Building the ULTIMATE DIY gaming phone
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2023
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That's a DIY Perks level build. Awesome job
Absolutely. This guy deserves more sub and view!!❤
This man deserves more
Now that is a compliment!
Frfr
0:00 frrrr
To me I think if you made the sled out of aluminum and merge it with the heatsink you can reduce the weight, improve durability, and improve heat transfer. This change would go really well if you manage to overclock it.
you can't overclock snapdragon SoCs after the Snapdragon 865 and some early 870s
@@niveZz- what phone is it note 10?
@@detecta idk what you mean but in the video he used a samsung galaxy 21 fe (snapdragon 888)
@@niveZz- i thought it was a note 10
@@niveZz- you're right. But just a small note. Most android manufacturers underclocked the SoC. So having the chipset to turbo for 70% of the time would be an awesome improvement.
Geekerwan laughing in the corner
Amazing 😂😂😂😂
Flagship mah A55!
I remember that 😅@@ChinchillaBONK
Lmao😂
Bro left cameras, do they even run games 😂😂
The SoC is on the other side of the motherboard. It touches the frame, screen and probably a heatsink to exhaust heat. You've added thermal mass but not in the most optimal place.
It will be too difficult to fit that big heat sink in front. I think back will also be fine since the soc also shares heat dissipation with the back part. It might not be as efficient but it will be better than it was imo
@@bhoot1702 Yeah he just mentioned that he thought it was the CPU but it is on the other side. Adding thermal mass is adding thermal mass, there'll be a net positive to the sink part of heatsink, but it could be loads better if there was more direct contact.
you can use universal android debloater to remove all google and meta services, and boost battery life for 20-40% (this does not need rooted phone, just enable usb debuging and thats it)
Good call!
@@ZacBuilds yeah, I used it on my old old android phone and it made my battery last even longer, I also removed stock samsung launcher using that tool and used nova7 as a launcher
Also love those diy vids and I love do smth same, but I dont have amazon, ebay, aliexperss and money ;(
Yeah, i did it on my mom's 2GB ram android 9.0 phone. It was pretty good, and the phone was so smooth.
Hey
Thanks for the advice!
The handheld looks great! I think the wood does add in a nice bit of design to it. Although I guess you could always just glue on a wood veneer to get the same look.
I did think about doing that at one point. Building the frame out of plastic and then just inserting some wood accents. But in the end I just went all wood because well... I cant help myself :)
@@ZacBuilds you should do diy project with android battery in iPhone or vise versa
@@NicVandEmZpretty sure apple would reject it
@@ZacBuilds can i buy
@@ZacBuildsNEXT DIY with SAMSUNG with Added chilling plated cooling fans and overclock🎉
This kinda content made me started to “hangout” in youtube 14 years ago. amazing work!! You just got yourself a +1 subs
Cool build but if we speak about value wise and performance Geekerwan's $150 DIY build is criminally underrated
this! Geekerwan's build is cool, but Zac's is more elegant
Until you need to spend hundreds of dollars on tools, schooling required for said tools, and a garage/workshop
For me, Geekerwan's build is definitely underrated and much more practical for an average joe. Not many can pull off 3D printing a custom chassis since it is very hard AF, but it depends on your end goal. Gotta still give it to Zac because his build is sick.
something about gluing a kishi to a phone feels wrong but dam, the end result speaks for itself, having it feeling like one solid unit at the end is gold, and yeah when you went from 3D printed prototypes to wood it made me tilt my head but it does look really nice. top-notch video!
I love your channel bro. As a man that is constantly tinkering i really appreciate how clean you keep the projects as well as the work area
Thanks man! I think a lot of that comes down to my personality and the way my brain works haha. If I have a messy work area I can't concentrate or even get started a lot of the time. So I like to keep things tidy for my own sanity 😂
@Zac Builds my brain is on rapid fire all the way through a project and when i get done i look around at tools and material scraps laying every where and think..." i sure could get more done if I didnt have spend a half day cleaning my shop each project" haha
bro the stuff ive seen from you so far are on another level, i wish i had the patience to learn it myself, someday ill surely do some of these and you'll be a gold mine for me
This is fantastic work and craftsmanship, a big well done to that man!!. I would love a piece of your work!!.
