Do We Actually Need Debt?

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    Is there such a thing as "good debt"? And how could something good cause so many issues? On top of this is there any way that we could just run an economy without debt and would we be better off for doing so. Well, it turns out we probably can, and in fact, there are many economies around the world today that are developing rapidly while going without this system that we just assume is a given.
    If we can critically explore these questions it will offer insight into how our modern financial system works, and why it means that despite our best efforts we are almost destined to go into a recession once every 10 years or so.
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    Chava, S. and Roberts, M.R., 2008. How does financing impact investment? The role of debt covenants. The journal of finance
    Holmstrom, B., 2015. Understanding the role of debt in the financial system.
    Frost, C.A. and Bernard, V.L., 1989. The role of debt covenants in assessing the economic consequences of limiting capitalization of exploration costs. Accounting Review
    Ariff, M., 1988. lsIamic banking. Asian‐Pacific Economic Literature
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  • @EconomicsExplained
    @EconomicsExplained  4 роки тому +74

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    • @blackmaster999
      @blackmaster999 4 роки тому

      FOOL! It's debt why Europe, America, Australia, Japan etc, economies are falling apart and poverty is increasing. An economy run on debt doesn't work which is why most people in Western countries have little to no wealth. Black countries in Africa and the Caribbean are the best-run economies people in Black countries have little debt and most people fully own their own homes unlike people in the west who rent and depend on mortgage.

    • @Jcewazhere
      @Jcewazhere 3 роки тому

      "[Homes] are just inert buildings that don't produce anything" I've never heard a better argument for installing solar panels and having a productive garden/basement mushroom farm/weed closet/etc :D

    • @gn3441
      @gn3441 3 роки тому

      Could robotics spell the end of capitalism?

    • @gn3441
      @gn3441 3 роки тому

      @peace leader But is that still capitalism? The advantages of automation are too great to pass for any business to stay competitive ergo, any business will end automatized. Therefore there won't be anyone with a job and then no customers. The only variable left is scarcity.

    • @gn3441
      @gn3441 3 роки тому

      @peace leader In general I agree with you, we are on the edge of mastering our destiny.
      Nevertheless capitalism is heading to is own end. The virtues it have are similar to survival fitness but the problem is that multinationals became too dominant because they can harvest and store resources and knowledge out-competing any other business. This is similar as Humankind have taken control over the rest of the species.
      On the other hand, robotics just makes all irrelevant.

  • @scaper12123
    @scaper12123 4 роки тому +154

    "Sometimes, people with lots of money don't necessarily have great ideas." Truer words have never been spoken.

    • @maximilian19931
      @maximilian19931 2 роки тому +6

      One name: ELON MUSK

    • @nimrod06
      @nimrod06 Рік тому +1

      Neither would they spot good ideas for lending money

  • @EconomicsExplained
    @EconomicsExplained  4 роки тому +1381

    Last time I was this early mortgage bonds were a solid asset class.

  • @GamerzShit
    @GamerzShit 4 роки тому +1834

    His search history:
    "Business people talking and smiling very happily."
    "Man on roids lifting weights epically and dramatically."
    "Homeless man on the street, very sad and shocking!"
    "Roses"
    "Burning roses"

    • @spicychad55
      @spicychad55 4 роки тому +53

      Also: "how to lengthen my UA-cam videos for maximum ad revenue"

    • @josephrobinson6171
      @josephrobinson6171 4 роки тому +69

      Spicy Chad i mean he doesn’t have any 10:30 kind of length videos really

    • @spicychad55
      @spicychad55 4 роки тому +2

      @@josephrobinson6171 if you look at his "Videos" section on his channel page, you'll see 98% of his videos are over 10 minutes within the past 7 months. This isn't a new thing for him, he is clearly gaming the system.

    • @patrickdolan1523
      @patrickdolan1523 4 роки тому +82

      @@spicychad55 You have no idea what gaming the system is. Making a video longer than 10 minutes is not gaming the system, making a video that is exactly 10:05 is gaming the system.

    • @Croz89
      @Croz89 4 роки тому +24

      I bet he has a huge shutterstock video bundle or something and just picks out a few each time. You can often get big packs of rather random stuff for a few tens of dollars.

  • @manofculture8026
    @manofculture8026 3 роки тому +170

    "First casualty of war being morals"♥️ That's why we love EE

  • @kaen_tqk3918
    @kaen_tqk3918 4 роки тому +626

    This channel is slowly making me want to take up economics.

    • @JamesAJ
      @JamesAJ 4 роки тому +76

      Dude same. This and r/wsb has actually gotten me to binge on investopedia, bloomberg, and a whole bunch of finance basics.
      What's happening to me?!?

    • @jacob9673
      @jacob9673 4 роки тому +81

      If you’re going to college get a science or math degree, it gives you a more rigorous quantitative background that helps you move into economics.

    • @furinick
      @furinick 4 роки тому +30

      A good teacher does wonders

    • @TylerSolvestri
      @TylerSolvestri 4 роки тому +28

      I love economics but I hate math lol

    • @allamasadi7970
      @allamasadi7970 4 роки тому +12

      @@JamesAJ I think the finance niche on UA-cam has blown up over the last few years

  • @mattbutler2692
    @mattbutler2692 4 роки тому +435

    Damn, you really be pumping these videos out like you're trying to put food on the table during a crisis

    • @tengkualiff
      @tengkualiff 4 роки тому +38

      probably since he is stuck at home

    • @19MAD95
      @19MAD95 4 роки тому +7

      Tengku Aliff that’s the joke

    • @Shvabicu
      @Shvabicu 4 роки тому +33

      I think he spends too much time on wsb and has to recoup his losses from derivatives gambling

    • @beback_
      @beback_ 4 роки тому +4

      Or just bored

    • @changyang1230
      @changyang1230 4 роки тому +12

      It’s probably good business - I bet videos about economy is even more popular than usual in uncertain time like this.

  • @nurainiarsad7395
    @nurainiarsad7395 3 роки тому +53

    Fundamentally the difference between the two systems is that the interest-avoiding one forces capital lenders to have skin in the game and risk consequences.

    • @Sphere723
      @Sphere723 2 роки тому +1

      No, that is not a fundamental difference. If someone defaults on a traditional interest bearing loan, whoever holds the loan isn't somehow guaranteed to re-coup even the principle, much less the interest owed.

    • @jasonlin1013
      @jasonlin1013 2 роки тому +4

      @@Sphere723 not true, remember when banks were bailed out?

