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okay you saying “there is a difference between depicting something and condoning something” just made me wanna give you a million bucks bc this just phrased perfectly what ive been feeling for months👏👏
I have to agree. Depicting doesn’t automatically mean you condone something, it’s the execution and the way you handle it that is important. Surely if something is shown without reflecting upon it or even criticizing it (if we talk about the sexism of the water tribe for example), that would be a problem. Just taking it as it is, as if the injustice and inequity is something natural and just self-explanatory and justified; that’s where I would have a problem in general.
What pisses me off the most about the "I wanted to see that (the genocide of the Air Nomads)" is that we do see it, we see Aang's home destroyed, we see pieces of fire nation armour and banners littered around the temple, we see the skeleton on Aang's mentor and friend, we feel Aang's guilt and pain and realisation of being the last Air Nomad, we see the genocide, we just don't see the blood and gore of it.
People have a very strange fascination with gratuitous violence and gore to the point where they’ve equated their presence in a show/movie with it being “mature”.
Tbf you won t see it in the live action either. Because it wants to stay pg14... So just cool explosions to suggest what is happening. Which is kind of a downgrade imho. It shows something in a not very impactful way, rather than let you imagine something horrible.
they want to revel in the violence of genocide as if the pain in genocide comes from the blood and death and not the ABSENCE and LOSS of culture and people.
I have this feeling that the reason they chose to depict Zuko's scar like that is that they didn't want to genuinely have a character with a deformity be shown on screen. I'm a medical student and I've seen burn scars and let me tell you, that is not a scar. They just felt uncomfortable with really showing it. But hey, showing genocide is okay!
Also a medical student (finals starting tomorrow and I am on a study break 😅) and I thought exactly the same thing. Genocide is fine apparently but disability and disfigurement is where they draw the line. 🙄
I'm disabled and so glad Toph isn't in the first season for them to ruin😐there's no way they'd cast a blind actress or by the sounds of it even really consult anyone...they'd probably remove all the jokes too when they weren't on her expense but normal jokes about her life but it's not like they'd get that :') she's such an empowering character imo (not blind tho so listen to blind people about her depiction over other disabled people like me!)
yeah i also feel like they were afraid a scar would make him not hot enough for later episodes/seasons bc you know "people with scars cannot be beautiful" and bs like that. 100% bc thex want to "cater" to the zukofans
@@ShadowWolf1307 which is crazy because the scar is what makes zuko… ZUKO. every edit or drawing i’ve seen him without the scar he just looks like a regular guy, lol, even as a kid.
@@tsuki3752 ikr. I love zuko and when the series first aired ngl i loved the idea of Zutara so i definitelly think they made the wrong move. People with flaws can be 100x more pretty because of them (not that i want to fetishize scars but) making him look good with this "flaw" be it emotionaly or physically would give his character a lot more weight. Also he wont have that emotional weight now potentionally when he opens up about this trauma bc the trauma looks as diminished as the scar does
i don’t know why they wouldn’t just adapt the kyoshi duology if they wanted a show with a darker tone in the same world. then they wouldn’t have to worry about the constant comparisons that they’ll never live up to
IIRC that's actually what they wanted to make, but executives insisted on a remake as a "safe bet". PS I realize I'm fighting a losing battle against virtually all fandom wikis, but FYI the proper term is dilogy (with a short i as in trilogy). "Duology" is pseudo-Latinate gibberish. That has been around for hundreds of years, so I can't even blame "people nowadays" (much) instead of half of the Early Modern English grammarians having been overly confident semi-educated blowhards. Regardless, the consistently properly constructed terms (dilogy, trilogy, tetralogy, pentalogy,...) have been around for thousands of years (naturally with changes in pronunciation and inflection).
@@twincast2005if the executives really wanted a safe bet, they would not have put a bunch of amateurs in charge. Who seriously thought a sport journalist to rewrite the show was a safe bet? 😂
Showing the genocide also doesn't make sense for AANG. Like we as a viewer see this horrible thing through him, he wasn't there either so we see from his perspective the emotional trauma and makes us bond with Aang even more. That's why these characters are so memorable because we were with them and saw what they saw, which allowed us to relate to them and had compassion for them for scenes like that
I HATE HATE the way they're going about Katara. This feels like its being made by people who criticize Katara's character and say that she's annoying and uninteresting when in reality she is a traumatized girl who experienced her mother's death directly and has taken on that role not only because of how nurturing she is but also because she found meaning in making sure that her loved ones are safe and cared for. The whole point of the Southern Raiders and Puppet master episodes is that Katara's fighting has always been meant to protect and not to harm. Water is the element of life, for goodness sake! She finds her strength in how much she cares. Also I hate it when people criticize the fact that she became a mother and can't comprehend the fact that she got to be there for her children unlike her mother who was killed prematurely. While her childhood was marked by the loss of her mother and her father going off to war, she got to see her children grow up and also met her grandchildren. Imagine how meaningful it must have been for her. Anyways, thanks for reading my TED talk.
Yeah I don’t like how they are acting like Katara was some stereotypical girl caricature. She was an incredibly nuanced female character which is so rare in mainstream media. I don’t like the Hollywood take that strong woman equals hating motherhood, caring about people, etc. ☹️
I understand your POV about Katara’s choosing to be a mom and raising her kids, but I also criticize how Katara’s whole WaterTribe identity, agency and passion for helping others was pretty much shoved to the side post-ATLA all for the narrative that she was the “Avatar’s girl” (and by that, I don’t just mean Aang- she also made herself emotionally available to help Korra as needed). Katara as a character does tend to gravitate easily towards nurturing and caregiving, but in the show Sokka reveals it as the result of trauma when they lost their mom. She was helping raise kids and even delivering babies… but deep down domesticity was not what she wanted. The way she’s vocal about Sokka not willing to sew his own clothes and her doing cleaning and cooking while he is off playing soldier says a lot about how she feels about traditional gender norms. In the show we also see her being the glue to her friends, doing her best to be emotionally available for everyone and trust that they’ll never leave or betray or disappoint her. In S3 we see how her dads’ absence greatly affected her- and these feelings of abandonment she had repressed throughout the whole time she was travelling with Aang, The kid she would have learn how to approach with careful, coddling demeanor so as to not give him reasons to run or storm away from things he didn’t want to hear. She’s a girl who was passionate and feisty and willing to fight for what she believed in… but at the same time had to choose her words with Aang because he was the sensitive kid Avatar. The whole LOK narrative that tells us Katara was willing to stay at home and raise kids while watching Aang leave her and take their youngest son with them frequently. It’s like the narrative says suddenly Katara was okay not having her family together when in the show… she wanted everyone together as a team. She became a healer (when she didn’t want to be known for healing!) and raised the non-airbender kids while Aang went off with Tenzin and Air acolytes to focus on the Airbenders really implied and unbalanced and unhealthy dynamic in the family they had… which is ironic, since wouldn’t it have been a great example of Aang demonstrated how the world could be culturally blended with his bicultural water tribe and Airbending family? Tenzin doesn’t acknowledge his WaterTribe heritage at all; Kya and Bumi where shocked when the airtemples didn’t even know they existed and Kya.. was just a healer. I don’t know… I feel like Katara deserved a much better legacy than the one she got post-ATLA .
the thing about Katara being 'motherly' is also there to show how she, as a child, is forced into a position where she has to take care of other children because of the war they're in and the parents they lost through it
Absolutely! And the scene between Sokka and Toph in the Bandit in season 3 is so meaningful, and they will have to take it away too or at least change it in some less impactful way. I can't believe they are taking such an integral part of how Katara impacts and interacts with the people around her
did they not watch the episode where sokka says katara had to be like a mother to him and when he thinks about his mother katara's face shows up in his mind???????? hello????
Also katara being motherly does not negate strength at all. Kind of sick of seeing Hollywood think a “strong” woman means physically strong or “like a man.” Katara is shown to be the strongest character emotionally because she has done the difficult thing of filling that motherly role and really the only reason they survive (the desert episode is a great example)
Re: them taking out the pistops. I would also argue that the Gaang's pitstops throughout the series is fundamental to exploring the world building and getting to know the people that are affected by the war, all around the world. That's also the point of Zuko's episode, which was getting to know and putting faces on people who were directly and indrectly affected by the war. If the Gaang don't see these consequences, or these people who need help, then why should we as an audience care about whether Aang defeats the firelord in the first place? Re: Katara's motherly qualities being toned down. You make a great point about how the show shows that you can be motherly AND a good fighter at the same time, and I would also argue that Katara's motherly nature was intentional to her as a character, not just to show that women can be both, but also for Katara's internal growth specifically. The whole point of Katara acting motherly is that it's because she lost her mother at such a young age and had to grow up quickly and take over the household. Sokka even mentions in the scam episode that whenever he imagines his mother, she's wearing Katara's face. That's because Katara HAS been acting like a mother throughout her whole childhood. The whole point was that she had to grow up so quickly that she never had time to be a kid. So much so that Aang has to point it out to her that she still IS a kid in the first episode! It's central to the show's theme about war robbing children of their childhood and innocence !! and they took it out !! what !!!
I love this comment. I'd also like to add that in the episode where Toph and Katara fight, it made me realize that Katara, HERSELF, feels that being the motherly one IS HER and that she has to be an adult. It's the same point that you made, but I just wanted to emulate how incredibly nuanced the show was able to depict what the consequences of the adults' decision has on the youth that follow after. The thing about the show was that it never made child-me feel like an idiot or that morals were spoon fed to me. You were allowed to think and ponder the different perspectives presented to you (aka, that one desert episode with the two tribes xD)
On today's episode of: NO ONE ASKED FOR THIS. Disrespecting animated content by making it into gritty and ugly live action is the peak of stupid. Fantasy is meant for animation adaptations because it isn't limited by CGI or hard stunts. It can in fact do sth live action can't, look magical and not like our world.
Agreed. I think it’s kinda sad that live action is theoretically being seen as the last step or Cherry on top for an animated show, when animation can just bring certain things to life that live action wouldn’t be able to do (as well/as much). It should be taken more seriously as a medium or one of multiple ways to depict and make a story into a show or movie. Like with certain shows that benefit from being live action and are better bc of it (I would especially say things like sitcoms e.g) so it goes with all these out there, crazy, magical etc. stories and themes. Plus it’s so difficult to not only make it happen in live action but also how to translate certain aspects of animated shows like a lot of the humor. Especially with things like avatar. Like the facial comedy is on point, how will you be able to translate such things without it becoming cringey.
Yeah... I mean, there are exceptions. I thought the 'One Piece' adaptation was done really well (good set, stuntwork, acting, etc.) and it meant I could show my parents and other people who don't want to watch 45 anime episodes just to see the full original team assembled why I love this story. The anime still overall tells it better, though, BECAUSE it has more time! But Avatar is a much shorter, non-anime-watcher-accessible story to begin with, so it isn't clear what a live action version brings!