This is awesome work. Almost the video I'm looking for. I hope to see you fully convert a smartphone into a console. Like a full shell with the controls and phone in one piece. But yet again, i believe this is a first that ive seen a youtuber made something like this
7:36 I experienced this first hand few weeks ago. I was doing some messing with my old torch battery, I thought it was such a small and old battery that nothing would happen, but all of a sudden it caught fire. Thank gosh it evaporated right away and I didn't die.
Glad to hear it was a minor incident!
This is one of the few videos that I watched the whole time very carefully and sincerity.
I can't remember the last time I sat through a full add and watched it, what a great job.
Hey there.
The first issue I wanted to note is the use of the copper in the heatsink replacement. Without a heat pipe, You're looking at the quick thermal saturation of any interface or its materials without a meaningful transfer of energy to the actual heatsink added to the copper. This is because based on Thermal Conductivity alone Copper does a good job of absorbing heat, but it doesn't do a great job of transferring it. Copper sits around 400W/Mk of thermal conductivity, while a heat pipe can be in excess of 5000-100,000W/Mk.
This means that the heatsink would be slow to heat and hard to cool effectively. If you were to place a heat pipe across the length of the heatsink, it would work much better, to the point where you would near instantly see a difference in temperature from the SOC to the end of your heatsink.
Secondly, The issue with the Double battery is apparent almost instantly- due to the fact that you double capacity, you double charging times quite readily, and without the BMS to consider the second battery's health, It will assume that one battery provides the charge for both. Since the BMS only controls voltage and wear leveling, and doesn't have a way to monitor each cell individually, you can very quickly end up with a situation where you see your battery jumping around levels depending on which battery's voltage reads the highest- since they are separate cells, there is the very real possibility of the internal resistance of one cell not matching the other, causing step voltage matching. This means that the batteries face the very real possibility of mis-matched wearing and eventually diminished capacity and failure of one or more of the batteries. Usually this is corrected in BMS monitoring of multi-celled devices through what amounts to a circuit that separates the cells from one another, but ties the output together allowing them to charge individually.
The K5 Pro works but currently you have an issue with the setup of the heatsink- right now it goes (assuming the Mfrs used a thermal pad) SOC>Thermal pad>Graphite pad>Aluminum>K5 Pro>Copper>Solder>Copper>Solder>Copper>Solder>Copper>Solder>M.2 Heatsink. All those layers cause a loss in heat transfer, reducing the effective area of the copper and essentially pocketing areas of the copper that didn't fully get brazed (if you ever shear the heatsink apart, consider looking at the shims and you'll see pockets where the solder didn't reach fully, it's simply because of the change of Flux to a gaseous state causing solder to have voids." Ideally, the removal of the aluminum and thermal pads would mitigate this entirely, if in addition you swapped to a heat-pipe design. In this case you'd see SOC>TIM/K5>Copper>Solder>Heat pipe>Solder>Heatsink. Also, you *technically* don't even need the first layer of copper attached to the heat pipe, and could attach it directly to the SOC by flattening it on one side, making sure not to crush the actual pipe. This would also decrease the weight of the build.
A final consideration is the fact that there is an opportunity here to fab the entire outside case out of a block of copper, that you would then attach to the heat-pipe through soldering, and get passive cooling without an open area for the M.2 heatsink. At their max, these SOCs use about 10-13W of heat, meaning it can be easily dissipated passively in this regard.
All in All it is a novel idea and i appreciate the video- just some thoughts on what I would consider. (I was someone who built their own laptop heatsinks in the 2016-2020 years, particularly for Clevos)
These are the discussions I live for. ❤
Man who's reading all that if it blows up call it a note 7
Wow bro thanks for the info !
he already showed that the cpu and gpu was cold it was at 40 celsius?
@@eylemuyavul3055 While that may be the case, something done right the first time will lost longer than something that isn't done right. If you were to follow my instructions, you could reuse the heatsink assembly in the future for other projects if you decide.
