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"Racism is a bonding process." As a white kid who grew up male in a small majority white town in canada this is absolutely true, racism, homophobia, sexism, etc were all used in that way, to determine who's "cool" and who isn't. Including any kids who were minorities themselves. If you were black and had an issue with any of the constant racism you were just "sensitive" (despite the fact those same kids would defend christianity and the police like you just attacked their grandmother anytime someone criticized either)
wow😐
How to know if you’re in a cult: when “ingroup or die”
They always say you’re too sensitive, that’s why I don’t f with dark humor. Gives people an excuse to show their true, ugly self, without backlash
It's why "that's so gay" means "that's so bad"
@asia1174 Uhh? I think that's being a bit dramatic, lol. There is a VAST difference between being a heartless bigot making jokes at the expense of marginalized people, and making dark jokes. If i couldn't make jokes about my lived trauma and degenerative disease leading me to a rapidly approaching end, I would have deleted my system32 a looong time ago. It genuinely fills me with rage when people try to police my catharsis or say, "it doesn't mean it's healthy" as if they are mental health professionals or even know what is best for me. My therapists were always supportive of it and laughed along with my heartily.
Morbid humor is a part of life. It can help us deal with the horrors of this world in an upbeat, positive way. When you've cried and cried, if feels really good to have a nice sardonic release. It doesn't mean you've got something wrong with your ability to feel empathy. It isn't too sensitive to care about hurting groups of people who suffered systematic abuse, not at all. It IS too sensitive (and condescending) if you look down on other people who have a giggle to lighten the sting of existence. I strongly disagree with conflating bigotry with dark humor.
talking about having 1.28% indigenous heritage makes you even whiter tbh. source: am white
Whats wild about that is that even when your ancestors are relatively distant (im talking 2-3x great grandparents sort of deal) you have higher than 1.28% according to blood quantum, which is really a myth anyway but thats a different can of worms- so thats like literally one person 😭.. and using percentage as your only way to claim being indigenous is suspicious because there is so much more to indigenous identity than that, imo. Andrewism has a good video about that topic.
My source is: I am indigenous lmfao
never has more facts been spoken omg. cause the question becomes... where you get that couple decimals of indigenous from? 👀
singggg. and also big up my bredren Andrew
Also, speaking briefly as an Indigenous person (25% if you're wondering, though even the white people on that side of the fam grew up on the rez) natives hate that shit lol. "My great great great great grandmother was a Cherokee princess". Bro you just sound stupid.
Racism is _totally_ a bonding exercise for young white kids…
That shit is wild and true…
But you know when they say this, they never think about what they're actually saying? like they're basically admitting that every Black kid experiences racism... ( they deny this btw.)
People don't believe it. Some of these kids/people JUMP at the chance to say all the bad things out loud.
Yeah…… GCA wasn’t any better. Trust me I was classmates and they would always joke about Mexicans.
@@aubreyramos5613GCA?
I relate to this. I’m 44 (and white) and I’m still locating and purging internal and subconscious racism from my system.
Beast coverage from a non-transphobe or weirdo, yes ❤
listennnn, the things I can't even get into about this topic simply because I don't wanna get mixed up with the transphobes or create an environment where they think that being transphobic is permissible
@@foreignfridays As a trans brother I respect that and let me tell you I am being V selective on who I listen to on this topic, you already knoww
@@foreignfridays Thank you for making NORMAL content about these kinda things I'm a queer person myself and I am disgusted with a lot of the acts some of these people do, but it's so depressing interacting with it and seeing it as a free pass to be hateful. And also having a voice that isn't "fake" sensitive either, just realistic and considerate. Please keep it up
@@foreignfridays Honestly you should do it anyway, you've already created an audience here. If you're truly uneasy, you could make a community poll to see your audiences opinion, or make a disclaimer before you show those videos, telling people what's acceptable or not acceptable. Reacting offline/off stream and posting the video after is also another option. Coming from a trans guy :)
As a trans person Ava was doing incredibly suspicious fucked up shit with parading around their shad commissions openly and being exactly how they are, ages before she transitioned. While she still was married and in proximity to her child. When she identified as a cis man, nobody had any problem with it.