“The animated show is a cartoon meant for kids” is enough for me to say fuck this adaptation. Clearly they have no respect for animation as a form of storytelling, Avatar is for EVERYBODY, to reduce it to a “kids show” I will NOT be tuning in.
Yeah… I showed it to my husband recently who’s never seen or heard of it (he’s not American) and he loved it and cried several times throughout the show. It is truly an amazing show and no, adding in more violence and desaturating everything is not better. And we already saw a more grown up story with Korra anyway.
Interesting how they were completely on board with the "movie" up until it flopped. One day the ATLA community will realize the actual masterminds behind the show were the head writters Aaron Ehasz and his wife Elizabeth.
@@coswagol bryke also think so little of their teenage girl fans it's laughable and misogynistic. I have no idea why they're so revered among atla fans when all they contributed to avatar was the basic premise and all the worst written episodes
@@coswagol Ikr?? It's so exhausting how fast people jump to conclusions without actually knowing anything. Like wait for the show to drop at least?? Damn.
Katara being motherly also shows the trauma of war. Young girls and teens becoming mothers to the children around them bc if they don't what will happen to them. Having your childhood ripped away to protect others is devastating. The scene where sokka says when he pictures his mother he can only see katara now is absolutely heartbreaking but beautiful and we're never going to get that. This also ties into what is happen in Palestine, the Congo, and Sudan. Its real life and should be shown
Also first episod of book1. Katara and aang arz sliding on penguins. Katara: hahaha, i haven t done that since i was a kid. Aang: but you still are a kid?! Just 10sec on screen to instantly tell in episode one all you ve told. Tjay katara lost her childhood because war took it from her. And the live adaptation still managed to not take those 10sec!!!!
I also think a big part of why not seeing the air nomads being wiped out and why Aang finding out about it the way he did had such a big impact was because the reason he was so upset was that he wasn’t there to help. Only seeing the aftermath and not the actual event helps the audience connect more with Aang’s feelings.
Zuko's burn scar literally looks like they just used too much eyeshadow 😭😭 When I first watched the trailer I was actually pretty glad (except with Zuko's scar cuz that was just...not it), but then I realized I was just subconsciously comparing it to the movie which means the bar was just low 😭 All my hopes and dreams for this show dwindle more and more as details regarding the story and writing were dropped from the press releases like no wonder the original creators left the project
Mark Hamil said the reason why he loved acting in the original show is that he felt it talked up to kids rather then down. From the looks of it the live action seeks to talk down to the adults, fans of the orginal who arw older now, by removing the substances and nuisance from the characters because apparently depicting flawed characters who undergo development is to much. How could we handle sexsim in our story, its to offensive and unrealistic apparently? I have no hope for this show.
@@himenyx153 Exactly. Sokka’s exaggerated and cartoonish sexist rhetoric in the animated series wouldn’t even translate well into a live-action medium. You can still redirect it in a way that’s more mature and practical for a live-action medium, while still honoring the essence of his character in order for it to work. With that being said, sexism isn’t even what his character is best known for. His whole sexist attitude is basically wiped out after the Kyoshi Warriors episode. His character was more so intertwined with self-doubt, stemming from being the lone non-bender among a group of world-class masters, all while harboring a strong desire to live up to the warrior legacy of his father.
To me, this is a prime example of why not everything needs to be live action. Cartoons can and should have value as their own thing and shouldn’t need live action versions to work. They almost always fail
them showing the aftermath of the genocide of the air nomads really reminds me of the scene in mulan where after singing their song they see a whole village whiped out, which hits way harder than if they’d shown the violence of it
the disappointment in this adaptation set in as SOON as the creators left; at this point, i just hold to the fact that they can’t ever take the original cartoon from me.
It was an amicable split and Mike and Bryan are NOT to be credited for the mastery of original ATLA. They were only a part of it. There were so many talented writers on the original who disagreed with a lot of Mike and Bryan's ideas, and it was ONLY because of the changes those writers made that the original was so amazing. Do whatever you want, but it's actually not telling at all that they left the adaption.
Did you know they are also removing / not addressing the Sozin's Comet deadline "for now" in S1? 😭 Like what even was the point then? Why would they rush Aang to master the 4 elements? They mentioned that they have to consider how much the cast will grow in between seasons but come on....the stranger things kids grew out of nowhere between supposedly short amount of time too and nobody bat an eye.....
@@Savage.-_.Gamer1 No because there would be a reason for it and the kid is going through puberty so obviously he going to seem older. That’s common sense please think about things before you say it
9:36 the "what do you mean?" is so funny bc that's been my reaction every time i see another piece of questionable interview lol. just that jennifer lawrence hot ones clip where she goes "WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT DO YOU MEAN?" 😂
also the violence thing is so similar to how many of my female and queer historian colleagues will joke that the biggest red flag is a historian who studies war, as in the historians who study military, weaponary, tanks, and the like. We spend so much time researching day to day life in communities and find wonder in that, that when someone tells me what plane did the most damage in WWI i get suspicious. They are never as interested in the people as they are the act of war.
@@sunny1923gyThis is such a good point and I whole heartedly agree. Everyday life is too small a part of historic research and always gets overshadowed by 'major events' which almost exclusively are just WAR. So boring! Sad, of course, but BORING! I can only hear about people smashing in each other's heads for fame, money, power and religion so much without wanting to groan in agony... Okay, rant over haha
at a certain point…… producers need to admit that they don’t want to make an adaptation, they just want to use an older original IP’s name so they can trick its fans into watching… it’s like. we have “filing the serial numbers off” and “AU” but… it’s sort of both? and it keeps happening?? hollywood… please… nothing is safe from a remake that didn’t watch the original send help
Sokka’s sexism was really important. It showed he was not a bad person but a product of his environment. And it also shows that it was not acceptable later on and he changed. As someone that grew up with a brother similar to sokka it’s very important to see that. He’s a character that we love but he’s wrong. That’s an important lesson for a lot of people. And women are able to relate with their own experiences with katara, toph, Azula, etc.
"Like game of thrones" people just can't let a thing be what it is, they always wanna make it "like" some other media that did well, like congrats now you've stripped the original of what made it unique and worthwhile lmfao
hollywood's obsession with explicit content is so insane to me. like, what tf do you mean we need to see all that gore and violence? why are you trying to appeal to fans of a very explicit adult show? why not let an incredible kids show keep the same audience?? weirdos
I fully agree with you that the side quests and quiet moments are essential to the story. Generally speaking, an audience can't form a meaningful connection to characters and their personalities through cool fight scenes and CGI alone. So you need to see Aang be lighthearted, telling stories and resolving minor conflicts through his empathy and jokes. That way, it packs a punch when he realises all those things are useless against the Fire Lord. Aang hates the fact he will need to use violence. It's his WHOLE THING. It's disconcerting if the live action show makers want to replace the quiet, lighthearted, funny moments with images of genocide and violence to force that connection between the viewer and the characters.
YES also like mentioned in the video there’s a huge emotional arc he goes on. I feel like he’s gonna be personalityless protagonist boy in the live action 😒
I couldn't watch more than two episodes...the acting's (esp. Aang and Katara -two main leads) pretty bad and the show's obsessed with telling rather than showing. So much of the characterization relied on characters either talking about themselves or others describing their character traits. I want to see our characters grow, not listen to them being described. For example, if a character is a glutton, I'd rather see it for myself by them pigging out rather than them going on a monologue describing themselves or others doing it for them Also, there's no chemistry between our main trio (Sokka, Aang, and Katara) and their entire relationship was rushed. It's like the creators just assumed we watched the OG and will project our preconceived love for the characters onto their show, so they didn't develop their rapport/relationship at all. They go from meeting each other to practically instant family members who act like they've known each other forever. It's so jarring and unbelievable. I really wanted to like this adaptation too, but sadly, I can't pretend it's a well done series that captured the spirit and essence of the original. If anything, I would say that the showrunners missed by a mile and failed to understand what made the original animated Avatar so beloved. It's like they chose to prioritize surface level aesthetics, lore, and "grittiness" over character development. All of the major characters were either watered down or had core personality traits removed. Lol, they wanted to appeal to Game of Thrones fans without realizing that it's the complex and morally grey characters that's the heart and soul of that show. It's laughable that an animated series made for kids featured much deeper characters than this LA counterpart. All of the character flaws were either removed (Sokka's sexism is practically nonexistent, Katara's no longer fierce or headstrong, Aang no longer crushes on Katara, and Zuko is much less villainous) or heavily toned down. The creators are so determined to make the characters instantly likable that they watered down any of their supposed "problematic" traits. But forgot that in doing so (without adding new traits), you end up with much blander characters who are no longer as interesting as they could have been. This makes it even harder to build natural rapport or interject conflict between characters. Katara, esp., has zero personality and all of her scenes are excruciatingly boring to watch. By far, it's the characters and their relationships/growth that made the original Avatar so unforgettable and yet, the showrunners don't seem to understand this. If they did, they wouldn't have skimped on all the relationship building and character work. Everything's rushed to the point where none of the emotional beats feel earned and it's like the characters are just going through the motions because the director says so rather than experiencing it all organically. I really don't understand why the showrunners didn't prioritize their characters above all else and make sure they're all well developed enough for the audience to fall in love with them. After all, people will forgive anything as long as they care about your characters... And despite all the bad writing, I could've at least stay engaged as long as our cast has amazing chemistry, but alas, it's just not there...I'm bored to death. Overall, the writing and acting just isn't good enough to hold my interest...One Piece Live Action is still the gold standard when it comes to adaptations -at least they concentrated on character writing and relationships above all else.
I watched atla as a adult and immediately thought “I am so sad I will never be able to watch this again for the first time” the show is perfection and I am interested to see it in this medium but nervous as always
The main thing about the show that I feel like makes people still watch it into adulthood besides its genius storytelling is the fact that the immaturity, humor, and seriousness of the show is balanced so incredibly well that it works great for both audiences and I def think this is gonna take on a more serious and adult tone which kinda ruins it for me
I agree, it’s also unrealistic. War doesn’t just make everyone’s clothes desaturated and no one tells jokes anymore. It’s a weird direction to go though a common one from Hollywood.
I too watched the show from beginning to end as it was airing. Avatar The Last Airbender is a show that one can watch at 12 and at 30 and its impact is still FRESH and strong , even after all these years. The most disappointing thing about Hollywood and studios is that they don't take animation seriously enough. Animation can do SO many incredible things that a live action simply can't. I feel your pain. I am right there with you. I'm going to watch the live action, but I have abandoned all hope of this adaptation being similar to my beloved original.
OMG, THIS! This is exactly what I thought when I read those quotes. And the GOT comparison just flipped me out, like, if it's going to be like GOT, you're missing THE point.
