The only nuclear bomber which flew real bomb runs was the B-29 over Japan '45. The Hustler was never used with conventional bombs, different to the B-52 or later aircraft like the B-1.
I remember when Chet Huntley used to smoke while giving the news on TV. Ain't kiddin times have changed. Personally I liked these days better than today. At least we knew who the enemy was.
Fabin nistic Yep, now-a-days I have to quote the old comic strip character "Pogo" he says "We have met the enemy and he is us"As a kid I thought sonic booms were cool.
My father was an RCAF Wing Commander. He commanded a radar station and served on the Northern NORAD battle staff in the late sixties. He told me that the B-58 was the one bomber that gave them problems during exercises.
I still think that to this day, the B-58 is a Beautiful Airplane. I also think that in its day in low altitude or high altitude, the B-58 was the fastest bomber in the world. How i wish that I could have been a pilot.
Usually delta wings are little flexible, making them not the best choice for extreme low level flying. Later aircraft for this job, like the B-1 or the smaller European Tornado had swept wings, this wings are more flexible and better suited for low level flying. When the B-58 was developed it was planned to use it for high altitude flying, SAMs later forced it to fly low level, for which it was not originally made. It's a beautiful, very sleek aircraft, and very fast. Unfortunately 20 % of the aircraft built crashed during service time, and it had high maintenance costs.
Back in the day, I heard some pilots who had been around to know comment on the B-58. All of them loved it in the air; but they said it could be a real widow-maker on approach. The T-38 was the same way; keeping the speed up on approach ensured that you got to land.
I was in elementary school during the 60's, we lived near Lake Erie in NE Ohio. We heard sonic booms frequently but dont remember any talk of broken windows or other damage from them. The first model plane I purchased was a B-58. I got it because of the delta wing configuration. Bought it from a Lawson's store.
@@coiledsteel8344I have researched it and DO know broken window were sometimes a result of sonic booms. Not always but occasionally. I never said broken windows didnt happen, it just wasn't reported in the area where my family lived. Wanna challenge me on anything else?
I remember the sonic booms over Kansas when I was a kid - the thunder from a clear blue sky was unnerving at first but Dad showed me that it was only an airplane so I got used to it. They made the knick-knacks in my Grandma's curio cabinet dance around.
Look at the 31 year old bombardier , a captain , 31 years old, but his face looks like he is in his late 50's. Working for General LeMay was stressful!
The B-58 was (and still is) a very fond memory if my Jr. High thru Air Force active duty years. The title calls this propaganda ... but it's pretty much as it was in the 1960's and 70's. One little authentic detail that cracked me up was the pilots paying for their box lunches ... I ate a few of those while on alert and all I can say is .. netter than C-Rats.
Consumed my life time limit of c rats while fighting fires in Idaho and Montana in the 70's. Always told they were left overs from the Korean war. Do believe they had a 100yr shelf life, so essentially, still fresh as a loaf of last weeks Wonder Bread. 😂
At 40,000 feet, these guys were destroyed by BOMARC missiles from North Bay (RCAF) or Niagara Falls (USAF) or by CF-101 out of North Bay or F-102/F-106 from Niagara Falls or Syracuse. Hard to catch at 1,270 MPH but doable as a head shot with the BOMARC. A bit tricky for a fighter but that is why the AIR-2 GENIE had a small nuke.
The pilots would get paid a "Basic allowance, subsistance". Which means they get a food allotment but they have to use some of that money when they eat at the chowhall or draw rations. MREs and any other field chow was taken out of my check back in the day.
Robert G tell me Robert , we're you more Freightened then or now ? Fear is the meat on the table . So let's just spend ourselves into bankruptcy so that you can feel safe .
There's a lot of truth in that "propaganda" film. Particularly th part about the public having the will to use deterence....something that's lacking in at least 51% of the population today. BTW, I had an instructor that fly the B-58 out of what is now Grissom AFB. He had nothing but praise for the aircraft.
That "war alert actions book" looks interesting, didn't find any listed on ebay. I found Zazzle sells a 3-ring binder complete with SAC insignia and TS note. A review said his wife uses it to keep her coupons organized. Another uses it for recipes. Hey, a Cold War spinoff. I talked with a former USAF maintenance airman, he said each B58 was different unlike other aircraft models. Which made maintenance really difficult.
Remember the Hustlers very well flying overhead northern Mississippi with a contrail far above and a huge sonic boom soon after. That bird could scoot and boot!
You're right about the 104 being nicknamed "the lawn dart", however I was stationed at Carswell AFB and several pilots who went into BUFF's told me that the 58 was nicknamed "the widowmaker. An extremely unforgiving craft.
