Hercules isn't even a comparison. Hurc will never be a 7* yet Serpent will eventually become r6 7*. Magik isn't even a 6* but Serpent is cool. Why is that? Oh yeah revives and counter chase = money.
@@pcanderson1074she will be trash for BGs coz of no defense value/no offence value. AW and questing isnt the main focus anyway and many champions and node combinations will bypass her mechanics even on that regard.
It’s very simple. DLL, following Kabam’s instructions, designed the champion that likely cost summoners the most money and resources. Kabam saw the impact that this defender had on the game (and their profits), and made a business decision to keep him the way he is so that they can further milk players. DLL (who’s said multiple times that Serpent is a perfectly balanced defender) and Kabam don’t give a damn about the player base. The only thing they care about is maximizing profits.
@@austinlowell8829 only up to a point, when it then becomes miserable to play. Where that line is is a subjective definition, but the sentiment of the larger community seems to be that serpent is getting very close to that line
@@austinlowell8829 it's not about getting good, it's about player enjoyment. If the average player is having a miserable experience then it's not good for the game as a whole. There's no way to "get good" at dexing his specials because you can't. There's no way to "get good" at pulling the correct champs because it's rng. The only way to increase your odds is spending money (what a coincidence) There are 3 things that make a fight difficult: 1 is Mechanical demand - actually getting good with things like intercepting and sidestepping - these are fights like enchantress who anyone can take 2 is Understanding the character you're fighting - this is for characters like thing who can be taken with any character as long as you understand how to fight him. Slow champs make it easier, but you're not gonna have a horrible time if you take the fight with Mr Sinister who doesn't really counter thing's mechanics in any way 3 is by using a specific counter - for example, against vision aarkus, you can technically use any champ but it's gonna be miserable trying to get a competetive BG score unless you have a specific counter to his power gain or coldsnap damage. All 3 of these options are fine ways to make a fight difficult, but if you're gonna go with option 3, then you need to make sure there are a good variety of champs who can viably take the fight, especially in a mode like BGs where you have a limited amount of champs available where every deck slot is very important and where even the champs you're allowed to draft is determined by rng. Not to mention serpent has crazy tankiness on his base kit, which is something else you can't just "get good" for. The issue players have with serpent is that there is literally no way to "get good" at taking block damage and beating into him with anyone but the small handful of counters you need in your deck. You 100% need to ban serpent in every BG game, because if you don't and they ban Chavez or whoever else you have as your counter, it's a lost round because no other champs can take him in a competitive time with high enough hp remaining You don't have this issue with many other defenders because the pool of champs that can take them on and get a competitive score are much broader
Thank you man. You seriously keep me sane sometimes with this game. I don’t always agree with you but I always appreciate your opinion and the way you handle things. Two things I feel you missed are nodes and Kabam designed counters. Kabam created nodes to make defenders harder. Depending on the meta, there are champions that are extremely difficult to defeat even with a good counter. By making champions so complex and hard all on their own, it feels like Kabam is completely ignoring the fact that there will be nodes in addition to those kits. It allows champions to become out of control like we have seen with serpent and enchantress. Secondly, Kabam designed counters don’t always work as advertised. Look at Negasonic and Patriot. Both were clearly designed to counter specific champions. They do that job but not nearly as well as other champions always do. So planning to count on the designed counter might not work.
One of 3 things I think could do with getting tuned down, 1. His ability accuracy on his immortality from 125% down to 100% so it actually gives ALL Neutralise champs a guaranteed counter against him not just Rintrah 2. His power gain on death immunity to stop at two bars so yes he can still be a problem but it’s still manageable as you can get around major damage from SP2 instead of SP3 3. This one I don’t like as much as the others but if not wanting any of the others, then removing the ability of shutting down dexing his specials
I wouldn't be surprised if they hold the Serpent nerf over our heads a way to nerf Herc as well. "You want us to nerf Serpent? Fine, BUT WE WANT TO NERF HERCULES! So we'll do both." 😮😮😮 that is just so kabam.
Don't forget they already nerfed herc once before. When he first came out he used to be able to tank sp3 then they took that away so that he would die if hit by a sp3 but now when a top defender can tank them it's perfectly fine. Smfh. Hypocrites to the fullest extent.
Herc is pretty much irrelevant in the most competitive modes. Even if he would be a 7* he would not be even close to being as meta relevant as serpent. We should stop this comparison because serpent is way more OP
@drey5258 That's the whole point. Serpent is way more OP, but they are leaving him as is, but they nerfed herc. It makes absolutely no sense. It's cause it benefits them (kabam) and not the player base.
Yea I don't care about the Herc nerf. He's so broken as is. Not taken L3's is whatever. You can still get an invulnerability if you want so it's whatever
Saying Herc is irrelevant while simultaneously being the best champ in game by a wide margin doesn't make much sense. They make AW specifically so people can't use him via tactics. Still absolutely ruins bgs and every other game mode.
it's not about getting good, it's about player enjoyment. If the average player is having a miserable experience then it's not good for the game as a whole. There's no way to "get good" at dexing his specials because you can't. There's no way to "get good" at pulling the correct champs because it's rng. The only way to increase your odds is spending money (what a coincidence) There are 3 things that make a fight difficult: 1 is Mechanical demand - actually getting good with things like intercepting and sidestepping - these are fights like enchantress who anyone can take 2 is Understanding the character you're fighting - this is for characters like thing who can be taken with any character as long as you understand how to fight him. Slow champs make it easier, but you're not gonna have a horrible time if you take the fight with Mr Sinister who doesn't really counter thing's mechanics in any way 3 is by using a specific counter - for example, against vision aarkus, you can technically use any champ but it's gonna be miserable trying to get a competetive BG score unless you have a specific counter to his power gain or coldsnap damage. All 3 of these options are fine ways to make a fight difficult, but if you're gonna go with option 3, then you need to make sure there are a good variety of champs who can viably take the fight, especially in a mode like BGs where you have a limited amount of champs available where every deck slot is very important and where even the champs you're allowed to draft is determined by rng. Not to mention serpent has crazy tankiness on his base kit, which is something else you can't just "get good" for. The issue players have with serpent is that there is literally no way to "get good" at taking block damage and beating into him with anyone but the small handful of counters you need in your deck. You 100% need to ban serpent in every BG game, because if you don't and they ban Chavez or whoever else you have as your counter, it's a lost round because no other champs can take him in a competitive time with high enough hp remaining You don't have this issue with many other defenders because the pool of champs that can take them on and get a competitive score are much broader
I opened a Titan crystal and my R3 serpent became that much stronger. He was actually the whole reason I wanted to pop it. He is stupid asf. The thing that truly pisses me off is the whole 125% chance thing. Most things can do 50-% or 80% neutralize base AA is 100% so why give a snowballs chance in hell for the game to fuck you over.