    • @KJ-od8wq
      @KJ-od8wq Рік тому +1

      @@jasonlin1013 the “bailout” that were loans that the companies had to pay back?

  • @chancellorpalpatine7486
    @chancellorpalpatine7486 4 роки тому +1106

    Americans: So the average net worth for all ages under 30 is now negative. That won’t have any unintended consequences.

    • @drjp4212
      @drjp4212 4 роки тому +100

      It's just how it works currently. Debt/leverage is like steroids: short term boom and long term crash.
      It isn't a "inherent Capitalism feature" as proposed by Marx, in the end.

    • @remasteredzero4076
      @remasteredzero4076 4 роки тому +97

      @@drjp4212 its a band-aid to keep the system running, but in the end it is just delaying the inevitable

    • @jackdeniston9326
      @jackdeniston9326 4 роки тому +10

      Has been this way for hundreds of years

    • @Dr_Bille
      @Dr_Bille 4 роки тому +85

      @@jackdeniston9326 So what? That doesn't mean it's a good system, or even sustainable. I think it's fairly obvious the current system cannot last forever, which a system a society is built on should be able to. It might last a few hundred years more, but eventually, it will all come crashing down, guaranteed

    • @-haclong2366
      @-haclong2366 4 роки тому

      @@drjp4212 will happen, though.

  • @joaovitormatos8147
    @joaovitormatos8147 4 роки тому +1372

    COVID: happens
    EE: *[goes into a monetarist rabbit hole]*

    • @stevencooper4422
      @stevencooper4422 4 роки тому +39

      FOLLOW THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD

    • @TV-mn1zd
      @TV-mn1zd 4 роки тому +2

      lol

    • @robertmiller6444
      @robertmiller6444 4 роки тому +28

      Was thinking the same thing. What happened - he used to get it right and make so much sense. Monetarism is just mercantilism 2.0.

    • @Ivanfpcs
      @Ivanfpcs 4 роки тому +40

      I'm LOVING it!!! I never though so much about debt before this videos!

    • @blacksnow7106
      @blacksnow7106 4 роки тому +5

      isn't most of us go into a rabbit hole?
      isn't that why the conspiracy theorists are going wild?

  • @devdixit2440
    @devdixit2440 4 роки тому +358

    Last time I was this early, triple +AAA rated mortgage bonds only had +AAA mortgages in them.

    • @tackontitan
      @tackontitan 4 роки тому +4

      Damn, that's early

    • @hellfun1337
      @hellfun1337 4 роки тому +2

      @@user-nf9xc7ww7m I think it only goes down to B

    • @reneroux2391
      @reneroux2391 4 роки тому +3

      @@user-nf9xc7ww7m watch the big short

    • @officialgamingmusify
      @officialgamingmusify 4 роки тому +1

      리주민 nope it goes all the way down to junk bonds which are usually debts that have little to no chance of being repaid

  • @mykeprior3436
    @mykeprior3436 4 роки тому +530

    Imagine making the banks responsible for what they're investing into and creating servitude for?
    GASP.
    Debt should've been a tool of last resort, never running the entire machine.

    • @denniskwan1906
      @denniskwan1906 4 роки тому +11

      Debt is not a given - EE

    • @shriekinleada794
      @shriekinleada794 4 роки тому +9

      Can’t fund a loan without a debtor. It’s a two way street.

    • @Eric149162536
      @Eric149162536 4 роки тому +19

      Banks already have an interest in checking businesses though. Individuals too. Banks ALREADY lose money if their borrower goes bankrupt under the current system.

    • @keldonlemon
      @keldonlemon 4 роки тому +2

      Myke Prior we'll said mate.

    • @monad_tcp
      @monad_tcp 4 роки тому +35

      @@Eric149162536 not if they are bailed out by the gov every time

  • @songofyesterday
    @songofyesterday 4 роки тому +115

    "Houses are not productive assets" ...unless you're in Asia, where it's perfectly legal to vend street food from your porch. Man I miss street food on every corner.

    • @peterrose5373
      @peterrose5373 3 роки тому +7

      This is a zoning problem. and it's created by the municipality, not the nation. Build your house in a neighborhood business or mixed use zone.

    • @heatherswanson1664
      @heatherswanson1664 3 роки тому +18

      The problem is North America is pretty much exclusively built on the single use zones.

    • @SherrifOfNottingham
      @SherrifOfNottingham 3 роки тому +8

      Fun fact about Houston...
      The reason you can't sell street food from your house has nothing to do with the law, as there's no city held zoning laws, the problem is that HOA's and residential developments have their own rules built into that specific community.

    • @zjzr08
      @zjzr08 3 роки тому +6

      Here in the Philippines, we have "sari-sari" stores, which are household convenience stores that you don't need to go out to the main road to get to busy convenience stores like 7-Eleven to buy arguably more expensive items; easy to buy pieces, rather than bulks (which retailers who do sell, do) -- wonder how many other countries do this.

    • @vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906
      @vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906 3 роки тому

      @@zjzr08 I think SE Asian countries and India have similiar stores

  • @masterofpureawesome
    @masterofpureawesome 4 роки тому +512

    Mr Nook: The Bells, hand them over

    • @riyvk
      @riyvk 4 роки тому +18

      *points gun at you*
      Your Liver, hand it over

    • @jamescanjuggle
      @jamescanjuggle 4 роки тому +2

      Mr Nook: Those bells you got there better be for me, Toss Boy. Trigger fingers been twitchy all week and it be a shame to lose those knee caps of yours if I were to slip.

    • @Pi-Face
      @Pi-Face 4 роки тому +1

      Send in the raccoon goons!

  • @duo496
    @duo496 4 роки тому +187

    Economics of stock footage day 3

    • @EconomicsExplained
      @EconomicsExplained  4 роки тому +130

      doing my part for the stock footage creators

    • @Jegria
      @Jegria 4 роки тому +12

      @@EconomicsExplained It's my favourite part of your videos. My life wouldn't be the same without them!

    • @xerogue
      @xerogue 4 роки тому +1

      do you know where they are sourced?

    • @perpotet4629
      @perpotet4629 4 роки тому +1

      We need this.

  • @benjaminbrand60
    @benjaminbrand60 4 роки тому +620

    “Is there such a thing as good debt?”
    *Dave Ramsey has entered the chat*

    • @chrisbrown6168
      @chrisbrown6168 4 роки тому +55

      What's your monthly income?

    • @MrTripleAgamer
      @MrTripleAgamer 4 роки тому +16

      That's what I was thinking ! Love Dave 👍

    • @brycecaulkins7662
      @brycecaulkins7662 4 роки тому +22

      Even Dave Ramsey allows for a mortgage...

