Wouldn't a fairer comparison be of a battery that was randomly bought from the model shop instead of testing one selected and supplied by the manufacturer/supplier?
The packs we sent to Jonatthan are 100% production packs taken from our inventory. I'm sure if you are willing to purchase pack from our site and send it to Jonathan he willl test it against the packs we sent him and this will confirm there is nothing special going on.. Jonathan was a customer of SMC and when I saw his videos were quality videos I reached out to him to see if he wanted to test our new packs. Y
Hey, just wanted to say that yours is my second favorite RC related channel on youtube. Your tutorial on landing jets was really on point, and when you do reviews, they're in depth and very honest. I've been excited to see every video since I discovered your channel because I know I'm going to get some good insight even if it's not something I'd otherwise be into. Keep it coming! And don't change the vibe your channel has!
Hi Jon, I wouldn´t buy that Coddar for so much. With a friend we have been testing several batteries we had and bought. The Coddar being 8S wasn´t tested yet. But my friend had a small GensAce that I was sure would deliver nice power being LiHV but was a deception. He had also one SMC 2600 I think from a Shop of the Netherlands but with a wrong plug and that did not deliver either. I suppose that sample was a returned one. There are mid price range good batteries as HRB or CNHL too. I have found new batteries with poor performance (huge voltage sag) and also much smaller capacity than printed. So I think you can just pick two parameters from three: cheap, performance, weight. For super performance I would try your SMCs if there was a good distributor here in Europe. But now I´m more into soldering LIIon packs with +1 cell for extra performance and very long flights. Thanks for sharing!
I know it’s going to be hard to get up north to them again. But I would love to see another collab with tail heavy productions. I love both channels and if you guys teamed up again. I bet everyone would enjoy them.
And I would also love to see you fly a P-38. It’s one of my favorite planes from the era and the one time I did get to see one fly. The elevator was reversed and it crashed. But it was a beautiful plane. And the pilot that flew it happened to do maintenance on the only f-100 super Sabre still flying. I met him and we chatted up a storm about the plane. But anyway, would love to see you fly a p-38
Great test! SMC is the best Lipo battery and it's at a reasonable price point. If you want some more budget Lipo, CNHL and Rhino are also good choices. Zippy and turnigy batteries are easier to be puffy but actually works fine...
That Coddar pack had some serious voltage sag issues the entire flight. While I now exclusively fly the SMC HV HCL packs in the bulk of my edf's I still use Liperior from time to time. Besides those two previously mentioned brands I've heard and read that Roaring Top, Admiral and CNHL Black series are pretty decent as well, but currently SMC appears to be the king.
@@TwoBrosRC I still don't understand why guys buy into the hype and pay that much for a battery nowadays with the options we have out there, overpriced and over hyped brands like Max Amps and Spektrum are just horrible by comparison. I have pre-ordered the new 8s Freewing Eurofighter with four of the 4s SMC HV HCL 5300MAH batteries, and I have no doubt that they will be the best performance and power source for that model.
@@steelrainfpv3383 We usually avoid 8s for airframes meant to carry 6s - top speed isn't much of a concern as much as pure aerobatic potential is. But good choice! You'll see how our 6s version flies in mid January.
@@TwoBrosRC yeah I thought that I'd try and give the 8s thing a chance for the first time ever, but if that doesn't work out I'll just swap in the 6s FMS edf unit and call it good.
@@steelrainfpv3383 Someone should tell Brian Phillips RC how over rated and expensive Spectrum batteries are. I'm sure he will come up with some excuse
HRB 5000c 6s are in the $70 range on amazon. As far as Amazon batteries go, they're probably the best you can get on there. But this SMC pack is is $90 for WAY more performance. I have both HRB and SMC packs and its a very noticeable difference.
Most of them are, for sure. We know that SMC sources out top quality packs for their products because we can see the difference in testing and in regular flying. There's no going back for us.
@@felixsrcworld5112 Only quality batteries we can buy are GensAce/Tattu and Admiral batteries. Neither offer batteries that compete with SMC High Voltage batteries though.
Flaps drop to 100% and elevator compensation is roughly 4 to 8%. Your model will vary because we don't use stock servos in the stabilators or flaperons.