Actually the problem with newer defenders is diffrent than with for example penny. Penny had one tough and unfair mechanic that could be dealt with in diffrent ways (kg/venompool's immunity to power burn, unblockable, undermine or namor's dmg reversal). On the other had defender like bullseye have multiple unfair mechanics where devs made sure that you CAN'T go around them (you cannot lower bullseye's aa of evades and he cannot miss, so you can't get around his instant bleeds). And that causes kabam to release champions designed specifically to deal with them at the cost of their kit and sense of their abilities. half of negasonic's utility is hidden under skill class requirement, because kabam wanted to be sure that except bullseye she counters as little champions as possible. Same thing with patriot, the guy is basically captain america but they locked his most important and unique block mechanic behind class requirement so that people would use him only for photon effectively making him champion that will be quickly forgotten.
Don’t know if this idea was already mentioned. Hercules immortality was nerfed so that he dies if he is SP3’d. When he came out he didn’t die while his immortality is active, but now sp3 will bypass it. Kabam can do the same to The Serpent now to keep things similar/fair. When you sp3 Serpent in his last bit of life he should die like Hercules. This shows me that Kabam only wants the upper hand and not fair as they didn’t even consider this.
Honestly I’d be fine with nerfing both herc and serpent if that’s the game they want to play. i use herc in AQ thats it. incursions hes great but its barely worth playing that mode. I'm in tier 1 and we rarely assign herc because of tactics. most end game players have built their decks around hard counters and herc doesnt hare counter anything. truth be told most end game players have moved to 7 stars, most content is built so you cant herc cheese it. I honestly dont think id even notice if herc was nerfed at this point. if thats the price to pay to correct serpent id gladly pay it.
He doesn't counter anything... he counters everything. Hi immortality plus Unblockablity can do so much damage you can kill basically anyone in the game (outside Everest) in that 8 seconds which us stretched out God knows how long. Which was why he was blocked constantly in AW. If he was a tactic champ everyone would be using him and to think otherwise isn't realistic. Bc who's the best champ in the game? Lol exactly
@t.o.double9497 he's not used that often in T1 War. You don't really want to get immortality with him because it's dodgy with opponents running Assassin mastery. Herc is alright for BGs, can be fast attacker and time stall defender. He dominates story and incursions that's about it. But yea he doesn't counter everything in War. Especially dependent on the tactic
@@Kravatan I said he's not used in AW bc of tactics. If there was a tactic he was viable for he'd be on everyone's team, but of course then he'd be banned again as the cycle goes. Kabam knows what they're doing. You shouldn't need immortality for AW. That's for super hard endgame fights or pure laziness. If you use it in aw you're doing something wrong. The tactics are more specific to keep him out of the game mode. I also noticed you didn't try to dispute who the best champ in game is. Kinda nullifies everything else. When you're the best, and kabam knows it they're going to stop him however they can.
@t.o.double9497 OK my bad, he's not the best champ in the game imo. Also being the best champ wouldn't make them the best at everything. I would put a champ like Kate above him. For Kate with some skill is more frequent in War, one of the best BGs attackers, one of the best for Story, the best long content champ as of rn. Herc has Incursions on her and story ease, and both of those things don't mean anything in endgame. I would argue he may not even be the best Cosmic as that can easily go to CGR or Hulkling (BGs performance) but I can still see an argument for Herc so let's keep him 1 anyway.
@@Kravatan Kate? Lmao ok now you're just trying to disagree. No one in good conscience could say that. Yes he's not the best at everything, but there's a good chance he can do most. Like spring of sorrow final quest. My team way literally herc on the onslaught side and it was pretty fuckin easy. But whatever you obviously follow mcoc youtubers. Check out their lists. How about the fact the game is now designed to stop him. They aren't designing the game to stop Kate. She's easy enough to stop.
Terrible comment. Even in jest. DLL is the designer BUT there is a design team and others who signed off on this! This cannot possibly be a rogue designer.
At least allow use to dex the first hits of his sp1 and SP2 so we can block the rest of the sp. if he randomely decides to throw his specials and if you are within distance of the first hit you are just screwed
I am telling yall right now, we will be having this same conversation in 3 months about enchantress. You may get the impression that she is easy from eq or sq, but there are helpful nodes on there and most importantly no mystic dispersion. Good luck trying to do her missions when she gets sp1 after sp1 after sp1 with 5/5 MD
No one's addressing the real issue so far. It's the current champion design language Kabam's implementing to "improve" the game. If things go the way they are then nothing will stop Kabam from creating another Serpent in the game. He's literally a playable character that's designed like an endgame content boss and It's freaking ridiculous. DLL went mental designing this one and Kabam is now reaping all the benefits.
They are not nerfing him because they will introduce a champ to hard counter him. That way, v they will earn a lot. It's not like kabam ever cared for players or anything like that.
I was lucky as hell and I duped Thor's brother twice in less than a week. It's nice to see how the other half lives who hoard crystals or blow through units to get certain champs. I understand the gripe with him and tbh I still ban him instantly for those who have him, and will continue to do so, same thing with bullseye because as you mentioned some champs no matter what the meta is they're a pain in the a**
People not getting the Serpent situation make me laugh. Every other meta defender has some way to defeat them in genetic match ups with skill with the exception of Bullseye who is almost as BS as Serpent, but Bullseye is a stat noodle and when he’s dead he stays dead. Bullseye also doesn’t have inherent power gain that you are expected to manage. And theoretically you can actually dex his shit so your masteries aren’t punished.
If Kabam were on the other side, a US company, you’d have been on their payroll to improve the game. Not saying you’re perfect but you’re objective, one of the few if not the most objective mcoc content creator on YT. No loyalty to anyone nor the company in hopes of favors, etc. Keep it up bro!