    • @jmitterii2
      @jmitterii2 4 роки тому +12

      @@brycecaulkins7662 That's because he has a house to sell to you, and if he's not selling that house to you, he's depending you being a ding bat bidding that house up so his house is sold just as high if not higher.
      :) Dave is a biggest swindler going to the churches to peddle is gimmick. What a great guy. Laughs his behind all the way to the bank.

    • @MK_ULTRA420
      @MK_ULTRA420 4 роки тому +17

      @@jmitterii2 R I C E A N D B E A N S

  • @mulllhausen
    @mulllhausen 4 роки тому +74

    Re: housing - you should have talked about how someone on a teacher's salary in the 1950s used to be able to buy a house outright after saving for something like 4 years.

    • @l30588
      @l30588 3 роки тому +4

      Gotta remember how many people there were in 1950 vs today, way more demand for housing

    • @mulllhausen
      @mulllhausen 3 роки тому +6

      ​@@l30588 house prices have tripled since 2000 in the uk for example. and around the western world house prices have at least doubled since 2000. the population has not tripled or doubled since 2000 though.
      www.mansionglobal.com/articles/u-k-home-prices-tripled-in-two-decades-210729
      >To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble.
      www.nytimes.com/2002/08/02/opinion/dubya-s-double-dip.html

    • @bprosperie
      @bprosperie 3 роки тому +2

      My grandparents paid $600 for a nice 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house.

    • @DiscoFang
      @DiscoFang 3 роки тому +1

      @@mulllhausen Cash house price is a red herring. As pointed out in this video, access to debt on a tangible asset is how we buy that roof over out head. And as pointed out in the first comment of the this thread, it's been that way since the 60's and 70's. Houses were already "unaffordable" in cash terms in the 2000s and a 20-30 year mortgage was fairly typical. Mortgage interest rates since 2000 have plummeted (the base rate from 6% down to 0.5%, actual fixed rates from 8-9% down to 2-3%) and the same 20-30 year loans are the norm.

    • @mulllhausen
      @mulllhausen 3 роки тому +1

      @@DiscoFang credit and low interest rates are the direct cause of high house prices

  • @evlee1295
    @evlee1295 3 роки тому +41

    "wait, it's all debt?"
    "always had been 🔫"

  • @halvey8518
    @halvey8518 4 роки тому +61

    8:30 "No hate still love ya Graham”
    What a great example by showing us our personal real estate mogul😂

  • @Jessie_Helms
    @Jessie_Helms 4 роки тому +159

    The part about housing is exactly what’s wrong with college loans.
    Most people could afford college back when the only way to get in was to pay for it, now that just about anyone can go to college for just about any degree and go into debt.

    • @eriksvensson2098
      @eriksvensson2098 4 роки тому +11

      Same as the housing crisis just a different subject.

    • @alegekelso
      @alegekelso 4 роки тому +13

      This could also be carried over to healthcare

    • @AnishJBhave
      @AnishJBhave 4 роки тому +17

      However unlike a house a college education can actually be economically beneficial in the long run

    • @stafer3
      @stafer3 4 роки тому +24

      “Most people could afford college back when the only way to get in was to pay for it”
      If most people could afford it then, why more people has it now?
      Percentage of college graduates in US
      1940 - 4,6%
      1950 - 6,2%
      1965 - 9,4%
      1975 - 13,9%
      1980 - 17%
      1990 - 21,3%
      2000 - 25,6%
      2010 - 29,9%
      2015 - 32,5%
      2019 - 36%

    • @huguesjouffrai9618
      @huguesjouffrai9618 4 роки тому +7

      @@AnishJBhave wtf, a house provides shelter for a whole family for a very long time: do you really think that this doesn't have economic value?
      Of course it has. And when you stop living in it you can still rent it and it will provide a steady income (just like your college education: both are investments)

  • @jeremygibbs7342
    @jeremygibbs7342 4 роки тому +9

    I wish there was a debt class in junior high and high school. I only had a ...two week lesson? It is so complex and vast that a whole semester should be spent on learning this stuff

  • @ForgottenLore
    @ForgottenLore 4 роки тому +219

    If only i was this early for my actual economics class. :)

    • @EconomicsExplained
      @EconomicsExplained  4 роки тому +99

      eh well if it makes you feel any better at least you won't get stared at for showing up in you pyjamas anymore.

    • @ForgottenLore
      @ForgottenLore 4 роки тому +5

      @@EconomicsExplained :D

  • @renxy548
    @renxy548 4 роки тому +128

    Money is so outdated. In 2100, we trade bottle caps

    • @wigglebot2368
      @wigglebot2368 4 роки тому

      RIP

    • @stonie658
      @stonie658 4 роки тому +5

      They will be hard to come by, just like money.

    • @physe8052
      @physe8052 4 роки тому +6

      [New Vegas intensifies]

  • @JackRackam
    @JackRackam 4 роки тому +13

    I have to say, I love these speculative mometary theory videos. I'm not always sold on everything you present, but I love that you're presenting new ways to think about money that had never occured to me before

    • @artski09
      @artski09 4 роки тому

      you going to do a video about some crazy banker or merchant?

    • @tisFrancesfault
      @tisFrancesfault 4 роки тому +1

      As a point Europe always had banking, and Islamic Banking isn't actually new to the west, we just call them hedge funds these days.

  • @mog7501
    @mog7501 4 роки тому +12

    For some reason, the more I watch and learn from this channel, the more depressed and frustrated I get about how the world is run. I don't think this was the intended side effect but for some reason I can't not think this way anymore. Great content btw!

    • @kylepongos4532
      @kylepongos4532 3 роки тому +8

      That's just the nature of the beast. The fundamental principle of economics is "unlimited wants from limited resources."

  • @25usd94
    @25usd94 4 роки тому +85

    Leverage is a tool, like a saw. It's the users choice whether to cut a tree or saw your arm off

    • @jadepenn7407
      @jadepenn7407 3 роки тому +7

      Make a dangerous tool safer and still performs the task well

    • @bersah4517
      @bersah4517 3 роки тому +1

      Very well said 25 $

    • @apricotcomputers3943
      @apricotcomputers3943 3 роки тому

      Yep

    • @rashkavar
      @rashkavar 3 роки тому +9

      Leverage is the chainsaw of the financial world: Swing it carefully in measured amounts, you get a LOT done. Play around like it's a lightsaber, and someone loses an arm and a leg.