As of today nothing I’ve found beats Maniax packs in RC Heli world which of course are equally hard on packs or more then any jet cause it’s steady draw non stop big amps. Never tried smc and wouldn’t mind but they need to start selling outside of USA as I’m in Canada
The internal resistance on that Coddar battery was terribly high. It may have had more capacity, but the voltage drop was awful. I wonder how hot it got compared to the SMC..
Hi, thanks for the video, most informative. I would like to get some of these batteries and have tried purchasing from the SMC site previously but sadly they cant be shipped to UK. Anyway around this?
Hey............... I'm convinced, just wish I could test some SMCs myself. How about shipping some packs to us underprivileged folks here in Europe.............. you know you want to ! ! !😎
The battery specs marketing train is pretty corrupt. True C ratings should be mandatory, anything over 60c real world is an extremely amazing battery...
As someone that that moved from the rc airplane hobby to the FPV drone hobby. I am astounded by the crappy batteries that people use and accept in the rc world compared to FPV. Stuff like the expensive, low C rating poor quality E-flite and spektrum packs is absolutely terrible to the high performance batteries used in the FPV world.
Spektrum batteries have their place. We don't always need super high performance, and some Spektrum packs are the lightest we own which lets us pull off awesome maneuvers with certain models. Otherwise we usually recommend SMC packs because, well, we think you can see why.
Another crappy lipo brand is "Youme Power" which you can find on amazon. Their prices are okay, but their batteries are terrible. I have had multiple lipos from them and they've all falsely advertised their specs/perform terribly. For example, their 6500mah 60c battery would look big enough to convince you that it truly is a 6500mah 60c pack, but when you take it to fly, it performs like a 5000mah pack. On a side note, Hoovo batteries are probably the best ones I have used. They're priced fairly on amazon, and they perform amazing. Comparing it to the Goldbat batteries I usually fly, they perform better for around the same price.
When it comes to low priced Lipos found on Amazon most of them are not made with 100% LCO for the cathode to reduce price but this in turn reduces performance. It's not alaways true you get waht you pay for but in some cases it is.
It's a shame u recommend a brand that only the Americans have access to. What is an international brand you recommend? I've seen you use Zeee and Spektrum which is what I stock up on. UK.
MANY Chinese batteries have garbage 'C' ratings. SMC has always had true ratings. From the time they did 6 cell nimh 2wd stock truck. I was sponsored. Til now. Only 1 other seller I trust, & u can't buy them just anywhere. 1 seller in the USA.
We prefer to be one of the only RC channels that actually responds in a relatively short amount of time instead of making our fans wait days for a response.
@@TwoBrosRC two questions for you. You sent me a link for the best battery for my Habu 70mm SS. Is that still your recommendation after posting possibly new SMC 4400? Secondly, does it benefit you to order through you? I will be taking your advise. So if I can help mentioning you or going through a link of yours, I will gladly do so. Thanks again for the advise. Being brand new I need the wisdom.
I just got the hv li 5300 packs from smc. I will s a y they are great on edf jets but they under perform on 700 size 3d helis where you need instant punch power on hard collective pitch changes. I do.like them on my edf jets.
@@TwoBrosRC power curve is completely different on a heli. Lots of stop n go on a governor using 14 degrees of pitch. The power transfer is brutal. The smc Batts feel awesome on my edf jets. I'm sure most folks know Lithium packs come from a few different sources.
@SMC Racing my absolute favorite is thunder power rampage 6s 5000mah for 3d flying on my helis. Close runner ups are buddy rc 6s, optipower 6s and pulse 6s. Not many packs can sustain full collective pitch pumps on 700 size helis, governed at 2200 rpm without having any throttle bogging.
@@dbirds21 Thanks for the info. We have a new 100C-LiHV pack coming out that will be at a similar weight to the TP pack and I expect it to be stronger than the TP pack. When comparing Lipo packs you must consider the weight of the packs. If a pack is higher in weight and uses good materials it should be stronger than a lighter weight pack. Our 5300-LiHV pack is only 730gr. Not sure how weight impacts performance in Helis but you may want to try our 6200-LiHV pack.
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Wouldn't a fairer comparison be of a battery that was randomly bought from the model shop instead of testing one selected and supplied by the manufacturer/supplier?
The point was to test two LiHV packs against each other. There's no hobby shops near us that sell LiHV.