The military did not intentionally allow their planes to exceed the mach, but sometimes, especially in the '60s, they did, each of which brought about a horde of lawsuits for broken windows, getting the pilot into trouble. A sonic boom transmits a very small amount of overpressure, but that little bit can break an improperly installed pane. Returning space shuttles transmit a double sonic boom spaced a small fraction of a second apart. I heard one of those while in a hotel in LA years ago.
Only "airliner" fast enough to generate a 'sonic boom' was the Concorde and it was speed restricted over populated areas. Probably gave some cruise shipps a hell of thrill.
B-58 crews knew that if "the balloon" went up, and they were ordered to perform the nuclear strike mission, that it was almost certainly a one-way trip. B-58s forward-staged in England and other bases in Europe had only one entry - near treetop level at or near Mach. The chances of performing the full mission profile were mitigated by intense Soviet air defenses - AAA, SAMs, and interceptor aircraft. If these B-58s could make it to target, they then had to exit the Soviet Union - not likely
How vastly different our world is now. Or maybe it isn't. This war room is totally different now-no board on the wall probably. I was born when they made this thing and 20 years later served in SAC also. Still have the patch, and the memories, that's good enough.
I remember hearing these sonic booms over my house in southern California in the 1950s when I was a little kid. You could also feel it, BLAM!, and would scare my mom and rattle the windows, break them sometimes. People complained about it and years later the Booms went away. That Sac Big Board, who comes up with this stuff? I like the SAC song at the end, "Peace is our Profession"
They worked hard to sell the "necessity" for sonic booms, but failed. The USA wouldn't even allow peaceful supersonic flights of Concorde over the USA. The booms weren't that bad. I lived with them in the late 40's and 50's. People reacted just like in the film. Nothing to "write home" about. I grew up 7 miles from a SAC base and as a 10 year old awoke most mornings to the whine of SAC bomber engines running up. It was the sound of a great country protecting its future. What is that sound today?
Ron D'Eau Claire I'm an American, I'm sorry! Take advantage of our Welfare System, provided by the taxpayers who are stupid enough to still try to work!
growing up in the cold war this film made me laugh.the B-58 is very cool bomber.i do not remember hearing a lot of sonic booms.growing up in Oregon,doubt they even noticed us on the map.i do remember being told if the bomb/missles alarm went off we were to get under our desk and protect our neck etc in a certain position.laughs.also for earth quakes.now,if you were in the hall way you had to just find the nearest door frame and brace your self.and yeah we had to watch lots of nuke films in class
Bunker Hill AFB 1966-67, weapons 462. I loaded nuclear weapons on this great aircraft. The alert aircraft never took off, just throttled up down the runway. We new if a fully loaded one ever took off it could be the end of man. Sitting at the head of the runway when regular flights took off was one of the best memories of my aircraft time in the AF. The thunder of 4 engines kicking in the after burners on take off would almost shake me out of my case tractor seat. My years since the AF, most people still have never heard of the B-58...
The B 58 Hustler was and remains today the coolest and most impressive bomber that has ever been created. Admittedly, I may be prejudiced in favor of this aircraft as it was conceived and built and served and was withdrawn from service all during my lifetime.
surprisingly honest about the warning radar. Overdriven audio links. Did they actually have something else than speed, initiative and number to penetrate?
A BALLISTIC missile cant be stopped!!!! What ever happened to A SELF DESTRUCT BUTTON!!! MISSILES LAUNCHING SATELLITES INTO SPACE HAVE A SELF DESTRUCT BUTTON!!!
Back in the late 60 as a small kid we lived in Central inland ca. I think there was 3 airforce bases around us. I enjoyed going to one of the bases and watching the huge B-52s land. While at home we watched many rockets they where easy to see with there bright flame not sure what kind they where. I just assumed they where heading out to sea being they where going mostly western direction. If anyone knows about them would love to here from you. I know now we had many rocket sites around that area/bases.
My dad was the quality control person for the power supply in the B58. He got to see the first production models at Edwards AFB. I saw one in static display at Andrews AFB in the 70’s.