    • @Acid31337
      @Acid31337 3 роки тому

      Better not to give any extra tool to politicians.

  • @saminyead1233
    @saminyead1233 4 роки тому +47

    Thank you so much for addressing Islamic finances here! I am a Muslim, and I myself struggled for quite a while how Islamic finances work (I'm not a finance student anyway). Now, thanks to your video, I understand the merits! Allah bless you!

  • @renchesandsords
    @renchesandsords 2 роки тому +6

    I think one way of thinking of debt is desperately jumping into a well to get water, after the water is gone, you can either climb out and try to look for another source or just dig yourself deeper

  • @ozzyfromspace
    @ozzyfromspace 3 роки тому +14

    7:10 (rough transcript) “Most people in developed cities don’t have enough money to just buy homes, and if you do... hey, how ya doin”? Patreon link in the description” 😂😂😂😂😂 I love this guy

  • @hpdpco6634
    @hpdpco6634 4 роки тому +259

    So an islamic bank is like a holdings company? And if you are a depositor, you are actually an investor in a holdings company. So its actually owning a stock. Not much different from investing in the stock market where you own shares of the company.

    • @budi5361
      @budi5361 4 роки тому +127

      Yup, more or less that's how islamic banking works. However they won't invest to bussines that considered haram like alcohol, tobacco, gambling, etc. And there is a symbolic oath that you have take before you take 'loan' from islamic banking, it's like you are swearing that the money you got will only use for something good. Pretty much a good idea

    • @hpdpco6634
      @hpdpco6634 4 роки тому +75

      @@budi5361 i love the idea! I would love to invest in an islamic bank even if im not muslim.

    • @budi5361
      @budi5361 4 роки тому +55

      @@hpdpco6634 well yeah, all the islamic banks that i know welcome everyone regardless of their beliefs.

    • @vengefulavenger3998
      @vengefulavenger3998 4 роки тому +15

      @@hpdpco6634 try gatehouse bank in the UK

    • @tisFrancesfault
      @tisFrancesfault 4 роки тому +27

      The hedge fund is basically the same concept, but everyone hates them. **Shrugs**

  • @qubex
    @qubex 4 роки тому +227

    Islamic banking maintains “skin in the game” for the originators, to use Nassim Taleb’s terminology.

    • @vengefulavenger3998
      @vengefulavenger3998 4 роки тому +56

      @marios gianopoulos they have charity for the poor as well

    • @khrashingphantom9632
      @khrashingphantom9632 4 роки тому +44

      James Junghanns True because the belief is that interest "makes a person a slave".

    • @vengefulavenger3998
      @vengefulavenger3998 4 роки тому +12

      @@user-nf9xc7ww7m Regardless of your religion, equity banking is an idea for everyone. (Except for the criminal banksters running our country of course).

    • @robertmiller6444
      @robertmiller6444 4 роки тому +5

      @marios gianopoulos No, they just disallow the use of the word "usury". They just go through complex machinations to make it look like usury isn't involved when it really is, it's just hidden and called something different. The simple reality is, no one is going to give up their use of their money and hand it over to you, at _their risk_ without something in return for that loss of use and incurring of risk. Why do people think that they are somehow owed the use of other people's money for free?

    • @earlh
      @earlh 4 роки тому +1

      They also charge higher rates than a normal bank would, so in practice you end up paying about the same if not more using their "interest-free" mortgage system.

  • @yungcripple
    @yungcripple 4 роки тому +54

    Me: Assumes
    Economics Explained: ASHUMES

    • @TheHellogs4444
      @TheHellogs4444 4 роки тому

      It's usually azzumes, spelled assumes even though it sounds nothing like ace-umes

    • @xandercorp6175
      @xandercorp6175 3 роки тому +3

      @@TheHellogs4444 None of the major English-speaking countries pronounce it "azzumes". This is not entirely your fault, as you are simply repeating a mispronunciation; but in the modern era where information is freely available, there is no reason you could not find out one of the proper pronunciations.

  • @crimsonfury949
    @crimsonfury949 4 роки тому +221

    Pay your bells or Tom Nooke will break your god damn kneecaps kids.

  • @qn5947
    @qn5947 4 роки тому +141

    Don't fall victim to be a debt slave. Having no debt, you will sleep better at night. Debts will lead to stress and will take a toll on your health and mental stability.

    • @jadefalcon001
      @jadefalcon001 4 роки тому +17

      Without debt I wouldn't have been able to hang on to my family home after my relatives living there died. I'm sleeping quite well at night knowing that that home stays in the family thanks to a 30-year mortgage.
      Don't insist that what works for you is universal. It isn't.

    • @parthasarathyvenkatadri
      @parthasarathyvenkatadri 4 роки тому +24

      @@jadefalcon001 I don't understand how does that work ... Shouldn't your family home be yours to begin with .. without any debt ....

    • @Parcian-
      @Parcian- 4 роки тому +25

      @@jadefalcon001 If you are indebted, this house is not yours. You just think it is.

    • @mrmeseeks8790
      @mrmeseeks8790 4 роки тому

      Debt itself is a mental state, not for every limpy sissy Tom.

    • @shriekinleada794
      @shriekinleada794 4 роки тому +11

      jadefalcon001 lmao the bank owns the home mate, not you

  • @jaioxung
    @jaioxung 3 роки тому +6

    A very succinct and accurate explination of debt I once heard was "stealing value from the future and using it today". When you sign a loan for something you are literally robbing your future self...feels quite different when you think of it that way.

  • @ahmedhosny2412
    @ahmedhosny2412 4 роки тому +7

    Thank you very much for this explanation. I am a muslim and never understood islamic banking until now. You are absolutely brilliant.

  • @sebastiaosilva886
    @sebastiaosilva886 4 роки тому +67

    I would love to see your take on Government debt, like the case of Portugal and the impacts of too much out of control government debt

  • @katyoutnabout5943
    @katyoutnabout5943 4 роки тому +24

    7:23 well done. Smooth AF

  • @manishm9478
    @manishm9478 4 роки тому +1

    I keep coming back to this video to refresh myself on your points. Really interesting perspective you give here, and very different to the mainstream narrative around money and debt!

  • @googlechromulent2049
    @googlechromulent2049 4 роки тому +16

    If money can't buy happiness, I guess I'll have to rent it. :D

  • @caesx6537
    @caesx6537 4 роки тому +52

    If anyone is interested the music at the beginning was
    Trans Siberian Express - Luella Gren

  • @user-tl5ec2po1b
    @user-tl5ec2po1b 4 роки тому +199

    I wonder if the underground reptile societies use debt just like us?