You do some top notch builds. Keep it up
13:57
Just a tip for playing with the sealant (and anything you can fit into a caulk gun tbh): you can buy, or in your case print, extra tips to fit most tubes, and you can cut them to specific angles.
In the case of your sled, you can cut both sides to make a 45° angle, and with even pressue it will perfectly smudge the silicone so that you dont have to smear it with your fingers!
Xiaomi / poco device more cheap, capable, also more customizations..
A bit similar to geekerwan's gaming phone vid last 2022. Amazing though! I like the ingenuity you put into designing even a custom midframe. I am very happy people are doing modifications like this. I am quite amazed you did it in a s21. What a project I've been dreaming for. Too bad I could only afford a K20 Pro. Building DIY gaming phone is indeed a very fun project to do, it has its own set of challenges, especially if you'll give it better cooling. I would recommend also rooting the phone and overclocking the GPU if it is a Snapdragon CPU, and add active cooling so you could utilize the full potential of the phone.
Still, awesome build! Keep doing more of these project please
Everything's perfect. The wood looks amazing and is not a fire hazard. I like the idea of selling your knowledge. Good job as always.
This was great and I love your idea of digital sales to offset the need for a sponsor! Keep up the good work sir
What do you mean by that? 🤔
@@burgessw.9064 huh
final unit is gorgeous!
Your creativity is on par with your execution. Both are amazing! Great vid, keep up this interesting content ♥
A little tip for anybody wanting to double up a battery in a project or something. As long as you put hot to hot and negative to negative when you're only wanting to increase the amount of battery life you want. You should be fine. Just make sure that you keep everything well isolated and do your best to try not to bridge any connections to ground
Have you come across any BMS board that refuse to work with multiple cells?
@@chench1lla no not really. But, I've never really increased the number of cells by what some could consider an unreasonable amount. I have a electronic air duster that lasts like 3 minutes at full blast which isn't enough time to really do anything. I opened it up and it had three batteries in series. So I took three batteries and combined them in series in the same way that they were in the device. I hooked those two up in parallel and connected them to the BMS. It doesn't last twice as long but it does last a good bit longer. You just need to make sure that if you're trying to increase capacity. You put them in parallel. Putting them in series increases the amount of voltage they can produce.
It's simple af ..
Assume 4v 150mah battery example
4v 150 + 4v 150 (in series) = 8v 150mah
4v 150 + 4v 150 (in parallel) = 4v 300mah.
@@SumitMishra-qm4ql I mean when you think about it it is but you didn't really describe it simply. Series increases voltage parallel increases how long they last. That simple.
@@Dtr146 i told the same brother!! (Mah means milliampere-hour)
Awesome Zac! Thanks for sharing! I hope you’re doing well! 😎👊
Thank you! My pleasure this was a ton of fun to make. Hope you're doing well too!
Nicely done, Zac, thank you
Need more videos like this. I love tinkering with phones and pushing them to their absolute limit.
Great job. You also can use Thermal Grizzly Kryo sheets for thermal transfer if you don't have any K5 or prefer a less messy solution.
Man I wish I had the skills/tools to build this, this is amazing. Solid work bro it turned out awesome 🤙🏽
All it takes is the drive to start. Think of a project you want to try, research what you can then dive in(carefully)
If you have a basic understanding then you should be able to do it. It mat take you a little while but you can do it. I have enough understanding that I think I can do this. The only thing that may make thiw hard is the tedious stuff which is basically the whole thing. If you have experience soldering electronics then you can do it.
anyone can learn to do anything theyre interested in, get on it my dude
I used to listen to a cool ska/bluegrass fusion band called Silver Hearts. You sound and look like their Trombone player. And I'm glad I found your channel.
Two little advice that I think I can provide:
I personally don't think that using copper as a heat conductor from the Soc to the fins is not very effective, even though copper is some of the most thermally conductive metal on earth. However, there is this thing called heat pipe, which is more effective than copper at conducting heat, especially at longer distances. Samsung used vapor chambers (basically a flattened out heat pipe) to cool some of their phones' Soc. Maybe you can use a heat pipe or two to get the heat of the Soc into the fins faster.
