This is a very respectable charging curve and charge time! 26 minutes to go 10-80% is respectable, even if it's not class leading. Depending on how much range you can get on 70% charge, it could be quite the road trip monster.
It charges 40 kwh in 13-14 minutes and 60 kwh in 28 minutes. So if you want a super fast overall trip you should drive it to basically empty and then charge just 40 kwh every 200km. But that also depends on how far the chargers are from the motorway exits.
A comment about ID.4/ID.5 pro. The benefit about flat curve is that they can achieve better speed when plugged in with higher SOC. For example starting with about 30% SOC it can still jump to almost optimum curve. Which is a biggish benefit in real life when you're not always able to optimize your route in a way that you can plug in with very low SOC.
Excellent charging capabilities for long trips. What I find cool is that you see a current estimate of the DC charging speed for a given state of the battery (SoC, temperature). Even more cool is that you can manually activate battery heating and that an estimate is given of how long it will take to achieve optimal DC charging power. These are innovative features that are very useful. Well done VW.
@BatteryLife let’s measure battery capacity for the next video. Using Car Scanner Pro you can see total battery content in kwh. I doubt you will see 77kwh. Maybe 74-75kwh ;)
Didn't you watch the video? He charged 71 kwh from 10-95%. That corresponds to 83,5 kwh from 0-100, with assumed 5% charging losses you are still at 79kwh.
I see a necessity of half an hour stop every 2h of the long trips almost... 250kw needs to be a min. standard to make it work for me, oh and more respectable range of 400km at least.
Wait, you have to manuelly tell it to preheat? lolz, dont need to mention wich brand does all these things it self? ;D VW software still seems like something made in 2005 😂
Did you not watch the video? VW has made one of the (if not the) best implementations of battery preheating with both navigation/automated and manual enabling with rich information how long it takes, what one would get if not preheated and what the upside is if preheated.
They are saying this id7 is a huge flop. In China the sales are one of the lowest for any new EV ever Which I find kind of surprising. I get that sedans are nkt the biggest segment, but this vehicle seems pretty good, and it looks good
@@DqtubeEven in EU this expensive car doesn’t bring any additional value for the money. The market wants and needs higher value for the money cars. The “old” concept of a successful car is value for the money. The Germans , Japanese nor Koreans can deliver those anymore, now it’s time for the Chinese manufacturers to have their successes.
@@Harrythehun Interesting view, but Chinese brands are not a better choice in the European market. They have similar prices to local brands for the product without the service network, spare parts availability and customer support. The only slightly successful Chinese brand here is Volvo, which has European roots.
Lets see how many of those ID7 pro improvements will transfer to ID4 2024. ID7 is too long for me and I need SUV but the current ID4 doesn't do it for me.
That means that the bigger battery will have a peak charge power of +- 212 kW! 10-80% should stay the same charging time. 26min is very good for a 400V system.
Depends if the additional module gets connected in parallel or series to the rest of the battery. If parallel, peak will be limited by the 500A CCS limit.
@@pieter85 I see. When you talk about max current for (safe) charging of batteries that is based on gross capacity not net capacity. So use 13/12 method for calc. "Only 12 modules possible on MEB platform.." No, max is 16 modules that will be used for the gross 400 MJ (111 kWh) battery for a later ID Buzz version. The max modules depend on the size of the box used for a certain model. For ID.3 and ID.4 that both have wheelbase 277 cm is 12 modules. Whereas ID Buzz (short wheelbase) 299 cm and ID7 297 cm. They have space for 2 more modules. ID Buzz LWB (long wheelbase) will be 324 cm. That will have space for 16 modules. "Will there be a different cell chemistry in ID7 big battery?" No. There was a battery cell update spring 2023 where LG ES launched a new generation. LG presented it at Power2Drive in München 2023-06, with facelifted ID3 and Renault Megane-E at their stand. They stated improved fire safety, and a small capacity increase from 6.9 Ah to 7.0 Ah per cell for cells in ID3. Megane-E uses similar cell chemistry but cells are less high, that is how Megane-E have a lower (thinner) floor.
@@RobertPuklin It will increase in series, so max voltage will increase from max 402 V (12 modules) to max 437 V (13 modules). Which is neat because ~8% higher power (charging and discharging) with no increase in current. 500 A is often mentioned as CCS limit, however there is no specific limit in the standard, it is more of a convention. Huber and Suhner makes CCS cables and handles. They have CCS cables that can charge at 800 A for hours through 4 m cable.
Great to see you so happy about your ID.7. VW now listing these models in RHD in our market at about 35% more than a Model Y. Different cars, I give the price as a reference only.
Based on info in internet, Model Y standard with BYD battery is close contender with ID7 (flat 175 kW to 50%, then drops but not like a rock - however smaller capacity leads to frequent if brief stopping on long trips). Based on both personal experience and info elsewhere, Model 3/Y Long Range is inferior to ID7 even if it peaks at 250 kW - as power drops real quick to 100 kW at 50%. In any cast the Koreans are the best with significant margin in comparable price range, as far as I know.