Now that she’s transitioned, transphobes can’t wait to point out Ava’s a predator. And she is.
But she was one before too. It just didn’t pose any benefit to them to bring that up or to even care.
Transphobia does not give a single shit about protecting children.
Yo could we stop blaming capitalist’s alienation on autism? It’s because they don’t understand what it’s like to be working class, not because they don’t get social cues or some shit.
Me when my autism is part of why capitalism was so easy to break down as malicious nonsense
“I have enough digital math shapes of 0 to 9 in a long sequence which as we all know gives me god powers”
Me: You simply must know you have failed the language of math so completely I no longer even feel sympathy only contempt
Yeah, like, a developmental disability that has 83% of the people who are diagnosed with it unemployed is _not_ the reason why a millionaire is being a disconnected jerk. Autism is more than just having bad social cues and people who use it as an excuse for why rich people can't be held accountable are ableist and have no idea how debilitating autism can be.
@@Lucifersfursona this exactly 💯
!!!! Most autistic people I know are poor and struggle to participate in capitalism, in my country only 22% of us are in any kind of employment. Also anecdotally I'd say it's relatively common for autistic people to deconstruct capitalism, to generally find the concepts of commerce etc. difficult and stressful to engage with, and we are generally more likely than average to be non-conformists (not to mention the highly elevated rates of queer and trans autistics). I DO NOT know where this stereotype of us all being white male conservative-minded worker bees and proto-Musks comes from, it almost feels like intentional misinformation.
Where did we get the idea that autistic ppl are magically rich...do you know WHAT I'D DOOOOO for being able to afford the BASIC accommodations for this shit??? Stop the cap.
As someone who is roughly 25% Indigenous but extremely white passing, nah bro if you can't name what community you're from, you have no connection to any traditions in your family for generations, you are roughly the shade of wonderbread, you didn't grow up in community and you do nothing to foster relationships with those parts of your family you aren't native. It's my upbringing and my experience and i am accepted as native by other natives. It is not a convenient talking point to drop when I feel like it.
With you 100% on this one. My tribe allows membership if you can prove a tangible blood connection to a member, so there's a lot of white passing people in it. Some people trace back decades to get in. My white ass just has to look at my mom and her family to know where I'm from. It really is about being able to identify where you're from the most, not blood quantum. Aanii from the north!
I've always thought my family looks like clowns when they try to claim 1% or whatever native heritage. If we're native tell me what tribe it is (and don't change your mind the next day). Put a name to this native ancestor we supposedly have. They can't. 😂
@@dr.cornwater2886 Taansi cousin :)) I'm Métis-Cree lol
Honestly your point makes me feel bad for a lot of mixed black w indigenous ppl whom had their history of cultures and traditions erased and assimilated under blackness in contrast to whiteness. While many wholly accept being black there are others who feel stripped of their connection to native culture because post slavery they’re EXCLUSIVELY seen as black- aka with limited to no cultural history you can directly pin down
@@bell_knight Yeah Afro-Indigenous people have a rough time for sure. We really need to do better about including them as well.
“Edgy is caucus speak for racism homophobia” 😂😂😂😂 facts
The way you bring up intersectionality is so refreshing to me. Excusing any bigotry perpetuates all bigotry.
But when black people do it it's ok
This!!! Bc it’s all so evilly carefully interwoven.. So when you address it-address it all promptly, wholly, and correctly. Factually, actually.
When Mr Beast started talking about running for president and wasn't joking... That was a massive red flag for me.
Same when he went on the Flagrant podcast and said Elon Musk was "The best human" just because he was the richest guy. Just rubbed me the wrong way 'cause even the people that used to worship Elon back in 2017-18 and thought he was a genius and the new Tesla or the 'Real life Tony Stark' have completely turned their back on him since he became a lolcow. For Beast to say that after... sheesh
Good thing that most of Mr Beast supporters are not old enough to vote.
@@PerSkeles but they eventually will be, that's scary.