About Katara's character, the fact she is motherly is also directly linked to the fact she lost her mother very young and in a very traumatic way, so she would feel responsible for the caring of her father and brother because of that. Also, because of the ingrained sexism of the Water Tribe, she would automaticaly be put in this position of caretaker for being the only girl/woman of her family other than her grandmother, that would be older and couldn't take care of all of them. That is also very important for her characterization.
One thing that also drove me absolutely nuts: I read somewhere that they got rid of the Sozin's comet deadline, because ''we couldn't know exactly how old our actors would be for the subsequent seasons''. Like, EXCUSE ME??? I get that you have to deal with your actors aging, but just set the deadline in 3 years or something instead of one if that is a concern. You would still have the thing that Aang has to master the elements in a short time line (e.g. compared to Roku, who needed 16 years), but you got rid of the aging problem. Removing that deadline takes away the main driving force of the show. I mean, yeah, the avatar has to master all elements and the fire nation needs to be defeated, but Sozin's Comet was really that 'all-or-nothing' point: the fire nation has to be defeated before, because otherwise the comet's strength will allow the fire nation to take complete control over the entire world. HOW are you going to REMOVE that ESSENTIAL point of the story and only introduce it in the next season??????
They "got rid" of the ORIGINAL deadline because it's literally impossible for them to film the entire story without them aging, they didn't say anything about completely removing the deadline. Like you're this upset for what exactly? Where did you even read this? People are blowing the littlest things out of proportion I swear. I mean dude, they literally showed the comet in the trailer. What do you think is going to happen?? It obviously has to have a deadline or it would make zero sense being there. It's far more likely that instead of Roku saying "you must master the elements by summer's end" it will probably be something like "you must master the elements very soon" or something alluding to a deadline, just not with an exact date. Then we'll find out later, maybe in the library or something like that. And it's the same with Sokka's sexism. They NEVER ONCE said they are completely getting rid of the plotline but people are acting as if they did. "Sokka's sexism was-" THERE IS NO "WAS", IT'S STILL THERE. Everything is going to naturally be toned down a bit because it's not a cartoon on Nickelodeon with animated and sound effects. The show would be ridiculous if it wasn't toned down. I just know the cast and producers are regretting opening their mouth by how absolutely unhinged people have been responding. Just wait and see or don't watch it. Either way, the original show will always remain intact.
All Netflix and modern Hollywood in general cares about nowadays is appealing to people who are so stuck on trying to be ‘woke’ or ‘relevant’ that they ignore and suppress the real life struggles, flaws, cultures, and so much more, that make us exactly who we are: HUMAN.
There's another good reason to have "detours" on the adventure besides supporting Aang's character: we, the viewer, and Aang too, get to see the world. We have fun there, we meet people we feel things for, and we see in person the world that needs saving. It's not just some place, it's a place we know and love, not just "people" in it, but distinct characters, so we feel even more urgent about the danger looming over them.
as someone who knows nothing about the avatar the last airbender, i just love how passionate you are about it. it's because of people like you that changes are made in different forms of art and these big companies aren't allowed to just put out pure trash to cash out on it and disrespect long time fans. it's so important to talk about these things and create noise.
They didn't need to remove Sokka's sexism. They should have expanded on it, tbh. Like when he forces a kiss on Suki shutting her up when she's talking (even is she likes him too this isn't ok). It was iffy and they could have addressed it. She should have been mad, then sokka has to work through his sexism and apologized, learning, it could have worked as a character growth moment. Also they could have worked on Aang's sexism too. He literally forces himself on katara, kissing her, dismissing her when she had already told him she didn't want to be in a romamtic relationship at the time. And this is never addressed either in the original series, just brushed off. (Yes even if she ends up liking him too, this isn't ok.) Why don't they mention they're gonna work on that?? On expanding and building this relationship to it's healthier. And yes they should have worked on Katara being motherly towards Aang while at the same time both being attracted to each other, because that's weird. But they can just develop Katara and Aang's characters so that by season 3 they are more like partners and colleagues than Katara mothering Aang. But her being soft and moderly is a key part of her trauma and upbrining, she had to grow up too fast (like so many other young girls do in the world). She can be that AND eventually still be soft and nurturing but not the mom of the group, maybe when everyone else also has development and become more independent and responsible. They didn't need to remove it entirely just evolve it, along with her maturing and dealing with her trauma. There were actually problematic stuff in the original animated series they could have addressed, but instead they chose to remove any difficult, controversial complex topics to make it more palatable. And because aparently modern audiences can't cope with complex themes I guess... Oh, we are we living in censure times.
i wonder if a lot of the change comes from how all recent shows/seasons are only 8 episodes long. like how are you supposed to put 20 episodes of content into ONE 8 episode season personally i haven’t been a fan of 8-12 episode seasons, like take me back when every show season was like 20 episodes!!!! more content!!!!
@@Toribell1928 i couldn't get into it tbh. The message and moral of the story seemed so vastly different, sometimes even going against what ATLA stood for
I actually liked Korra as a protagonist a lot more than Aang. Her starting as hot-headed and overconfident, but learning to be more humble and focused was pretty cool. I love those types of characters in general
@@WaltDevil060 that's not what I meant. For example, ATLA respectfully addressed many sensitive topics, meanwhile in TLOK that was done very heavy-handed to say at least. Like making Bolin's abusive relationship a joke or how team avatar 2 basically looked down on poor people in ba sing se (compare their reaction to that of team avatar 1). Same goes for inspirations and worldbuilding. TLOK basically destroyed the whole concept of the world making this true evil vs. true good (so God vs. Satan?) thing which doesn't fit in any way. The show did not feel new but simply not in line with what was established in ATLA before 🤷🏻♀️
I really love your channel. The problem with Sokka is the way he is translated from animation. In the animated version, the way they draw his expressions are really exaggerated as it is a kid's show. In the live action version, the actor has to play that charisma whilst maintaining an air of subtlety, as if he copied the animated version, it would seem fake and over-acting.
I think a lot will change like Shadow and Bone because they're worrying that they won't get another season. Which is stupid. Season 1 has a good arc they can follow if they end up not getting another season
The show actually looks good (aesthetically). But so many shows now just don’t understand that character development exists and that it is often more important than plot. The side quests were often annoying but they were an effective device for character development. Someone doing “bad” things (especially a kid/teen) and learning a clear lesson from them does not make them a bad person!!! That’s how us as kids could learn important lessons from this show and it have a lasting impact 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
insta click. i had a little bit of hope for the new show by the casting and first teaser, but all of it was crushed so hard this past week or so that i will NOT be tuning in. i'm sure i'm not the only one.
It really sounds like this is being adapted by people who didn’t like the original story. I really didn’t like it as a child because I remember Aang being very annoying because he acted like a child (as he should, since he is one). It seems like these writers thought the same thing and decided to ignore that part of his characterization because of it. If you don’t like the world and characters you have no business writing this show.
Also, I'm adding here about the whole heading to the North Pole. Two things, firstly they were going up there to find a water bending teacher for Katara, and then also Aang when he learns that there is a time limit to learning the elements. And the fire nation attacked because they knew Aang was at the North Pole. So this vision thing ignores the actual reasons why they were going in the first place, and I do wonder what this means for both of these characters.
I recommend reading Nothing Ever Dies by Viet Thanh Nguyen ... he writes directly about Hollywood's obsession with the macabre focusing on the Vietnam War. Talks about everything you mentioned on the things they are hollywoodifying.
For the creators of this remake to devalue the original series as "just a kids show" goes to show that they absolutely did not watch it and they absolutely do not understand it. Sure, it was a kids show. But you know what else it was? a show about WAR. A show where a father purposefully and hatefully physically mutilated his own THIRTEEN YEAR OLD child for something as simple as speaking his mind. Then sends him on, for what anyone knew, was a literal snipe hunt that he'd NEVER succeed. (This same father, years earlier was going to KILL his own child "just because" basically. ) This is a show where a young boy watches his family die and is so deeply traumatized by it that he loses his humanity as a literal guerrilla terrorist hiding in the trees with a few dozen other KIDS who can assume were orphaned or displaced at the hands of the Fire nation. This is a show where a father has to abandon his children to go to war, causing his daughter to force herself to grow beyond her years. THIS IS A SHOW WHERE FIRE BENDING HITLER WANTS TO DESTROY EVERY OTHER NATION. Not only does he want to kill them, he was going to BURN THEM TO DEATH. But yeah, just a kids show, right? Game of thrones, huh? Oh boi I can't wait until Sokka and Katara f*ck each other!..there's enough R34 of that, so I guess it's possible.
A lot of the “little adventures” team avatar goes on need to happen. It’s essential to the ending of the show. That’s how they also meet so many people that help them in the last season. The adventures also help Aang grow as the avatar. He sees how these people are living without the avatar being present in the world, the one thing that brings balance. Also Sokka was very misogynistic, but throughout the show he changed a lot. The whole point of the show is to show how the characters have changed and overcome their pasts. Like dude no one condones anyone’s bad behaviors in the show.
I also think that the decision not to show what happened exactly at the Air Nomad genocide is a kind of atmospheric decision. It's something that happened a looong time ago, and became more of a legend. By not actually experiencing it and only hearing about it by word of mouth, we're put in the position most of the word's residents are in. Anyway, I hope it will be still good, despite my mounting worry... *crosses fingers*
I told the kiddo about the changes they did to the new version of ATLA, and her 8 year old brain asked “why would they ruin it like that?” Not everything animated needs to be made live action, I feel like they took the wrong messages out of the failure that was the movie. To this day she refuses to watch the movie because she thinks it’s going to be me torturing her lol
I'm going to watch this video TWICE, because your arguments and opinions are so good and valid and I agree soo much with them that I don't even know what to write anymore, but I love you for making that video! ♥
im always begging these movie studios to stop doing live action adaptations bc what do live actions bring over the original animated film ???? like if they're trying to make it more "grown", the amount of cgi required in a live action atla feels more cartoony than the real animated show. Plus, using real kid actors means a lot needs to be cut out to keep filming as fast as possible before they age out of the role ... just more disadvantages than advantages i feel
I also feel like not showing the genocide of the Air Nomads is meaningful because it brings us closer to Aang's perspective. There's something even bleaker to me about the fact it's already over, that the fight was lost 100 years ago. The Nomads are gone and there is nothing left to be done about it. We will never get to know their final moments, see their perspective of events. Actually showing the massacre takes away from that sense of loss and powerlessness. It makes for a less interesting and thematically coherent telling of the story, with all the added negatives of gratuitous violence.
