𝗖𝗢𝗥𝗥𝗘𝗖𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡 (after Q&A 2024 world cup judges instructions) 5:21 & 15:57 After clarification from the TC, it is possible to have a valid a transmission if the apparatus already crossed a body part, no need for 2nd hand to touch the apparatus. However, it looks like the hoop hasn't even crossed the neck part when the heal is down. No change of score. Just in time before the 2024 fully take off (I hope)...! Ball, clubs, ribbon and 5 hoops finals reviews are coming out very soon :) -> I tried a new format, I hope you'll like it ; don't hesitate to bring critics (is it good? is it bad?can't read, too quick, too much information at once... etc) -> I feel like a broken record saying this but: this is a video review, so obviously the scores are going to be much lower than official scores and somtimes much harsher. It's kind of like a different reality, not absolute truth about what should have been. -> I hesitated heavily for Fanni Pigniczki and Sofia Raffaeli character penalty, before decided to be quite harsh, in my opinion, with a 0.3 penalty. They are both close enough for a 0.0, being far above everyone in that area. I am also torn apart about putting an expression penalty for Vedeneeva (although the final result is not affected by it). What do you think ? ❤Thanks to my 3 patreons who keep sticking to me all those months despite me not posting anything. But now here I am! If you wish to support me (my videos aren't monetized, because music copyright), you can do it here www.buymeacoffee.com/clematisrg or www.patreon.com/clematisrg with any amount you wish :D Thank you all !
incredible format, i love it! it must've taken a very long time to edit. i see the major difference between darja's official score is her 2 missed risks with incomplete rotations. she should try to do 3 under the throw to be safe so the whole risk is not invalidated. personally i also would've penalized more missed artistic connections from her but that is very subjective. your eyes are very sharp to catch her incomplete roll at 12:46!
This probably looks like the kind of system we should use to judge during competitions (with open to public livescoring) and to teach judges how to judge with extreme precision. I am very amazed at how well this reflects reality and still how playfully the format is. This is AMAZING.
I'm so gald the format is has pleasing as it was for me to make!! For Varfolomeev risk, I have to be honest with this one: it took me time to actually realise 2 rotations under the flight weren't there, because I was so used to see it as a regular 0.7 risk, no question. Mistakes sometimes come from not questioning certain habits. For which connections would you have penalized, I'm always open to refresh my eyes ? And my 'eyes' have a very strong zoom and slow-motion included as option ;)
Crossing the fingers to see the very first system of live judging in few years, at least for some parts of the scores 🤞 It would certainly put scores under a different light, for gymnasts, coaches and fans. Thank you so much for your comment ❤️❤️
@@ClematisRGVideosi feel so silly, i rewatched to see which connections i thought were missed but turns out i was just misreading your format. because i was expecting "-0.1" every time, i missed where u put the yellow text for the reason for a deduction 😅 so basically i agree with everything 😄 also i totally agree this should be the livescoring... but after all these years we can only hope there will be a change...
Wanted to say that after this video I’ve noticed so many rolls in WC Athens that were invalid! (Actually the judging there was really strict and I’m pretty sure they didn’t count most of these rolls)
Clematis, Thank for this format, it is very educational, and helps to understand this sport. Thank you very much for all the effort you put into each video. ♥
This format makes me summarize everything you’re such a genious for designing it and it’s amazing. My favorite part is how you instruct us about the criterias
Thank you so much, @clematisRGvideos. You’ve answered many of my concerns on some scores I did not really trust from this competition. In fact, I do still uncertain on what We’ve just seen in Marbella. I won’t así you for any one know, but I am sure that you agree with me than jette on tournant are being overscored. If you want us to suggest exercises to study, I’ll be happy to point out some. Best wishes
Those leaps should just flat out invalidated in the vast majority of cases - poor positions and worse landings. Right in line with the mess of pivot exits and the relevés that are abandoned halfway during the balances that already don’t even last one complete second.
Muito obrigada pelo video!!! Está muito bem apresentado e detalhado. Agradeço muito a sua dedicação em produzir esse conteúdo de altíssima qualidade. ❣
Wow, this is an amazing amount of work here! the new layout is amazing, very clear! On a side note, for some of the dance steps, I would have stopped counting earlier as including ADs in them breaks the character Otherwise, I mostly agree on your analysis, thank you for providing it!