I think the Soc of modern phones typically face towards the screen, so in this project you are likely to be cooling the back of the Soc through a metal shield, and there is a possibility that there is an air gap under this shield. It might not be too big of a concern, but for an "ultimate DIY gaming phone", it would be interesting to see whether desoldering that shield, adding a blob of thermal paste, and soldering the shield back on will help with heat dissipation.
Other than that, great work, and thanks to you I now know an easy way to get cheap phones😆
Heat pipe is just copper in different shape.
@@bulletpunch9317 Actually, it is not.
Heat pipes and vapor chambers both use the heat of evaporation and condensation to move liquid around inside the copper enclosure, allowing for a much higher thermal conductivity than regular solid copper.
@@bfbunny sure, i know its not solid, i thought you had no idea whay heatpipes were made of.
Great points. I thought he would desolder the shield. I always suspected that the soc will face the screen, and that somehow a better option would include both. If that's not possible, a heatsink to the back would work.
A perfect option would add a small quiet fan, which would open the path for overclocking it a bit. I know Samsung phones have the game center power optimization which I assume overclock the phone to some extent. Otherwise Geekerwan had some crazy creations of their own. Seemed promising.
I have a spare pocoF1 lying around. I might do something similar with it.
that phone has a desktop mode when connected through hdmi, you missed an opportunity to make it dockable. Maybe in the next revision
You should recalibrate the battery because the phone can't really recognize that it has a bigger battery and it will have some charging problems, you can just set the capacity manually if the phone is rooted but since you can't root it, it's worth trying to recalibrate it...just for the sake of it 🙂
You don't need to do that. The phone doesn't know how many Ah are in the battery. It can only use the voltage as a reference. Since the batteries are in parallel the voltage will be the same and will just drop slower (or charge slower for that matter)
@chizisj true, but that's more of a reference for the phone, as it's going to use the more important voltage as it's metric to determine how much is left especially given that the mAh/Ah of a battery will change/decrease over time
I love DIY perks voice
@@chizisjTo hardcode a certain capacity value would quickly turn disastrous as overcharging a degraded battery could make it explode. Voltage is the important metric. Of course current can and often is measured. But it doesn't impact the charging procedure.
I added a larger battery to an old phone and it shows the battery level dropping over time even though the voltage is via a regulator and never changes. Then at the end of the normal capacity, it throws a warning, which you can ignore and keep going, but it gets tedious. So yes! Android knows the original capacity and reacts accordingly
Wow this is a cool build!
My phone is a standard gaming phone and actually came with a heat sync in the box (It's the ROG Phone 7 Ultimate, if you were curious as to what crazy phone maker does that) The only thing it didn't come with is a controller grip. The heat sync has extra programmable buttons on the back which is cool, but the main controls are still just virtual buttons. So maybe I should do something like this, though of course just making the controller. Food for thought.
Awesome! I might need to subscribe to you, i just found your channel and there are so many cool projects there.
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absolutely amazing 🔥🔥🔥🔥 i really like your work 👍
Amazing build, did you consider using a heat pipe to bridge the contact pad on the SOC with the heatsink instead of solid copper? They're pretty cheap and can be braised as well if you're careful with the heat.
i love that the screen is so smooth, it starts sliding away on the table
Might be a good idea to revisit this
Amazing vid! Thankyou for going beyond what other youtubers have done countless times before. And giving ideas on how to use black listed phones.
Feel like this would be a good project for wood veneer on the outside for both stability and looks.
If you ever decide to make a V2, a kickstand would be overkill, but it'd be cool to see done. Regardless, this turned out great. Awesome video, definitely one of my favorite channels to watch!
I hope you make like this more in the future! In different model/brand of phones
Bro i hope you put this on market. Definitely gonna buy one of those. ❤❤❤❤
Ever since you teased it I was pumped up. And you didn't disappoint! Keep it up 👍🏿
Hell ya man, glad you liked it!
Man, the whole interesting part for me was seeing this get overclocked and how the battery and heat would work out in the end
how was the phone the part you thought less about?