I don't feel like a live action version of a tv show is really needed. Like, it was an original tv show and now it's live action, which doesn't make sense to me because animation was the perfect medium to display what the creators wanted to show in the first place. We'll see what happens when it gets released but I don't have high hopes about it
shout-out to the Braving the Elements podcast, which I just learned is back now for season 3 and is a complete delight that features Janet Varney and Dante Basco (voice actors of Korra and Zuko) talking about each episode of the original series and related topics! Absolutely going to be more fun and thoughtful than the Netflix series.
I'm also a really a big fan of the animated show! Has been a big part of my life since childhood and I basically have rewatched it every single year. I've been so anxious about this live action and what you talked about in this video are exactly my concerns too!
I love your rant on the death of literary analysis and critical thinking. FACTS It’s so frustrating and it just keeps happening across different medias.
Watching the trailer the thing that immediately stood out to me was Sokka's humour. Like a it's so childish. He was actually funny in the show even watching it as an adult. I can't stand the fact they're removing his sexism from the show because it's "bad" duh, it's supposed to be. I know so many men like sexist Sokka who need an PUT IN THEIR DAMN PLACE like he was. When we remove the nasty bits from television we stop giving a voice to the Suki's and Katara's of the world who had to deal with such crap. I'd actually argue it's more sexist to remove it than keep it in. When is Hollywood going to understand!! I think Avatar will be disappointing and the bits that are good will be riding on the original show HARD. Like Azula and Zuko I think will be pretty good and the same maybe with Iroh. I'm worried about Sokka, Aang, Katara, Toph. The trailer looked so MCU. I'm actually debating not watching it. This show helped me through moments in childhood and my depression. I can't stand to have it be bad.
I agree with your comment but also have to ask since it has been A WHILE since I watched avatar so I don’t remember anymore. But was sokka put into place for sexist behavior? Bc if being put into place means he says and does something, he gets knocked over the head and it’s basically like some comedy moment, nothing changes about his behavior and we see it again and again after that - that wouldn’t mean he’s being put into place. If that is what happens then yeah tone it down in the live action bc that shit won’t translate in a live action and honestly imo doesn’t need to be there in that form (bc again that would just mean him being sexist is a joke and he’s being hit over the head but nothing changes)
@@cinnamonroll96That's not really what happened. He gets his ass beat but also a talking to from Suki and Katara. I don't think he continues being sexist after that, just a goofball. I think
The mention of violence reminds me how bending specifically was designed to allow for fight scenes without gratuitous violence. You still got the spectacle and the compelling dynamics of a fight scene, but bending makes it palatable to all audiences and less brutal.
Whoever is making this show has to be particularly conceited because they literally had access to the original creators at first and somehow disregarded that and decided instead that they can tell the story better by erasing a critical part of one of the main characters’ character arcs (and, as you said, it’s not just Sokka. Multiple other characters encounter the sexism in this universe for a reason). I’m gonna go out on a limb and say I’ll just be skipping this and will rewatch the original instead. Can’t wait for your thoughts on the show, though, if you watch it!!
I *really* hate to defend these decisions, because A) I don't support this show in *general,* I think live-action remakes are a plague and I wasn't even on board when Bryke were involved; and B) I could easily end up being wrong and it could be executed as poorly as everyone is expecting. THAT BEING SAID. Respectfully, I think some people are going way too overboard with some of these reactions. I don't actually think that Sokka's initial sexism is some kind of integral and necessary character trait that couldn't be toned down. It would not be that hard for a writer to find some other kind of conflict to base those other scenes on--especially since they said the sexism was 'toned down,' not removed entirely. And the most important thing I think needs to be remembered is--from what I can tell, most of these are not official statements made by the writers or anything, they are casual comments, taken out of context, from the ACTORS. These actors are pretty young, and more importantly, aren't the writers. They may not fully understand the rationale behind why the writers made the choices they did--and even if they did, they may not be able to articulate that reasoning terribly well in an unscripted interview.
I'm NOT gonna watch it AT ALL...i hate to say it but they have WHITEWASHED the show... All the "TONING DOWN" and Sokka and Katara...very white passing...wtf!?!?!?!? Such a punch to the gut for the people of color, HATE NETFLIX...I'm never supporting netflix whatsoever! Sokka character in the live action is just wrong...and the changes, they better STOP anymore live actions, but tbh...damage is done! 😭😭😭 I'm literally crying...the show was, is and will be PERFECTION, yet there are people who took the show out of context and trying to make it "MULAN IS NOT A SUPERHERO"..."AVATAR IS NOT A SEXIST" while being SEXIST THEMSELVES!!! They lied about Mulan and they gonna mis-depict and mis-read the ATLA show too!!!! I'M REAL MAAADDDDDD!!!!🤬🤬🤬 Never Supporting Netflix Ever Again. Period.
Omg this video is gonna be hilarious I KNOW how much of a hater you're gonna and I'm HERE for it. Bc wtf did they even do with the show??? Who even wanted a live-action?? The fact that the original writers have quit? It's AWFUL and the things I've been seeing on Twitter made me think this will be the worst piece of media in existence 😭
@@AClockworkReader clearly not lol. When I heard the original creators left, I was out immediately. I’ve already seen ATLA. I don’t want to watch the inevitably inferior version.
Apparently Netflix wants to appeal to Game of Thrones fans. Here's how to do that: 1) put your laptop down, turn it off, delete that thought from your mind, do not even ever think of that ever again, you will piss off everyone. Season 8 was a flop. To appeal to GoT fans, your show will follow GoT season 8 and lose all trust, all credibility.
Changes to the story were inevitable. The detours couldn’t possibly work in a live adaptation due to budget and limited time. But I still hope whatever they did makes sense
I think the fan base gives Brian and Mike too much credit. Every few years they put their full support behind a live-action effort and talk about creating new animated content. After a bunch of hype, they ubruptly leave the project because of creative issues. I feel like it's their way of staying relevant. If they cared about the integrity of Avatar: The Last Airbender, why keep pimping it out. Why not leave it as is, because it's basically perfect as an animated series. Instead, finally make good on their word to create new content in the Avatar universe. I don't think Avatar needs to be live action. I don't think most animated media needs to be remade in live action. We're all gonna' watch the first episode though at the very least. All we can do is hope Netflix really tried, and then go watch the animated version again.
Didn’t they leave the movie version too? Why do they keep leaving??? I say that could have stood by what they say or do it at all. It’s giving flaky vibes.
It lowkey reminds me of how Shadowhunters kept making changes to "be more progressive" but then actually did things worse. Like making Clary and Izzy fast friends to "not pit women against each other" but then giving most of Izzy's most interesting storylines to Alec instead
Damn I never thought the ATLA community was this closed off and judgemental. I love the show so much and have rewatched it numerous times but I'm open to this adaptation and will judge it AFTER it comes out. I just think everyone is jumping way too fast on this hate train before the show has even come out based on some statements (that in my opinion are being misconstrued). I am especially surprised/disappointed that one of my favorite UA-camrs is jumping on this as well, I love your videos and critiques and I was looking forward to what you were gonna say about this one, but only after actually watching, not based on all this drama. I guess I'm gonna stay off the internet until it comes out so as not to get poisoned by all the negativity 🙌
Completely lost me when you started to claim Toph and Azula dealt with sexism - Toph's arc was about ableism. Her family saw her as "frail" because she was blind and young, not because she was a girl. Azula experienced absolutely 0 discrimination for being a woman. She was known as one of the greatest firebending prodigies and trained to be the "perfect" warrior from a young age, something we see in the first seen she has with dialog. Azula was immediately respected as a fierce leader amongst the Dai Li, took over every room she entered as the fire nation princess, and was feared the world over. The same goes for Mei and Tai Lee. We even saw female guards & warriors in the fire nation.
I'm not particularly excited about the remake but I just don't get a lot of this animosity. Why would we want the show to be a 1:1 adaptation? I'd rather have something that at least tries to be different even if it's not great. Don't get me wrong, the comments about Sokka do seem a bit misguided, but why would it be so bad to take his character in a different direction for this different show? It's so easy to fixate on faithfulness to the original, but it's just so boring! (...also yall are way too judgmental towards these poor kids.. they aren't writers, they aren't going to be able to articulate the writing process they weren't involved in during a casual interview)
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Say less nonsense, the best live action series
i cant wait to see the part where sokka breaks aang out of the ice in protest for equal pay for women in the workplace!
please 💀 that’s probably exactly what they’ll do 😩
HEY CINDYYY you and hannah should do a collab on the ATLA show 👀
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they're gonna make sokka a bender watch me
Can we just accept not everything animated needs a live action😑
it’s disrespectful to animation!!
Well you don’t have to watch it
@@kylejackson7913 wasn’t planning to
I'm hoping the HTTYD movie flops so DreamWorks doesn't continue this foolishness
"The Untamed" and "Mo Dao Zu Shi" were both fine.
okay you saying “there is a difference between depicting something and condoning something” just made me wanna give you a million bucks bc this just phrased perfectly what ive been feeling for months👏👏
I have to agree. Depicting doesn’t automatically mean you condone something, it’s the execution and the way you handle it that is important. Surely if something is shown without reflecting upon it or even criticizing it (if we talk about the sexism of the water tribe for example), that would be a problem. Just taking it as it is, as if the injustice and inequity is something natural and just self-explanatory and justified; that’s where I would have a problem in general.
The problem is any individual person being arrogant enough to think they alone can determine what is "condoning" and what isn't.
What pisses me off the most about the "I wanted to see that (the genocide of the Air Nomads)" is that we do see it, we see Aang's home destroyed, we see pieces of fire nation armour and banners littered around the temple, we see the skeleton on Aang's mentor and friend, we feel Aang's guilt and pain and realisation of being the last Air Nomad, we see the genocide, we just don't see the blood and gore of it.
And that’s what makes it more impactful
People have a very strange fascination with gratuitous violence and gore to the point where they’ve equated their presence in a show/movie with it being “mature”.
Tbf you won t see it in the live action either. Because it wants to stay pg14...
So just cool explosions to suggest what is happening. Which is kind of a downgrade imho. It shows something in a not very impactful way, rather than let you imagine something horrible.
they want to revel in the violence of genocide as if the pain in genocide comes from the blood and death and not the ABSENCE and LOSS of culture and people.
I have this feeling that the reason they chose to depict Zuko's scar like that is that they didn't want to genuinely have a character with a deformity be shown on screen. I'm a medical student and I've seen burn scars and let me tell you, that is not a scar. They just felt uncomfortable with really showing it. But hey, showing genocide is okay!