Thank you so much ❤️❤️ For Dance steps, I'm torn apart, because the instructions were quite harsh early 2022, but I feel they have lowered a bit last year and this year again (some examples showed as if the DA somehow shows a tiny bit a character, it's okay). Which dance steps would you have not taken into account? Because taking the definition stricto sensu I see many as well... (Raffaeli 2nd with the roll between the legs, Vedeneeva kinda ?...)
Honestly, when judging live, this is quite normal. As a judge you have a lot to focus on and some details always slip away. I'd say for this final, there is no big mistakes from the judges (maybe A judges are more to criticize, but again, they have a lot to focus on).
And also I feel you were quite harsh with the effect. I felt like there definitely was an effect in at least 4 out of the 6 dances. But I love these videos so so much!! Really awesome and amazing ❤❤
Where do you see those effect, I'd be very curious ? I tend to avoid looking for effect in dance steps because the code says dance steps having dance steps matching the music is basic requirement, not something special (7.1.3.), but sometimes it's true that a moment stands out so much it's impossible not to see them as effect (I would take Kaleyn's ball 2nd dance steps for example). And thank you for your kind comment ❤❤
Okay I'll add mine that I saw: *Boryana - None *Margarita - 3:06 *Fanni - 5:00 *Sofia- The effect you had * Darja - 8:58 * Ekaterina - None Let me know if you agree. An effect has to be outside of dance steps and these ones were
@@mariesargymnast4912 The darja’s one is obviously an effect but there’s no reason to count that after she already did one. The others are missing a bit of uniqueness imo, but you can count them (and the judges probably did) Fanni also could’ve had an effect in 4:38 but it wasn’t on time ):
@@Ldvsuzinemsjiznd what is Darja's other effect? I didn't see another one. And yes I was also thinking of that part for Fanni but she missed the beat of it on that particular day.
I can understand. The angle can change much and sometimes, rotations angles can make everything look different. Plus, how to count full rotation is sometimes a bit loose by FIG (think cartwheel to vertical rotation, or like in Raffaeli's case in which she overlaps two rotations with different axis). So I agree I was quite harsh in here for Varfolomeev and Raffaeli. Removing 1.7 point from the routine make it indeed drop it a lot compare to other gymnasts with lesser risk problem. Otherwise this woul dcurrently place it in silver.
Can't Darja Varfolomeev's AD with the foot in her dance steps be counted as a small bounce or push on the floor instead of a rotation around axis base?
It would still be missing criteria, as you need two criteria on one action (push on the floor). Also there is push from the body, but bounce or push from the floor aren't DA base for hoop (which is unfrotunate, because many cool DA could be done!)
The format was a lot of information at first but I got used to it and you can choose to pause and only look at one section. If darja and vedeneeva can’t hold balances for one second, who can haha?
Yes, I fear the mass of information would be overwhelming and pausing coul dbe quite annoying (is text duration not too short), I tried to reduced it as much as possible, while still being quite complete. So, thank you for clearing my concerns with it 😅 Yes, Varfolomeev and Vedeneeva are probably the one coming the closest (Vedeneeva even succeed it with that backscale in front of the carpet while catching that hoop!)...but the code says one second so 😔 But in the end, everyone is around 4-5 balances with -0.3, so it's not really a deal-breaker for the gymnasts in this review, even though the E-score are super low (which make it looks like the routine was riddled with mistakes!)
Unfortunatly I fear not. I started it a bit for several gymnasts, only doing a first draft on Difficulty only. All I can say is that Varfolomeev and Raffaeli were still 1 and 2, but Atamanov was dropping a bit.
@@ClematisRGVideos ah! Pity! The ribbon from Sofia's all around final really made me super emotional. I found it quite special and was hoping to see your reviw of it. But hey! That's life! 😊
Please ... A request to upper level gymnasts, can you consider using these two songs by Dave Grusin "An Actors Life" and "Number 8" . Those tunes will make beautiful routines.
@@johnalamariz2491yes of course: I got the same podium. The main changes concern Kaleyn who had in my opinion several underotated pivots making her drop in position (as well as Salos and Zelikman, but for others reason, one being due to mistakes and the other one to lower difficulty) whereas Onopriienko got higher as well as Baldassarri, due to the previous gymnasts dropping in ranking and thanks to their good execution and difficulty.