A whole lot people have mentioned how the crew looks way older than their actual ages. It seems as if none of the commentators actually flew a combat aircraft where you had to wear a rubber face mask. Let me tell you something, if you had 10,000 hours in a combat aircraft, your face will look about 20 years older than it is too! They were made of neoprene and rubber-like substance which Most flyers seem to be allergic to and they come back with your faces all bloated and puffy and with red blotches all over them, me included. About the closest thing to a B 58 in terms of scoot and shoot was the aardvark. General dynamics F111 was capable of supersonic flight without afterburner, we called it super cruising, very few combat aircraft are capable of that. Although I like the 58, it wasn’t a very useful aircraft unless you were caring a B 61 Because there were no hard points on any of the wings, all the ordinance was in board. At least on the F111 we had hard points. As for the discussion on sonic boom‘s, my suspicion is that most of you who had some opinion or comment have never actually heard a sonic boom in your entire life. They were quite obnoxious and would break things. It was the death of the Concorde, one flew into Dallas Fort Worth for the opening of DFW but that was the only time a Conchords flu in the continental United States, they were limited to Fairfield within 50 miles of the coast
That training mission takes the aircraft through the Pinetree Line radars as well as the mid-Canada line. They pass through what was then the Northern NORAD region (HQ North Bay, Ontario) and south into the US, passing through a USAF region which had a SAGE site in Syracuse, NY. Fun for the boys on the scopes.
Make no mistake the 58 was a major weapons system that anyone hostile to this country HAD to think CAREFULLY about. Great toward thinking design Problem was, Convair was not a really major firm and didn't have the lobbyists And the (ahem) campaign contributions like say, General Dynamics et all... My father worked on the ground following radar systems. Hey, remember when the 1958 Buick ads were depicting the Electra Or was it the roadmaster as the B-58 Buicks?!!! It was the real America then......
ERIC BRAMMER Started as Consolidated Aircraft Company at New York, moved to San Diego, merged with Vultee and became Consolidated Vultee. On 1 March 1954 the company was sold to General Dynamics and became "Convair - a Division of General Dynamics". It was never simply "Convair".
AV, thanks for the clarification. That company's name-changes always added to confusion as to just what to call some of their 'tweener' airframes,when names over-lapped. The Sea-Dart would be an example...
Cindy S. : Madam, I have no idea who you are, or where you've been getting your information, but, in every respect, you are full of shit. ConVair was funded by ATLAS Holdings, You don't get bigger than that. Further, ConVair was the result of a merger of TWO very large aircraft design and manufacturer : Consolidated, and Vultee Aircraft. Consolidated made the B-24 Liberator bomber, and the lesser known B - 32 Dominator. Their largest plant, was in Fort Worth, Texas. The building was so large, it made it's own weather. Also, ConVair made the largest piston engine aircraft in the United States, the B - 36 ten engine bomber. As well the YB-60 jet powered version of the B - 36. So, I don't know where the Hell you get your information, but General Dynamics was ConVair. Next time, I suggest you get your facts straight. The B - 58 was discontinued to route money to the Polaris, Titan, and Minuteman programs. NOW.....you have the straight story.
Not really so surprising. They were selling bombers as a necessity: "our radar is so primitive, that ICBMs are not adequately safe to replace bombers. We still need bombers" This was, after all, a movie made to SELL this bomber.
@mark 24:50: "The most important of all ingredients, in the deterrent concept, is the one provided by the people - the will." (The will to defend ourselves.) "For the enemy will not be deterred by all the planes, missiles, bombs and men in the world, if he thinks we are lacking in the will to use them!" ...and that is why we have terrorism today! We lack the will to fight them all out! - and they know it.
Flightline box lunches. Cheap calories you bought out of your own pocket. If more fortunate, the venerable Roach Coach routinely stopped nearby. Makes me wonder if any crewman took RC Gut-Bombs aboard during a mission. WHIFF!!
The man on the street c. 1960 thought that the Soviets could drop a bomb from Sputnik. So did most of our politicians. There were many editorials expressing outrage and fear that we were sleeping under a "Soviet Moon."
just plain wow. To think people "trusted" the Huntley-Brinkley report... mere salesmen for the military-industrial complex. I can't remember but I'd imagine replacement window companies were among the advertisers...
It was a pretty useless plane one it was put into operation, the fuel consumption was astronomical in them. That thing under the fuselage is not the bomb, it is a fuel tank just to give it any range at all. Fully loaded and armed, it wasn't much faster than a B-52 and the advent of SAM missile defenses meant it had to fly low to avoid radar and that cut it's range down even further and no supersonic flight. It was a high performance and expensive airplane suddenly without a mission.
High altitude bombers were out in the 60's , low level strike along with icbm the new strategy, a new role the 52 couldn't handle so enter the Rockwell B1
. This plane's life was just too short. To hear the drivers of this beast tell it, this plane was nothing but a royal pain to live in after a few hours. Those crewmen were just that short of going into heavy case of PDS. I still love it and stop anytime to marvel over a static display. Visit the Air Force Museum in Dayton OH. 051113.