The packs we sent to Jonatthan are 100% production packs taken from our inventory. I'm sure if you are willing to purchase pack from our site and send it to Jonathan he willl test it against the packs we sent him and this will confirm there is nothing special going on.. Jonathan was a customer of SMC and when I saw his videos were quality videos I reached out to him to see if he wanted to test our new packs. Y
@@smcracing2370 do you have a distributor in New Zealand? Obviously difficult to get lipos shipped internationally!
@@smcracing2370 Hi, would love to purchase some of these batteries but it would appear you don’t ship to UK!
Hey, just wanted to say that yours is my second favorite RC related channel on youtube. Your tutorial on landing jets was really on point, and when you do reviews, they're in depth and very honest. I've been excited to see every video since I discovered your channel because I know I'm going to get some good insight even if it's not something I'd otherwise be into. Keep it coming! And don't change the vibe your channel has!
Thanks man! We appreciate ya.
I like that you hit that narrow landing strip with regular authority...spot on
It's the price we pay for free pavement.
Hi Jon, I wouldn´t buy that Coddar for so much. With a friend we have been testing several batteries we had and bought. The Coddar being 8S wasn´t tested yet. But my friend had a small GensAce that I was sure would deliver nice power being LiHV but was a deception. He had also one SMC 2600 I think from a Shop of the Netherlands but with a wrong plug and that did not deliver either. I suppose that sample was a returned one. There are mid price range good batteries as HRB or CNHL too. I have found new batteries with poor performance (huge voltage sag) and also much smaller capacity than printed. So I think you can just pick two parameters from three: cheap, performance, weight.
For super performance I would try your SMCs if there was a good distributor here in Europe. But now I´m more into soldering LIIon packs with +1 cell for extra performance and very long flights. Thanks for sharing!
I know it’s going to be hard to get up north to them again. But I would love to see another collab with tail heavy productions. I love both channels and if you guys teamed up again. I bet everyone would enjoy them.
Here's hoping we'll get to run into Zach down here.
@@TwoBrosRC Foreshadowing??? 🤨🤨🤨
@@ishigamiyu1991 Mayhap.
And I would also love to see you fly a P-38. It’s one of my favorite planes from the era and the one time I did get to see one fly. The elevator was reversed and it crashed. But it was a beautiful plane. And the pilot that flew it happened to do maintenance on the only f-100 super Sabre still flying. I met him and we chatted up a storm about the plane. But anyway, would love to see you fly a p-38
Great test! SMC is the best Lipo battery and it's at a reasonable price point. If you want some more budget Lipo, CNHL and Rhino are also good choices. Zippy and turnigy batteries are easier to be puffy but actually works fine...
You are not the only RC person that is very high on the SMC battery's I am going to give them a try .
Very acceptable flights on the smc battery. Very good flight authority from the Batt/Fan/ESC combination
Hey Jon, do you think the battery needs to be broken in? Cycled a couple times, before that 6000 can perform on par with the SMC pack?
Doubtful. It should perform out of the box. The IR isn't going to go down by using it.
You should test SMC vs Gens ace
I have both brands and love both brands, but I'm curious how gens ace would do in some of your larger edfs.
Might be something to test in the future!
9:42 what it do Jon?
I’m finna order an SMC pack.
You’ve put those up against the smart batteries too?
There's no contest between them. Smart packs aren't designed to be high performance batteries so it would be a completely unfair test.
That Coddar pack had some serious voltage sag issues the entire flight. While I now exclusively fly the SMC HV HCL packs in the bulk of my edf's I still use Liperior from time to time. Besides those two previously mentioned brands I've heard and read that Roaring Top, Admiral and CNHL Black series are pretty decent as well, but currently SMC appears to be the king.
You're seeing it too - but we felt it. And it sucked. Voltage sag that hard is just awful for $150.
@@TwoBrosRC I still don't understand why guys buy into the hype and pay that much for a battery nowadays with the options we have out there, overpriced and over hyped brands like Max Amps and Spektrum are just horrible by comparison. I have pre-ordered the new 8s Freewing Eurofighter with four of the 4s SMC HV HCL 5300MAH batteries, and I have no doubt that they will be the best performance and power source for that model.
@@steelrainfpv3383 We usually avoid 8s for airframes meant to carry 6s - top speed isn't much of a concern as much as pure aerobatic potential is. But good choice! You'll see how our 6s version flies in mid January.