So the judging will just 100% be predetermined always based on the influence pedaling of who’s getting checked marked for invalid elements and deductions ignored 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Sure influence can happen (Artistry), but also, judging live just a limit that cannot be reduced: human body. I know it probably sound awful because in the end there are medals, results, money and funds for the gymnasts, but some judges cannot always do their best despite wanting to. I can't even with one video. Getting the most accurate scoring would means multiple camera angles and accurate system to measure elements (at least for Difficulty and a part of Execution). Which is not what we have so far, so obviously there is going to be mistakes (intentionnal or not).
𝗖𝗢𝗥𝗥𝗘𝗖𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡 (after Q&A 2024 world cup judges instructions)
5:21 & 15:57 After clarification from the TC, it is possible to have a valid a transmission if the apparatus already crossed a body part, no need for 2nd hand to touch the apparatus. However, it looks like the hoop hasn't even crossed the neck part when the heal is down. No change of score.
Just in time before the 2024 fully take off (I hope)...! Ball, clubs, ribbon and 5 hoops finals reviews are coming out very soon :)
-> I tried a new format, I hope you'll like it ; don't hesitate to bring critics (is it good? is it bad?can't read, too quick, too much information at once... etc)
-> I feel like a broken record saying this but: this is a video review, so obviously the scores are going to be much lower than official scores and somtimes much harsher. It's kind of like a different reality, not absolute truth about what should have been.
-> I hesitated heavily for Fanni Pigniczki and Sofia Raffaeli character penalty, before decided to be quite harsh, in my opinion, with a 0.3 penalty. They are both close enough for a 0.0, being far above everyone in that area.
I am also torn apart about putting an expression penalty for Vedeneeva (although the final result is not affected by it). What do you think ?
❤Thanks to my 3 patreons who keep sticking to me all those months despite me not posting anything. But now here I am!
If you wish to support me (my videos aren't monetized, because music copyright), you can do it here www.buymeacoffee.com/clematisrg or www.patreon.com/clematisrg with any amount you wish :D Thank you all !
This is a masterpiece I can't wait for the other videos
love this new layout!! thank you for this! ❤
ah so cool to hear, thank you very very much :D
Amazing work, Clematis you are the one who must judge the Olimpics !!!
incredible format, i love it! it must've taken a very long time to edit.
i see the major difference between darja's official score is her 2 missed risks with incomplete rotations. she should try to do 3 under the throw to be safe so the whole risk is not invalidated. personally i also would've penalized more missed artistic connections from her but that is very subjective. your eyes are very sharp to catch her incomplete roll at 12:46!
This probably looks like the kind of system we should use to judge during competitions (with open to public livescoring) and to teach judges how to judge with extreme precision. I am very amazed at how well this reflects reality and still how playfully the format is. This is AMAZING.
I'm so gald the format is has pleasing as it was for me to make!!
For Varfolomeev risk, I have to be honest with this one: it took me time to actually realise 2 rotations under the flight weren't there, because I was so used to see it as a regular 0.7 risk, no question. Mistakes sometimes come from not questioning certain habits.
For which connections would you have penalized, I'm always open to refresh my eyes ?
And my 'eyes' have a very strong zoom and slow-motion included as option ;)
Crossing the fingers to see the very first system of live judging in few years, at least for some parts of the scores 🤞 It would certainly put scores under a different light, for gymnasts, coaches and fans.
Thank you so much for your comment ❤️❤️
@@ClematisRGVideosi feel so silly, i rewatched to see which connections i thought were missed but turns out i was just misreading your format. because i was expecting "-0.1" every time, i missed where u put the yellow text for the reason for a deduction 😅 so basically i agree with everything 😄
also i totally agree this should be the livescoring... but after all these years we can only hope there will be a change...
Wanted to say that after this video I’ve noticed so many rolls in WC Athens that were invalid! (Actually the judging there was really strict and I’m pretty sure they didn’t count most of these rolls)
This new format is amazing 🤩
Brilliant format. Absolutely cannot wait for the other apparatuses!
Clematis, Thank for this format, it is very educational, and helps to understand this sport. Thank you very much for all the effort you put into each video. ♥
❤️❤️❤️ Thank you so much, I try my best !
Amazing work thank you so much
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This format makes me summarize everything you’re such a genious for designing it and it’s amazing. My favorite part is how you instruct us about the criterias
Wow, thank you!!
Omggggg in love with this 90'-2000' videogame style!!!
The format is really nice !
