Note: An update to Refund Exp (Should be 75%) & the main echo for lingyang - Mech Abomination & Lingering Tunes set is actually better than the Glacio set but if you are looking to use the Glacio set (sharing with future glacio units), i would recommend going for Glacio Predator as i tested at level 70 and it does more dps than lampy for rotation purposes.
Wild tip: If you have a Transforming echo skill and use it in battle once the animation starts you can switch to another character to do intro damage and change back to transformed character before animation ends without switch cooldown
I would strongly advise against doing that as theres the off chance you might forget to change it back when trying to claim rewards with waveplates. Also this can only be adjusted once per 12 hours making it much more likely to forget.
@@KokkyGachas the main problem with that trick is. U can't farm normal mobs to elite. Because there drop chance of mats will be lowered hugely. Making it nice in short run but on long run u lose of mats and time
Hey Kokky, I noticed something while farming echoes with your 50/50 method and wanted to tell you in case you wanted to check it out. At level 17 where the rate becomes 50/50 it seems like the echoes that drop alternate in 3/4s so basically from the bosses it’s 3 purples in a row, sometimes 4 then 3 Golds in a row, this seemed to happen quite frequently as I farmed all day yesterday, just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to test this
Does bellborne effect can be stacked? I don't like heron echo skills animation, so I'm using bellborne echo on both verina and sanhua in a same team. If it isn't stackable, then i need to farm heron
Some info feels off, healing bonus is great for healers but not always 1 cost to stack atk, veruna or her plant girl i forgot her name and stack atk to heal team but healers 4* character she need stack hp
I do not believe its worth going for hp% overall even on baizhi. This is especially true since you want to use her offensively in content like illusive realm where shes absolutely broken. As for the echos, these as mentioned are the go to picks. You could select others but it relies on the exact team comps.
I don't think there will be updates unless they release new sets. For specific units, as mentioned there might be other non mainstream setups and they will be covered in character build guides.
@@blkk92 i 2nd this with moonlit sonata effect. It should be enough regen to constantly ult and fill concerto energy. But do not waste resources on 4 star echoes if u already have 5 stars just to get the effect - the main stat should still be priority, regardless of what sonata they belong to. Much better if u can wait to get them all right in the moonlit category before fully investing, since he’s a sub dps/buffer.
Exploration gives a bunch as with illusive realm so check those out. Eventually u wanna farm tacit fields but not right now so don't go all out and spam ur tuners on stuff that you don't plan to keep for awhile hope that helps!
Im planning to get 4/4/1/1/1 crit rate for Cacharo it’s hard to pass. Just pray ER and Attack on substats. Additional crit rate and damage is a plus. 😊
Crit rate is so fickle it's difficult. I've gone 4/3/3/1/1 and gotten some crit rate luckily from the sub stats. If you can manage that I personally think it's better since you can roll pretty high crit rate stats. Even getting 9.6x2 on your 3 costs would almost equal out what you would have gotten with a 4/4 setup but you also get the 60% more electric damage. Yes crit rate is really nice but when you land a good 11k crit because you have the stacked damage even sitting at 46/150 with 4 star attack/attack weapon it's still good.
@@1norwood1 It will but out of all the stats “at this point” of the game right now, elemental damage bonus scales better than anything. Remember, crit stats scale off of atk - on the same note, the game is oversaturated with atk% stats rn and atm will not really scale well with how low the base atk is considering we’re still in the mid lvls. We can start worrying about crit stats once our base atk gets higher with lvls, which is prolly still months away from this point in time. I got lucky with verdant summit in 12 pulls but I don’t really use calcharo rn so it’s on the bench til i get more echo mats cuz I exhausted it building havoc rover and danjin lol. Prioritize elemental dmg bonus on 3 cost echoes; crit rate from 4 cost is enough FOR NOW, with some luck on substats. Invest on 5 star echoes only. Regardless of what you roll on lvling them up, keep em cuz u end up spreading your resources thin if u min max rn.
Thundering is trash on everyone, until the end of time or they change it. It has nothing to do with the type of character you're using. No one wants to be stuck doing a 3 second attack that only gives you a buff IF the final hit lands (and you aint dead).
which echo is better for calcharo? the Tempest boss or the Thunder boss? I dont know why they went for 2 that are almost the same but not quite... one more thing, does he need both? then its twice crit%? 4/4/1/1/1/ ? or even then 4/3/3/1/1 is better? nice guide!
thunder boss has a really bad echo skill due to the animations so people go towards tempest boss instead. For the buffers, with an example like sanhua, shes more so a burst dps buffer than she is a pure healer buffer like verina so you definitely want crit % regardless. As for energy requirements, it depends on your team comp but if you do need it grab it somewhere your echo sub stats but with the energy share being 50%, it is less of a problem iirc.