You comparing the 1960 to 2020. What fool would do that? You can call a aircraft back, but you can not call a missile back. Think about this very hard before you answer.
Mr AVhistorybuff, this was an informational film for American distribution. This would never have been shown behind the iron curtain......LOL Propaganda just another word for information, it just depends on how you tailor it for your audience.
I grew up near MacDill AFB in Florida during the Cuban missile crisis. Sonic booms and F-100s at treetop level were commonplace. Being a kid, I thought that was normal!
You should study the meaning of "propaganda". It can be either truth or fiction and is intended to change the mindset of an opponent (or, sometimes a friend). It is a much better alternative to war.
It's propaganda-like in the sense that its real purpose seems to be to get the public to accept the annoyance of sonic booms, rather than to explain the Hustler.
The B58 Hustler never dropped a single bomb in anger. I guess that is how deterrence works.
Beautiful Airplane.
The only nuclear bomber which flew real bomb runs was the B-29 over Japan '45.
The Hustler was never used with conventional bombs, different to the B-52 or later aircraft like the B-1.
The B-58 has always been my favorite as long as I can remember. It looks like it was built just to kick ass.
Encyclopedias used to have the "A" book the airplane sect had B-58 it was my favorite as well!.
I remember when Chet Huntley used to smoke while giving the news on TV. Ain't kiddin times have changed. Personally I liked these days better than today. At least we knew who the enemy was.
Fabin nistic Yep, now-a-days I have to quote the old comic strip character "Pogo" he says "We have met the enemy and he is us"As a kid I thought sonic booms were cool.
Ash trays meant you were thinking.
Yeah; and he died an early death from lung cancer.
Ditto.
My father was an RCAF Wing Commander. He commanded a radar station and served on the Northern NORAD battle staff in the late sixties. He told me that the B-58 was the one bomber that gave them problems during exercises.
I still think that to this day, the B-58 is a Beautiful Airplane. I also think that in its day in low altitude or high altitude, the B-58 was the fastest bomber in the world. How i wish that I could have been a pilot.
Everything I've read says it was a rough ride.
Usually delta wings are little flexible, making them not the best choice for extreme low level flying. Later aircraft for this job, like the B-1 or the smaller European Tornado had swept wings, this wings are more flexible and better suited for low level flying.
When the B-58 was developed it was planned to use it for high altitude flying, SAMs later forced it to fly low level, for which it was not originally made.
It's a beautiful, very sleek aircraft, and very fast. Unfortunately 20 % of the aircraft built crashed during service time, and it had high maintenance costs.
@@tacticalmattfoley I have seen various videos of pilots talking of how much they love the B-58??.
Back in the day, I heard some pilots who had been around to know comment on the B-58. All of them loved it in the air; but they said it could be a real widow-maker on approach. The T-38 was the same way; keeping the speed up on approach ensured that you got to land.
I was in elementary school during the 60's, we lived near Lake Erie in NE Ohio. We heard sonic booms frequently but dont remember any talk of broken windows or other damage from them. The first model plane I purchased was a B-58. I got it because of the delta wing configuration. Bought it from a Lawson's store.
jlc55army - Research MORE! @ Lower altitude Booms DID break windows, and restricted by late 1960s
@@coiledsteel8344I have researched it and DO know broken window were sometimes a result of sonic booms. Not always but occasionally. I never said broken windows didnt happen, it just wasn't reported in the area where my family lived. Wanna challenge me on anything else?
I remember the sonic booms over Kansas when I was a kid - the thunder from a clear blue sky was unnerving at first but Dad showed me that it was only an airplane so I got used to it. They made the knick-knacks in my Grandma's curio cabinet dance around.
In the early 1960s here (Texas) I'd sometimes notice a rapidly-advancing contrail and knew that a B-58 sonic boom would soon arrive.
Maybe so but glad we have them!.
Look at the 31 year old bombardier , a captain , 31 years old, but his face looks like he is in his late 50's. Working for General LeMay was stressful!
So I heard
Cigarettes
They were still telling Tales of LeMay when I was in an AF tech school in 1974.
With our birds of steel at hand, the Strategic Air Command...Peace is our profession!
Yeah, peace is our profession. Bombing is just a hobby.
6:37 Did that guy on the second row from the right just salute to the camera during scramble alert ? lol
The B-58 was (and still is) a very fond memory if my Jr. High thru Air Force active duty years. The title calls this propaganda ... but it's pretty much as it was in the 1960's and 70's. One little authentic detail that cracked me up was the pilots paying for their box lunches ... I ate a few of those while on alert and all I can say is .. netter than C-Rats.
