaton1518 no, just watch any wsop after 2006, most are 20 something internet players who learned how to work an ipad before they could tie their shoe laces
Really well done video. It's amazing how often the non-professionals do not mention position when they discuss the four hands at the end of the video. Very nice work, Mr. Robbins.
This is a good donkumentary
This might be an elaborate troll lmao
Cmon we’re all donkeys
Excellent Documentary! I subbed! Thank you Sam
Good documentary Sam. i watched your documentary from start to end.
this is not a POKER DOCUMENTARY, its a POKERSTARS ADVERTISING
Full tilt poker's slogan - Your player funds are safe and secure.
I learned alot from this, thanks for the video!
I’m 1/3 the way through and can’t decide whether to continue or not. I’ve never been so conflicted over a youtube video in my life.
lol why
lolololol
really good job , this video helped me a lot :)
Good documentary.
Lederer wallpaper, 2015 ? wtf ?
+justletmesigninokthx he is also playing 1c/2c
+justletmesigninokthx rofl
+steve o they were using it as an example.
better then the wall paper at 8:34
make a part 2. good stuff! like wsop 2015 is a good subject
i just have one question. why are they playing cash games shortstacked??
+fabio oliveira some poker pro's are professional shortstackers, maybe that's why.
Some players prefer to play that way, for various reasons.
Cuts down variance!
Great Vid ! Helps a lot
Also u guys are so far behind the curve it's crazy
Okay before I go and watch the rest... 0:33 why is he playing six tables at the small laptop and four on the big screen, at least switch it around, at most you could probably fit all eight tables and then some on the bigger screen.
the soo cold pros b3ing interviewed on this video all need a good night's sleep
The way these dudes handle a deck of cards looks like it may be their first time playing.
fruitshoot91 's account was active from 2010 to 2014, he made profit in 1 of them 4 years, his total cashes in his profit year were $13k (in mtt's). total cashes over them 4 years was $48k, i supect he was a break even player on average, but may have the skills to make money now as he seems to be learning
Poker takes more than 1,000 hands until skill is the dominant factor and even at that point luck is still nearly 50%. Less than 1,000 and luck is dominant factor.
So you have to play small enough stakes so you can play thousand hands without having to move down in stakes and you have to have enough skill to have a large edge otherwise you won't make much and you won't beat the rake.
If you are dependent on poker for income you better be able to make many times what you need to survive because many months you will have to withdraw from bankroll and the bad runs of cards over a long enough period of time will eventually last a few thousand hands. You also better spend several hours on training, reviewing hand play, using software to calculate equity of decision vs approximate opponent, etc.
NoJuan Holmes lol, try around 20,000 hands minimum
NoJuan Holmes where are u getting this 50% figure?
+ketchup143 i would say you'll need at least 1 year or two to become a good player after intense studying..
his ass
Damn I'm such a rookie.
I would do everything the rookies would in those situations... :(
also, why show a tournament graph and cash game hands?
How do you make all the different states to appear below the players?
No one asks the obvious.. "why are there multiple monitors and computers in their room".
This video is obviously to brainwash people into accepting their losses after they've been sucked out through Pokerstars pick-pocketing.
TakeSomeAdvice What...?
Are you still mad about going broke?
good stuff! Thanks
Great info; thanks.
WHAT? 200,000 online players at pokerstars in 2014? IS THIS REAL???
+Jed Smith what you mean? this is standard, maybe you are in australia or somewhere where timezone doesnt match with central europe peak times. When there on anniversaries and some special sunday events there are more than 300k sometimes
Nice one guys !!
3:27 Daniel colman in blue tanktop?
Well done Sam.
what was the book mentioned in the beginning?
It's why we play poker when I see these amateur decisions
look at the background at the computer at 08.00 min. good ol lederer
If you wanna answer like the pros, you're getting pretty good odds if you just say "fold"
AT 27:29, can somebody tell me what the hell hapened with his cards??!
watch it again in .25 speed
They're not called amateurs for nothing.
omg! I loled so hard at this
18:09 even after the mistake you cant fold for $4 when theres $20 in the pot
Are poker players not allowed to go gym
1 cent 2 cent and you think you are a professional, wtf?
+J tinks : It is how it is thinking about. It is how to respond with a hand ore play the hand in what position. whether it is 1 cent or $ 10 ore more. I play sometimes $ 5 $ 10 nl NOT ONLINE., and the pot can sometimes rise above $ 4,000, does that make me A pro? No. I play for fun. It's how you should calculate your chances of being a winning player so you can live, and yes if you play 25 tables 1 cent 2 cent 12 hours a day you can live from it.. Because that 80% of players do not think properly and can not count.