I have been waiting for a vid like this, can't imagine the time this took you
unexpected! thank you for your work❤️
You're so welcome 😊
This is incredible! Thank you for your hard work and creativity :)
❤️❤️
Thank you so much, @clematisRGvideos. You’ve answered many of my concerns on some scores I did not really trust from this competition. In fact, I do still uncertain on what We’ve just seen in Marbella. I won’t así you for any one know, but I am sure that you agree with me than jette on tournant are being overscored. If you want us to suggest exercises to study, I’ll be happy to point out some. Best wishes
Those leaps should just flat out invalidated in the vast majority of cases - poor positions and worse landings. Right in line with the mess of pivot exits and the relevés that are abandoned halfway during the balances that already don’t even last one complete second.
Thank you so so much...this Is very helpful!
You are so welcome! 💕
Unexpected results!! 😮
Muito obrigada pelo video!!! Está muito bem apresentado e detalhado.
Agradeço muito a sua dedicação em produzir esse conteúdo de altíssima qualidade.
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Thanks for the analysis! I liked this new layout very much
Thank you
Amazing work! Thanks legend
I love the new format!
Amazing work! Love it, thank you very much ❤
Aaa glad you like it! ❤️
amazing work! thank you so much for being so pedantic!
what about groups? i really miss a good groups judging 😅
Coming soon! (only 5 hoops final though I fear time will be missing for the rest)
Wow! This is very insightful! Thank you for this.😊
I love this format! it's clear and really cute :D
Yay, thank you! :D
Good bless you🙏🏻❤️
Thank you so much Maja ❤️❤️
Love It! So intresting!More please ❤😍😍😍
Hi! Went back to this video and thought. Can 0:49 be considered as an effect? The rolls fit the music perfectly
I hope to see this in the other finals.
THE DAY HAS COME
Wow, this is an amazing amount of work here! the new layout is amazing, very clear!
On a side note, for some of the dance steps, I would have stopped counting earlier as including ADs in them breaks the character
Otherwise, I mostly agree on your analysis, thank you for providing it!
Thank you so much ❤️❤️
For Dance steps, I'm torn apart, because the instructions were quite harsh early 2022, but I feel they have lowered a bit last year and this year again (some examples showed as if the DA somehow shows a tiny bit a character, it's okay).
Which dance steps would you have not taken into account? Because taking the definition stricto sensu I see many as well... (Raffaeli 2nd with the roll between the legs, Vedeneeva kinda ?...)
thanks for a lot❤, please next clubs and ball,
Now, honestly from where do they get those high ass points??
Honestly, when judging live, this is quite normal. As a judge you have a lot to focus on and some details always slip away. I'd say for this final, there is no big mistakes from the judges (maybe A judges are more to criticize, but again, they have a lot to focus on).
Thanks! ❤
And also I feel you were quite harsh with the effect. I felt like there definitely was an effect in at least 4 out of the 6 dances. But I love these videos so so much!! Really awesome and amazing ❤❤
Where do you see those effect, I'd be very curious ?
I tend to avoid looking for effect in dance steps because the code says dance steps having dance steps matching the music is basic requirement, not something special (7.1.3.), but sometimes it's true that a moment stands out so much it's impossible not to see them as effect (I would take Kaleyn's ball 2nd dance steps for example).
And thank you for your kind comment ❤❤
Okay I'll add mine that I saw:
*Boryana - None
*Margarita - 3:06
*Fanni - 5:00
*Sofia- The effect you had
* Darja - 8:58
* Ekaterina - None
Let me know if you agree. An effect has to be outside of dance steps and these ones were
@@mariesargymnast4912
The darja’s one is obviously an effect but there’s no reason to count that after she already did one. The others are missing a bit of uniqueness imo, but you can count them (and the judges probably did)
Fanni also could’ve had an effect in 4:38 but it wasn’t on time ):
@@Ldvsuzinemsjiznd what is Darja's other effect? I didn't see another one. And yes I was also thinking of that part for Fanni but she missed the beat of it on that particular day.
@@mariesargymnast4912
8:54
Sorry But darja is def doing two complete Rotations under her risks I think that scoring was really harsh…
I can understand. The angle can change much and sometimes, rotations angles can make everything look different. Plus, how to count full rotation is sometimes a bit loose by FIG (think cartwheel to vertical rotation, or like in Raffaeli's case in which she overlaps two rotations with different axis). So I agree I was quite harsh in here for Varfolomeev and Raffaeli.
