Why I Hate My BMW F10 M5
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2022
- For the most part I love my 2016 BMW M5, that is until it's time to do maintenance on the car. Out of all the BMWs I've ever owned, the S63 engine has to be the most annoying one to work on due to the lack of room in the engine bay. In today's video I will show you an example of what I mean.
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Might have found a hack of some sort. BMW offers an ignition coil connector that allows you to run the earlier style coils that have the tab in the middle. You just have to remove the existing connectors and pin in the new ones. Part #12527519996. Will try this out and update you guys here in this comment.
This will be nice! I’ll have to give the Dinan coils a try if this works!
Lol it's pronounced Delphiiii not Delpheee. Anyway they are not bad but the best there is is Eldor. I've ran them all.
Sounds like my relationship with my e60 m5 "I love it, but I hate it" lol. Big props to you working on your own car tho, good learning experiences is what it's all about.
Wow, I had no idea it was more of a pain between the s63 compared to my 550i n63tu. I do have to remove the cold air intakes to get to the coils and plugs but the dmes are in the front of the engine bay, out of the way. Seems like a pain in the ass for where they put the dmes on the s63. Despite the extra work needed on my car, I still love it and wouldn't change the smiles the car has brought me!
A great tool for spark plug installation is a piece of 3/8 in fuel line tubing. Works great for initial insertion of the plugs.
Great video as always! Keep ‘em coming my boy!
I did the same recently on my 14 M5, .025gap with the same plugs on a BPM Sport Stage 1 tune. I was able to do the plugs without fully disconnecting the DMEs, and basically unbolting them and shoving them out of the way. It was a tight fit for sure, but a few hours later and alot of cursing the job was done...BPM tune is great, it's how the car should have been in the first place...keep up the good work!
Went through this exact same thing on my 2016. The Dinan coils are the same with the notch. They say to remove the notch which I did and they still don’t plug in properly without force. I went with the BMW OE Delphi ones on FCP. Expensive but you only have to buy them once on FCP lifetime warranty. Same with MAF sensors.
Peep my pinned comment.
Why aren't you using Redline 5w50 ? I was just wondering if that's all I use in mine and it seems to help with the oil consumption. I'm glad you're showing the other side of owning these cars. 👍
I agree! I want an m5 next and it’s great too know the pros and cons
If its hot weather that oil is very good if its cold it will blow a gasket ..it doesn't matter on oil consumption if its weather proper the oil.
I’m on my second F10 M5. Oil consumption was a thing on my first car 1qt for 5k mi. (Liqui Moly SpecialTec). Then I reduced oil change interval to every 3k mi. And it went away. Now I got Stage 2 F10 M5 and every 5k miles only OEM oil I have 0 oil consumption. On side note if I were you I’d test your oil for any signs of rod bearing wear. Better safe then sorry
Great videos and content! Quick question can you fit 305'svon the stock wheels?
I had the same issue with 17 x6M the coils are different I would not use standard ones with an adapter the new style coils have higher output and are better but I do understand the price for them is ridiculous lol
Must’ve gotten lucky with my 2013 M5! First oil change, since purchasing the car, at 75,250 miles. I’m currently at 77,950 and haven’t had to add any oil… yet lol. But I feel your pain I did the plugs and coils the other day and took me about 3 and a half hours. I left both DME’s in place and used extensions and a universal joint, does look a bit easier to remove the wiring harness tho
What the fuck you waited 75,000 miles to change the oil? I bet that oil was satin black when it came out
@@derrickbosler9704 Yup I had to use a toilet plunger and shop vac but eventually got all the oil out
@@usedtuber5307 wait you mean you bought the car at 75k miles or replaced the oil at 75k miles?
@@luka_abh 😂 yes that is what I meant
Can do a cross section of the coils, to see if there is any difference internally. I wonder if there is a difference in the number of windings for the primary and secondary coils. Perhaps a difference in the spring design. If everything is the same, then it truly just a plastic notch making the difference.
are we ever going to see the crash footage of the frozen black M5?
you think he's gonna embarrass himself like that??? 😂😂😂😂
You guys are persistent. It's been nearly a year since the incident 😂
@@malps420 it's not even embarrassing just a learning experience
@@VehicleVirals I mean, you did say you would share it 🤷🏿♂️
@@travis4161 *might*
perfect timing, I need to do this too
What difference does the spark plug gap make? Especially a .02 difference?
Plug #6 looks like excess oil is reaching in there, if it smells like fuel on the spark plug, you have a leaky injector. My advice is install oil catch cans and add water methanol, iat’s go through the roof on these cars. Crank case vent hoses can also cause misfires because of vacuum leak and make you think injectors are bad. Check for vacuum and boost leaks, they are more an issue than injectors going bad.
Compare to S85 V10, S63 is better in oil consumption.
Of the 3 S63 I have, none of them approached S85 in oil consumption.
But that sweet manual and low end torque. F10 is a fun car to drive.