I think this was planned to not re-balance Serpent with Shathra around the corner. Now knowing that she will be his counter, Kabam just count to make some money with the pre-release bundle as everyone would want to have Serpemt counter. After they'll milk the cow, they will identify that Serpent was bugged 😅 One way or another, in my opinion Serpent didn't get nervous due to Shathra
I hear all of your arguments and I agree with them. But maybe it's that I've got a R3 Serpent or I'm too used to kabam bs, but I wouldn't change him. I think people need THAT chase after a champ which you get and think that you've won a lottery. Like I remember back in the day how hard it was to get Doom, or Archangel. It felt like you've won the game. Right there and then. Also, maybe in the next half a year kabam will introduce a couple of mystic champs which would make Serpent obsolete, like it was with Peni. I'm just saying, we don't have the full picture what's ahead and judging only on what has been is somewhat harsh. I don't know. As of now I'm happy with my R3 Serpent. After the tone down would I want a rankdown gem? How long of the Serpent-issue will this stretch out? 🤔
Herc is pretty much irrelevant in the most competitive modes. Even if he would be a 7* he would not be even close to being as meta relevant as serpent. We should stop this comparison because serpent is way more OP
has anyone even pulled herc lately? I can't land him and open nothing but class specific 6 star crystals and choose cosmic abyss crystals at every opportunity.
I don't get it. I don't even want this champ. Have about 8 cosmic champs I prefer using. Even if I did like playing bgs, I find many other champs more difficult to fight against.
Lmao is funny to me how most of this top players are crying because they can't beat one Champion Serpent. While 90% players in the entire game us mortals struggle the same with Onslaught, Bullseye Enchantress. 😂😂😂 people need to just get over it
@@dalegendarymonke8921 Yeah i know. Kabam is releasing this bs defenders but nerfing attackers Wtf. Why the f they need to nerf King P for ? This game is a scam
@danceboyish ye I mean ill be fair to onslaught he isn't completely bs provided you don't parry and can dex sp1 but bullseye and serpent are just stupid Imo the evade for bullseye shouldn't even stay active after the special
I can agree that he is poorly tuned in some areas. But overall the game needs brickwall defenders capable of shutting down most of all attackers. The level of attackers vastly outgrew the level of defenders making bgs a nuke race basically every meta kinda ruining the mode.
I don't want a Serpent nerf, but my reasons are simple; I've used real world money and resources to get him and take him to R3. By nerfing him, it means my investment has been diminished. I acknowledge that he's defensively very strong but that doesn't mean I want him to be nerfed. I hate the idea of the balancing program at all. They only punish attackers as that's what saves the player money, defenders cost the players money. I would rather they completely scrap the balancing program and just do real testing before release.
By the logic he can be killed Then why the fuk is there no 7* quake or hercules and the likes , they too can be killed. Bullseye, Onslaught also needs to get tuned down
What are these agruments??😂 Hercules is not a busted attacker Other Champions like Hulkling or Kate Bishop are far faster and deal more Damage than Hercules's in BGs It's only his Awakened ability is what makes him somewhat broken and Serpent has a better version of this Awakened ability.
Thank you, I’m glad someone else has said the same thing! Plus his immortality is a buff that can be nullified or fate sealed, similar thing can’t be said for Serpent
You missed the biggest argument KT1. They regret making Herc because they did loose lots of money on story content (mostly gauntlet and eternety of pain), nothing to do with bg! Kabam dont want to struggle with making hard content because of Herc
I can one shot sperpent with the right counter while I can’t do that against stupid bullseye. Also talk about enchantress, she’s disgusting. Serpent is annoying but not as other defenders. Just MY opinion
I see everyone’s points on this subject. But it seems we are asking for Serpent to be nerfed mainly due to his defensive prowess in BG’s. Looking at the big picture, I don’t think it’s in anyone’s best interests to balance champions based solely on their performance in one game mode.
I'm a believer that if something's a problem, it should be fixed. If serpent isn't a problem anywhere else, fine leave him as is there. Serpent is causing a problem in bgs? Nerf him there, we already have abilities that specify battleground, serpent himself is stronger in battleground attack
So he's not literally the biggest problem in Alliance Wars? He has too much in his kit and his abilities are over tuned. Now add nodes to him. They just need to tune him down a bit and he can still be a force on defense. Not a major nerf. The game needs tough defenders but his kit is not a fair or balanced kit.
I agree to an extent but he’s also a problem in AW especially on certain nodes, if he’s stun immune throughout the fight Chavez is gonna struggle and she’s one of the best counters to him
Your *just ban the champion is wrong* point, lagacy posted a video where his argument that serpent was overpowered in which he won that fight against serpent in both examples... Leave Serpent alone
The whole ban serpent thing is where i am. I will always ban serpent and so i will never rank him up if i get him because there is no point. I hate fighting him and i never want to
And that’s fine, but what if new defenders come out you also don’t want to face because they are busted like him? Eventually you’ll run out and have to deal with this bs which is why we need him fixed. He sets a dangerous new standard
you try to think like that until your opponent has r3 domino, r3 korg, r3 maestro, r3 bullseye, etc. you won’t be able to ban all of them. you might still want to ban him but it shouldn’t be a single champ that you mindlessly ban every match
I respect your opinion but I have an r5 sig 200 ascended Serpent and I have used him every meta since he came out. I haven't banned him once I just have counters in my deck for him and as far as saying he should be nerfed just because he's a defensive threat now and you don't want to wait for more counters to be released against him is silly. What would be the point of collect new champions if you didn't need them? Same idea for chasing Serpent if you don't already have him. It gives meaning to collecting these champs to stay competitive in the game. Until you have the roster to counter him or use him yourself there is absolutely nothing wrong with you using a ban to prevent dealing with your opponent's. That's what the bans are there for. I would hate to see a champion that was designed for defense released again like Peni only to have a couple months at the top before insane hard counters to them are released like they did when releasing Hulkling and Galan. I think Serpent is perfect for a long term defensive threat along the lines of Domino and Korg were in their time.
Well said. I also think it’s a bit shortsighted to want Serpent nerfed because of his performance in one game mode (BG’s). I have him at 7r3 and have counters for him. And you make a good point about counters for him eventually coming out
It’s as if all these people crying have never been around for a broken defender release lol It’s been 10years of this game with the same model! Broken defender release…….counters released later 🤯
Theyre voicing their opinions just like you, only theyre not trying to control what others say. Maybe this cadence has run its course and the players are tired of it. Or maybe they have a point.... Theres really no point in getting all defensive.