@@mjpk987 That was my gut feeling too. It would still be interesting to the long range battery side by side with Id7 since they are of comparable size. One advantage of the BYD battery MY over the Id7 is you get maximum power for a while almost regardless of SoC. So you don't have to hit the spot at 10-15% SoC to get the best speed. Makes you wonder about degradation though...
@@HotHatchTV The old one has better curve to start with. However based on my own car, 2021 LR drops below 100 kW consistently when charged from deep maxing 250 kW. This seems to be the experience of others as well. Though, if charged using lower power charger, then above 100 kW seems to last longer, and that may be the observation your information is based on?
Did you try to pre heating the battery while plugged in? Would that work? That would be nice to start a winter road trip with a warm battery to get better millage. Also, do you have any info on how much energy it takes to heat up the battery to optimal temp? Thanks!!
This is a very respectable charging curve and charge time! 26 minutes to go 10-80% is respectable, even if it's not class leading. Depending on how much range you can get on 70% charge, it could be quite the road trip monster.
It charges 40 kwh in 13-14 minutes and 60 kwh in 28 minutes. So if you want a super fast overall trip you should drive it to basically empty and then charge just 40 kwh every 200km. But that also depends on how far the chargers are from the motorway exits.
Really good charging. You’re the happiest German I’ve seen! 😃and you should be very happy. I’m jealous 😊. Have fun.
Love the battery pre-heating feature. Really want that on my ID4...
Which you won’t.
Sadly true
Very impressive charging curve, batteries keep getting better 👏 😂
Let us hope that your Hank has a better end as within breaking bad. 😁
We are still driving a audi e-tron 60 S, and its crazy how it charges always at 150kw, and still at 99% at 50kw. Still one of the best.
Great charging speed, one more good argument for me to buy an ID.7 soon.
A comment about ID.4/ID.5 pro. The benefit about flat curve is that they can achieve better speed when plugged in with higher SOC. For example starting with about 30% SOC it can still jump to almost optimum curve. Which is a biggish benefit in real life when you're not always able to optimize your route in a way that you can plug in with very low SOC.
Excellent charging capabilities for long trips. What I find cool is that you see a current estimate of the DC charging speed for a given state of the battery (SoC, temperature). Even more cool is that you can manually activate battery heating and that an estimate is given of how long it will take to achieve optimal DC charging power. These are innovative features that are very useful. Well done VW.
Great charging performance!
Nothing to bitch about here :) .
It would be also interesting to see graphs with percentage over time and/or kwh over time.
Google charging curve, they're easy to find. If UA-cam didn't remove links, I'd post it.
4:46 Oh wow, 150 kW at 50 % - finally the "best in class" charge curve VW promised for ID Buzz?
@BatteryLife let’s measure battery capacity for the next video. Using Car Scanner Pro you can see total battery content in kwh. I doubt you will see 77kwh. Maybe 74-75kwh ;)
Didn't you watch the video? He charged 71 kwh from 10-95%. That corresponds to 83,5 kwh from 0-100, with assumed 5% charging losses you are still at 79kwh.
@@Psi-Storm only 77kwh not 79 are useable on the paper. I believe in the real world scenario it will be less than 75
It is exactly 77.000 Wh.
So that is not a real number, it is what the battery tells the obd port
bro you clearly have no clue, pls don't talk
I see a necessity of half an hour stop every 2h of the long trips almost...
250kw needs to be a min. standard to make it work for me, oh and more respectable range of 400km at least.
...and costs under 10k 😉
@@BatteryLife one day for sure! I think It would get my attention somewhere around 30k Euro so maybe in a few years time will come for me, who knows.
Great "Unbiased" reporting
10-80%
Wait, you have to manuelly tell it to preheat? lolz, dont need to mention wich brand does all these things it self? ;D VW software still seems like something made in 2005 😂
You can set a switch so it does it on its own on the way to a charger.
MG also has a manual preheat option, being a cheap brand.
Did you not watch the video? VW has made one of the (if not the) best implementations of battery preheating with both navigation/automated and manual enabling with rich information how long it takes, what one would get if not preheated and what the upside is if preheated.
They are saying this id7 is a huge flop. In China the sales are one of the lowest for any new EV ever Which I find kind of surprising. I get that sedans are nkt the biggest segment, but this vehicle seems pretty good, and it looks good
Is it for sale yet in China? They only had 300 pre-orders according 1 source. Not the same car (tech) as in Europe btw.
For the average Chinese this car is expensive and for the wealthy it is not enough extravagant.
@@DqtubeEven in EU this expensive car doesn’t bring any additional value for the money. The market wants and needs higher value for the money cars. The “old” concept of a successful car is value for the money. The Germans , Japanese nor Koreans can deliver those anymore, now it’s time for the Chinese manufacturers to have their successes.
@@Harrythehun Interesting view, but Chinese brands are not a better choice in the European market. They have similar prices to local brands for the product without the service network, spare parts availability and customer support. The only slightly successful Chinese brand here is Volvo, which has European roots.
@@Dqtube id7 starts @ 32.000 USD in China
Very good performance! Good enough for long trips 👌.