Consumed my life time limit of c rats while fighting fires in Idaho and Montana in the 70's. Always told they were left overs from the Korean war. Do believe they had a 100yr shelf life, so essentially, still fresh as a loaf of last weeks Wonder Bread. 😂
At 40,000 feet, these guys were destroyed by BOMARC missiles from North Bay (RCAF) or Niagara Falls (USAF) or by CF-101 out of North Bay or F-102/F-106 from Niagara Falls or Syracuse. Hard to catch at 1,270 MPH but doable as a head shot with the BOMARC. A bit tricky for a fighter but that is why the AIR-2 GENIE had a small nuke.
The pilots would get paid a "Basic allowance, subsistance". Which means they get a food allotment but they have to use some of that money when they eat at the chowhall or draw rations. MREs and any other field chow was taken out of my check back in the day.
"The Matador ... the matador!"
What a great country we used to be.
ITS BACK>.............MAGA
Robert G tell me Robert , we're you more Freightened then or now ? Fear is the meat on the table . So let's just spend ourselves into bankruptcy so that you can feel safe .
The Greenman you need to get out and meet more people .
The Greenman most people " swim in small circles " I know that I do .
The Greenman Young, Hip, Artist, and Probably a Bernie Sanders Supporter.
There's a lot of truth in that "propaganda" film. Particularly th part about the public having the will to use deterence....something that's lacking in at least 51% of the population today.
BTW, I had an instructor that fly the B-58 out of what is now Grissom AFB. He had nothing but praise for the aircraft.
If you enjoyed everything from rapid development of technology to great spy thrillers, then the Cold War was the era for you.
That "war alert actions book" looks interesting, didn't find any listed on ebay. I found Zazzle sells a 3-ring binder complete with SAC insignia and TS note. A review said his wife uses it to keep her coupons organized. Another uses it for recipes. Hey, a Cold War spinoff. I talked with a former USAF maintenance airman, he said each B58 was different unlike other aircraft models. Which made maintenance really difficult.
i love the jaunty song at the end
Remember the Hustlers very well flying overhead northern Mississippi with a contrail far above and a huge sonic boom soon after. That bird could scoot and boot!
Wow, that B-58 is exactly what I saw around 1962 as part of my older brother's Model Plane collection . I didn't know it was an actual Jet in use.
You're right about the 104 being nicknamed "the lawn dart", however I was stationed at Carswell AFB and several pilots who went into BUFF's told me that the 58 was nicknamed "the widowmaker. An extremely unforgiving craft.
The military did not intentionally allow their planes to exceed the mach, but sometimes, especially in the '60s, they did, each of which brought about a horde of lawsuits for broken windows, getting the pilot into trouble. A sonic boom transmits a very small amount of overpressure, but that little bit can break an improperly installed pane. Returning space shuttles transmit a double sonic boom spaced a small fraction of a second apart. I heard one of those while in a hotel in LA years ago.
Sabra BULLSHIT
This is complete fabrication.
Only "airliner" fast enough to generate a 'sonic boom' was the Concorde and it was speed restricted over populated areas. Probably gave some cruise shipps a hell of thrill.
It has worked for almost 70 years.....
Another chapter in America's secret war on Massachusetts.
B-58 crews knew that if "the balloon" went up, and they were ordered to perform the nuclear strike mission, that it was almost certainly a one-way trip. B-58s forward-staged in England and other bases in Europe had only one entry - near treetop level at or near Mach. The chances of performing the full mission profile were mitigated by intense Soviet air defenses - AAA, SAMs, and interceptor aircraft. If these B-58s could make it to target, they then had to exit the Soviet Union - not likely
How vastly different our world is now. Or maybe it isn't. This war room is totally different now-no board on the wall probably. I was born when they made this thing and 20 years later served in SAC also. Still have the patch, and the memories, that's good enough.
There have been several aeroplanes that have earned that nickname, in several languages. An earlier example is the B-26 Martin Marauder WWII bomber.
I think the fighter weapons course was still being taught at CFB Chatham at that time. The CF-5 was supersonic.
I remember hearing these sonic booms over my house in southern California in the 1950s when I was a little kid. You could also feel it, BLAM!, and would scare my mom and rattle the windows, break them sometimes. People complained about it and years later the Booms went away. That Sac Big Board, who comes up with this stuff? I like the SAC song at the end, "Peace is our Profession"
As to the shot of Niagara Falls at 1L08 - I lived in the Falls throughout the 1950's and 60's and never once heard any such sonic boom.