That wasn’t great but it was manageable because back in the day story content and Variants were by far where we prioritized playing. So even though there were bs fights and champions you only fought them either in story content where dying was somewhat expected or rarely in war where you can boost and war boost. All of this was also before the ban system. Let’s say the best Serpent counters I have are Kushala, Chavez and Wiccan. Someone can ban 2 of them and I can get bad rng and not ever pull the last one. Or in war now imagine Chavez and Kushala are blacklisted and Wiccan is banned I’m fucked lol. Then we add nodes that may counter the remaining counters. Imagine he’s placed on force of will in this scenario 😂. All this is cool if it’s a one time barrier like SOS or a quest but to have to face shit like this everyday is an insane ask. One node made serpent an absolute demon lord last season and it wasn’t even a tricky node.
@@jornaspierre5615 you can also bring white tiger and sum supreme, they run through him. I remember IMIW completely roadblocking people in AW for a while! Killmonger on certain nodes back in the day were also roadblocking. Peni almost shut down bgs because people were so pissed off and demanded nerf, now she’s not even in the conversation for defenders because of so many counters lol
I see no problem with Serpent. The game needs difficulty spikes and annoyances. This also gives Kabam a chance to develop new champs that will counter him and introduce even more new abilities. Simple solution for the complainers, let’s just give everyone in the game Draxs abilities so the game is even.
I’m sorry but serpent is fine, people need to off cry, don’t like him in BGs?? Ban him, you have 3 bans for a reason. don’t like him in AW?? Have officers add him to ban list if he’s that big of a problem. There are multiple counters with even more on the way…. It is possible to fight him in BGs with 100% health remaining. How can anyone say he’s more BS than bullseye? We can’t stay stagnant in mcoc with the same generic champions that need a buff in 5 months time. It is not hard and was not hard to acquire a 6* awakened sig 200 serpent from featured pool, obviously not everyone got that, but anyone in paragon or valiant should not have struggled to do that. So there are a lot of people in game using him… people will always find something to complain about regardless of what happens in game. as I said to begin with, If you don’t like him, you can avoid fighting him in every aspect of the game with bans. Simple.
@@kennethmorsee no but you can ban him on attack if they think he’s to strong on attack, and there are 10 people in each BG so the odds are someone else will be comfortable fighting him if another is not. Also diversity for war is more meaningful now so I doubt anyone above gold is running more than 1 serpent per group
@Havelaar420 💯 agree with you got tired of banning him so pulled him and took him up, but if he doesn't come up in your selection Ur screwed, it's too random, they only have to change Serpent a little to give the average player a chance when they don't have the perfect counter
@@deegee976dg very true, he has like 3 fast counters in a generic meta and 2 of those dont work with difficult nodes. You instapick and pray ur opponent doenst get him
Serpent is okay the way he is. I think this is a good balance for the game. It should not be a cake walk for any level of game player - end game or fledgling
Nobody is saying that. The issue is he has absolutely too much in his kit and is a overpowered champ especially on defense. The rebalance program is "supposed" to deal with a Serpent or Hercules. The game needs tough defenders and you can tune down Serpent a little and he'll still be the best defender in the game. He has like 20 plus defensive abilities and they're over tuned. I have him ranked up and I think tuning him down is the right thing to do.
Found an r3 serpent owner, also bro is still saying “little girls” to insult someone lmao Well if you’re such a big strong man, show me how you were beating serpent at competitive speed last meta.
@@richardromero6722 hey Richard, if that really is the case what are you doing here, unless you are some kind of creep that enjoy watching little girls cry. 🤣
@@DeepfriedBeans4492😂😂 no 7* serpent for me. I do have a 6*r5 though. Not ascended. He’s not a roadblock or automatic loss in BGs. He can be beat. Not everyone you face will have one. In war he’s also not unbeatable. If both alliances have 1 or a couple on the map he’ll be a problem for both alliances. Or he won’t. No need to make him easier to beat. The game should be challenging.
@@DontATATMeBrono it attracts the laziest people who refuse to learn the abilities of more champions. All they want to do is “Herc” everything or they cry it’s too hard.
Hercules isn't even a comparison. Hurc will never be a 7* yet Serpent will eventually become r6 7*. Magik isn't even a 6* but Serpent is cool. Why is that? Oh yeah revives and counter chase = money.
At this point they should make everyone a 7 star
Anybody arguing 4 serpent. Is just a way of telling me you have a rank3 serpent without telling me you have a rank 3 serpent
@@abaddon4468I’m not necessarily arguing for him, but yes I do have an awakened 7* r3 😂🎉
@@TheAston316quake is bad for the game, she bypasses too many things
@@pcanderson1074she will be trash for BGs coz of no defense value/no offence value.
AW and questing isnt the main focus anyway and many champions and node combinations will bypass her mechanics even on that regard.
He’s a money maker vs. Herc being a money saver for us….
It’s very simple. DLL, following Kabam’s instructions, designed the champion that likely cost summoners the most money and resources. Kabam saw the impact that this defender had on the game (and their profits), and made a business decision to keep him the way he is so that they can further milk players. DLL (who’s said multiple times that Serpent is a perfectly balanced defender) and Kabam don’t give a damn about the player base. The only thing they care about is maximizing profits.
DLL is a dumbASS
Game you love play maximizing profits = good for the game you love to play 🍻
@@austinlowell8829 only up to a point, when it then becomes miserable to play. Where that line is is a subjective definition, but the sentiment of the larger community seems to be that serpent is getting very close to that line
Yeah serpent is too bad as a defender but Hercules is kool? Its IS a comparison. And neither should be nerfed. Live and let be. Git guud.
@@austinlowell8829 it's not about getting good, it's about player enjoyment. If the average player is having a miserable experience then it's not good for the game as a whole. There's no way to "get good" at dexing his specials because you can't. There's no way to "get good" at pulling the correct champs because it's rng. The only way to increase your odds is spending money (what a coincidence)
There are 3 things that make a fight difficult:
1 is Mechanical demand - actually getting good with things like intercepting and sidestepping - these are fights like enchantress who anyone can take
2 is Understanding the character you're fighting - this is for characters like thing who can be taken with any character as long as you understand how to fight him. Slow champs make it easier, but you're not gonna have a horrible time if you take the fight with Mr Sinister who doesn't really counter thing's mechanics in any way
3 is by using a specific counter - for example, against vision aarkus, you can technically use any champ but it's gonna be miserable trying to get a competetive BG score unless you have a specific counter to his power gain or coldsnap damage.