Wil it have Vehicle to Home in future?
Keep on the good work Chris 🙋♂️
And I thought that you named it after your guitar hero Hank Marvin... :)
Lets see how many of those ID7 pro improvements will transfer to ID4 2024. ID7 is too long for me and I need SUV but the current ID4 doesn't do it for me.
That means that the bigger battery will have a peak charge power of +- 212 kW! 10-80% should stay the same charging time. 26min is very good for a 400V system.
How do you get 212 kW?
Peak here 191 kw. With 77 kWh battery 12 modules. With 86 kWh battery is 13 modules. 13/12*191 kW = 207 kW.
@@Foersom_ 86net capacity vs 77 net. Will there be a different cell chemistry in ID7 big battery? Only 12 modules possible on MEB platform..
Depends if the additional module gets connected in parallel or series to the rest of the battery.
If parallel, peak will be limited by the 500A CCS limit.
@@pieter85 I see. When you talk about max current for (safe) charging of batteries that is based on gross capacity not net capacity. So use 13/12 method for calc.
"Only 12 modules possible on MEB platform.."
No, max is 16 modules that will be used for the gross 400 MJ (111 kWh) battery for a later ID Buzz version.
The max modules depend on the size of the box used for a certain model. For ID.3 and ID.4 that both have wheelbase 277 cm is 12 modules.
Whereas ID Buzz (short wheelbase) 299 cm and ID7 297 cm. They have space for 2 more modules.
ID Buzz LWB (long wheelbase) will be 324 cm. That will have space for 16 modules.
"Will there be a different cell chemistry in ID7 big battery?"
No. There was a battery cell update spring 2023 where LG ES launched a new generation. LG presented it at Power2Drive in München 2023-06, with facelifted ID3 and Renault Megane-E at their stand. They stated improved fire safety, and a small capacity increase from 6.9 Ah to 7.0 Ah per cell for cells in ID3. Megane-E uses similar cell chemistry but cells are less high, that is how Megane-E have a lower (thinner) floor.
@@RobertPuklin It will increase in series, so max voltage will increase from max 402 V (12 modules) to max 437 V (13 modules). Which is neat because ~8% higher power (charging and discharging) with no increase in current.
500 A is often mentioned as CCS limit, however there is no specific limit in the standard, it is more of a convention. Huber and Suhner makes CCS cables and handles. They have CCS cables that can charge at 800 A for hours through 4 m cable.
Tesla supercharger V 3 can go up to 600 amps would be nice to try it there if it goes faster
Should be tried for sure, though I would find it highly unlikely given we talk about VW that tends to follow standards to the letter. :)
Good idea
Great to see you so happy about your ID.7. VW now listing these models in RHD in our market at about 35% more than a Model Y. Different cars, I give the price as a reference only.
hopefully it will take 15min to charge in 2027
SSP will have it, maybe even in 12 min.?
Very good performance, and you don't need 800V charger to reach it either. Didn't you have a Tesla to compare with? I think you drove a couple.
Based on info in internet, Model Y standard with BYD battery is close contender with ID7 (flat 175 kW to 50%, then drops but not like a rock - however smaller capacity leads to frequent if brief stopping on long trips).
Based on both personal experience and info elsewhere, Model 3/Y Long Range is inferior to ID7 even if it peaks at 250 kW - as power drops real quick to 100 kW at 50%.
In any cast the Koreans are the best with significant margin in comparable price range, as far as I know.
@@mjpk987 That was my gut feeling too. It would still be interesting to the long range battery side by side with Id7 since they are of comparable size.
One advantage of the BYD battery MY over the Id7 is you get maximum power for a while almost regardless of SoC. So you don't have to hit the spot at 10-15% SoC to get the best speed. Makes you wonder about degradation though...
@@mjpk987my model 3 LR drops below 100 kw at 60-62%, not 50%
@@HotHatchTV The old one has better curve to start with. However based on my own car, 2021 LR drops below 100 kW consistently when charged from deep maxing 250 kW. This seems to be the experience of others as well. Though, if charged using lower power charger, then above 100 kW seems to last longer, and that may be the observation your information is based on?
Did you try to pre heating the battery while plugged in? Would that work? That would be nice to start a winter road trip with a warm battery to get better millage.
Also, do you have any info on how much energy it takes to heat up the battery to optimal temp?
Thanks!!
About the energy needed, is it the 4-5 kw you mentioned?
@@simonlarochelle5598 Yes, but it runs for only around 20-30 minutes, so you need around 2kwh for pre heating.
It does that automatically
I expect that the redesigned ID4 will be exactly the same as the ID7 once they start selling it. I wouldn't buy the ID4 until they shift over.
The first Skoda Enyaq 85 (facelifted 80 model) have already been delivered.
@@Foersom_ Nothing has arrived in North America yet. No ID7s, no Buzz, No redesigned ID4, and Tesla is still selling the old Model 3. Ewwww.
@@kevinn1158But you have Rivian, F-150, CT, Lyriq, Bolt,
@@Harrythehun We also have the CT in Europe. The Cross Turismo is my favorite Porsche Taycan model.