Arty's casting is truly next level. Not only does he have deep knowledge of the game, but he also constantly coughs and excuses himself so it feels like Tasteless is there, too! Thanks, Arty!
"sorry about any coughing, I don't know what is going on with that" the cold: "I am feeding on the chills generated by flash games, as long as flash plays, I am invincible".
the chills (no joke here) when Artosis is able to predict the plan of one or both players. That really shows the quality. Instead of simply commentating what is happening, that is already plenty good, even properly predicting! That is skill! (at least B terran I guess)
@@Dziaji In a better world someone at Blizzard would have put their hand up and said something along the lines of "it might look a bit strange but having workers immune to AOE damage would be much better balance".
I don't get why Protoss players don't kill SCVs with Dragoons instead of just right clicking the bunker and waiting for siege mode. Like the repairing SCVs especially are just free and marines take years to kill Dragoons
Yes, I would like to listen to Artosis's explanation for that. I get that goons have blast damage that deals only half to SCV, but still with 3 goons you could try to snipe SCV if terran player doesn't react immediately.
you have to walk 2+ units into marine range each dragoon shot costs 2-3 minerals to repair and also causes idle time on the scv. so each dragoon attacking the bunker causes the terran to spend about 2 minerals per second constantly scvs mine a little over 1 mineral per second, so every dragoon attacking the bunker is basically the same as the terran having 3 scvs fewer. that is substantial economic damage when you can make a 30 scv terran effectively have 18 with 4 dragoons for upwards of a minute+
@@sneediumminer Yea, but it still doesn't explain why they don't try to snipe a SCV by taking some shield damage. I doubt that with 3-4 goons, every terran will react fast enough to pullback/repair the scv that is being hit by goons.
After watching tons of TvP lately, I legit have no idea why Wraiths are never built. Drops are a constant threat, he has an early starport that is unused, and turrrets don't even solve the problem. Surely 2 wraiths wouldn't be that expensive ? Thanks for all the great casts Arty.
Comes with the cost that should go to your factory units. And they'll just suicide the reaver drop then remake it instead so it still accomplishes what it set out to do : to slow down the factory push.
@@reishiki8682 But then the shuttles swarm the army and zealot drop the army. with a sci-vessel and a goliath or two around to clear observers, you could frequently snipe a shuttle or two it seems like.
i definitely think that a wraith to scout the cliffs could have been a very good investment on this map to be able to react to mass drops in a timelly manner
Flash is really having a bad time playing against Protoss… damn! Snow, Best, Motive, all of them have crushed him. I hope he is just figuring things out, practicing strategies, etc one thing I don’t get is why he doesn’t have a small group of 4-5 wraiths to counter the shuttles, that’s always the reason he starts losing the games…
the wraiths are an opportunity cost. the idea isn't 100% without merit, but it's not the "duh he should just make wraiths" that some people are acting like it is
@@theSato obviously, it’s not “make wraiths only” but given that you already start with a build that has a starport early, having a couple of wraiths would be helpful maybe, idk Flash is the genius though, he knows better
i am inclined to think a single wraith to scout the drop coming in would be worth its weight in gold, sometimes you dont have to ask how much does it cost, but rather what it can achieve
gotta say both of them played very well, Flash improving a lot, but Best's play was simply incredible. Much brainier than in ASL actually, great decision making and army movement.
In the end we saw best top game with his shuttles, we could reliably say flash it's on asl level. Not to fight for the title but with a good chance of passing the groups.
But that would break the bio/mech dichotomy they are trapped in. Everyone else has their full tech trees, but Terrans will not allow themselves to do so.
@@Dziaji and it isn't like the barracks is being used. After they build it and get lockdown then it can go back to floating if need be. It just has to work a few times before it becomes one of those moments the game changes and everyone on the ladder tries it. Once it is semi-viable protoss will always have to keep it in mind. Planning the zealot bomb the tanks? One ghost locked down 2 shuttles, costing 1200 minerals. Or heaven forbid you lock down the shuttle with reavers. Game changing
for an early tank drop, is it possible to siege the tank out of vision range of the probes so it can get a shot off before protoss can transfer? i always see the dropships fly in and drop the tank and vultures all at once and usually the probes are on the move before the tank can siege.
In another comment someone said the drain is very significant. And it drains more minerals than outright kills. My question is why don't we see it at least a few times to shock the Terran into over-reacting? Some Terrans almost lose the bunker anyways at the pro level. before the goons pull back when the tank shows itself they could try something.
Naaaah, the missiles would not have enough time to hit, the shuttles would have let the units go already and disoersed. Wraith seem better here with no AoE but hammering each shuttle quickly down.