All 3 of these options are fine ways to make a fight difficult, but if you're gonna go with option 3, then you need to make sure there are a good variety of champs who can viably take the fight, especially in a mode like BGs where you have a limited amount of champs available where every deck slot is very important and where even the champs you're allowed to draft is determined by rng.
Not to mention serpent has crazy tankiness on his base kit, which is something else you can't just "get good" for. The issue players have with serpent is that there is literally no way to "get good" at taking block damage and beating into him with anyone but the small handful of counters you need in your deck.
You 100% need to ban serpent in every BG game, because if you don't and they ban Chavez or whoever else you have as your counter, it's a lost round because no other champs can take him in a competitive time with high enough hp remaining
You don't have this issue with many other defenders because the pool of champs that can take them on and get a competitive score are much broader
Let's see what happens with Lagacy's petition and what Kabam will say about the rebalance team or lack thereof.
I signed it.
Thank you man. You seriously keep me sane sometimes with this game. I don’t always agree with you but I always appreciate your opinion and the way you handle things.
Two things I feel you missed are nodes and Kabam designed counters. Kabam created nodes to make defenders harder. Depending on the meta, there are champions that are extremely difficult to defeat even with a good counter. By making champions so complex and hard all on their own, it feels like Kabam is completely ignoring the fact that there will be nodes in addition to those kits. It allows champions to become out of control like we have seen with serpent and enchantress. Secondly, Kabam designed counters don’t always work as advertised. Look at Negasonic and Patriot. Both were clearly designed to counter specific champions. They do that job but not nearly as well as other champions always do. So planning to count on the designed counter might not work.
One of 3 things I think could do with getting tuned down,
1. His ability accuracy on his immortality from 125% down to 100% so it actually gives ALL Neutralise champs a guaranteed counter against him not just Rintrah
2. His power gain on death immunity to stop at two bars so yes he can still be a problem but it’s still manageable as you can get around major damage from SP2 instead of SP3
3. This one I don’t like as much as the others but if not wanting any of the others, then removing the ability of shutting down dexing his specials
I wouldn't be surprised if they hold the Serpent nerf over our heads a way to nerf Herc as well. "You want us to nerf Serpent? Fine, BUT WE WANT TO NERF HERCULES! So we'll do both." 😮😮😮 that is just so kabam.
Don't forget they already nerfed herc once before. When he first came out he used to be able to tank sp3 then they took that away so that he would die if hit by a sp3 but now when a top defender can tank them it's perfectly fine. Smfh. Hypocrites to the fullest extent.
Herc is pretty much irrelevant in the most competitive modes. Even if he would be a 7* he would not be even close to being as meta relevant as serpent. We should stop this comparison because serpent is way more OP
@drey5258 That's the whole point. Serpent is way more OP, but they are leaving him as is, but they nerfed herc. It makes absolutely no sense. It's cause it benefits them (kabam) and not the player base.
Yea I don't care about the Herc nerf. He's so broken as is. Not taken L3's is whatever. You can still get an invulnerability if you want so it's whatever
Saying Herc is irrelevant while simultaneously being the best champ in game by a wide margin doesn't make much sense. They make AW specifically so people can't use him via tactics. Still absolutely ruins bgs and every other game mode.
Arena death matches: 6* r6 serpent, r3 serpent, rank3 bulls eye.
When you only have 1 counter 😂
Kabaam: we are going to deal with it by not dealing with it
it's not about getting good, it's about player enjoyment. If the average player is having a miserable experience then it's not good for the game as a whole. There's no way to "get good" at dexing his specials because you can't. There's no way to "get good" at pulling the correct champs because it's rng. The only way to increase your odds is spending money (what a coincidence)
There are 3 things that make a fight difficult:
1 is Mechanical demand - actually getting good with things like intercepting and sidestepping - these are fights like enchantress who anyone can take
2 is Understanding the character you're fighting - this is for characters like thing who can be taken with any character as long as you understand how to fight him. Slow champs make it easier, but you're not gonna have a horrible time if you take the fight with Mr Sinister who doesn't really counter thing's mechanics in any way
3 is by using a specific counter - for example, against vision aarkus, you can technically use any champ but it's gonna be miserable trying to get a competetive BG score unless you have a specific counter to his power gain or coldsnap damage.
All 3 of these options are fine ways to make a fight difficult, but if you're gonna go with option 3, then you need to make sure there are a good variety of champs who can viably take the fight, especially in a mode like BGs where you have a limited amount of champs available where every deck slot is very important and where even the champs you're allowed to draft is determined by rng.
Not to mention serpent has crazy tankiness on his base kit, which is something else you can't just "get good" for. The issue players have with serpent is that there is literally no way to "get good" at taking block damage and beating into him with anyone but the small handful of counters you need in your deck.
You 100% need to ban serpent in every BG game, because if you don't and they ban Chavez or whoever else you have as your counter, it's a lost round because no other champs can take him in a competitive time with high enough hp remaining
You don't have this issue with many other defenders because the pool of champs that can take them on and get a competitive score are much broader
I opened a Titan crystal and my R3 serpent became that much stronger.
He was actually the whole reason I wanted to pop it.
He is stupid asf.
The thing that truly pisses me off is the whole 125% chance thing.
Most things can do 50-% or 80% neutralize base AA is 100% so why give a snowballs chance in hell for the game to fuck you over.
Actually the problem with newer defenders is diffrent than with for example penny. Penny had one tough and unfair mechanic that could be dealt with in diffrent ways (kg/venompool's immunity to power burn, unblockable, undermine or namor's dmg reversal). On the other had defender like bullseye have multiple unfair mechanics where devs made sure that you CAN'T go around them (you cannot lower bullseye's aa of evades and he cannot miss, so you can't get around his instant bleeds). And that causes kabam to release champions designed specifically to deal with them at the cost of their kit and sense of their abilities. half of negasonic's utility is hidden under skill class requirement, because kabam wanted to be sure that except bullseye she counters as little champions as possible. Same thing with patriot, the guy is basically captain america but they locked his most important and unique block mechanic behind class requirement so that people would use him only for photon effectively making him champion that will be quickly forgotten.