They didn't always fly over Mach one. In fact, most of the time they didn't.
We lived in a major city I never heard that either.
I remember that plane very well.I used to hang around that plane a lot.It was on the way to the front gate.
They worked hard to sell the "necessity" for sonic booms, but failed. The USA wouldn't even allow peaceful supersonic flights of Concorde over the USA. The booms weren't that bad. I lived with them in the late 40's and 50's. People reacted just like in the film. Nothing to "write home" about. I grew up 7 miles from a SAC base and as a 10 year old awoke most mornings to the whine of SAC bomber engines running up. It was the sound of a great country protecting its future. What is that sound today?
Ron D'Eau Claire the sound of today is the cry of Obama apologizing to communist country's in 8 different languages, I'm sorry so sorry.
i remember sonic booms now and then as a kid in Rhode Island. Nothing much. It broke up what in general were pretty boring summer days
Ron D'Eau Claire I'm an American, I'm sorry! Take advantage of our Welfare System, provided by the taxpayers who are stupid enough to still try to work!
growing up in the cold war this film made me laugh.the B-58 is very cool bomber.i do not remember hearing a lot of sonic booms.growing up in Oregon,doubt they even noticed us on the map.i do remember being told if the bomb/missles alarm went off we were to get under our desk and protect our neck etc in a certain position.laughs.also for earth quakes.now,if you were in the hall way you had to just find the nearest door frame and brace your self.and yeah we had to watch lots of nuke films in class
Bunker Hill AFB 1966-67, weapons 462. I loaded nuclear weapons on this great aircraft. The alert aircraft never took off, just throttled up down the runway. We new if a fully loaded one ever took off it could be the end of man. Sitting at the head of the runway when regular flights took off was one of the best memories of my aircraft time in the AF. The thunder of 4 engines kicking in the after burners on take off would almost shake me out of my case tractor seat. My years since the AF, most people still have never heard of the B-58...
There's a reason the B-58 was nicknamed "The Widowmaker".
We had sonic booms over Maine back in the day.
It felt like victory to kid like me.
The B 58 Hustler was and remains today the coolest and most impressive bomber that has ever been created. Admittedly, I may be prejudiced in favor of this aircraft as it was conceived and built and served and was withdrawn from service all during my lifetime.
surprisingly honest about the warning radar. Overdriven audio links. Did they actually have something else than speed, initiative and number to penetrate?
I remember sonic booms when I was a kid. They were not really annoying, kind of cool actually.
A BALLISTIC missile cant be stopped!!!!
What ever happened to A
SELF DESTRUCT BUTTON!!!
MISSILES LAUNCHING SATELLITES INTO SPACE HAVE A SELF DESTRUCT BUTTON!!!
Back in the late 60 as a small kid we lived in Central inland ca. I think there was 3 airforce bases around us. I enjoyed going to one of the bases and watching the huge B-52s land.
While at home we watched many rockets they where easy to see with there bright flame not sure what kind they where.
I just assumed they where heading out to sea being they where going mostly western direction.
If anyone knows about them would love to here from you.
I know now we had many rocket sites around that area/bases.
My dad's first assignment was in these.
My dad was the quality control person for the power supply in the B58. He got to see the first production models at Edwards AFB. I saw one in static display at Andrews AFB in the 70’s.
These where the MAD times..Mutually Assured Destruction" and mad in other ways as well.
A whole lot people have mentioned how the crew looks way older than their actual ages. It seems as if none of the commentators actually flew a combat aircraft where you had to wear a rubber face mask. Let me tell you something, if you had 10,000 hours in a combat aircraft, your face will look about 20 years older than it is too! They were made of neoprene and rubber-like substance which Most flyers seem to be allergic to and they come back with your faces all bloated and puffy and with red blotches all over them, me included. About the closest thing to a B 58 in terms of scoot and shoot was the aardvark. General dynamics F111 was capable of supersonic flight without afterburner, we called it super cruising, very few combat aircraft are capable of that. Although I like the 58, it wasn’t a very useful aircraft unless you were caring a B 61 Because there were no hard points on any of the wings, all the ordinance was in board. At least on the F111 we had hard points. As for the discussion on sonic boom‘s, my suspicion is that most of you who had some opinion or comment have never actually heard a sonic boom in your entire life. They were quite obnoxious and would break things. It was the death of the Concorde, one flew into Dallas Fort Worth for the opening of DFW but that was the only time a Conchords flu in the continental United States, they were limited to Fairfield within 50 miles of the coast
That training mission takes the aircraft through the Pinetree Line radars as well as the mid-Canada line. They pass through what was then the Northern NORAD region (HQ North Bay, Ontario) and south into the US, passing through a USAF region which had a SAGE site in Syracuse, NY. Fun for the boys on the scopes.