    • @olli9764
      @olli9764 4 роки тому +51

      No, they live in perfect communism

    • @ogorangeduck
      @ogorangeduck 4 роки тому +21

      they secretly control all the debt and money in the world

    • @bazookapower88
      @bazookapower88 4 роки тому +16

      Anthony Kruna we usually just steal from you guys whenever we need something. Like no one notices when you buy a 3.52 bag of flammen hots and get my boi Vinny to just say that you bought them.

    • @TV-mn1zd
      @TV-mn1zd 4 роки тому

      Maybe

    • @user-tl5ec2po1b
      @user-tl5ec2po1b 4 роки тому +3

      @@olli9764 You speaking from experience comrade reptile?

  • @AliHSyed
    @AliHSyed 4 роки тому +2

    Dude, like sincerely thank you for posting so much. 🙏

  • @killianoregan9391
    @killianoregan9391 4 роки тому

    This channel is brilliant! Very thought provoking and interesting. After every video I’ve seen on this channel it just gets me thinking. Keep it up

  • @jesseteixeira6284
    @jesseteixeira6284 4 роки тому +59

    People talk about 'living within your means'. As far as I'm concerned, that means maintaining zero debt. Debt in itself was designed initially as a means to extend the purchasing power of the average person. However, history has shown that debt is addictive and often becomes so extensive that many cultures have written laws requiring periods of debt forgiveness to prevent the formation of insurmountable instability in the economic system. To have debt is to live beyond your means. To pursue the furtherance of debt is to destabilize the pillars of society. When inequality grows, society suffers and decays.
    Also, this argument is predicated on the necessity of landlords and treating things like housing as a private commodity. As he admits, housing is a vital good. If you don't have a home, you are vastly more likely to die of exposure. Basic health and housing should be treated as a right. Being a landlord is not a job, and should never be classified as one. Landlords are not a necessity. They can be replaced by community organizations like housing associations, which are more open to hearing your problems as long as you participate. Democracy is a good thing, and I honestly don't understand why people prefer living under what essentially amounts to micro-monarchy in the form of landlords.
    Now granted, I'm not saying we should socialize all housing; if someone wants to build a McMansion, they can go do that and sell it for whatever they want. But unless there is a metaphorical floor underneath people if they fall on hard times, then essentially you are condemning anyone with bad luck to an early grave. Everyone should be entitled to basic access to healthcare (doesn't even have to be the best healthcare, just enough that they don't die bankrupt), basic housing (again, doesn't have to be the best, but enough that they don't die of exposure), etc.
    It baffles me that basic human dignity in this form is so seldom taken seriously.

    • @semeeson
      @semeeson 4 роки тому +7

      MOstly agree here. Important to note is that personal good financial habits dont really connect to business or state level economic decisions, they play a whole different ball game.

    • @9justify
      @9justify 4 роки тому +13

      Stop arguing that housing is a human right,we needs alot of things to live and be productive.food medicine housing education are all essential to live a healthy and productive life,so where does the line stop,should goverment give free healthcare,housing,education food aka nationalize all those industry?doing that would not only mean goverment is responsible for providing those stuff,but also everyone will be working for the goverment.The state owns all the industries and is responsible for providing all the needs of the people,does that sound familiar?let me remind you soviet union collapsed from this state run economy,or the stories that it takes years to even ballot and get a lousy designed car from the state in yugoslavia

    • @DavidFernandez-od4fz
      @DavidFernandez-od4fz 4 роки тому +7

      Problem here is that the average person is incredibly uneducated and irresponsible with their money. “Landlords are not a necessity” is a faulty claim given that many people need to rent because they don’t have enough to buy; the problem of the landlord is one more of emotivity than practicality, just because people dislike them doesn’t mean they’re useless. With regards to basic access to healthcare, most first world countries have healthcare that is the greatest compared to the rest of the world. As for the basic housing, it should be a right, but if you don’t work, the government shouldn’t have to house you (unless you are deeply sick or unable), it just isn’t the taxpayer’s responsibility (and that’s who it typically falls under). The concept of the “community” is dead; at least in America, where there is little to connect the most ethnically diverse country on the planet beyond money. Companionship and camaraderie die when you have little in common with the guy next to you.

    • @pillmuncher67
      @pillmuncher67 4 роки тому +3

      No. Informal debt was how the economy worked in the neolithic and the early bronze age. Itr went something like this: "That's a nice cow you have there, neighbor!" - "Oh, you like it? Just take her, don't bother giving me something back, after all we're neighbors and love each other!" - now he owes you one. Three months later you walk up to him and say "Well, my son is really in love with your daughter...". Money was just a formalization and consolidation of that. The oldest money-like things we've found were IOUs, in Mesopotamia. Coins came about around 1,000 to 1,200 years later. As it turns out, they were invented as a tool in warfare. Look up David Graeber, he explains it.

    • @Origami84
      @Origami84 4 роки тому

      @@pillmuncher67 Lol at this, Pillmuncher. We don't know much about the neolithic, but the holes in the skull that we found - and the obvious scarcity or resource they must had combined with human nature - makes it much more likely that they guarded what little they had jealously and violently, because it was full of robbers more than ready to take it by force.

  • @nathanalexander-leduc9168
    @nathanalexander-leduc9168 4 роки тому +87

    Economics Explained: Do we actually need debt?
    Dave Ramsey: No.

    • @ricecake1228
      @ricecake1228 4 роки тому +7

      Everybody except economists: No

    • @olivercuenca4109
      @olivercuenca4109 4 роки тому +1

      @@MayDay90 Good debt only seems like good debt if you presume that the present will always be like the future.

  • @exPrimer13
    @exPrimer13 4 роки тому +2

    I must say man, I am not an economist by any stretch but all of this has been very fascinating to me recently. I had watched your videos in the past, but it wasn't until this crisis that I really started to dive in and research it. Your videos have been an invaluable tool to me to getting a better understanding of our society. Thank you for the effort you put in.

  • @RebelRyanP
    @RebelRyanP 4 роки тому

    Amazing video as always! I appreciate all your content and I hope you never stop making videos, I learn so much from you!

  • @621Tomcat
    @621Tomcat 4 роки тому +66

    Goddammit handsome sounding Australian man. I was going to sleep in my screwed up sleep schedule. Now I’m getting educated.

    • @sklitterbeer106
      @sklitterbeer106 4 роки тому +2

      I'd let EE hold me and sing me a lullaby

  • @jamespungello8361
    @jamespungello8361 4 роки тому +100

    Re: Mortgages. If we stopped allowing people to finance homes then the home prices might go down but wouldn't the rent prices skyrocket with all the new demand for rentals? Would that still be better?