Also a medical student (finals starting tomorrow and I am on a study break 😅) and I thought exactly the same thing. Genocide is fine apparently but disability and disfigurement is where they draw the line. 🙄
I'm disabled and so glad Toph isn't in the first season for them to ruin😐there's no way they'd cast a blind actress or by the sounds of it even really consult anyone...they'd probably remove all the jokes too when they weren't on her expense but normal jokes about her life but it's not like they'd get that :') she's such an empowering character imo (not blind tho so listen to blind people about her depiction over other disabled people like me!)
yeah i also feel like they were afraid a scar would make him not hot enough for later episodes/seasons bc you know "people with scars cannot be beautiful" and bs like that. 100% bc thex want to "cater" to the zukofans
@@ShadowWolf1307 which is crazy because the scar is what makes zuko… ZUKO. every edit or drawing i’ve seen him without the scar he just looks like a regular guy, lol, even as a kid.
@@tsuki3752 ikr. I love zuko and when the series first aired ngl i loved the idea of Zutara so i definitelly think they made the wrong move. People with flaws can be 100x more pretty because of them (not that i want to fetishize scars but) making him look good with this "flaw" be it emotionaly or physically would give his character a lot more weight.
Also he wont have that emotional weight now potentionally when he opens up about this trauma bc the trauma looks as diminished as the scar does
i don’t know why they wouldn’t just adapt the kyoshi duology if they wanted a show with a darker tone in the same world. then they wouldn’t have to worry about the constant comparisons that they’ll never live up to
yep!! they could have just not made this and yet….here we are
IIRC that's actually what they wanted to make, but executives insisted on a remake as a "safe bet".
PS I realize I'm fighting a losing battle against virtually all fandom wikis, but FYI the proper term is dilogy (with a short i as in trilogy). "Duology" is pseudo-Latinate gibberish. That has been around for hundreds of years, so I can't even blame "people nowadays" (much) instead of half of the Early Modern English grammarians having been overly confident semi-educated blowhards. Regardless, the consistently properly constructed terms (dilogy, trilogy, tetralogy, pentalogy,...) have been around for thousands of years (naturally with changes in pronunciation and inflection).
@@twincast2005if the executives really wanted a safe bet, they would not have put a bunch of amateurs in charge.
Who seriously thought a sport journalist to rewrite the show was a safe bet? 😂
@@twincast2005If the word has been used for centuries, then it is a word.
Zuko's scar looks like my "before shower" make up looks
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it's giving my panda eyes in the morning because i forgot to take off my makeup the night before
Showing the genocide also doesn't make sense for AANG. Like we as a viewer see this horrible thing through him, he wasn't there either so we see from his perspective the emotional trauma and makes us bond with Aang even more. That's why these characters are so memorable because we were with them and saw what they saw, which allowed us to relate to them and had compassion for them for scenes like that
I HATE HATE the way they're going about Katara. This feels like its being made by people who criticize Katara's character and say that she's annoying and uninteresting when in reality she is a traumatized girl who experienced her mother's death directly and has taken on that role not only because of how nurturing she is but also because she found meaning in making sure that her loved ones are safe and cared for. The whole point of the Southern Raiders and Puppet master episodes is that Katara's fighting has always been meant to protect and not to harm. Water is the element of life, for goodness sake! She finds her strength in how much she cares. Also I hate it when people criticize the fact that she became a mother and can't comprehend the fact that she got to be there for her children unlike her mother who was killed prematurely. While her childhood was marked by the loss of her mother and her father going off to war, she got to see her children grow up and also met her grandchildren. Imagine how meaningful it must have been for her. Anyways, thanks for reading my TED talk.
Yeah I don’t like how they are acting like Katara was some stereotypical girl caricature. She was an incredibly nuanced female character which is so rare in mainstream media. I don’t like the Hollywood take that strong woman equals hating motherhood, caring about people, etc. ☹️
Wow, well said and this made me look at Katara differently❤
@@Toribell1928she actually has so much depth. Tophis my favourite but I really liked the parallels between her and katara
I understand your POV about Katara’s choosing to be a mom and raising her kids, but I also criticize how Katara’s whole WaterTribe identity, agency and passion for helping others was pretty much shoved to the side post-ATLA all for the narrative that she was the “Avatar’s girl” (and by that, I don’t just mean Aang- she also made herself emotionally available to help Korra as needed). Katara as a character does tend to gravitate easily towards nurturing and caregiving, but in the show Sokka reveals it as the result of trauma when they lost their mom. She was helping raise kids and even delivering babies… but deep down domesticity was not what she wanted. The way she’s vocal about Sokka not willing to sew his own clothes and her doing cleaning and cooking while he is off playing soldier says a lot about how she feels about traditional gender norms. In the show we also see her being the glue to her friends, doing her best to be emotionally available for everyone and trust that they’ll never leave or betray or disappoint her. In S3 we see how her dads’ absence greatly affected her- and these feelings of abandonment she had repressed throughout the whole time she was travelling with Aang, The kid she would have learn how to approach with careful, coddling demeanor so as to not give him reasons to run or storm away from things he didn’t want to hear. She’s a girl who was passionate and feisty and willing to fight for what she believed in… but at the same time had to choose her words with Aang because he was the sensitive kid Avatar. The whole LOK narrative that tells us Katara was willing to stay at home and raise kids while watching Aang leave her and take their youngest son with them frequently. It’s like the narrative says suddenly Katara was okay not having her family together when in the show… she wanted everyone together as a team. She became a healer (when she didn’t want to be known for healing!) and raised the non-airbender kids while Aang went off with Tenzin and Air acolytes to focus on the Airbenders really implied and unbalanced and unhealthy dynamic in the family they had… which is ironic, since wouldn’t it have been a great example of Aang demonstrated how the world could be culturally blended with his bicultural water tribe and Airbending family? Tenzin doesn’t acknowledge his WaterTribe heritage at all; Kya and Bumi where shocked when the airtemples didn’t even know they existed and Kya.. was just a healer. I don’t know… I feel like Katara deserved a much better legacy than the one she got post-ATLA .
the thing about Katara being 'motherly' is also there to show how she, as a child, is forced into a position where she has to take care of other children because of the war they're in and the parents they lost through it
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Absolutely! And the scene between Sokka and Toph in the Bandit in season 3 is so meaningful, and they will have to take it away too or at least change it in some less impactful way. I can't believe they are taking such an integral part of how Katara impacts and interacts with the people around her
did they not watch the episode where sokka says katara had to be like a mother to him and when he thinks about his mother katara's face shows up in his mind???????? hello????
@iremspor That's actually kind of odd since I thought they were living with their grandmother.
Also katara being motherly does not negate strength at all. Kind of sick of seeing Hollywood think a “strong” woman means physically strong or “like a man.” Katara is shown to be the strongest character emotionally because she has done the difficult thing of filling that motherly role and really the only reason they survive (the desert episode is a great example)
Re: them taking out the pistops. I would also argue that the Gaang's pitstops throughout the series is fundamental to exploring the world building and getting to know the people that are affected by the war, all around the world. That's also the point of Zuko's episode, which was getting to know and putting faces on people who were directly and indrectly affected by the war. If the Gaang don't see these consequences, or these people who need help, then why should we as an audience care about whether Aang defeats the firelord in the first place?
Re: Katara's motherly qualities being toned down. You make a great point about how the show shows that you can be motherly AND a good fighter at the same time, and I would also argue that Katara's motherly nature was intentional to her as a character, not just to show that women can be both, but also for Katara's internal growth specifically. The whole point of Katara acting motherly is that it's because she lost her mother at such a young age and had to grow up quickly and take over the household. Sokka even mentions in the scam episode that whenever he imagines his mother, she's wearing Katara's face. That's because Katara HAS been acting like a mother throughout her whole childhood. The whole point was that she had to grow up so quickly that she never had time to be a kid. So much so that Aang has to point it out to her that she still IS a kid in the first episode! It's central to the show's theme about war robbing children of their childhood and innocence !! and they took it out !! what !!!
I love this comment. I'd also like to add that in the episode where Toph and Katara fight, it made me realize that Katara, HERSELF, feels that being the motherly one IS HER and that she has to be an adult. It's the same point that you made, but I just wanted to emulate how incredibly nuanced the show was able to depict what the consequences of the adults' decision has on the youth that follow after.
The thing about the show was that it never made child-me feel like an idiot or that morals were spoon fed to me. You were allowed to think and ponder the different perspectives presented to you (aka, that one desert episode with the two tribes xD)
On today's episode of: NO ONE ASKED FOR THIS.
Disrespecting animated content by making it into gritty and ugly live action is the peak of stupid. Fantasy is meant for animation adaptations because it isn't limited by CGI or hard stunts. It can in fact do sth live action can't, look magical and not like our world.
Agreed. I think it’s kinda sad that live action is theoretically being seen as the last step or Cherry on top for an animated show, when animation can just bring certain things to life that live action wouldn’t be able to do (as well/as much). It should be taken more seriously as a medium or one of multiple ways to depict and make a story into a show or movie. Like with certain shows that benefit from being live action and are better bc of it (I would especially say things like sitcoms e.g) so it goes with all these out there, crazy, magical etc. stories and themes. Plus it’s so difficult to not only make it happen in live action but also how to translate certain aspects of animated shows like a lot of the humor. Especially with things like avatar. Like the facial comedy is on point, how will you be able to translate such things without it becoming cringey.
Yeah... I mean, there are exceptions. I thought the 'One Piece' adaptation was done really well (good set, stuntwork, acting, etc.) and it meant I could show my parents and other people who don't want to watch 45 anime episodes just to see the full original team assembled why I love this story. The anime still overall tells it better, though, BECAUSE it has more time!
But Avatar is a much shorter, non-anime-watcher-accessible story to begin with, so it isn't clear what a live action version brings!
“The animated show is a cartoon meant for kids” is enough for me to say fuck this adaptation. Clearly they have no respect for animation as a form of storytelling, Avatar is for EVERYBODY, to reduce it to a “kids show” I will NOT be tuning in.
Yeah… I showed it to my husband recently who’s never seen or heard of it (he’s not American) and he loved it and cried several times throughout the show. It is truly an amazing show and no, adding in more violence and desaturating everything is not better. And we already saw a more grown up story with Korra anyway.
My fiancé never watched Avatar and says this….makes me kinda question marrying him…..🫠 (kidding, but it does annoy me.)
It is meant for kids
My words exactly! It's so disrespectful
Bryan and Mike walking out of this project told me everything I needed to know. Since then I kept my expectations EXTREMELY low 🙃
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Interesting how they were completely on board with the "movie" up until it flopped. One day the ATLA community will realize the actual masterminds behind the show were the head writters Aaron Ehasz and his wife Elizabeth.
@@coswagol bryke also think so little of their teenage girl fans it's laughable and misogynistic. I have no idea why they're so revered among atla fans when all they contributed to avatar was the basic premise and all the worst written episodes
@@coswagol Ikr?? It's so exhausting how fast people jump to conclusions without actually knowing anything. Like wait for the show to drop at least?? Damn.