Make no mistake the 58 was a major weapons system that anyone hostile to this country HAD to think CAREFULLY about. Great toward thinking design
Problem was, Convair was not a really major firm and didn't have the lobbyists
And the (ahem) campaign contributions like say, General Dynamics et all...
My father worked on the ground following radar systems.
Hey, remember when the 1958 Buick ads were depicting the Electra
Or was it the roadmaster as the B-58 Buicks?!!!
It was the real America then......
Well, actually, 'Convair' became 'General Dynamics' in 1961...
ERIC BRAMMER Started as Consolidated Aircraft Company at New York, moved to San Diego, merged with Vultee and became Consolidated Vultee. On 1 March 1954 the company was sold to General Dynamics and became "Convair - a Division of General Dynamics". It was never simply "Convair".
AV, thanks for the clarification. That company's name-changes always added to confusion as to just what to call some of their 'tweener' airframes,when names over-lapped. The Sea-Dart would be an example...
Cindy S. : Madam, I have no idea who you are, or where you've been getting your information,
but, in every respect, you are full of shit. ConVair was funded by ATLAS Holdings, You
don't get bigger than that. Further, ConVair was the result of a merger of TWO very large
aircraft design and manufacturer : Consolidated, and Vultee Aircraft. Consolidated made the
B-24 Liberator bomber, and the lesser known B - 32 Dominator. Their largest plant, was
in Fort Worth, Texas. The building was so large, it made it's own weather. Also, ConVair made the largest piston engine aircraft in the United States, the B - 36 ten engine bomber. As well the YB-60 jet powered version of the B - 36. So, I don't know where the Hell you get your information,
but General Dynamics was ConVair. Next time, I suggest you get your facts straight. The B - 58 was discontinued to route money to the Polaris, Titan, and Minuteman programs. NOW.....you have the straight story.
Pal, she didn't clarify anything. Read my narrative above. Then, you will have the
REAL shit. Thanks.
7:07 hahaomg that polluting exhaust looks almost as environmentally hostile as the nuclear shroom cloud :P
Not really so surprising. They were selling bombers as a necessity: "our radar is so primitive, that ICBMs are not adequately safe to replace bombers. We still need bombers" This was, after all, a movie made to SELL this bomber.
Wish we had that bird now with new engines.beautiful bird my favorite
SAC, please come back. I recall those booms in the suburbs of Chicago in the early 60's from B-58's out of Bunker Hill AFB.
Fascinating video, thanks for posting it. Always loved the look of the B-58.
IDoes that flight path cut across Canadian airspace?
Goodnight Chet---Goodnight David.
@mark 24:50: "The most important of all ingredients, in the deterrent concept, is the one provided by the people - the will." (The will to defend ourselves.) "For the enemy will not be deterred by all the planes, missiles, bombs and men in the world, if he thinks we are lacking in the will to use them!" ...and that is why we have terrorism today! We lack the will to fight them all out! - and they know it.
We use it when we can find them.
"Drapes? You don't need drapes! Use Microsoft Windows ."
25:54 What's up with that song?
Sing along with Mitch...if you don't know what that means, you're just a youngster...lol.
Joe Huettl Child of the 70's, so this IS before my time. Do you mind explaining? Thanks for your reply.
It was glued together.
This is the reality that those who fail to recognize.
Yep, a reality made from lies.
orange70383 Better to prepare for response never need than never have response for need.
Orange, what are the lies you mention?
Citizen_1: You hear that boom
Citizen_2: Relax, its just the b-58, creating a sonic boom
*NOPE*
Its the U-2, A-12 Oxcart and later SR-71
lol
Harri v'Jah the U2 was subsonic
Harri v'Jah - No, you'd never see or hear the SR-71. Some of It's exact specifications are still classified!
@@patrickwhitehead9931 You beat me to that info. lol
I bet the residents of that small town really love being awakened at 8 am on a Saturday morning.
we sure did turn out some compelling propaganda
16:49 authentic cold war sandwiches
Cold ham n cheese
Flightline box lunches. Cheap calories you bought out of your own pocket. If more fortunate, the venerable Roach Coach routinely stopped nearby. Makes me wonder if any crewman took RC Gut-Bombs aboard during a mission. WHIFF!!