Sometimes I wonder how we made it 20 years without storm getting a nerf. I know blizzard doesn't patch BW anymore, but holy crap it's just so damn powerful. Sure zerg clouds are annoying, but one storm can just melt 5 fully upgraded tanks from 100 to 0 in 3 seconds, it's wild.
Yeah people complain the most about Swarm but at least it has counter play like bats, mines, tanks or moving into it if it's vs a hydra force. Successfully dodging Storm just means all your guys get to live with 5 hp
Nice! Some more Flash gameplay! I've been loving this series, and we've gotten to check out an amazing set of players. It's been a wild ride and I can't wait to see more.
Basically 0 shuttle defence, how can you win like that, free shuttle harassment all game, you need to make some wraiths in order for your opponents to feel some kind of danger..
Weeeaaaak NA eSports is so weak. I go from working with oil rig workers to dealing with people built like girls or get sick after going to MTL in the SUMMER
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Arty's casting is truly next level. Not only does he have deep knowledge of the game, but he also constantly coughs and excuses himself so it feels like Tasteless is there, too! Thanks, Arty!
That was fantastic 😂you are crazy
Yes. This is his passion and work what do u except? Do it hardcore or leave it.
@@golamyo I expect him to look at Best's base at least once for every ten times he looks at Flash's
lol
🤣🤣🤣
Truly a professional Duo
The Flash virus is giving him chills so much that he can't get over this cold he has.
Flash must have left the door open when he came back because there’s a draft in that room and now Arty’s always got the chills
@@jonathaniszorro Hahahah good one!
I absolutely love this game's sound design, all the scans going on in the background, building sounds, units sounds, just great.
21:27 The most cost-efficient mine I've ever seen
Casting these 5 games gave Artosis enough xp to evolve from Koffing to Weezing
gotta catch em all 😆
Awesome casting. Hope you kick that cold soon Arty! Exciting game! Loved the rally in the middle with the biggest mines I've ever seen
21:25 - 22:30 words can not express the beauty of this moment
Only OoOoOoO
absolutely, although Arty overshot it and said 6 -- it was 5 that died.
@@theSato You can see the 6th die on the minimap after he pans away, and it was obviously walking into range of the mine before he pans away. 6 died
No "Flash" in the title scared me for a second...
EDIT:
Thank God Artosis updated the title🤩
😂😂😂
Thankfully I've learned his ID so immediately relaxed once I knew.
"sorry about any coughing, I don't know what is going on with that"
the cold: "I am feeding on the chills generated by flash games, as long as flash plays, I am invincible".
Bros has a cold for 3 weeks straight
I wish one day we could see games like this from Best in the later stages of an ASL. I feel like he played very well here.
the chills (no joke here) when Artosis is able to predict the plan of one or both players. That really shows the quality. Instead of simply commentating what is happening, that is already plenty good, even properly predicting! That is skill! (at least B terran I guess)
Conceptually ASL champion
Im literally quivering
Im vibrating at low temp
Love the flash upside down world where its cc before nexus
R.I.P HT's, mvp mine
the 69th flash game in a row, i'm getting the chills
Damn Arty's voice got DEEEEP -- casting flash games makes people sound really manly
1. workers hover, don't trigger mines
2. Archons hover, don't trigger mines
3. Vultures hover, don't trigger mines
4. High Templars hover, DO trigger mines....
Consistency 10/10
They don't hover high enough.
Their crotch fabric triggers it.
@@christianhall3916 this. it would be kind of nonsense if HTs couldn't trigger mines, they are meant to be vulnerable.
They hover, but their blue shadows don't
@@theSatoye fair. Screw lor go balance
i've always liked that sc1 observers are actually invisible when not moving (sc2 has the dumb propeller thing you can always see...)
thanks alot for casting so much flash games !
Win or lose it's been fascinating watching Flash's gameplay develop in real time.
thanks for casting this great series
Nice work Arty, I so enjoy these casts, hope you're recovered from your "Montreal flu"
Home of starcraft uploaded this game in Best vision, nice to see for another perspective
Nonstop great casting from Artosis!
Awesome series, great final game! Thanks for the vids
Never seen StarCraft in my life but this guy is cracked!
Terran can’t allow complete free reign for storm drops during whole game. GG!
and they can't deny it either. Such is the tragedy of TvP
@@Dziaji In a better world someone at Blizzard would have put their hand up and said something along the lines of "it might look a bit strange but having workers immune to AOE damage would be much better balance".