Don’t know if this idea was already mentioned.
Hercules immortality was nerfed so that he dies if he is SP3’d. When he came out he didn’t die while his immortality is active, but now sp3 will bypass it.
Kabam can do the same to The Serpent now to keep things similar/fair. When you sp3 Serpent in his last bit of life he should die like Hercules.
This shows me that Kabam only wants the upper hand and not fair as they didn’t even consider this.
Honestly I’d be fine with nerfing both herc and serpent if that’s the game they want to play. i use herc in AQ thats it. incursions hes great but its barely worth playing that mode.
I'm in tier 1 and we rarely assign herc because of tactics. most end game players have built their decks around hard counters and herc doesnt hare counter anything. truth be told most end game players have moved to 7 stars, most content is built so you cant herc cheese it. I honestly dont think id even notice if herc was nerfed at this point. if thats the price to pay to correct serpent id gladly pay it.
He doesn't counter anything... he counters everything. Hi immortality plus Unblockablity can do so much damage you can kill basically anyone in the game (outside Everest) in that 8 seconds which us stretched out God knows how long. Which was why he was blocked constantly in AW. If he was a tactic champ everyone would be using him and to think otherwise isn't realistic. Bc who's the best champ in the game? Lol exactly
@t.o.double9497 he's not used that often in T1 War. You don't really want to get immortality with him because it's dodgy with opponents running Assassin mastery. Herc is alright for BGs, can be fast attacker and time stall defender. He dominates story and incursions that's about it. But yea he doesn't counter everything in War. Especially dependent on the tactic
@@Kravatan I said he's not used in AW bc of tactics. If there was a tactic he was viable for he'd be on everyone's team, but of course then he'd be banned again as the cycle goes. Kabam knows what they're doing. You shouldn't need immortality for AW. That's for super hard endgame fights or pure laziness. If you use it in aw you're doing something wrong. The tactics are more specific to keep him out of the game mode. I also noticed you didn't try to dispute who the best champ in game is. Kinda nullifies everything else. When you're the best, and kabam knows it they're going to stop him however they can.
@t.o.double9497 OK my bad, he's not the best champ in the game imo. Also being the best champ wouldn't make them the best at everything. I would put a champ like Kate above him. For Kate with some skill is more frequent in War, one of the best BGs attackers, one of the best for Story, the best long content champ as of rn. Herc has Incursions on her and story ease, and both of those things don't mean anything in endgame. I would argue he may not even be the best Cosmic as that can easily go to CGR or Hulkling (BGs performance) but I can still see an argument for Herc so let's keep him 1 anyway.
@@Kravatan Kate? Lmao ok now you're just trying to disagree. No one in good conscience could say that. Yes he's not the best at everything, but there's a good chance he can do most. Like spring of sorrow final quest. My team way literally herc on the onslaught side and it was pretty fuckin easy. But whatever you obviously follow mcoc youtubers. Check out their lists. How about the fact the game is now designed to stop him. They aren't designing the game to stop Kate. She's easy enough to stop.
Just to add insult to injury - are you aware of the minor Kingpin nerf? Might want to do a video on that as well - Vega has.
Has DLL been fired yet
😂
Terrible comment. Even in jest. DLL is the designer BUT there is a design team and others who signed off on this! This cannot possibly be a rogue designer.
At least allow use to dex the first hits of his sp1 and SP2 so we can block the rest of the sp. if he randomely decides to throw his specials and if you are within distance of the first hit you are just screwed
I am telling yall right now, we will be having this same conversation in 3 months about enchantress. You may get the impression that she is easy from eq or sq, but there are helpful nodes on there and most importantly no mystic dispersion. Good luck trying to do her missions when she gets sp1 after sp1 after sp1 with 5/5 MD
No one's addressing the real issue so far. It's the current champion design language Kabam's implementing to "improve" the game. If things go the way they are then nothing will stop Kabam from creating another Serpent in the game. He's literally a playable character that's designed like an endgame content boss and It's freaking ridiculous. DLL went mental designing this one and Kabam is now reaping all the benefits.
Kingpin just received a nerf out of nowhere.. Fcking kill me lol
Really? What's changed
They are not nerfing him because they will introduce a champ to hard counter him. That way, v they will earn a lot. It's not like kabam ever cared for players or anything like that.
I think Shathra will be that champ
I was lucky as hell and I duped Thor's brother twice in less than a week. It's nice to see how the other half lives who hoard crystals or blow through units to get certain champs. I understand the gripe with him and tbh I still ban him instantly for those who have him, and will continue to do so, same thing with bullseye because as you mentioned some champs no matter what the meta is they're a pain in the a**
Meanwhile, 50+ featured crystals, and I still can't pull this guy.
REAL
bought the platinum track just to get the 3 abyss and still didnt pull him
Lol same😂 popped destroyer off a basic
same
that's really bad luck, those crystals are usually more reliable
sounds like a case of creating the problem then selling the solution
I use my unduped 7r1 Angela more frequently then 5.65 ascended Herc. I don't even know why I ranked him up
All they have to do is reduce the regen on his immortality at the end of the fight. That would make that fight so much more fair.
People not getting the Serpent situation make me laugh. Every other meta defender has some way to defeat them in genetic match ups with skill with the exception of Bullseye who is almost as BS as Serpent, but Bullseye is a stat noodle and when he’s dead he stays dead. Bullseye also doesn’t have inherent power gain that you are expected to manage. And theoretically you can actually dex his shit so your masteries aren’t punished.
If Kabam were on the other side, a US company, you’d have been on their payroll to improve the game. Not saying you’re perfect but you’re objective, one of the few if not the most objective mcoc content creator on YT. No loyalty to anyone nor the company in hopes of favors, etc. Keep it up bro!
I think this was planned to not re-balance Serpent with Shathra around the corner. Now knowing that she will be his counter, Kabam just count to make some money with the pre-release bundle as everyone would want to have Serpemt counter.
After they'll milk the cow, they will identify that Serpent was bugged 😅
One way or another, in my opinion Serpent didn't get nervous due to Shathra
I hear all of your arguments and I agree with them. But maybe it's that I've got a R3 Serpent or I'm too used to kabam bs, but I wouldn't change him.