@@kyeda I think you might be quoting information from cbt2. They nerfed the echo skills abit for some of them and flautist is no longer ideal as it doesn't do well with insta swap cancel. You can test it to see how much concerto energy it gives and its definitely less now prolly only 3 or 4 hits.
@@adib3011 I mean, you have to. the damage buff is too strong too pass on. example calcharo, not only does the thunder echo transformation give %electro, but resonation liberty as well, double dipping on his kit. It still feels bad to use though, I'll give you that. I think they should either speed up the animation or activate the 4 cost echo buffs on the first hit and then cancel out of the combo. Like even if that thunder guy just flat out misses the last attack, the buff won't apply.
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Note: An update to Refund Exp (Should be 75%) & the main echo for lingyang - Mech Abomination & Lingering Tunes set is actually better than the Glacio set but if you are looking to use the Glacio set (sharing with future glacio units), i would recommend going for Glacio Predator as i tested at level 70 and it does more dps than lampy for rotation purposes.
Wild tip: If you have a Transforming echo skill and use it in battle once the animation starts you can switch to another character to do intro damage and change back to transformed character before animation ends without switch cooldown
The first hit needs to hit or the rest of the attack fizzle
you can also lower world level to farm bosses faster as echoes are not effected by it
I would strongly advise against doing that as theres the off chance you might forget to change it back when trying to claim rewards with waveplates. Also this can only be adjusted once per 12 hours making it much more likely to forget.
@@KokkyGachas the main problem with that trick is. U can't farm normal mobs to elite. Because there drop chance of mats will be lowered hugely. Making it nice in short run but on long run u lose of mats and time
@@KokkyGachas gotcha, thanks for the response
it is affected, my data bank is at 15+, but when i enter my friend's world, i still get 2* echos and not a single 4*
How do you do that?
Hey Kokky, I noticed something while farming echoes with your 50/50 method and wanted to tell you in case you wanted to check it out. At level 17 where the rate becomes 50/50 it seems like the echoes that drop alternate in 3/4s so basically from the bosses it’s 3 purples in a row, sometimes 4 then 3 Golds in a row, this seemed to happen quite frequently as I farmed all day yesterday, just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to test this
one of the best echoes guide!!
Great guide thanks!
in the healers doesnt baizhi scale on hp??
btw baizhi's heals scale off hp
please, so its better to do 43311 right?
Yes
For mortefi sub dps is it better to go molten or moonlit. Great guide btw
Im farming out moonlit for him. I haven seen ppl using him with molten rift tbf since hes almost always a dedicated buffer/sub dps to other main dps.
@@KokkyGachas ah okay thank you for the reply
Great video💯👌👏👏👏👏
Thanks for the guide, as i am absolutely horrendous at building my characters 😭
Nice vid, being taught how to play waves by my Asian parent, Steven He.
so its worse to have 2 crit damage 4 costs maxxes with crit sub stat and 3 1 costs with crit rate and damage?
How get the materials and more for lv up echo?
Great video. Very helpful tips
Does bellborne effect can be stacked? I don't like heron echo skills animation, so I'm using bellborne echo on both verina and sanhua in a same team. If it isn't stackable, then i need to farm heron
Nope just go heron
5 star weapons basically has a double base attack as a 3 star off rip...
Every dps wants energy regen too. Enough to be able to ult once every rotation.
They should be obtained on the sub stats lines. Obtaining them on the mainstat lines are a waste as they compete with elemental dmg %
@@KokkyGachas Oh yeah, I agree. That's what I mean.
What's better for the 3 cost echo? Attak% or the element damage?
Elemental
@@muhammadalifmulkymurtadha4493 I see thanks, better farm this 3 cost more
Some info feels off, healing bonus is great for healers but not always 1 cost to stack atk, veruna or her plant girl i forgot her name and stack atk to heal team but healers 4* character she need stack hp
And some echos monster u could try hold echos and that is differnt
I do not believe its worth going for hp% overall even on baizhi. This is especially true since you want to use her offensively in content like illusive realm where shes absolutely broken. As for the echos, these as mentioned are the go to picks. You could select others but it relies on the exact team comps.
Will you update this every now and then?
I don't think there will be updates unless they release new sets. For specific units, as mentioned there might be other non mainstream setups and they will be covered in character build guides.
For mortify should I get attk% or crit%? (Used to Supports jian with outro and ult)
Edit: it's crit% especially since his c2 gives crit dmg on ult.