I don't get why Protoss players don't kill SCVs with Dragoons instead of just right clicking the bunker and waiting for siege mode. Like the repairing SCVs especially are just free and marines take years to kill Dragoons
Yes, I would like to listen to Artosis's explanation for that. I get that goons have blast damage that deals only half to SCV, but still with 3 goons you could try to snipe SCV if terran player doesn't react immediately.
I think draining the minerals from repair might outscale the mins lost from 1 scv
you have to walk 2+ units into marine range
each dragoon shot costs 2-3 minerals to repair and also causes idle time on the scv. so each dragoon attacking the bunker causes the terran to spend about 2 minerals per second constantly
scvs mine a little over 1 mineral per second, so every dragoon attacking the bunker is basically the same as the terran having 3 scvs fewer. that is substantial economic damage when you can make a 30 scv terran effectively have 18 with 4 dragoons for upwards of a minute+
All i know is, i think it is safe to assume after 40 years that if it was the better move they'd be doing it by now.
@@sneediumminer Yea, but it still doesn't explain why they don't try to snipe a SCV by taking some shield damage. I doubt that with 3-4 goons, every terran will react fast enough to pullback/repair the scv that is being hit by goons.
After watching tons of TvP lately, I legit have no idea why Wraiths are never built. Drops are a constant threat, he has an early starport that is unused, and turrrets don't even solve the problem.
Surely 2 wraiths wouldn't be that expensive ?
Thanks for all the great casts Arty.
Comes with the cost that should go to your factory units. And they'll just suicide the reaver drop then remake it instead so it still accomplishes what it set out to do : to slow down the factory push.
@@reishiki8682 reaver shuttles are not cheap
@@reishiki8682 But then the shuttles swarm the army and zealot drop the army. with a sci-vessel and a goliath or two around to clear observers, you could frequently snipe a shuttle or two it seems like.
Flash is washed
I remember one game he made a Wraith and stopped Reaver drop, had a lead, still lost later
i definitely think that a wraith to scout the cliffs could have been a very good investment on this map to be able to react to mass drops in a timelly manner
I like how you explain to us at 1:00 what the map is like on a blank screen :---D
If you've played the map it's not hard to discern what he is saying.
@@shanemoore6182 If not it's just a black screen
Flash is really having a bad time playing against Protoss… damn! Snow, Best, Motive, all of them have crushed him. I hope he is just figuring things out, practicing strategies, etc one thing I don’t get is why he doesn’t have a small group of 4-5 wraiths to counter the shuttles, that’s always the reason he starts losing the games…
the wraiths are an opportunity cost.
the idea isn't 100% without merit, but it's not the "duh he should just make wraiths" that some people are acting like it is
The problem is they are so expensive, yet so weak. You have to baby sit them with like 120 apm all game to keep them alive and cost efficient.
@@theSato obviously, it’s not “make wraiths only” but given that you already start with a build that has a starport early, having a couple of wraiths would be helpful maybe, idk Flash is the genius though, he knows better
@@Dziaji is it more expensive than 6 zealots being dropped and your own friendly fire from mines and tanks costing you 40 army supply?
i am inclined to think a single wraith to scout the drop coming in would be worth its weight in gold, sometimes you dont have to ask how much does it cost, but rather what it can achieve
Game number 5 at 5 seconds in here tied up two to two I'm not even going to wait for Arty to say it... I have chills right now,,, alright?
Enjoyed watching this one
12:50 flash : 166 protoss: 193
13:09
Flash :117
Protoss :172
Losses 49 vs 21
gotta say both of them played very well, Flash improving a lot, but Best's play was simply incredible. Much brainier than in ASL actually, great decision making and army movement.
In the end we saw best top game with his shuttles, we could reliably say flash it's on asl level. Not to fight for the title but with a good chance of passing the groups.
Again I point at this game to those who question why protoss doesn’t go arbiter - mass shuttle is simply better and requires no other investments
those mines were sick!
Best with some storms that would make Jangbi proud this game. GG's
If Terran had ghosts at some point they can deadlock incoming shutles/arbiters/carriers.
But that would break the bio/mech dichotomy they are trapped in. Everyone else has their full tech trees, but Terrans will not allow themselves to do so.
@@Pangora2 all it would take is a covert ops addon, they already get everything else to make it possible.
@@Dziaji and it isn't like the barracks is being used. After they build it and get lockdown then it can go back to floating if need be.