I think people need THAT chase after a champ which you get and think that you've won a lottery. Like I remember back in the day how hard it was to get Doom, or Archangel. It felt like you've won the game. Right there and then.
Also, maybe in the next half a year kabam will introduce a couple of mystic champs which would make Serpent obsolete, like it was with Peni.
I'm just saying, we don't have the full picture what's ahead and judging only on what has been is somewhat harsh.
I don't know. As of now I'm happy with my R3 Serpent. After the tone down would I want a rankdown gem? How long of the Serpent-issue will this stretch out? 🤔
Herc is pretty much irrelevant in the most competitive modes. Even if he would be a 7* he would not be even close to being as meta relevant as serpent. We should stop this comparison because serpent is way more OP
Crazy how quake and magik arent even 6* and we have Serpent who will be able to go up to max rank one day as a damn 7*
Not able to dex/evade special on top of when it’s unblockable is unfair this mechanic shouldn’t exist.
If sable doesn’t get tuned up we riot
Keep the serpent as he is , people moaning about serpent just don’t know how to fight it
has anyone even pulled herc lately? I can't land him and open nothing but class specific 6 star crystals and choose cosmic abyss crystals at every opportunity.
I don't get it. I don't even want this champ. Have about 8 cosmic champs I prefer using. Even if I did like playing bgs, I find many other champs more difficult to fight against.
Lmao is funny to me how most of this top players are crying because they can't beat one Champion Serpent. While 90% players in the entire game us mortals struggle the same with Onslaught, Bullseye Enchantress. 😂😂😂 people need to just get over it
I mean serpent is pretty bs
@@dalegendarymonke8921 so is Onslaught and Bullseye
@@danceboyish they all bs but serpent imo is the most bs
@@dalegendarymonke8921 Yeah i know. Kabam is releasing this bs defenders but nerfing attackers Wtf. Why the f they need to nerf King P for ? This game is a scam
@danceboyish ye
I mean ill be fair to onslaught he isn't completely bs provided you don't parry and can dex sp1 but bullseye and serpent are just stupid
Imo the evade for bullseye shouldn't even stay active after the special
Arena Streak 977 then here comes Serpent with no good options 2+min fight in Arena and lost the streak thanks Kabam
I haven’t ranked my serpent because I always ban him anyway.
I can agree that he is poorly tuned in some areas. But overall the game needs brickwall defenders capable of shutting down most of all attackers. The level of attackers vastly outgrew the level of defenders making bgs a nuke race basically every meta kinda ruining the mode.
Thats what nodes are for mainly i thought. With that logic, yeah serpent is fine if there are no nodes.
I don't want a Serpent nerf, but my reasons are simple; I've used real world money and resources to get him and take him to R3. By nerfing him, it means my investment has been diminished. I acknowledge that he's defensively very strong but that doesn't mean I want him to be nerfed. I hate the idea of the balancing program at all. They only punish attackers as that's what saves the player money, defenders cost the players money. I would rather they completely scrap the balancing program and just do real testing before release.
By the logic he can be killed Then why the fuk is there no 7* quake or hercules and the likes , they too can be killed. Bullseye, Onslaught also needs to get tuned down
this is what kabam does, how is anyone shocked.
What are these agruments??😂
Hercules is not a busted attacker Other Champions like Hulkling or Kate Bishop are far faster and deal more Damage than Hercules's in BGs
It's only his Awakened ability is what makes him somewhat broken and Serpent has a better version of this Awakened ability.
Thank you, I’m glad someone else has said the same thing! Plus his immortality is a buff that can be nullified or fate sealed, similar thing can’t be said for Serpent
@kt1 let’s see your KinPing video 🤣 😂😮
You missed the biggest argument KT1. They regret making Herc because they did loose lots of money on story content (mostly gauntlet and eternety of pain), nothing to do with bg! Kabam dont want to struggle with making hard content because of Herc
I can one shot sperpent with the right counter while I can’t do that against stupid bullseye.
Also talk about enchantress, she’s disgusting.
Serpent is annoying but not as other defenders. Just MY opinion
I see everyone’s points on this subject. But it seems we are asking for Serpent to be nerfed mainly due to his defensive prowess in BG’s. Looking at the big picture, I don’t think it’s in anyone’s best interests to balance champions based solely on their performance in one game mode.
I agree 100% with this take. All the UA-camrs are only focused on BGs which is the only place Serpent is a problem
I'm a believer that if something's a problem, it should be fixed. If serpent isn't a problem anywhere else, fine leave him as is there. Serpent is causing a problem in bgs? Nerf him there, we already have abilities that specify battleground, serpent himself is stronger in battleground attack
So he's not literally the biggest problem in Alliance Wars? He has too much in his kit and his abilities are over tuned. Now add nodes to him. They just need to tune him down a bit and he can still be a force on defense. Not a major nerf. The game needs tough defenders but his kit is not a fair or balanced kit.
I agree to an extent but he’s also a problem in AW especially on certain nodes, if he’s stun immune throughout the fight Chavez is gonna struggle and she’s one of the best counters to him
He is a problem on the most used events in game. War, bg.
Your *just ban the champion is wrong* point, lagacy posted a video where his argument that serpent was overpowered in which he won that fight against serpent in both examples...
Leave Serpent alone
Man I just ranked mine up….its crap
Imagine r6 7 str serpent
The whole ban serpent thing is where i am. I will always ban serpent and so i will never rank him up if i get him because there is no point. I hate fighting him and i never want to
And that’s fine, but what if new defenders come out you also don’t want to face because they are busted like him? Eventually you’ll run out and have to deal with this bs which is why we need him fixed. He sets a dangerous new standard
you try to think like that until your opponent has r3 domino, r3 korg, r3 maestro, r3 bullseye, etc. you won’t be able to ban all of them. you might still want to ban him but it shouldn’t be a single champ that you mindlessly ban every match
@@JahlilMcoc having a rank 3 maestro rank 2 domino and rank 2 korg I don't ban them, but neither of them are hard to fight with the right counters.