Removing 1.7 point from the routine make it indeed drop it a lot compare to other gymnasts with lesser risk problem. Otherwise this woul dcurrently place it in silver.
Amazing work!!!! And many ❤❤❤for Sofia's hoop, I will miss this routine 😊
Can't Darja Varfolomeev's AD with the foot in her dance steps be counted as a small bounce or push on the floor instead of a rotation around axis base?
It would still be missing criteria, as you need two criteria on one action (push on the floor). Also there is push from the body, but bounce or push from the floor aren't DA base for hoop (which is unfrotunate, because many cool DA could be done!)
Isn't if still without sight in rotation (I know the rotation wasn't done properly, but if it were. Would it count?
@@mariesargymnast4912 Yes, if the rotation started before she catches I would have count it: small throw and catch (sight / rotation) 0.2
The format was a lot of information at first but I got used to it and you can choose to pause and only look at one section. If darja and vedeneeva can’t hold balances for one second, who can haha?
Yes, I fear the mass of information would be overwhelming and pausing coul dbe quite annoying (is text duration not too short), I tried to reduced it as much as possible, while still being quite complete. So, thank you for clearing my concerns with it 😅
Yes, Varfolomeev and Vedeneeva are probably the one coming the closest (Vedeneeva even succeed it with that backscale in front of the carpet while catching that hoop!)...but the code says one second so 😔
But in the end, everyone is around 4-5 balances with -0.3, so it's not really a deal-breaker for the gymnasts in this review, even though the E-score are super low (which make it looks like the routine was riddled with mistakes!)
Can you please judge some of the Russian nationals? With the new cop it is si difficult to compare
Unfortunatly I have very little knowledge of the russian code, so I will step out from this one.
@@ClematisRGVideos oh how sad :( thanks for the answer though, I really appreciate it!!
Hello, is it possible to make an independent assessment of the exercises or a review of the exercise, private. Thanks in advance for your reply
Yes of course, please do not hesitate to dm me on instagram.
Пожалуйста, можно разбор Стиляны с мячом, на кубке мира 2024 14 апреля 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Will you also review the individual all around finals?
Unfortunatly I fear not. I started it a bit for several gymnasts, only doing a first draft on Difficulty only. All I can say is that Varfolomeev and Raffaeli were still 1 and 2, but Atamanov was dropping a bit.
@@ClematisRGVideos ah! Pity! The ribbon from Sofia's all around final really made me super emotional. I found it quite special and was hoping to see your reviw of it. But hey! That's life! 😊
@@RosalieLamorliereIndeed!
Just because you used Arcane 's music you deserve a like 😎
rumors will say I made those reviews just to use this music as intro 😌
Please ... A request to upper level gymnasts, can you consider using these two songs by Dave Grusin "An Actors Life" and "Number 8" . Those tunes will make beautiful routines.
Why Stiliana isn't included?
I only focused on the top 6 from each final. That's why Bautista isn't there either.
Still wondering why you didnt do a analysis of tokyo 2020 top 3, top 8 hmmmmmm
I did actually, just there ua-cam.com/video/nr2cs9JolW0/v-deo.html ;)
@@ClematisRGVideosanalysis or recap/summary? Thats diff.
@@johnalamariz2491yes of course: I got the same podium. The main changes concern Kaleyn who had in my opinion several underotated pivots making her drop in position (as well as Salos and Zelikman, but for others reason, one being due to mistakes and the other one to lower difficulty) whereas Onopriienko got higher as well as Baldassarri, due to the previous gymnasts dropping in ranking and thanks to their good execution and difficulty.
So the judging will just 100% be predetermined always based on the influence pedaling of who’s getting checked marked for invalid elements and deductions ignored 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Sure influence can happen (Artistry), but also, judging live just a limit that cannot be reduced: human body. I know it probably sound awful because in the end there are medals, results, money and funds for the gymnasts, but some judges cannot always do their best despite wanting to. I can't even with one video. Getting the most accurate scoring would means multiple camera angles and accurate system to measure elements (at least for Difficulty and a part of Execution). Which is not what we have so far, so obviously there is going to be mistakes (intentionnal or not).
que mal trasmisión con mucho letrero , horrible competencia asi de esa manera
¿qué no le gustó?
Genial lo que has hecho. Felicitaciones y muchas gracias!!!
💕de nada, el placer es mío!!!