I find it astonishing that these airmen were required to purchase their own “suppers” as they burned through thousands of pounds of fuel. So weird.
Fail Safe?
superspit - Excellent 👍😁 features B-58.
Thanks for the look into our past were still free because of them lets hope our military keeps to this idea
We did not learn to live with 'it' and we lived.
The Vindicator bomber......”The Matador......The Matador!!!”
es elmejor apesar es un clasico documental del bombardreoms avanzado en su tiempo
y que dejo sin alweento al mundo el B 58 HUSTILER
Chet?
i think this film was more to remove fear from the hearts of US citizens. The Soviets had satellite images to get scared the shit out of.
This was produced a couple years before the Ruskies had photoreconnaissance satellites.
The man on the street c. 1960 thought that the Soviets could drop a bomb from Sputnik. So did most of our politicians. There were many editorials expressing outrage and fear that we were sleeping under a "Soviet Moon."
Dem sammitiches looked pretty good.
:16 - "A Pony Express rider has been replaced with telephone wipes."
just plain wow. To think people "trusted" the Huntley-Brinkley report... mere salesmen for the military-industrial complex. I can't remember but I'd imagine replacement window companies were among the advertisers...
The real wow is how you have been co-opted by NEA indoctrination and the Democratic propaganda machine known as the "mainstream" media.
I remember as a kid we would be sitting in school when all of a sudden, BOOM!, then you would here the sound of the jet.
metalrod23 - At lower altitude, booms would break windows.
Same engine, wrong aircraft. The F-104 was the Widowmaker. aka "lawn dart".
@ 7:06 that is one big crop duster
It was a pretty useless plane one it was put into operation, the fuel consumption was astronomical in them. That thing under the fuselage is not the bomb, it is a fuel tank just to give it any range at all. Fully loaded and armed, it wasn't much faster than a B-52 and the advent of SAM missile defenses meant it had to fly low to avoid radar and that cut it's range down even further and no supersonic flight. It was a high performance and expensive airplane suddenly without a mission.
Generally correct, but (1) the pod *did* contain a bomb pay and (2) the B-58 was over twice as fast as the B-52.
The " Hustler" rules. Loved this.....5 by 5. Thx for posting~
I don't know why they stopped using these birds.
The thing just looks fast.
Very true, but you know what? It worked!
Short service life the B58 had...
God, how corny can you get ........... that so-called song at the end really takes the cake!!
quite unnerving, putting the men at target, even though the B-58 MISSED, no drop???, bugger....have to get those yanks the next time!!!
Best looking plane ever?
Well, for starters it was a hangar whore. It was hard to fly and probably it's biggest downfall was it's light weapons payload compared to the B-52.
High altitude bombers were out in the 60's , low level strike along with icbm the new strategy, a new role the 52 couldn't handle so enter the Rockwell B1
Obummer must hate this, adept and proficient Caucasians, oh my!
. This plane's life was just too short. To hear the drivers of this beast tell it, this plane was nothing but a royal pain to live in after a few hours.
Those crewmen were just that short of going into heavy case of PDS. I still love it and stop anytime to marvel over a static display. Visit the Air Force Museum in Dayton OH. 051113.
make Wallace smoked on tv,you could smoke in court
Will take a proper gander at the propaganda later, not in the mood for a half hour video at the moment.
Damn cool plane.
You comparing the 1960 to 2020. What fool would do that? You can call a aircraft back, but you can not call a missile back. Think about this very hard before you answer.
All of that looks mad today , even though thay was practicing nuckler destruction , thank god it didn't really happen.
They 'purchased' their lunches??...They're servicemen, they should get 3 meals a day on "uncle sam".
Mr AVhistorybuff, this was an informational film for American distribution. This would never have been shown behind the iron curtain......LOL Propaganda just another word for information, it just depends on how you tailor it for your audience.
Only remeber hearing one sonic boom growing up in Ohio in the 60s.
I grew up near MacDill AFB in Florida during the Cuban missile crisis. Sonic booms and F-100s at treetop level were commonplace. Being a kid, I thought that was normal!
I hate the way they called this "propaganda". If it is true it isn't propaganda. It's a report of the truth.
You should study the meaning of "propaganda". It can be either truth or fiction and is intended to change the mindset of an opponent (or, sometimes a friend). It is a much better alternative to war.
It's propaganda-like in the sense that its real purpose seems to be to get the public to accept the annoyance of sonic booms, rather than to explain the Hustler.
*Queue thunderbirds music*
To John Kantor: you're point about the efficacy of MAD is well taken, but ending your comment with a death threat is just plain juvenile.