@@TwoBrosRC yeah I thought that I'd try and give the 8s thing a chance for the first time ever, but if that doesn't work out I'll just swap in the 6s FMS edf unit and call it good.
@@steelrainfpv3383 Someone should tell Brian Phillips RC how over rated and expensive Spectrum batteries are.
I'm sure he will come up with some excuse
My last few batteries were made by HRB. Would say that they are one of the best price - performance batteries out there.
HRBs are basically Zeee packs. They're OK but you can spend a little more and get much more quality.
Hrb good for props planes models not edf i flown with that and drop like rokets😅
HRB 5000c 6s are in the $70 range on amazon. As far as Amazon batteries go, they're probably the best you can get on there. But this SMC pack is is $90 for WAY more performance. I have both HRB and SMC packs and its a very noticeable difference.
@@TwoBrosRC Unfortunately I live in Germany and it's really hard to get Smc lipos over here
@@JK-tj6ie You can email us and we can have packs shipped from Hong Kong to Germany.
Theres only like 3 lithium battery companies. So all these brands you see are simply labels.
Most of them are, for sure. We know that SMC sources out top quality packs for their products because we can see the difference in testing and in regular flying. There's no going back for us.
@@TwoBrosRC Shame we cannot buy SMC here in Europe
@@mathijs727 what brand in europe ? still tattu?
We wouldn't be surprised if SMC comes to Europe at some point.
@@felixsrcworld5112 Only quality batteries we can buy are GensAce/Tattu and Admiral batteries. Neither offer batteries that compete with SMC High Voltage batteries though.
I wish SMC would come out with some 4k packs for my 70mm EDFs.
They are. 4000 class LiHV packs will be available in January.
Dude! Horizon has your short of the low cobra on their Insta🤙🏻
That's awesome! We were hoping they'd notice it.
Hey man nice flying. A bit off the topic can you please let me know you landing flap travel and elevator mix setting please
Flaps drop to 100% and elevator compensation is roughly 4 to 8%. Your model will vary because we don't use stock servos in the stabilators or flaperons.
@@TwoBrosRC are you able to tell me flap and elevator mix throw in mm please I
what is the weight in between smc & coddar? different weight with same power system and bird result different in data
The Coddar pack is significantly lighter by like 100g. You can cross reference the specs on RC Castle and SMC-racing.com
What would you think is better between the SMC and spektrum smart packs?
SMC packs are definitely much higher performance, but they don't offer the self-discharge ability or the ability to monitor individual cell voltages.
As of today nothing I’ve found beats Maniax packs in RC Heli world which of course are equally hard on packs or more then any jet cause it’s steady draw non stop big amps. Never tried smc and wouldn’t mind but they need to start selling outside of USA as I’m in Canada
Reach out to Danny, we're sure he'll be able to work something out for you.
What model charger do you use to charge your batteries
Spektrum S1500
The internal resistance on that Coddar battery was terribly high. It may have had more capacity, but the voltage drop was awful. I wonder how hot it got compared to the SMC..
It definitely wasn't cold when it came back down.
Hi, thanks for the video, most informative. I would like to get some of these batteries and have tried purchasing from the SMC site previously but sadly they cant be shipped to UK. Anyway around this?
Try reaching out to SMC directly for assistance. We're sure Danny can work something out for you.
@@TwoBrosRC thank you
How do you feel about gens ace batteries?
We've got a 4s 3300 pack that's held up pretty well for two years. No complaints with GA aside from how expensive they tend to be.
No links for the batteries you recommending here?
Nothing direct - just visit www.SMC-racing.com and hit the 6s section.
SMC ALL THE WAY🙌
Has anyone used power hobby lipos?
Never heard of them
Hey............... I'm convinced, just wish I could test some SMCs myself. How about shipping some packs to us underprivileged folks here in Europe.............. you know you want to ! ! !😎
Reach out to SMC directly, we're pretty sure Danny can work something out for you.
I found a LiHV charger on AliExpress
Nice battery test. The difference is quite obvious. I'm wondering, do HV batteries shorten lifespan of electronics? Used in any rc plane?? AH...
Not that we've seen. They perform just the same but with more thrust across the flight envelope.
The battery specs marketing train is pretty corrupt. True C ratings should be mandatory, anything over 60c real world is an extremely amazing battery...