For DPS
4 Cost - Crit %
3 Cost - Fusion %
3 Cost - Fusion %
1 Cost - Att %
1 Cost - Att %
@@blkk92 can you get two attack main stats for 1 cost echoes? or is it always atk and hp
@@blkk92 i 2nd this with moonlit sonata effect. It should be enough regen to constantly ult and fill concerto energy. But do not waste resources on 4 star echoes if u already have 5 stars just to get the effect - the main stat should still be priority, regardless of what sonata they belong to. Much better if u can wait to get them all right in the moonlit category before fully investing, since he’s a sub dps/buffer.
@@Kimcharmxd Only one main stats of ATT %
@@Z-r0grav1ty I mained Mortefi 🤣
What about 4431 cost ? Can it be ideal
no cuz u want full set bonus
Great, now we are run out of premium tuner.
What's next??
Exploration gives a bunch as with illusive realm so check those out. Eventually u wanna farm tacit fields but not right now so don't go all out and spam ur tuners on stuff that you don't plan to keep for awhile hope that helps!
Im planning to get 4/4/1/1/1 crit rate for Cacharo it’s hard to pass. Just pray ER and Attack on substats. Additional crit rate and damage is a plus. 😊
That's a good choice I'm having 0 luck with the elemental dmg too
I suggest to get 4/3/3/1/1 to get full electro effect eventually.
@@Z-r0grav1tyWhat weapon do you use with Cacharo? I'm struggling to get Crit Rate with my Calcharo I think this 4/4/1/1 idea will really help.
Crit rate is so fickle it's difficult. I've gone 4/3/3/1/1 and gotten some crit rate luckily from the sub stats. If you can manage that I personally think it's better since you can roll pretty high crit rate stats. Even getting 9.6x2 on your 3 costs would almost equal out what you would have gotten with a 4/4 setup but you also get the 60% more electric damage. Yes crit rate is really nice but when you land a good 11k crit because you have the stacked damage even sitting at 46/150 with 4 star attack/attack weapon it's still good.
@@1norwood1 It will but out of all the stats “at this point” of the game right now, elemental damage bonus scales better than anything. Remember, crit stats scale off of atk - on the same note, the game is oversaturated with atk% stats rn and atm will not really scale well with how low the base atk is considering we’re still in the mid lvls. We can start worrying about crit stats once our base atk gets higher with lvls, which is prolly still months away from this point in time. I got lucky with verdant summit in 12 pulls but I don’t really use calcharo rn so it’s on the bench til i get more echo mats cuz I exhausted it building havoc rover and danjin lol. Prioritize elemental dmg bonus on 3 cost echoes; crit rate from 4 cost is enough FOR NOW, with some luck on substats. Invest on 5 star echoes only. Regardless of what you roll on lvling them up, keep em cuz u end up spreading your resources thin if u min max rn.
tempest or thundering for yinlin?
Thundering is trash on everyone, until the end of time or they change it. It has nothing to do with the type of character you're using. No one wants to be stuck doing a 3 second attack that only gives you a buff IF the final hit lands (and you aint dead).
Why not Inferno Rider on Mortefi?
Inferno rider is a dps echo in that is in the fusion damage set. Mortefi is a support
@@_thestar ur right, i understand it after some hours i watched this video. ^^
which echo is better for calcharo? the Tempest boss or the Thunder boss? I dont know why they went for 2 that are almost the same but not quite... one more thing, does he need both? then its twice crit%? 4/4/1/1/1/ ? or even then 4/3/3/1/1 is better? nice guide!
thunder boss has a really bad echo skill due to the animations so people go towards tempest boss instead. For the buffers, with an example like sanhua, shes more so a burst dps buffer than she is a pure healer buffer like verina so you definitely want crit % regardless. As for energy requirements, it depends on your team comp but if you do need it grab it somewhere your echo sub stats but with the energy share being 50%, it is less of a problem iirc.
@@kyedathis is what iv come to understand too. Transformation echoes should not be used on them.
@@kyeda I think you might be quoting information from cbt2. They nerfed the echo skills abit for some of them and flautist is no longer ideal as it doesn't do well with insta swap cancel. You can test it to see how much concerto energy it gives and its definitely less now prolly only 3 or 4 hits.
@@KokkyGachas thnx for all the info! great!
@@adib3011 I mean, you have to. the damage buff is too strong too pass on. example calcharo, not only does the thunder echo transformation give %electro, but resonation liberty as well, double dipping on his kit. It still feels bad to use though, I'll give you that. I think they should either speed up the animation or activate the 4 cost echo buffs on the first hit and then cancel out of the combo. Like even if that thunder guy just flat out misses the last attack, the buff won't apply.
help, why does mine say invalid login status?
How to refund echoes?
Use them as exp and they will give the unit u are using 80% of the exp they took
No offense or anything but ngl, dude kind of sound like the emotional damage guy sometimes
Steven He is great tbf
You kinda have that Malaysian English accent
Yea Im from Singapore