S85 will always be better.
Where's the shop you guys were at? I saw that white E90 coupe back there
is there a difference between Dinan’s coils and OEM/Delphi?
I ran into that problem with the coils on my n54 and I cut the little plastic piece in the middle and it worked
I always tell people that the German car brands are not less reliable, its just that they are more expensive to maintain. And for the Japanese car brands to run properly you still need to maintain them as well.
All cars are a “maintenance headache” compared to a bicycle. But as an owner of an older Japanese car, maintenance is a pain but it is largely reliable - I have only been stranded once and that was because of an alternator. I think BMWs r worth it if you know cars, or if you are good at DIY. Compared to Japanese cars, there is so much more info in the internet for German and some American cars - which is something I appreciate.
Congrats to you and ali for your garage bro awesome bro
Thank you 🙏🏼
@@VehicleVirals yessir I'm happy for you guys I will keep rooting for you guys all the success in the world for the both of you god bless my friend looking forward to seeing all the badass content you guys put out.
Are there any years for the m5 that the oil consumption is better ??
i’m in market for a new car and i can find these with around 40,000 miles for around 30, i’ve had 3 cars 07 750i, gti, and a audi a6 all 3 of them have issues with oil. so is the m5 a reliable ish car where i don’t have to worry about dumping 10k into my car?
Need to do a video on why you love your cars.
I love that car brother looks amazing
Hello. One question: do you know where is the fuel filter? I can't find it.
Coils and plugs are probably the easiest thing to change on the S63/S63
So I’ve read you can install later coils on earlier cars (as you found out the connector is different on the harness) but also checkout eldor coils as I heard they’re the best out there but who knows (I’m running stage 1 with Bosch coils)
No need to unplug the dme's to do this. You can remove the bracket instead of unplugging the DMEs.
Hey, is it normal that i have to put 1 quarter of oil every 1000-1200 km on my N54 335i ?
you should add cerartec to your engine oil. There is feedback that it helps with oil consumption.
bro i feel your pain. i love the car till i have to work on it; then i start cursing at it lol
sucks at you guys are not local, having that same issue with my 2015 F10 M5 with cylinder #6 and #8 misfiring goes on limp mode when u try to push it,
i was told i have to replace all 8 injectors - 8 spark plugs which have those OEM smh and going to step it up to NKG - then mention to replace all 8 coils, smh the world of M5s
"This one has Caca"...lmfao!!!
holy moly, i thought swapping my turbo in the evo x was annoying...
Install the b58 coils with the jumper harnesses / boots and reflash the dwell times ;)
Why?
@@VehicleVirals you like to go fast right?
Lol I’ve been watching for about 3 months and I was like wtf . Who am I watching . That don’t sound like you ! Haha I just seen your video where you were barley staring to learn how to blog . . “ where you started making 335 videos . Idk who your viewers were before but you I’m glad you started to make videos on this Aswell .
Can I email you ?
Just imagine what this would cost if these dudes had no knowledge about this car. Thousands of dollars just on strength. So don’t get the 2016 BMW M5 basically lol.😂Nice vid though brother.
Let's get itt💪💪
Just run 5w50...I have a modded F90 M5 and I do my oil changes every 5k miles and not a hint of oil consumption. I'm at 50k miles...Unless your rings or pvc are bypassing heavy, then it should slow down or stop your consumption
That’s a heavyweight oil. I’m U.K. based, but the recommendation here is 0w30
@@kcranswick BMW recommends 0w30 for fuel economy and so the engine blows up and you gotta buy another car lol
@@wickedpistonracing what about 5w40 liqui moly? Is this enough protection or really must go
Up To 5w50?
@@av8743 5w50 my friend and you'll make that motor last...5w40 I still saw about 1/2 to almost 1 qt of consumption at 5k miles on a f10 m5....none with 5w50
I recommend 5w-40 diesel truck oil
Your voice sounds like you’re terribly sick feel better brother!
Can you use dragy as a normal dash cam setup?
I feel like your phone would overheat. I wouldn't recommend it.
Warwick Rhode Island strong boiiii
Are NGK ignition coils any good ?
I'd stick to elder or Delphi.
Before I rebuilt my S54 it would burn 1 quart every oil change at 3000 miles with LiquiMoly 10w60, after the rebuild, at 3000 miles it won't even burn half a quart.
Did you use different piston rings in your rebuild?
Love the bmw dong when you swear haha . It’s the details
My 2014 m5 Makes it 5000 miles before I have to add a quart. Then its time for an oil change anyways.
Eldor coils only! Not the delphis lol
Nice 👍🏽
Its .022 for 1step and .020 for 2step
Only straight sixes for me when it comes to bmws
Yes, sir. My F10 M5 drinks oil for breakfast, lunch, and dinner just as yours.
Can't be any worse than my 1981 rabbit diesel lol
what wheels do you have on them ?