Really great video, but this felt like a "it's the journey that matters, not the destination" type of vid
would love to see something like this being pushed to it's limits while still being usable and looking nice
tbf, to most people phones are made to be the same so they may not realize the stuff the company's do to try to make them hard to repair. yes a bit of googling whoulda help avoid this problem in the first place but not everyone gonna do that cuz to some a phone is just a phone regardless of the make and model
Its a Snapdragon on Samsung phone, no overclocking =/
yeah that sucks if its exynos youre good but if its snapdragon youre screwed@@canguro1638
Impressive. And the wood brings a special uniqueness to your build.
what is umbrella doing here 🤨
They want to make contract with him
😂😂
Zac you are so underrated in UA-cam. Love your content 🙌🏻
Thank you!
did you edit the system to read the new bathery data?
Such a cool build. Well done.
one of the best videos on youtube, i am your latest subscriber, hope to see more content like this
That was awesome, dude!
I love your work. Your videos are consistently informative and entertaining. You deserve a million subscribers for these builds.
Wow, thank you!
I was very skeptical about the use of wood, but from the looks of the final product, it turned out to be super cool.
I love it when i come across these videos
it looks so nice as well!!
You should have added a little fan in the back
There was someone who used a Xiaomi mi9 with a similar setup
Just that he actually removed the camera module to install a fan,and was able to root the phone
And the oc Game Performance was so great it was on par with the sd888
Even better than 8 gen 1 (Samsung fabrication)
Great work zac! It’s one of my dream that i could build one out of my old android phones.
And recently, i only could make a simple heatsink only with graphite stickers and thermal paste on my ios. I wonder if you could giving me ideas how should I cooling this my XS Max(it’s framing only for online classes before applying thermal paste, it sucks you know). I looking forward of your ideas. Once again, your DIY builds are Awesome!
Hey, awesome one!
Just to mention, there are great hub devices in the market, with usb-c plug, with pass-through charging, although this will fill the device more slowly, and HDMI output.
Soldiering the kishi's plug to one of USB-A input of the hub, provide a port to transfer data to the phone, and make free way to the HDMI port, if the phone support it, should be not a problem for your skills!
And yeah, the final product would be more bulky, I guess...
I would have loved to see you do this with Asus Rog phone 6-7 ultimate.
Although it's expensive af.
So maybe kinda defeats the purpose. But would be insane to see if they can actually emulate botw at 60fps because they are seriously powerful for being a phone.
Specifically for this unit you might want to make a Custom ROM to make gaming and emulations and stuff way neater and also to force the phone to be landscape oriented permanently. For the gamepad flanking both sides, it'll be weird if you have to go portrait mode i think hahaha
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As he mentions, he can't because it is unrootable
he should have been used a unlockable bootloader samsung phone so that he could but he cant due to its being a locked version@@shahtayyib
We need a part 2 on just the battery performance. Thats something I've always that of doing for years without worry about the chunkyness it add😍😍
the sudden appearance of DIY Perks at 5:36 really burst the laughs off of me😂
When you doubled the battery your amps increased so you have to reprogram the phone to the new battery capacity
The phone uses the same amperage, each battery drains half as fast. Percentage is based on voltage, as the battery gets more drained its voltage drops. It should all still work fine
Amps are pulled, not pushed. If the phone was drawing a certain current at a certain voltage then putting batteries in parallel wouldn't change the voltage and have no effect on the current drawn.
The charging of the batteries could be an issue though ...
the phone won't know the difference, it bases the battery percentage based on the battery voltage.