It just has to work a few times before it becomes one of those moments the game changes and everyone on the ladder tries it. Once it is semi-viable protoss will always have to keep it in mind. Planning the zealot bomb the tanks? One ghost locked down 2 shuttles, costing 1200 minerals. Or heaven forbid you lock down the shuttle with reavers. Game changing
seems like too small a reaction window for drops, but that does sound great for stopping the zealot bomber
@@junioraltamontent.7582 yeah is can stop a zealot bomber or reaver micro. Won't work every time, but emp-ing a templar is similar
22+ kill Archon!
The game should have been a lot closer, but Flash was dropping a lot due to micro. Several HTs just...walk away from a failed attack.
for an early tank drop, is it possible to siege the tank out of vision range of the probes so it can get a shot off before protoss can transfer? i always see the dropships fly in and drop the tank and vultures all at once and usually the probes are on the move before the tank can siege.
I always wonder, how many minerals does repairing that initial bunker drain? Is it a meaningful slowdown, or just a marine or two's worth?
In another comment someone said the drain is very significant. And it drains more minerals than outright kills. My question is why don't we see it at least a few times to shock the Terran into over-reacting? Some Terrans almost lose the bunker anyways at the pro level. before the goons pull back when the tank shows itself they could try something.
DAILY ARTOSIS
Wow what a game
is it worth making a few Valkyries just to shoot down those shuttles?
If you blurred the names out here I would have thought it was Light playing here with the depot setup.
when protoss goes mass shuttles, does valkyries make any sense? seems like 3-4 valks could be a game changer to prevent zealot bombing or am I wrong
Naaaah, the missiles would not have enough time to hit, the shuttles would have let the units go already and disoersed. Wraith seem better here with no AoE but hammering each shuttle quickly down.
I just realised that it have been very long time I last time saw arbiter. How come?
Zerg use all units, Protos use all units too, but Terrans use only factory. 👍
I know this might sound stupid, but I feel like Flash's current mindset would dominate if he plays Protoss.
Sometimes I wonder how we made it 20 years without storm getting a nerf. I know blizzard doesn't patch BW anymore, but holy crap it's just so damn powerful. Sure zerg clouds are annoying, but one storm can just melt 5 fully upgraded tanks from 100 to 0 in 3 seconds, it's wild.
Yeah people complain the most about Swarm but at least it has counter play like bats, mines, tanks or moving into it if it's vs a hydra force. Successfully dodging Storm just means all your guys get to live with 5 hp
If Best played like this in ASL he'd win a lot.
@21:16 I would def find a way to lose here as toss
LETS GOOOOO!!!
zealot drops hurt tanks so much
Nice! Some more Flash gameplay! I've been loving this series, and we've gotten to check out an amazing set of players. It's been a wild ride and I can't wait to see more.
Very good game!
17:05 what about ghosts with love lockdown to stop shuttles? I'm a noob so idk. Maybe just gols is better cuz u might have them already
21:26, o,my god
21:30, Oooo!
I think its more like High Templars going to Hell
Basically 0 shuttle defence, how can you win like that, free shuttle harassment all game, you need to make some wraiths in order for your opponents to feel some kind of danger..
How long did Artosis have his cold?
He prerecords his videos
Probably 10 or 11 days according to the chat
RT, do a channel "Arty does Flash" just for replays of God. We, the sweaty terrans, don't wanna watch anything else :)
Sharp games when?
i want to download this replay in my game how?
Weeeaaaak NA eSports is so weak. I go from working with oil rig workers to dealing with people built like girls or get sick after going to MTL in the SUMMER
High templars from hell? After how charitable they were?
Terran looks so sad in broodwar 😢 well at least modern broodwar 🤷🏻♂️
Flash is losing a lot lately. Hope he will improve soon.
This PvT series felt like it went by in a…..FLASH….sorry I’ll show myself out.
templars dont float??
Tuberculotosis
Engagement
3:00 why not follow scv? :(
I miss Zerg
Why change title high templar from hell i liked it
Sboiler plocker
dat mine on the High Templars
High Templars : "im not locked in here with you, your locked in here with me !!!"
FIRST FIRST FIRST IM A VIRGIN
Flash would have won
ggs
RT you've had a cold for four weeks, go see a doctor for Christ's sake.
For the algo
GG
Tvp yesssssssss😊
how a human can have 300+ apm I'm fat and slow I have like 80-100 apm
hope you feel better soon, stay hydrated!
Appreciate your content but dude do something about your belching 😅
Flash is weak!!!!
Lol this isn't flash
Comments
flash’s play is so sick its making arty ill
It's painful to see flashs lose
pusagi
serral wud ov 1
One suggestion: Make the title clearer as to the content of the video, that its g5/5 between flash vs best for example