And 99.9% do not think and look further than the pro. How about several intenet connection in the house. Cable Internet. old copper line. glass fiber. mob phone internet and wifi from neighbors. and free Wi-Fi hotspots. Just get a few people to open an account and a number of computers at home and you're with 2 3 chairs at the same table, and your chances are even greater.
Or how about, from multiple friends sitting at one table and using skype or whatsapp.
Is it you never noticed that so much is gained with miraculous hands. if you've read this so as well so you know why there are so many times online won with miraculous hands. you really thought that they were all able to control that.
online all you need a few extra friends at the table and you played them completely.
Play in real life than you know what your skills are. Then you can see whether you are or not cheated. You can not see how many friends the other line at the table. And I know this because I have been told how it works to pull the tables empty, full barns are designed for it. Also on the 1 cent and 2 cent tables who thinks now about that !!!!!
The online poker rooms that get the rake. That does not matter which you go allin with your trips to a wonderful street or bigger packages.
99.9% of the players have never thought about this and poker rooms are only too happy. RAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! more cars and bigger ships.
And if you're here again thought about, drying up behind the ears and ask yourself again whether you're going to play online.
THINK ONCE MORE AFTER PEOPLE. !!!!
+vage kennis lol wtf was that ramble bull shit about. bored I guess
And yes, there are people who earn their money this way also on the low tables. So they are pro unnoticed.
To your language use is clearly noticeable that, outside the box thinking is not possible.
huh don't lie
Why should I lie. I always thought it was suspicious how people could play online certain hands and raise ore min RR to get the pot bigger and then fold. I'm going to follow the xflixx lessons for months because I thought it was my play. That turned out not to be so. After about 27 tournaments, I was 2nd just below him in the home game. I have talked with several people about this. , There was one who told me how it is done. It is played as I put it back here. and if you do not believe me ask xflixx who was 2nd in the final home game in December 2015.
I'm wondering if the amateurs are actors. If not, it's quite funny to see how donks think about their hands :D
Joker i got plenty of friends who think exactly the same way. i assure u, they are VERY real ;)
Joker I watched the video in the office, along with a TAG online+live regular friend (same as me), and another recreational one, who joins our cash games just for fun. We made him be the first one to decide on each of the four hands. He nailed A2s and ATo, minraised KQo, and limped 65s, while we easily nailed all four of them.
Liviu Chircu so he nailed hand 3 then and you and the TAG got it wrong? Surely min raise call it off is more +EV, higher variance maybe but deffo the better line
alll the amateurs completely disregard position
How do I get into these homegames with your "amateurs " seems like it would be profitable hahah.. :)
I looked into gambling online with blackjack, that shite takes days to get paid.
But online poker and real life poker are two completely different games. Internet players are bad in real life on the whole
petechett fuck up
hand 1 is a fold 50bb deep, not over the moon with hitting TP, any may get squeezed as played easy fold on turn. (cant believe not one of them mentioned 50bb deep)
hand 2 easy fold, no explanation needed
hand 3 min raise, call it off, not in bad shape if flatted, we can check back and see a free turn, or fold to a donk if we miss. I think min raise call off is way more +EV than just shoving and taking down pot, only hands better will call a shove, but much worse can shove a min raise
hand 4 easy fold, no implied odds as we are 25bb deep, as said if we steal and bb shoves we are pretty much priced in for half of our stack with 6 high. easy fold go learn about the M number for tournaments
dude...no one cares...seriously lol
hand 3 ez shove
All the players here are pretty fundamentally sound poker players. When they do the hypothetical analysis some of it is a bit flawed. I'll just go with one example. When they are shoving on the button with their last $11 bucks w K-Q off. They should say first, that "they aren't bankrolled enough for even that low micro No Limit game". A pro, would usually never be low stacked, he would "always have enough to make a re buy (rebuy to at least be average stacked (based on the other players stacks), in that situation the player should have $65 to $75 dollars as a stack. Playing with short stacks almost makes you an easy read and call if you go "All in". I mean they are taking an example of an online real cash game, not a tournament session.