Here consoles are made so modern games gett better experience and not al mobiles run equally 😊
most modern phones track battery wear over time and this is done through a coulomb counter (literally measures charge) so yes, you need to change some kernel files so the charge controller is aware of the increase in size
@ZacBuilds have you considered that "blacklisted" very well could be due to being stolen
cool, would be nice seeing active cooling like in the geekerwan video and the software really makes a big difference
Bro, in my country that's a lot of money.. amazing work... Kudos
5:36 W Moment
You could use graphene pads by derbauer, they are better at thermal transfer than a puddy and don't dry out like a paste, but a paste or liquid metal would be better at thermal transfer, but for not having to touch something for a long time I think the pad is good for that, im so gonna make an octoprint device out of a old phone and soup it up like this so I don't have to worry bout having it on 247
that DIY Perks cameo got me, love that guy ❤
I made similar (but also much less sophisticated) build to my old phone. I used wooden sticks for starting fireplaces (very well machined, perfect rectangle/thickness on all of them, sold by Baumax I think), cut them to proper pieces and made a fitting "cradle" that attached the phone to GPU heatsink (with fans of course). Then used high capacity power bank to power the fans on the heatsink and could also charge the phone if needed (charging slows the performance of course but was neat). I could play for hours on my potato phone some really good games without fast thermal throttling. And the phone stayed cool so you didn't get those sticky/hot fingers after a while. It was quite heavy, also like 0,5kg maybe more. But totally worth it.
Great build! Hopefully you don't anger Nintendo with this one 😂
Thanks! and hopefully they see the fact that I've bought basically every system and first party game they've ever made and leave me alone. But that's probably just wishful thinking haha
@@ZacBuilds lol same. I've been collecting for ~35 years now. Still have all my original consoles and games from when I was a kid. I would love to put some Nintendo content on my channel but they have a bad habit of confusing friend with foe.
Anyone else cringing at the thermal paste application?
Came to the comments looking for it.
This was really cool!
the DIY Perks easter egg makes my day as he's my favourite diy craftsman on youtube.
you can root it. i can help if you want to
He's a content creator and the rooting process is not rocket science.
Why would he need your help ?!? 😂
He actually said in the video that he wasn't able to root the phone as it's locked.
I bought a, powerbank and a cooling fan...
Any phone cooler fan will not make a measurable difference in temperature without making a lot of noise, as Zac did adding thermal mass, even with little to no active cooling it's better for low power usage, adding an m.2 cooler over the phone chasis would lead to similar results without voiding warranty.
Lol 😂🤣😂
nice work love it mate
Geekerwan did this 1 year ago glad there's another one I can watch!
5:35 is this some sort of maker joke that im too normie to understand?
That's DIY Perks, dude is a legend.
Indeed, I got the idea of brazing together the heatsink by watching one of his videos where he was working with brass.
Yes
Steamdeck 2.0 sort of
1:42 dude I had no idea, thank you!!
That was the best ad i have ever seen
the self sponsorship thing is so cool, and i definitely want to support it. will be back when i have a project going on
I'm glad I stumbled upon this just for the incredible sponsor section of the vid
In case you wanted the absolute best performance in thermal transfer, there are a handful of companies that will just sell you pre-bent, pre-flattened heat pipes of various dimensions. The only challenge is actually attaching other bits to the heat pipes. You can solder to them, but you need to use a relatively low temperature solder and you need to use a fair amount of heat because the heat pipe will be sinking that heat rapidly. But you can't use too much heat or the liquid inside will boil and it'll pop.
You have just solved two of the major problems of mobile gaming with DIY...
Heating issues and Battery life...🔥🔥🔥
its lookin kinda intresting end of the vid but im most impressed about ur honest words about the failures with rom/ storage access etc.
u talked about root not possible. first of all u dont need it. u can use a tool called odin to flash twrp and after that u can flash a custom rom with build-in root. u just need to access og usb port for that. storage access looks bad but im personally send all my data over wifi to phone etc. most funny way is using desktop whatsapp and choosin urself to mssg. yes u can send urself files with whatsapp. and funny mails too :D keep in mind whatsapp only support
you damn earned a sub and a like using the ad on the video !!
A cooling mod i used to have ip8+ piece of floor tile with thermal paste taped to the back over the cpu was, great cooling mod
Nice job sir big respect 👏
someone finally made my dream phone practical
Bro i couldn't understand anything but i was enjoying the vedio i subscribed to your channel ❤
Hey dude I like ur sponsor, they are soo cool!!
Awesome job
nice, just bought your pdf material,. very well explained, nice stuff indeed, thanks for the good material
Oh awesome, thanks for the feedback and so glad you liked it!
It's really cool man
this dude made a custom handheld, thats sick!
Inspiration 🔥thank you Sir 🙏