    • @vengefulavenger3998
      @vengefulavenger3998 4 роки тому +34

      Rents couldn't skyrocket more than than the house price.
      So I guess the question is how much would the house prices collapse? 80%? 90%?

    • @georgeilynch2303
      @georgeilynch2303 4 роки тому +26

      Higher rents= Higher value for the infrastructure = More building = Equilibrium (without debt)

    • @jamespungello8361
      @jamespungello8361 4 роки тому +3

      @@vengefulavenger3998 Depends on the timeframe you're talking about. If you mean monthly payments then yeah but that's a huge gap between home price and current monthly rent (ie lots of runway for increased prices). Plus it doesn't really matter what the rent is if you can't purchase until you have 100% of the cash since you're given no option, you have to live somewhere.

    • @jamespungello8361
      @jamespungello8361 4 роки тому +2

      @@georgeilynch2303 But what about areas where they can't build enough to keep up with that? Wouldn't that also drive house prices up as the higher value as a rental property attracts investors with deep pockets?

    • @sedatmehmed4371
      @sedatmehmed4371 4 роки тому +12

      @@jamespungello8361 People will start moving someone else. You can't expect that the demand will be infinite for some area. After the rents skyrocket beyond certain level, workers will move somewhere else, where rentals are lower and create the next population center there. Also you are forgetting that if debt doesn't exist at all financial sector will not exist at all, so who will buy a lot of houses?

  • @pojke4130
    @pojke4130 4 роки тому

    Your videos are more educational than online school also its great that your Aussie, all these blokes online are from the states it’s good to have someone to watch from the same country keep up the great videos

  • @adventureshark631
    @adventureshark631 4 роки тому

    I watched this and kept thinking - so what so what so what, we can't go back. Then you came to your final thoughts...I was plesently surprised. If more people watched this and took it to heart it could actually help them. Thanks and I am glad I made it through the end.

  • @BusinessMadhouse
    @BusinessMadhouse 4 роки тому +62

    Awesome video! Been following you and your work has inspired me to start my own channel!

    • @sanketbajaj4641
      @sanketbajaj4641 4 роки тому +2

      some good content you've got chaotic finance

    • @sejalchandak8060
      @sejalchandak8060 4 роки тому

      Chaotic Finance awesome !

    • @surajkasat7251
      @surajkasat7251 4 роки тому

      Great work mate. Saw your video. Keep it up! Stay motivated

    • @ritwiksen868
      @ritwiksen868 4 роки тому

      Very well
      Have just subbe

    • @fitez7205
      @fitez7205 4 роки тому

      Loved your channel! Breaking down the basics! Much needed!

  • @JonnesTT
    @JonnesTT 4 роки тому +69

    Me a good german boi: I'm in university, I have to have at least 6 months of rent on my hands.
    Americans: I'm only 2 monthly salaries in, nah, I'm fine.
    That said, being raised by someone who's living in a "never take out a loan" mindset did give me anxious reactions every time I buy something big ._. So, maybe not so good.

    • @wumi2419
      @wumi2419 4 роки тому +8

      My parents and I don't buy a lot of "luxury" items, so there's a lot of money left every month. But sometimes huge spending happens and savings from few years are gone, but events like this are basically once in a lifetime spending

    • @rwatertree
      @rwatertree 4 роки тому +8

      When I was a kid I was so afraid of buyer's remorse that I saved nearly all of my allowance. It helped pay for my university books so it worked out okay.

    • @tuomio5043
      @tuomio5043 4 роки тому +2

      @@rwatertree I did this but with a car.

    • @portellio_the_space_rider9473
      @portellio_the_space_rider9473 4 роки тому +2

      My flatmate just moved out and took the TV. I went shopping to get a new one and then got stressed out about how much it would actualy cost.
      I don't have a TV...

    • @justin_time
      @justin_time 4 роки тому +2

      Germany tried to take over Europe twice by war and failed. Now it has the largest economy in Europe and is one of the largest in the world. Turns out the wars were never needed to conquer, just sound economic policy. Germany, playing the long game. The third time is the charm! Here we go - round 3! Leeeeeeeerrrrrrroooooooyyyyyyy Jenkiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnsssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @gabrielaponte6403
    @gabrielaponte6403 4 роки тому

    my favorite video made by this channel !!!! thanks for the great content!!!

  • @hamstersmailman5517
    @hamstersmailman5517 4 роки тому +4

    @2:00 is my favorite use of stock footage to date

  • @Jose-lc6nj
    @Jose-lc6nj 4 роки тому +29

    According to the us debt clock today april 19 2020 there are 439700$ of assets per citizen
    But at the same time 438485$ of liabilities per citizen
    This means the the American economy has almost the same amount of debt as it has of assets with a difference of only 1215$
    That difference was over 10k two months ago
    The fiat system is about to collapse sooner than we think

    • @Ali-gh7rj
      @Ali-gh7rj 4 роки тому +2

      I hope it does, have you seen NESARA act

    • @BrandonshanesProductions
      @BrandonshanesProductions 4 роки тому +5

      If the fiat system ends you are not gonna have a good time and if it ends the government probably isnt gonna switch to gold and stuff because its not practical

    • @Ali-gh7rj
      @Ali-gh7rj 4 роки тому +1

      Darius Lezama switch to bitcoin

    • @P3RF3CTD3ATH
      @P3RF3CTD3ATH 4 роки тому +14

      @@Ali-gh7rj yeah because a totally decentrilized currency that fluctuates like crazy is a great idea for countries to base their economy on.

    • @therealpotatomottz8706
      @therealpotatomottz8706 4 роки тому +2

      Oh boy. Let's hope this acts as a wake up call to the government, but who am I kidding. A pandemic won't even do that

  • @AdamTheBen
    @AdamTheBen 4 роки тому

    Thank you so much for this quality content, mind broadening and very interesting and relevant.

  • @stooge_mobile
    @stooge_mobile 4 роки тому

    Dude I was trying to be productive. My man, you release videos so often I can't even let the profound implications of the last one sink in before there's a new one. Loving the content!

  • @rodylermglez
    @rodylermglez 4 роки тому +11

    Debt is like running on gas that you will put on your car next month.

  • @TheMr77469
    @TheMr77469 4 роки тому +3

    I always wondered how non interest charging banks functioned. Thanks!