But you don't think to rank him and keep him in deck in case your opponent doesn't have him?🤔
You can’t ban Donino, serpent, Bullseye, maestro, and now Enchantress 😂😂
Enough already.just stop whining and put more counters in your deck
I respect your opinion but I have an r5 sig 200 ascended Serpent and I have used him every meta since he came out. I haven't banned him once I just have counters in my deck for him and as far as saying he should be nerfed just because he's a defensive threat now and you don't want to wait for more counters to be released against him is silly. What would be the point of collect new champions if you didn't need them? Same idea for chasing Serpent if you don't already have him. It gives meaning to collecting these champs to stay competitive in the game. Until you have the roster to counter him or use him yourself there is absolutely nothing wrong with you using a ban to prevent dealing with your opponent's. That's what the bans are there for. I would hate to see a champion that was designed for defense released again like Peni only to have a couple months at the top before insane hard counters to them are released like they did when releasing Hulkling and Galan. I think Serpent is perfect for a long term defensive threat along the lines of Domino and Korg were in their time.
Well said. I also think it’s a bit shortsighted to want Serpent nerfed because of his performance in one game mode (BG’s). I have him at 7r3 and have counters for him. And you make a good point about counters for him eventually coming out
For what it’s worth both venom pool and venom were hard counters to peni on day 1 of her release
@@kennethmorsee agreed same with Chavez, Spidey Supreme, and Kushala being counters to Serpent Day 1
Agreed Serpent isn't easy but can be beaten.
Stop crying abojt serpent easy to beat venom absorbing man mags form stop
Serpent has counters, Bullseye has counters. Frankly Bullseye is way worse if you don’t have a counter.
Seriously it’s just one game mode that he’s a problem. Stop making BGs the be all, end all of the game
Not true. He is literally the most destructive force in alliance wars. Now add nodes to him. It's ridiculous.
He’s overpowered as a defender.
Bgs is the only thing saving mcoc right now so if a champ is dominant in that game mode, definitely they will have more valuable.
It’s as if all these people crying have never been around for a broken defender release lol
It’s been 10years of this game with the same model! Broken defender release…….counters released later 🤯
Theyre voicing their opinions just like you, only theyre not trying to control what others say.
Maybe this cadence has run its course and the players are tired of it. Or maybe they have a point....
Theres really no point in getting all defensive.
That wasn’t great but it was manageable because back in the day story content and Variants were by far where we prioritized playing. So even though there were bs fights and champions you only fought them either in story content where dying was somewhat expected or rarely in war where you can boost and war boost. All of this was also before the ban system. Let’s say the best Serpent counters I have are Kushala, Chavez and Wiccan. Someone can ban 2 of them and I can get bad rng and not ever pull the last one. Or in war now imagine Chavez and Kushala are blacklisted and Wiccan is banned I’m fucked lol. Then we add nodes that may counter the remaining counters. Imagine he’s placed on force of will in this scenario 😂. All this is cool if it’s a one time barrier like SOS or a quest but to have to face shit like this everyday is an insane ask. One node made serpent an absolute demon lord last season and it wasn’t even a tricky node.
@@jornaspierre5615 you can also bring white tiger and sum supreme, they run through him.
I remember IMIW completely roadblocking people in AW for a while! Killmonger on certain nodes back in the day were also roadblocking.
Peni almost shut down bgs because people were so pissed off and demanded nerf, now she’s not even in the conversation for defenders because of so many counters lol
I see no problem with Serpent. The game needs difficulty spikes and annoyances. This also gives Kabam a chance to develop new champs that will counter him and introduce even more new abilities.
Simple solution for the complainers, let’s just give everyone in the game Draxs abilities so the game is even.
I’m sorry but serpent is fine, people need to off cry, don’t like him in BGs?? Ban him, you have 3 bans for a reason. don’t like him in AW?? Have officers add him to ban list if he’s that big of a problem. There are multiple counters with even more on the way…. It is possible to fight him in BGs with 100% health remaining. How can anyone say he’s more BS than bullseye? We can’t stay stagnant in mcoc with the same generic champions that need a buff in 5 months time. It is not hard and was not hard to acquire a 6* awakened sig 200 serpent from featured pool, obviously not everyone got that, but anyone in paragon or valiant should not have struggled to do that. So there are a lot of people in game using him… people will always find something to complain about regardless of what happens in game. as I said to begin with, If you don’t like him, you can avoid fighting him in every aspect of the game with bans. Simple.
I don’t think you can ban defenders in war
Noob opinion
@@kennethmorsee no but you can ban him on attack if they think he’s to strong on attack, and there are 10 people in each BG so the odds are someone else will be comfortable fighting him if another is not. Also diversity for war is more meaningful now so I doubt anyone above gold is running more than 1 serpent per group
@Havelaar420 💯 agree with you got tired of banning him so pulled him and took him up, but if he doesn't come up in your selection Ur screwed, it's too random, they only have to change Serpent a little to give the average player a chance when they don't have the perfect counter
@@deegee976dg very true, he has like 3 fast counters in a generic meta and 2 of those dont work with difficult nodes. You instapick and pray ur opponent doenst get him
Serpent is okay the way he is. I think this is a good balance for the game. It should not be a cake walk for any level of game player - end game or fledgling
Nobody is saying that. The issue is he has absolutely too much in his kit and is a overpowered champ especially on defense. The rebalance program is "supposed" to deal with a Serpent or Hercules. The game needs tough defenders and you can tune down Serpent a little and he'll still be the best defender in the game. He has like 20 plus defensive abilities and they're over tuned. I have him ranked up and I think tuning him down is the right thing to do.
😂😂😂bunch of little girls crying about a champion is hilarious!! Now they’re pushing a petition to get what they want??
Found an r3 serpent owner, also bro is still saying “little girls” to insult someone lmao
Well if you’re such a big strong man, show me how you were beating serpent at competitive speed last meta.
@@richardromero6722 hey Richard, if that really is the case what are you doing here, unless you are some kind of creep that enjoy watching little girls cry. 🤣
This game attracts the absolute worst people
@@DeepfriedBeans4492😂😂 no 7* serpent for me. I do have a 6*r5 though. Not ascended. He’s not a roadblock or automatic loss in BGs. He can be beat. Not everyone you face will have one. In war he’s also not unbeatable. If both alliances have 1 or a couple on the map he’ll be a problem for both alliances. Or he won’t. No need to make him easier to beat. The game should be challenging.
@@DontATATMeBrono it attracts the laziest people who refuse to learn the abilities of more champions. All they want to do is “Herc” everything or they cry it’s too hard.