@@himenyx153That's not the point they were making
Katara being motherly also shows the trauma of war. Young girls and teens becoming mothers to the children around them bc if they don't what will happen to them. Having your childhood ripped away to protect others is devastating. The scene where sokka says when he pictures his mother he can only see katara now is absolutely heartbreaking but beautiful and we're never going to get that. This also ties into what is happen in Palestine, the Congo, and Sudan. Its real life and should be shown
Also first episod of book1.
Katara and aang arz sliding on penguins.
Katara: hahaha, i haven t done that since i was a kid.
Aang: but you still are a kid?!
Just 10sec on screen to instantly tell in episode one all you ve told. Tjay katara lost her childhood because war took it from her.
And the live adaptation still managed to not take those 10sec!!!!
I also think a big part of why not seeing the air nomads being wiped out and why Aang finding out about it the way he did had such a big impact was because the reason he was so upset was that he wasn’t there to help. Only seeing the aftermath and not the actual event helps the audience connect more with Aang’s feelings.
Zuko's burn scar literally looks like they just used too much eyeshadow 😭😭
When I first watched the trailer I was actually pretty glad (except with Zuko's scar cuz that was just...not it), but then I realized I was just subconsciously comparing it to the movie which means the bar was just low 😭
All my hopes and dreams for this show dwindle more and more as details regarding the story and writing were dropped from the press releases like no wonder the original creators left the project
i feel exactly the same way 😭😭
Mark Hamil said the reason why he loved acting in the original show is that he felt it talked up to kids rather then down. From the looks of it the live action seeks to talk down to the adults, fans of the orginal who arw older now, by removing the substances and nuisance from the characters because apparently depicting flawed characters who undergo development is to much. How could we handle sexsim in our story, its to offensive and unrealistic apparently? I have no hope for this show.
They never even said they're removing the sexism lmao. You don't even know what you're talking about.
@@himenyx153 Exactly. Sokka’s exaggerated and cartoonish sexist rhetoric in the animated series wouldn’t even translate well into a live-action medium. You can still redirect it in a way that’s more mature and practical for a live-action medium, while still honoring the essence of his character in order for it to work.
With that being said, sexism isn’t even what his character is best known for. His whole sexist attitude is basically wiped out after the Kyoshi Warriors episode. His character was more so intertwined with self-doubt, stemming from being the lone non-bender among a group of world-class masters, all while harboring a strong desire to live up to the warrior legacy of his father.
To me, this is a prime example of why not everything needs to be live action. Cartoons can and should have value as their own thing and shouldn’t need live action versions to work. They almost always fail
True. I mean, can you name one good live action,
@@ellealine4159
One Piece.
them showing the aftermath of the genocide of the air nomads really reminds me of the scene in mulan where after singing their song they see a whole village whiped out, which hits way harder than if they’d shown the violence of it
the disappointment in this adaptation set in as SOON as the creators left; at this point, i just hold to the fact that they can’t ever take the original cartoon from me.
It was an amicable split and Mike and Bryan are NOT to be credited for the mastery of original ATLA. They were only a part of it. There were so many talented writers on the original who disagreed with a lot of Mike and Bryan's ideas, and it was ONLY because of the changes those writers made that the original was so amazing. Do whatever you want, but it's actually not telling at all that they left the adaption.
Did you know they are also removing / not addressing the Sozin's Comet deadline "for now" in S1? 😭 Like what even was the point then? Why would they rush Aang to master the 4 elements?
They mentioned that they have to consider how much the cast will grow in between seasons but come on....the stranger things kids grew out of nowhere between supposedly short amount of time too and nobody bat an eye.....
Aang literally stopped his detours and faced his responsibility as the avatar BECAUSE the threat of the comet was shown early on like what 😭
wait….WHAT DO YOU MEAN 😩😭
that’s the whole driving point of the plot????
Do you actually want me to tell you the reason or are you just looking to complain?
So Aang being an adult out of nowhere in months isn't supposed to break immersion ?
@@Savage.-_.Gamer1 No because there would be a reason for it and the kid is going through puberty so obviously he going to seem older. That’s common sense please think about things before you say it
Plot Twist: Zuko’s scar is actually not a real scar because burning your son is wrong
Omg I didnt even think of this. How are they gonna remove the intentional sexism, yet keep literal child abuse 😭. Make it make sense
9:36 the "what do you mean?" is so funny bc that's been my reaction every time i see another piece of questionable interview lol. just that jennifer lawrence hot ones clip where she goes "WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT DO YOU MEAN?" 😂
I told someone a few days ago that I would be more excited for the show if everyone involved stopped talking about it
no same tho 😭
also the violence thing is so similar to how many of my female and queer historian colleagues will joke that the biggest red flag is a historian who studies war, as in the historians who study military, weaponary, tanks, and the like. We spend so much time researching day to day life in communities and find wonder in that, that when someone tells me what plane did the most damage in WWI i get suspicious. They are never as interested in the people as they are the act of war.
@@sunny1923gyThis is such a good point and I whole heartedly agree. Everyday life is too small a part of historic research and always gets overshadowed by 'major events' which almost exclusively are just WAR. So boring! Sad, of course, but BORING! I can only hear about people smashing in each other's heads for fame, money, power and religion so much without wanting to groan in agony... Okay, rant over haha
not to forget that sokkas actor LIED about being indigenous to get this role as well
Yikes
at a certain point…… producers need to admit that they don’t want to make an adaptation, they just want to use an older original IP’s name so they can trick its fans into watching… it’s like. we have “filing the serial numbers off” and “AU” but… it’s sort of both? and it keeps happening?? hollywood… please… nothing is safe from a remake that didn’t watch the original send help
Sokka’s sexism was really important. It showed he was not a bad person but a product of his environment. And it also shows that it was not acceptable later on and he changed. As someone that grew up with a brother similar to sokka it’s very important to see that. He’s a character that we love but he’s wrong. That’s an important lesson for a lot of people. And women are able to relate with their own experiences with katara, toph, Azula, etc.
They are not removing it, literally the reviews say that it's still there.
"Like game of thrones" people just can't let a thing be what it is, they always wanna make it "like" some other media that did well, like congrats now you've stripped the original of what made it unique and worthwhile lmfao
hollywood's obsession with explicit content is so insane to me. like, what tf do you mean we need to see all that gore and violence? why are you trying to appeal to fans of a very explicit adult show? why not let an incredible kids show keep the same audience?? weirdos
I fully agree with you that the side quests and quiet moments are essential to the story. Generally speaking, an audience can't form a meaningful connection to characters and their personalities through cool fight scenes and CGI alone. So you need to see Aang be lighthearted, telling stories and resolving minor conflicts through his empathy and jokes. That way, it packs a punch when he realises all those things are useless against the Fire Lord. Aang hates the fact he will need to use violence. It's his WHOLE THING.
It's disconcerting if the live action show makers want to replace the quiet, lighthearted, funny moments with images of genocide and violence to force that connection between the viewer and the characters.
YES also like mentioned in the video there’s a huge emotional arc he goes on. I feel like he’s gonna be personalityless protagonist boy in the live action 😒
I couldn't watch more than two episodes...the acting's (esp. Aang and Katara -two main leads) pretty bad and the show's obsessed with telling rather than showing. So much of the characterization relied on characters either talking about themselves or others describing their character traits. I want to see our characters grow, not listen to them being described. For example, if a character is a glutton, I'd rather see it for myself by them pigging out rather than them going on a monologue describing themselves or others doing it for them
Also, there's no chemistry between our main trio (Sokka, Aang, and Katara) and their entire relationship was rushed. It's like the creators just assumed we watched the OG and will project our preconceived love for the characters onto their show, so they didn't develop their rapport/relationship at all. They go from meeting each other to practically instant family members who act like they've known each other forever. It's so jarring and unbelievable.
I really wanted to like this adaptation too, but sadly, I can't pretend it's a well done series that captured the spirit and essence of the original. If anything, I would say that the showrunners missed by a mile and failed to understand what made the original animated Avatar so beloved.
It's like they chose to prioritize surface level aesthetics, lore, and "grittiness" over character development. All of the major characters were either watered down or had core personality traits removed. Lol, they wanted to appeal to Game of Thrones fans without realizing that it's the complex and morally grey characters that's the heart and soul of that show.
It's laughable that an animated series made for kids featured much deeper characters than this LA counterpart. All of the character flaws were either removed (Sokka's sexism is practically nonexistent, Katara's no longer fierce or headstrong, Aang no longer crushes on Katara, and Zuko is much less villainous) or heavily toned down.
The creators are so determined to make the characters instantly likable that they watered down any of their supposed "problematic" traits. But forgot that in doing so (without adding new traits), you end up with much blander characters who are no longer as interesting as they could have been. This makes it even harder to build natural rapport or interject conflict between characters. Katara, esp., has zero personality and all of her scenes are excruciatingly boring to watch.
By far, it's the characters and their relationships/growth that made the original Avatar so unforgettable and yet, the showrunners don't seem to understand this. If they did, they wouldn't have skimped on all the relationship building and character work. Everything's rushed to the point where none of the emotional beats feel earned and it's like the characters are just going through the motions because the director says so rather than experiencing it all organically.
I really don't understand why the showrunners didn't prioritize their characters above all else and make sure they're all well developed enough for the audience to fall in love with them. After all, people will forgive anything as long as they care about your characters...
And despite all the bad writing, I could've at least stay engaged as long as our cast has amazing chemistry, but alas, it's just not there...I'm bored to death.
Overall, the writing and acting just isn't good enough to hold my interest...One Piece Live Action is still the gold standard when it comes to adaptations -at least they concentrated on character writing and relationships above all else.
I watched atla as a adult and immediately thought “I am so sad I will never be able to watch this again for the first time” the show is perfection and I am interested to see it in this medium but nervous as always
It truly is such an impactful piece of media and I recommend to everyone.
not to mention the fact that we didn’t need a live action remake bc it was always INTENDED for animation
The main thing about the show that I feel like makes people still watch it into adulthood besides its genius storytelling is the fact that the immaturity, humor, and seriousness of the show is balanced so incredibly well that it works great for both audiences and I def think this is gonna take on a more serious and adult tone which kinda ruins it for me
I agree, it’s also unrealistic. War doesn’t just make everyone’s clothes desaturated and no one tells jokes anymore. It’s a weird direction to go though a common one from Hollywood.
I too watched the show from beginning to end as it was airing. Avatar The Last Airbender is a show that one can watch at 12 and at 30 and its impact is still FRESH and strong , even after all these years.
The most disappointing thing about Hollywood and studios is that they don't take animation seriously enough. Animation can do SO many incredible things that a live action simply can't.
I feel your pain. I am right there with you. I'm going to watch the live action, but I have abandoned all hope of this adaptation being similar to my beloved original.
OMG, THIS! This is exactly what I thought when I read those quotes. And the GOT comparison just flipped me out, like, if it's going to be like GOT, you're missing THE point.