Look in the description
Voice sounds clapped
😂😂😂
Eldor coils are way better design and quality idk how you like those Delphi. I had dinan coils that are the same design as delphi and failed on me after 1500 miles
I've used both Eldor and Delphi coils. They equally did the job for me long term.
I thought the plugs looked ok, maybe the gap was to big? IDK
Bruh after watching this im happy with my M4 Comp lmao shit easy.
N63tu is the same shit bro but S63 is suppose to be slightly better bcuz BMW was suppose to update there Valve seals
When you drive the car normally. It doesn't have those problems off eating to much oil
Use a thin soldering Iron to burn the little plastic piece so you can still use the cheaper coils
$700 for coils is evil
💯
I opened this thinking it was going to be keeping up with the paint, BTW I HATE keeping up with my paint. I went to 5w/40 and notice way less oil consumption btw
I bumped to 5W-40 + risloane ring seal- MASSIVE difference in consumption
Same I put 5w-40 in my 335i and it hasn’t burned oil In 1200 miles
@@jamisonebert2398 I used the Liquid Moly Cera-Tec as well
BMW S63 And Delphi DO NOT GO TOGETHER! Put the oem Bosch in it!
Y not use Dinan coils?
These are the closest to original BMW spec most people use them for there BMW
Dinan coils have the notch too. S63 motors with build date after 11/2015 have different plug harness for coils.
My M5 isn’t like that. Might have got a lemon
I will make a resume to edit for you gladly haha i have a kid and i want to use my skills as my next job
Use 10W60 from Castrol
Thats for the 2008-2013 m3
I was set on buying an M5 until I saw this. No freaking way it’s that difficult to change plugs. Screw that
That is utterly ridiculous
Way more difficult than the n63
Wow, I'll just stick with the N63. The S63 is a big hassle.
Huh lmao. You are nuts
#1 reason, because it's not frozen black...
Well if you don’t want it I’ll take it
nightmare
Dang. Your voice sounds different.
Those spark plugs are not cheap lmfaoooooo
For one I believe is like 50$
I will never understand people which are crying to change coils and sparkplugs on m5,,or any other german super car,it is pain in ass for you and you install parts diy and you install aftermarket parts not genuine ones,so when aftermarket parts fail they blame Bmw (same like hoovies do),but when you have m5,amg,or audi s6 that means that you have a lot of money for maintenance or service do that instead of you,anyway I will never let that aftermarket parts are installed in my car only genuine ones,so for that reasons german cars have bad reputation in Usa and in Europe,genuine parts will last longer i know that very well,you need to know that is difficult to change coils in any german v8,and for modern amg engines you need diagnostic equipment to reset ecu.
Those are 100% not the same exact. You need to put the BOSCH or you will have lots of misfires under high rpm
Fake news. My M5 comes factory with Delphi
@@joey7253 it doesn't matter if you have an M5. I have a later model that has different DMEs, injectors and coils. Not that I need to show you proof, but here's the link:
www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw-direct-ignition-coil-genuine-bmw-12138611236
@@VehicleVirals Ok, I see what you are saying now...My apologies. I have a 2015 M5, my coil is the same as the N54, crazy that BMW updated it for 2016. Id just modify the cheaper old one as you said in the video.
@@VehicleVirals I see it. Can't believe they did that, makes no sense. I still think you should be able to use the old style coil...good luck with however you approach it.
@@joey7253 Yeah BMW switched from Bosch to delphis and then elder coils. Look at my pinned comment, there is a way around using the older coils but I'm not sure if they are the same internally.
One advice never tune a car especially a M car, what the hll you need the extra horse power for, street light pull ups? Tuning is just a waste of time and money. Also stock cars sell way better.
Does his voice changed or im trippin
5 sec after I wrote this comment he explained 😂
😂😂
You sound different
The S63 and n63 are straight assss, I don’t know why people love new bmw v8s I’d just stick to b58s and s58s
Speak for yourself
@@optionant5963 exactly
Damn I thought the n54 was a bitch to work on
honestly the N54 is a very easy engine to work on just time consuming if you’re new like me
After all of the crap talking about the S55... you think they would buy spark plugs from you LOL... maybe the 335 bois
Shoot, I want an S55 :)
New shop equals new voice ???
Nah, just lost my voice from being sick 😂
You will need 315’s trust me
Can't fit 315s on my current wheel setup
Probably the worst of the top 3 German "engineered to fail" brands... Oil consumption. Sensor failures. Plastic waterpumps. Endless dashlight warnings lol... But hey, all the problem denying owners... Enjoy 😊😁
I have no reason to lie. I'm speaking from my experience, having owned two of them. I can't speak for poorly maintained ones.
If you hate it sell it what are you making a video of it.
i wish i had one to hate
bruh you have like 10 bmws all tuned up and shit and you pay for them all, but you crying about 600 on some coils.
Even if I was a millionaire I'd be crying about $600 coils.
You have ruined such a special car
You're welcome
Are there any years for the m5 that the oil consumption is better ??