  • @danaziz1675
    @danaziz1675 4 роки тому +2

    That patron advertisement was just so smoothly added. Well played good sir

  • @ipeteagles
    @ipeteagles 4 роки тому

    the post of this vid on this topic is timely. excellent vid

  • @Palatineoffacts
    @Palatineoffacts 4 роки тому +25

    @5:35 is this a personal attack against me?

    • @EconomicsExplained
      @EconomicsExplained  4 роки тому +18

      Yes!

    • @hurgcat
      @hurgcat 4 роки тому +4

      protip: move to asia instead of living in your folks basement, its cheaper and the food tastes better

    • @alezacrespublik6655
      @alezacrespublik6655 4 роки тому +1

      @@hurgcat Just avoid Urban East Asia, the price is insane there

    • @Palatineoffacts
      @Palatineoffacts 4 роки тому +4

      @@hurgcat im already in india lol

  • @ZacharyLaid
    @ZacharyLaid 4 роки тому +27

    *money doesn't make the world go round, debt does.*

  • @prophetsspaceengineering2913
    @prophetsspaceengineering2913 4 роки тому

    Very interesting perspectives in there. I'm obviously late to the party, but I still wanted to say how much I appreciate videos with a more abstract view and showcases of alternative systems (that actually exist)

  • @thatnickid100
    @thatnickid100 4 роки тому

    Great vid man,absolutely loving these

  • @attalan8732
    @attalan8732 4 роки тому +4

    This was a very good video, but I was wondering if we could get more microeconomic videos in the future? Microeconomics are the building blocks of the economy but macroeconomics gets all the credit.

  • @Markos_von_Krieg
    @Markos_von_Krieg 4 роки тому +13

    Excellent video!
    I’ve always thought that without debt banks could simply not exist and then things wouldn’t be able to get done in an economy.
    Thank you for showing a usury-free alternative to banking!
    Equity exposed banking forever!
    I’m definitely going to look more into those Islamic banks some more.

    • @vengefulavenger3998
      @vengefulavenger3998 4 роки тому +4

      Equity banking is more sustainable in the long run. Trouble is debt banking is more profitable in the short run.

  • @kanishkgupta677
    @kanishkgupta677 4 роки тому

    you just getting better and this is the best video till now.

  • @eligrobin3815
    @eligrobin3815 4 роки тому +1

    I am surprised you didn't mention consumption smoothing in this video. It is essentially the purpose that consumer debt serves in an economy. With no debt, you have to live in a slum for 20 years to afford a house. But with debt, you get to immediately get the benefit of the house, but you have to pay it off for 30 years. The problem with too much debt is that we have allocated more consumption to now than we can actually afford. We borrow as if there are always better times ahead, and yet sometimes there are bad times ahead.

  • @dexzero
    @dexzero 4 роки тому +34

    LMAO the stock images are hilarious

    • @seanbirtwistle649
      @seanbirtwistle649 4 роки тому +3

      you know those flaming roses were for valentines day

    • @_--9286
      @_--9286 4 роки тому +2

      2:01

    • @dexzero
      @dexzero 4 роки тому

      @@_--9286 exactly :D

    • @idromano
      @idromano 4 роки тому

      and a little distracting

  • @provolone5336
    @provolone5336 4 роки тому +13

    U.S banks: we pay you interest on your savings account
    Other banks: you are a shareholder 😎

  • @elliottmiller3282
    @elliottmiller3282 4 роки тому +1

    I wrote a long af document about why debt isn't just unnecessary but it is morally wrong. But there are four central ideas.
    - Debt is not necessary to actually purchase anything.
    - Debt can only make purchases more expensive
    - Debt does not necessarily increase wealth
    - Debt significantly encourages you to make bad decisions.
    Personally, I have been debt free for several years now. It is entirely possible to live this way. And it definitely is a pretty awesome way of living. I am thoroughly convinced , on an individual level, you don't need debt for anything. We just use debt to get the things we think we want slightly sooner at a significantly higher cost.
    You also don't need debt to fund businesses as that can be done with equity.

  • @Amar-fd7cg
    @Amar-fd7cg 4 роки тому +1

    Stock footage used in this video is effin on point!

  • @huseinnashr
    @huseinnashr 4 роки тому +5

    15:43 Last time i was this early plasma tvs were still a thing

  • @chrisbrown6168
    @chrisbrown6168 4 роки тому +8

    7:00 "when the alternative is living on the street, or worse, living with your inlaws" 😂🤣

  • @Articulate99
    @Articulate99 Рік тому

    Always interesting, thank you.

  • @AG-zv9jo
    @AG-zv9jo 3 роки тому

    A very interesting video.
    Thanks for the discussion on it!

  • @ufhb6649
    @ufhb6649 4 роки тому +5

    Tom Nook as thumbnail, golden

  • @declantracy2497
    @declantracy2497 4 роки тому +25

    Does all of your revenue go towards all of this stock footage?

    • @EconomicsExplained
      @EconomicsExplained  4 роки тому +28

      Yes

    • @declantracy2497
      @declantracy2497 4 роки тому +11

      @@EconomicsExplained I'm gonna take this as financial advice to spend my savings on stock footage.

    • @SardineBreath28
      @SardineBreath28 4 роки тому +7

      Economics Explained invests in Stock footage, not stock markets now

  • @ericjones3920
    @ericjones3920 3 роки тому

    1st time watcher. Very impressive video. You have a new subscriber.

  • @0121chuchurocket
    @0121chuchurocket 4 роки тому +2

    where I live it's weeks of wait to get someone to come to do the drywall/fences/plumping/cabinets, etc. Same with construction, if you want to build a guest suite in your back yard it's months of wait, so saying that housing is non-productive is simply not true, if anything housing related jobs are under-staffed

  • @chris0000924
    @chris0000924 4 роки тому +8

    11:06 grossly incorrect.
    It forbids usury(predatory lending) not banking which always existed in one way or another

    • @zahzuhzay6533
      @zahzuhzay6533 4 роки тому

      I took a class in the history of economic thpught so this part bothered me with its gross generalization. In fact ususry was legitimized by changes in interest taking in non predatory relationships and yes some pragmatism. Also, medival scholastics such as St.Thomas Aqunias argued interest in certain circumstances are good. In the class we learned how the doctrine of usury was slowly poked at until the whole thongs unraveled.

    • @craigthebrute2409
      @craigthebrute2409 3 роки тому

      It doesn’t forbid usury. It forbids riba.

  • @Argondo
    @Argondo 4 роки тому +3

    Last time i was this early, i didn't have any debt....