About Katara's character, the fact she is motherly is also directly linked to the fact she lost her mother very young and in a very traumatic way, so she would feel responsible for the caring of her father and brother because of that. Also, because of the ingrained sexism of the Water Tribe, she would automaticaly be put in this position of caretaker for being the only girl/woman of her family other than her grandmother, that would be older and couldn't take care of all of them. That is also very important for her characterization.
One thing that also drove me absolutely nuts: I read somewhere that they got rid of the Sozin's comet deadline, because ''we couldn't know exactly how old our actors would be for the subsequent seasons''. Like, EXCUSE ME??? I get that you have to deal with your actors aging, but just set the deadline in 3 years or something instead of one if that is a concern. You would still have the thing that Aang has to master the elements in a short time line (e.g. compared to Roku, who needed 16 years), but you got rid of the aging problem.
Removing that deadline takes away the main driving force of the show. I mean, yeah, the avatar has to master all elements and the fire nation needs to be defeated, but Sozin's Comet was really that 'all-or-nothing' point: the fire nation has to be defeated before, because otherwise the comet's strength will allow the fire nation to take complete control over the entire world. HOW are you going to REMOVE that ESSENTIAL point of the story and only introduce it in the next season??????
Because it takes time to film everything, and unlike animation, you can actively see the actors aging in live action.
They "got rid" of the ORIGINAL deadline because it's literally impossible for them to film the entire story without them aging, they didn't say anything about completely removing the deadline. Like you're this upset for what exactly? Where did you even read this? People are blowing the littlest things out of proportion I swear. I mean dude, they literally showed the comet in the trailer. What do you think is going to happen?? It obviously has to have a deadline or it would make zero sense being there. It's far more likely that instead of Roku saying "you must master the elements by summer's end" it will probably be something like "you must master the elements very soon" or something alluding to a deadline, just not with an exact date. Then we'll find out later, maybe in the library or something like that.
And it's the same with Sokka's sexism. They NEVER ONCE said they are completely getting rid of the plotline but people are acting as if they did. "Sokka's sexism was-" THERE IS NO "WAS", IT'S STILL THERE. Everything is going to naturally be toned down a bit because it's not a cartoon on Nickelodeon with animated and sound effects. The show would be ridiculous if it wasn't toned down. I just know the cast and producers are regretting opening their mouth by how absolutely unhinged people have been responding.
Just wait and see or don't watch it. Either way, the original show will always remain intact.
this whole video had me nodding along and saying EXACTLY at every point you made bc literally wtf...
I need ur review of the show so badly now that it's out😖😖
after i watched the trailer i immediately thought “I wonder what Hannah is gonna say”
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Came back to this vid after watching the live action half way PLSS DO A VID ON UR THOUGHTS
All Netflix and modern Hollywood in general cares about nowadays is appealing to people who are so stuck on trying to be ‘woke’ or ‘relevant’ that they ignore and suppress the real life struggles, flaws, cultures, and so much more, that make us exactly who we are: HUMAN.
All they had to do was write a NEW story set in that world PLEASE when will the people in charge understand no one wants reboots.
There's another good reason to have "detours" on the adventure besides supporting Aang's character: we, the viewer, and Aang too, get to see the world. We have fun there, we meet people we feel things for, and we see in person the world that needs saving. It's not just some place, it's a place we know and love, not just "people" in it, but distinct characters, so we feel even more urgent about the danger looming over them.
GIRL. You were correct about literally everything. ITS WORSE than anything we could’ve ever imagined. It’s SO BAD.
as someone who knows nothing about the avatar the last airbender, i just love how passionate you are about it. it's because of people like you that changes are made in different forms of art and these big companies aren't allowed to just put out pure trash to cash out on it and disrespect long time fans. it's so important to talk about these things and create noise.
Mayne it's time to change the fact that you don't know avatar....
i am actively working on that as we speak@@ellealine4159
They didn't need to remove Sokka's sexism. They should have expanded on it, tbh. Like when he forces a kiss on Suki shutting her up when she's talking (even is she likes him too this isn't ok). It was iffy and they could have addressed it. She should have been mad, then sokka has to work through his sexism and apologized, learning, it could have worked as a character growth moment.
Also they could have worked on Aang's sexism too. He literally forces himself on katara, kissing her, dismissing her when she had already told him she didn't want to be in a romamtic relationship at the time. And this is never addressed either in the original series, just brushed off. (Yes even if she ends up liking him too, this isn't ok.) Why don't they mention they're gonna work on that?? On expanding and building this relationship to it's healthier. And yes they should have worked on Katara being motherly towards Aang while at the same time both being attracted to each other, because that's weird. But they can just develop Katara and Aang's characters so that by season 3 they are more like partners and colleagues than Katara mothering Aang. But her being soft and moderly is a key part of her trauma and upbrining, she had to grow up too fast (like so many other young girls do in the world). She can be that AND eventually still be soft and nurturing but not the mom of the group, maybe when everyone else also has development and become more independent and responsible. They didn't need to remove it entirely just evolve it, along with her maturing and dealing with her trauma.
There were actually problematic stuff in the original animated series they could have addressed, but instead they chose to remove any difficult, controversial complex topics to make it more palatable. And because aparently modern audiences can't cope with complex themes I guess... Oh, we are we living in censure times.
I would have so much rather another animated version with a new avatar like Legend of Korra. This is so sad.
i wonder if a lot of the change comes from how all recent shows/seasons are only 8 episodes long. like how are you supposed to put 20 episodes of content into ONE 8 episode season
personally i haven’t been a fan of 8-12 episode seasons, like take me back when every show season was like 20 episodes!!!! more content!!!!
That might make sense if the run time was not the same. 8-1 hour episodes (480 mins) vs 20-24 min episodes (480 mins).
Everyone talking about Bryan and Mike, while all I can think about is Aaron. I felt his absence already in Legend of Korra
Yeah I personally loved Korra but it was VERY different than atla. Totally different vibe.
@@Toribell1928 i couldn't get into it tbh. The message and moral of the story seemed so vastly different, sometimes even going against what ATLA stood for
I actually liked Korra as a protagonist a lot more than Aang. Her starting as hot-headed and overconfident, but learning to be more humble and focused was pretty cool. I love those types of characters in general
@isaa1782 I mean, it's a different show. Having the same message over and over again would be repetitive, wouldn't it?
@@WaltDevil060 that's not what I meant. For example, ATLA respectfully addressed many sensitive topics, meanwhile in TLOK that was done very heavy-handed to say at least. Like making Bolin's abusive relationship a joke or how team avatar 2 basically looked down on poor people in ba sing se (compare their reaction to that of team avatar 1). Same goes for inspirations and worldbuilding. TLOK basically destroyed the whole concept of the world making this true evil vs. true good (so God vs. Satan?) thing which doesn't fit in any way. The show did not feel new but simply not in line with what was established in ATLA before 🤷🏻♀️
My question is why make a live action when they could just animate the continuation of the story? 🤨
I really love your channel. The problem with Sokka is the way he is translated from animation. In the animated version, the way they draw his expressions are really exaggerated as it is a kid's show. In the live action version, the actor has to play that charisma whilst maintaining an air of subtlety, as if he copied the animated version, it would seem fake and over-acting.
I think a lot will change like Shadow and Bone because they're worrying that they won't get another season. Which is stupid. Season 1 has a good arc they can follow if they end up not getting another season
Shoulda done Appa practically, stylized as one of those Chinese puppets.
The show actually looks good (aesthetically). But so many shows now just don’t understand that character development exists and that it is often more important than plot. The side quests were often annoying but they were an effective device for character development. Someone doing “bad” things (especially a kid/teen) and learning a clear lesson from them does not make them a bad person!!! That’s how us as kids could learn important lessons from this show and it have a lasting impact 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Why was this sooo accurate in retrospect. You really nailed where it went wrong
insta click. i had a little bit of hope for the new show by the casting and first teaser, but all of it was crushed so hard this past week or so that i will NOT be tuning in. i'm sure i'm not the only one.
We need a full philosophical dissection of ATLA from you because I could listen to you talk about Avatar all day! Thank you for your videos!❤
Can we stop the negativity. Just watch it. Saying it's a mess is so negative.
i know it's going to be a hot mess, but i'm delulu and still going to watch it
same 😭
@@AClockworkReaderyou say you’re going to watch it and yet here you are complaining about nothing.
It really sounds like this is being adapted by people who didn’t like the original story. I really didn’t like it as a child because I remember Aang being very annoying because he acted like a child (as he should, since he is one). It seems like these writers thought the same thing and decided to ignore that part of his characterization because of it. If you don’t like the world and characters you have no business writing this show.
Also, I'm adding here about the whole heading to the North Pole. Two things, firstly they were going up there to find a water bending teacher for Katara, and then also Aang when he learns that there is a time limit to learning the elements. And the fire nation attacked because they knew Aang was at the North Pole. So this vision thing ignores the actual reasons why they were going in the first place, and I do wonder what this means for both of these characters.
I recommend reading Nothing Ever Dies by Viet Thanh Nguyen ... he writes directly about Hollywood's obsession with the macabre focusing on the Vietnam War. Talks about everything you mentioned on the things they are hollywoodifying.
For the creators of this remake to devalue the original series as "just a kids show" goes to show that they absolutely did not watch it and they absolutely do not understand it.
Sure, it was a kids show. But you know what else it was? a show about WAR. A show where a father purposefully and hatefully physically mutilated his own THIRTEEN YEAR OLD child for something as simple as speaking his mind. Then sends him on, for what anyone knew, was a literal snipe hunt that he'd NEVER succeed. (This same father, years earlier was going to KILL his own child "just because" basically. )
This is a show where a young boy watches his family die and is so deeply traumatized by it that he loses his humanity as a literal guerrilla terrorist hiding in the trees with a few dozen other KIDS who can assume were orphaned or displaced at the hands of the Fire nation.
This is a show where a father has to abandon his children to go to war, causing his daughter to force herself to grow beyond her years.
THIS IS A SHOW WHERE FIRE BENDING HITLER WANTS TO DESTROY EVERY OTHER NATION. Not only does he want to kill them, he was going to BURN THEM TO DEATH.
But yeah, just a kids show, right? Game of thrones, huh? Oh boi I can't wait until Sokka and Katara f*ck each other!..there's enough R34 of that, so I guess it's possible.
90 percent of all TV adaptations are trash. See Wheel of Time
A lot of the “little adventures” team avatar goes on need to happen. It’s essential to the ending of the show. That’s how they also meet so many people that help them in the last season. The adventures also help Aang grow as the avatar. He sees how these people are living without the avatar being present in the world, the one thing that brings balance.
Also Sokka was very misogynistic, but throughout the show he changed a lot.
The whole point of the show is to show how the characters have changed and overcome their pasts. Like dude no one condones anyone’s bad behaviors in the show.