As someone that that moved from the rc airplane hobby to the FPV drone hobby. I am astounded by the crappy batteries that people use and accept in the rc world compared to FPV. Stuff like the expensive, low C rating poor quality E-flite and spektrum packs is absolutely terrible to the high performance batteries used in the FPV world.
Spektrum batteries have their place. We don't always need super high performance, and some Spektrum packs are the lightest we own which lets us pull off awesome maneuvers with certain models. Otherwise we usually recommend SMC packs because, well, we think you can see why.
These batteries are great but they're literally ALWAYS out of stock... I guess i'll just hsvr to keep checking until they are then order several.
There's a reason for that. It's hard to get the good stuff!
@@TwoBrosRC Fr in my head I'm imagining that one dude ordering every single battery on the site lol
wouldn't touch SMC with a barge pole, they now have a bad reputation of going bad only after a few runs, and going completely dead after 10 -15 runs.
That's a complete fabrication.
Another crappy lipo brand is "Youme Power" which you can find on amazon. Their prices are okay, but their batteries are terrible. I have had multiple lipos from them and they've all falsely advertised their specs/perform terribly. For example, their 6500mah 60c battery would look big enough to convince you that it truly is a 6500mah 60c pack, but when you take it to fly, it performs like a 5000mah pack. On a side note, Hoovo batteries are probably the best ones I have used. They're priced fairly on amazon, and they perform amazing. Comparing it to the Goldbat batteries I usually fly, they perform better for around the same price.
When it comes to low priced Lipos found on Amazon most of them are not made with 100% LCO for the cathode to reduce price but this in turn reduces performance. It's not alaways true you get waht you pay for but in some cases it is.
At 2:40 you broke 21volts
Not surprised given the quality of the pack in question
It's a shame u recommend a brand that only the Americans have access to. What is an international brand you recommend? I've seen you use Zeee and Spektrum which is what I stock up on. UK.
CNHL is a brand we've heard good things about. You could also pick up Admiral packs which are doing well on the RC Groups testing thread.
Isn't mania x batteries pretty big in Europe. They are solid batteries
@Derek Birdsall I honestly have never heard of them before. Had a quick look and there's not many around. Thanks for the suggestion 👍🏾
MANY Chinese batteries have garbage 'C' ratings. SMC has always had true ratings. From the time they did 6 cell nimh 2wd stock truck. I was sponsored. Til now. Only 1 other seller I trust, & u can't buy them just anywhere. 1 seller in the USA.
What is the best SMC 6s battery for my Habu SS 70mm? Please
www.smc-racing.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=67_203&product_id=711 - lightest weight with the most power for a Habu SS.
@@TwoBrosRC thanks for that unbelievably quick reply and info.
We prefer to be one of the only RC channels that actually responds in a relatively short amount of time instead of making our fans wait days for a response.
@@TwoBrosRC two questions for you. You sent me a link for the best battery for my Habu 70mm SS. Is that still your recommendation after posting possibly new SMC 4400? Secondly, does it benefit you to order through you? I will be taking your advise. So if I can help mentioning you or going through a link of yours, I will gladly do so. Thanks again for the advise. Being brand new I need the wisdom.
I just got the hv li 5300 packs from smc. I will s a y they are great on edf jets but they under perform on 700 size 3d helis where you need instant punch power on hard collective pitch changes. I do.like them on my edf jets.
What pack works better for you in your 7000 size 3D application and what is the weight of the pack ?
How would they underperform in a helicopter and not in a jet?
@@TwoBrosRC power curve is completely different on a heli. Lots of stop n go on a governor using 14 degrees of pitch. The power transfer is brutal. The smc Batts feel awesome on my edf jets. I'm sure most folks know Lithium packs come from a few different sources.
@SMC Racing my absolute favorite is thunder power rampage 6s 5000mah for 3d flying on my helis. Close runner ups are buddy rc 6s, optipower 6s and pulse 6s. Not many packs can sustain full collective pitch pumps on 700 size helis, governed at 2200 rpm without having any throttle bogging.
@@dbirds21 Thanks for the info. We have a new 100C-LiHV pack coming out that will be at a similar weight to the TP pack and I expect it to be stronger than the TP pack. When comparing Lipo packs you must consider the weight of the packs. If a pack is higher in weight and uses good materials it should be stronger than a lighter weight pack. Our 5300-LiHV pack is only 730gr. Not sure how weight impacts performance in Helis but you may want to try our 6200-LiHV pack.