  • @ratatataraxia
    @ratatataraxia 4 роки тому +2

    Never had money, never plan to. Still one of my favorite channels.

  • @disrael2101
    @disrael2101 4 роки тому

    One of the best video by far.. what I liked the most is the rich Arab world example of how to make an economic without direct debt

  • @Faisal-st6hl
    @Faisal-st6hl 4 роки тому +26

    I was thinking the same why all religions have banned instrest
    And how will the economy go without intrest
    You forgot something I guess when people will save money to buy a home rather keeping it in a piggy bank they would try to invest it in equity and ipo makets can easily raise money and it will also grow economy on faster rate
    And can you make a video on islamic economy zakat system plz

    • @vengefulavenger3998
      @vengefulavenger3998 4 роки тому +6

      @@xunqianbaidu6917 equity financing is about profit & loss sharing. It's more akin to venture capital. Debt financing just isn't.

  • @jarehelt
    @jarehelt 4 роки тому +4

    Gold is money. Dollars are debt

  • @rich_coburn
    @rich_coburn 4 роки тому

    Excellent video. Thanks!

  • @xerogue
    @xerogue 4 роки тому +1

    Hello, great video as always. Is there a particular site where you source your images/videos? Does anybody know?

  • @noahpolicarpio1530
    @noahpolicarpio1530 4 роки тому +8

    1 view. 3 comments. Ok UA-cam.
    Btw, a video on One Belt and One Road Initiative, please :)

    • @Nik-wo7hk
      @Nik-wo7hk 4 роки тому

      Noah Policarpio hell yeah great recommendation

  • @randelr8638
    @randelr8638 4 роки тому +4

    EE to the rich people "Hey how're doing? Patreon link in the description below"
    Me:That was real smooth. Where did he study marketing from?

  • @DilupthaPerera
    @DilupthaPerera 4 роки тому

    "Houses are not productive assets." This was eye-opening to hear, and eloquently summarised an idea that I'd been kicking around in my head for a while.
    It's the single biggest reason I've steered clear of Australian real estate, and have instead tried to purchase undervalued equities.
    Thank you for sharing your insights. This is quickly turning into one of my favourite channels on UA-cam (I've just subscribed!).

  • @Asianiels
    @Asianiels 4 роки тому +1

    This is why I don't understand a lot of countries that mainly use their creditcard. In the Netherlands almost everyone uses their debitcard for store purchases, that way you can only spend what you have instead of getting a monthly creditcard bill. It almost completely erases the "bad" debt.

  • @cmdr_ultraviol3nt
    @cmdr_ultraviol3nt 4 роки тому +3

    "How you doin? Patreon link in the video description."

  • @guendouzakrem1505
    @guendouzakrem1505 4 роки тому +6

    I don't know if this is relevant but in Islam interest on debt is forbidden.
    Edit: yup i should have seen the whole video before commenting, he does mention the islamic model.

    • @kendalljohnson9172
      @kendalljohnson9172 4 роки тому +2

      Guendouz Akrem it’s the same in christianity but these things no longer govern the modern business environment🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @TheAcdcninja
      @TheAcdcninja 4 роки тому +1

      Guendouz Akrem he does talk about a few Islamic banks later in the video. I honestly cannot wrap my head around that business model...

    • @guendouzakrem1505
      @guendouzakrem1505 4 роки тому +1

      @@TheAcdcninja tbh I don't understand it either. It's like the banks act like venture capitalists or something.
      Here's another interesting thing, the financial sector in my country Algeria (a Muslim country) is retarded because the people don't subscribe to the whole interest model for religious reasons.

    • @Stewiehleba
      @Stewiehleba 4 роки тому

      @@guendouzakrem1505 He forgot to mention that those banks also charge much higher fees.

    • @TheAcdcninja
      @TheAcdcninja 4 роки тому

      리주민 wait so does that mean the bank is essentially just a property portfolio? And then you buy shares and those shares amount to a house?

  • @domingo2977
    @domingo2977 4 роки тому

    I need a more in depth video on this describing the process & end product. I would really love to pursue this business model.

  • @turgeliolankytoja
    @turgeliolankytoja 4 роки тому +1

    Very interesting, thank you!

  • @mohammadnazieh6700
    @mohammadnazieh6700 4 роки тому +4

    As someone living in a country with a 'Debt-Free' economy, I rather disagree with your assessment.
    Although we kind of have banks that lend with interest, dealing with them is heavily stigmatized, due to religious reasons.
    The problem is that the banks are too weak, since very few people put their money in the banks, so the banks are heavily under funded, which makes them far too conservative, which cripples innovation, very few people can get loans to start businesses, the central bank can't just print all the money they want, as this is not America, print too much money, all foreign investment leaves the country.
    Using the farm analogy, a farmer cannot get a loan to buy a water pump, which significantly increases their productivity, instead they'll have to farm ineffeciently for some time, in order to save up for said pump, so the farmer is not as productive as they could've been, which is bad for the economy , apply that logic to the rest of the economy, and the economy is vastly underperforming.
    not to mention how hard this makes social mobility, since you can't get student loans, if you can't afford to go to college, you don't go to college, as a result rich people who can afford to pay for their children's education usually buy up all the seats in lucrative professions, medicine for example, but the poor cannot afford them, even if the not-so-well-off kid was vastly more qualified than the well off kids, they still won't be able to pursue degrees with lucrative careers, the rich remain rich, the poor remain poor, and the cycle continues.
    I'd prefer a 'Debt-Full' economy that crashes every now and then to this dysfunctional 'Debt-Free' economy, as long as the banks lend money responsibly, and not just to any human with a pulse, everything will be fine.

    • @nlb137
      @nlb137 4 роки тому +1

      Exactly. Even housing is that way.
      If you have to "save up" to buy a house outright, you're stuck paying rent in the meantime.
      Lets say I'm buying a house for $200k, with a payment of $600/mo for 30 years.
      If I have to save up to drop the $200k outright, that requires saving $600/mo for almost 15 years (and inflation will make it even worse than that).
      Even if we assume that debt-buying drives up prices, the situation still sucks. Pretend the same house would cost only $50k, and that inflation would drive up the price in the time it takes you to save up (both incredibly favorable assumptions for the nodebt argument). The problem is that you still have to live *somewhere*. So lets say you manage to find a place that you can rent for only *$300/mo*. That reduces the amount you can save from the $600/mo you'd otherwise be paying for the house to half that. It would still take *15 years* to save up enough to buy a house with those numbers... and you'll have pissed away about as much on rent as the interest would have been on the loan for the 'real' $200k house.