I also think that the decision not to show what happened exactly at the Air Nomad genocide is a kind of atmospheric decision. It's something that happened a looong time ago, and became more of a legend. By not actually experiencing it and only hearing about it by word of mouth, we're put in the position most of the word's residents are in.
Anyway, I hope it will be still good, despite my mounting worry... *crosses fingers*
Returning to this video after enduring the physical pain inflicted by watching the live-action version. 💀💀
seriously. I think I've been sick and depressed after watching it lol
I told the kiddo about the changes they did to the new version of ATLA, and her 8 year old brain asked “why would they ruin it like that?”
Not everything animated needs to be made live action, I feel like they took the wrong messages out of the failure that was the movie.
To this day she refuses to watch the movie because she thinks it’s going to be me torturing her lol
Wonder if they’ll end up toning down or removing Katara’s healing powers because that’s a “traditionally feminine” role.
I'm going to watch this video TWICE, because your arguments and opinions are so good and valid and I agree soo much with them that I don't even know what to write anymore, but I love you for making that video! ♥
im always begging these movie studios to stop doing live action adaptations bc what do live actions bring over the original animated film ???? like if they're trying to make it more "grown", the amount of cgi required in a live action atla feels more cartoony than the real animated show. Plus, using real kid actors means a lot needs to be cut out to keep filming as fast as possible before they age out of the role ... just more disadvantages than advantages i feel
I also feel like not showing the genocide of the Air Nomads is meaningful because it brings us closer to Aang's perspective. There's something even bleaker to me about the fact it's already over, that the fight was lost 100 years ago. The Nomads are gone and there is nothing left to be done about it. We will never get to know their final moments, see their perspective of events. Actually showing the massacre takes away from that sense of loss and powerlessness. It makes for a less interesting and thematically coherent telling of the story, with all the added negatives of gratuitous violence.
I don't feel like a live action version of a tv show is really needed. Like, it was an original tv show and now it's live action, which doesn't make sense to me because animation was the perfect medium to display what the creators wanted to show in the first place. We'll see what happens when it gets released but I don't have high hopes about it
the thing about wanting to appeal to fans of game thrones is so silly, you won't be the next game of thrones, stop trying, it's a different show
I just wanna know. With everything they've removed from the plot & individual story arcs, like...what is this show even gonna be about anymore???
shout-out to the Braving the Elements podcast, which I just learned is back now for season 3 and is a complete delight that features Janet Varney and Dante Basco (voice actors of Korra and Zuko) talking about each episode of the original series and related topics! Absolutely going to be more fun and thoughtful than the Netflix series.
I CANNOT wait for your reviews 😂
At this point i might just rewatch the animated series for the nth time
I'm also a really a big fan of the animated show! Has been a big part of my life since childhood and I basically have rewatched it every single year. I've been so anxious about this live action and what you talked about in this video are exactly my concerns too!
I love your rant on the death of literary analysis and critical thinking. FACTS It’s so frustrating and it just keeps happening across different medias.
Watching the trailer the thing that immediately stood out to me was Sokka's humour. Like a it's so childish. He was actually funny in the show even watching it as an adult. I can't stand the fact they're removing his sexism from the show because it's "bad" duh, it's supposed to be. I know so many men like sexist Sokka who need an PUT IN THEIR DAMN PLACE like he was. When we remove the nasty bits from television we stop giving a voice to the Suki's and Katara's of the world who had to deal with such crap. I'd actually argue it's more sexist to remove it than keep it in. When is Hollywood going to understand!!
I think Avatar will be disappointing and the bits that are good will be riding on the original show HARD. Like Azula and Zuko I think will be pretty good and the same maybe with Iroh. I'm worried about Sokka, Aang, Katara, Toph. The trailer looked so MCU. I'm actually debating not watching it. This show helped me through moments in childhood and my depression. I can't stand to have it be bad.
They said they toned down the sexism it isn't removed. And katara will have her fight with the northern waterbender. Toph is in season 2 .
I agree with your comment but also have to ask since it has been A WHILE since I watched avatar so I don’t remember anymore. But was sokka put into place for sexist behavior? Bc if being put into place means he says and does something, he gets knocked over the head and it’s basically like some comedy moment, nothing changes about his behavior and we see it again and again after that - that wouldn’t mean he’s being put into place. If that is what happens then yeah tone it down in the live action bc that shit won’t translate in a live action and honestly imo doesn’t need to be there in that form (bc again that would just mean him being sexist is a joke and he’s being hit over the head but nothing changes)
@@cinnamonroll96That's not really what happened. He gets his ass beat but also a talking to from Suki and Katara. I don't think he continues being sexist after that, just a goofball. I think
Please please please!! I need a video of your opinions on the actual show!!! Spoiler: you are right in everything🥹
It's out now! Maybe a reaction video?
The mention of violence reminds me how bending specifically was designed to allow for fight scenes without gratuitous violence. You still got the spectacle and the compelling dynamics of a fight scene, but bending makes it palatable to all audiences and less brutal.
Whoever is making this show has to be particularly conceited because they literally had access to the original creators at first and somehow disregarded that and decided instead that they can tell the story better by erasing a critical part of one of the main characters’ character arcs (and, as you said, it’s not just Sokka. Multiple other characters encounter the sexism in this universe for a reason).
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say I’ll just be skipping this and will rewatch the original instead.
Can’t wait for your thoughts on the show, though, if you watch it!!
I *really* hate to defend these decisions, because A) I don't support this show in *general,* I think live-action remakes are a plague and I wasn't even on board when Bryke were involved; and B) I could easily end up being wrong and it could be executed as poorly as everyone is expecting.
THAT BEING SAID. Respectfully, I think some people are going way too overboard with some of these reactions. I don't actually think that Sokka's initial sexism is some kind of integral and necessary character trait that couldn't be toned down. It would not be that hard for a writer to find some other kind of conflict to base those other scenes on--especially since they said the sexism was 'toned down,' not removed entirely.
And the most important thing I think needs to be remembered is--from what I can tell, most of these are not official statements made by the writers or anything, they are casual comments, taken out of context, from the ACTORS. These actors are pretty young, and more importantly, aren't the writers. They may not fully understand the rationale behind why the writers made the choices they did--and even if they did, they may not be able to articulate that reasoning terribly well in an unscripted interview.
I'm NOT gonna watch it AT ALL...i hate to say it but they have WHITEWASHED the show...
All the "TONING DOWN" and Sokka and Katara...very white passing...wtf!?!?!?!? Such a punch to the gut for the people of color, HATE NETFLIX...I'm never supporting netflix whatsoever! Sokka character in the live action is just wrong...and the changes, they better STOP anymore live actions, but tbh...damage is done!
😭😭😭 I'm literally crying...the show was, is and will be PERFECTION, yet there are people who took the show out of context and trying to make it "MULAN IS NOT A SUPERHERO"..."AVATAR IS NOT A SEXIST" while being SEXIST THEMSELVES!!! They lied about Mulan and they gonna mis-depict and mis-read the ATLA show too!!!!
I'M REAL MAAADDDDDD!!!!🤬🤬🤬
Never Supporting Netflix Ever Again. Period.
Omg this video is gonna be hilarious I KNOW how much of a hater you're gonna and I'm HERE for it. Bc wtf did they even do with the show??? Who even wanted a live-action?? The fact that the original writers have quit? It's AWFUL and the things I've been seeing on Twitter made me think this will be the worst piece of media in existence 😭
Comparing ATLA to Game of Thrones is just… why?
because they don’t understand atla in the slightest 😭
Would you like me to tell you why they said that or do you not care?
@@AClockworkReader clearly not lol. When I heard the original creators left, I was out immediately. I’ve already seen ATLA. I don’t want to watch the inevitably inferior version.
Apparently Netflix wants to appeal to Game of Thrones fans. Here's how to do that:
1) put your laptop down, turn it off, delete that thought from your mind, do not even ever think of that ever again, you will piss off everyone. Season 8 was a flop. To appeal to GoT fans, your show will follow GoT season 8 and lose all trust, all credibility.
Changes to the story were inevitable. The detours couldn’t possibly work in a live adaptation due to budget and limited time. But I still hope whatever they did makes sense
I think the fan base gives Brian and Mike too much credit. Every few years they put their full support behind a live-action effort and talk about creating new animated content. After a bunch of hype, they ubruptly leave the project because of creative issues. I feel like it's their way of staying relevant. If they cared about the integrity of Avatar: The Last Airbender, why keep pimping it out. Why not leave it as is, because it's basically perfect as an animated series. Instead, finally make good on their word to create new content in the Avatar universe.
I don't think Avatar needs to be live action. I don't think most animated media needs to be remade in live action. We're all gonna' watch the first episode though at the very least. All we can do is hope Netflix really tried, and then go watch the animated version again.
Didn’t they leave the movie version too? Why do they keep leaving??? I say that could have stood by what they say or do it at all. It’s giving flaky vibes.
@@DanielleP0314 For sure!
It lowkey reminds me of how Shadowhunters kept making changes to "be more progressive" but then actually did things worse. Like making Clary and Izzy fast friends to "not pit women against each other" but then giving most of Izzy's most interesting storylines to Alec instead
Damn I never thought the ATLA community was this closed off and judgemental.
I love the show so much and have rewatched it numerous times but I'm open to this adaptation and will judge it AFTER it comes out. I just think everyone is jumping way too fast on this hate train before the show has even come out based on some statements (that in my opinion are being misconstrued). I am especially surprised/disappointed that one of my favorite UA-camrs is jumping on this as well, I love your videos and critiques and I was looking forward to what you were gonna say about this one, but only after actually watching, not based on all this drama. I guess I'm gonna stay off the internet until it comes out so as not to get poisoned by all the negativity 🙌
Completely lost me when you started to claim Toph and Azula dealt with sexism - Toph's arc was about ableism. Her family saw her as "frail" because she was blind and young, not because she was a girl.
Azula experienced absolutely 0 discrimination for being a woman. She was known as one of the greatest firebending prodigies and trained to be the "perfect" warrior from a young age, something we see in the first seen she has with dialog. Azula was immediately respected as a fierce leader amongst the Dai Li, took over every room she entered as the fire nation princess, and was feared the world over. The same goes for Mei and Tai Lee. We even saw female guards & warriors in the fire nation.
I'm not particularly excited about the remake but I just don't get a lot of this animosity. Why would we want the show to be a 1:1 adaptation? I'd rather have something that at least tries to be different even if it's not great. Don't get me wrong, the comments about Sokka do seem a bit misguided, but why would it be so bad to take his character in a different direction for this different show? It's so easy to fixate on faithfulness to the original, but it's just so boring! (...also yall are way too judgmental towards these poor kids.. they aren't writers, they aren't going to be able to articulate the writing process they weren't involved in during a casual interview)