Did anyone see the NL stakes?? (blind amounts) Yeah, we are talking micro levels .10-.20, .25-.50 &.50-$1.00 Not to many players, playing at those stakes, will have that type of "level thinking", as it concerns poker thinking. While more than half the players playing those stakes would be recreational players. In other words, these "pros" should be playing well above the micro "blind limits" maybe, $2-$4 or $3--$6 NL stakes (and those are still low stakes). And even if they are crushing or beating the micro limits....how much are they going to make each session?? $75 to $100 per session, even assuming they are profitable players, it would be hard to make a decent living on those wins
Playing poker online against a computer is just plain stupid.
yea lol you are *not* playing against a computer
are you sure ? :)
A10 off against 3bet and caller let alone UTG initial raiser is it me or is that just a fold no thinking needed without HUDS
even vs 1st raiser easy fold
One of the largest internet scams ever.
lol what?
Only if you suck lol
in my country pokerstars cant be played for money
fruitshoot91 has a lower sharkscope rating then me, and im a break even player ( $50k in cashes, -$250 overall). just saying
the amateurs soound like good players trying to talk like fish lol
so the more games you play the less bad beats you get yea hmmm i kinda dout that ,,i think any1 who wins on online poker doesnt nessesarily mean they are good players i think they are jst the lucky 10% that the site doesnt beat dwn all the time cause they need some winners out there to keep us keen
yea doesnt stop me i still feel like i will sus online 1 day,,iv found if you dont play turbo games you get a much beter chance at excaping those big all in bad beats ,,im cashing abit more now
john anthony uve got it all wrong. the more u play, the less PERCENTAGE of time u see a bad beat. if u play 100 hands as the stronger hand on average as a 70-30% favourite, u may see 40 bad beats if youre unlucky, or only 20% bad beats if youre lucky. this is a very small sample size, and so variance will be high.
if you play 10,000 hands as the 70-30% favourite, the percentage of time you win will be much closer to 30%, and thus you will be profitable, since the variance will generally be lower.
it's elementary statistics. if you can't understand that concept then you're the dream opponent, aka the type of player that exists to allow professionals to be profitable
na cause pros wont be calling a 4 bet or goin all in with q 8 with there whole stack on the line after 3 hours of play and cracking boats on the flop ,,online if you play 100 hands with the 70% beter hand you will win bout 10 of them haha ,,do you make a profit online are you the lucky 10%
john anthony wtf ? ofc shove a wider range vs a spazzy twat for 100bb preflop. Anybody experienced in zoom/HU Hypers will be very knowledgable about what to stack off with & which opponent to do it against.
so ur saying its fair enuf to call an all in with q8 against someone who has been playing only good hands ,,so when you do you are up against ak or a hi pocket pair and you hit ur boat on the flop ,,thats online poker it happens to the best of players not the idiots , and remember thats with ur whole stack on the line not because ur fully chipped up and can afford it,,thats the bullshit that happens to me ,,my question is why do they do it in the 1st place,,then they fukn win
19:12 nice fake graph, unless he has a 60% itm and 0% wins
Dwan will definitely raise for A2o, what bunch of amateurs nit! lol
impressive pros with 1.5k$ live cashes
don't know why all the dislikes. useful shit
When thnat guy said minraise cmon now, knowones that bad these days :)
is this a parody? 20:15 brotha cant shuffle the damn cards?! and hes a pro? yes pigs have wings too.
Alec Ogden If he is an online pro there would be no reason for him to be good at shuffling cards. Many casino pros never have to shuffle as well.
+Rudi Storm being a professional poker player you would think he has handled a deck of cards before though..
+Seaton1518 no, just watch any wsop after 2006, most are 20 something internet players who learned how to work an ipad before they could tie their shoe laces
this video is a fucking joke right? a parody?
look like it was 10 years ago....clown pros
lol.. this program paid by....
being a nit makes u a good player.. ok then
these amatures are horrible
LOL!
nice shuffle poker pro lol
DrRam1985 He's not a pro dealer...he's a pro player. One of those professions makes way more money than the other...
DrRam1985 yeah... we can all hear your bracelets jingling all the way up your arm too....you winner you.....
seanosomething just saying you cant play poker if you don't know how to deal with the cards ;)
Steve Dudeman i don't think he's a pro player either
DrRam1985 Peace...... :)
eor eor eor
lol at micro stakes 25k a year bum boys, get a job your not good enough
lol documents
ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED !!!
it's funny how it's only losing players who seem to think this lol
lol donkaments
1st!
FAKE
is so fake, online poker is rigged,
it's funny how it seems to be rigged in favor of the players making the best plays isn't it??
online poker is fucking rigged
I'll just assume you're a losing player lol