@@prajwalkrishnabhat5539they will probably grow up and change their minds,and even though there are probably more people from the US watching him, he is pushed by UA-cam everywhere, even non English speaking countries, my cousin watches it but doesn't undertand a word of English, it's just background sound, so maybe even if he could pass on his opinions, it wouldn't make that much damage.
@@prajwalkrishnabhat5539 Which why stuff like racism, sexism, misogyny, and patriarchy need to be talked about about in school and let it all out and not hide anything or act like it doesn’t exist because it upsets conservatives parents who are very likely racist themselves
What's wrong with Musk?
I dont understand how you can watch Squid Game and the message you get out of it is that it should be recreated. And now I find out that Mr Beast did exactly what Squid Game was criticising. His whole thing is giving away money for free, but he lets people fight over food.
he saw dollar signs. he has no self-awareness and he saw an opportunity to reenact a popular show. the guy's ideology is basically greed = good. he has no shame and no morals and very little self-awareness
I hope the guy that created squid game hears about all these details. I want to see that reaction.
Thing is he's not giving money away because it's a good thing to do, it's because it produces content that brings in even more money. He's still exploiting the situations people are in, even if he's helping some of them in the process. Like he could be using his wealth to spread awareness of how this stuff even happens in the first place and why it's bad that it falls to charity to deal with it, or doing things like funding free clinics that could help a lot of people long-term - instead it's all done on camera as a feelgood spectacle, including randomly giving people big novelty cheques or a car just because it'll get a reaction. So it doesn't feel like a big leap to me that he'd actually create a bad situation to exploit it for content (or think that giving people some cash fixes the problem)
@cactustactics Also, he does it to avoid paying more taxes. Hence, that's why he constantly "donates" money.
@@ritawillams126 oh yeah, rich people and "charitable donations" are a whole world of grift, especially when they somehow keep donating to things they own that benefit them personally! That's how redistribution is supposed to work right
I don’t think jimmy ever left the musk train. You look at the collab he did with those 100 UA-camrs and you see a prize of cybertrucks for one of the competitions. You have to be blindly fanatical for Elon to think cybertrucks are good
Fr cybertrucks suck, they’re poorly built, poorly designed death traps.
yeah that was also an immediate red flag for me when it came out, there's no way he isn't trying to get influential people back on the musk train so that it becomes "a thing" again that's cool to do when you're rich and want to show it off. i groaned so loud the moment they lined up all those cybertrucks ngl
Those things are the opposite of a prize. That’s a financial liability that’s likely to get recalled within the month. I’d take a 2002 Camry with 200k miles over a new cybertruck anyday
useful to remember that claiming "1/16" Native has always been a way for (particularly southern) saltines to sidestep the possibility that they might have a...different source of melanin in their ancestry
Yeeeep
Oh wow I have never thought of that, that makes a lot of sense
yeah. white people in the US will always say “i have 2% _____ heritage”.
that 2% isn’t any of your families’ heritage. your ancestors were almost certainly fucking vile.
90% of the time the ancestry things is only percentages to make them “interesting”, not a real person. with a family that knew their name.
which is incredibly bizarre because don't both scenarios kind of imply some horrific stuff?
1:23 ooo that phrase is extremely misused by people.
"There is no ethical consumption under capitalism" is not a get out of jail free card for doing terrible things.
It's a reminder that capitalism is inherently exploitative.
Every pair of pants and grain of rice contains a horror story in it's price.
You know- you're actually right that people start using phrase as like an excuse to end up doing immoral and unethical acts under the system of capitalism.
I've also seen this phrase used a lot against arguments encouraging less rabid/more thoughtful consumption, like when the Nestle controversy was big. A _lot_ of phrases are misused.
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@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 and the point of the phrase is to buy less horrors, right? You understand that the point is to consume as little suffering as possible while acknowledging the system despritly has to change right?
What you said in the beginning, about being one of the good ones and tap dancing, resonated so hard with me, from when I was in high school. I wanted to fit in so bad with the cool kids, (who were all white) & I was just straight up tap dancing for them, as you said. I’d love for you to do a video about this, about why I essentially sold my blackness to peers as social credit/why this happens with POC in general
that’s such a powerful and painful way of putting it; selling your Blackness. That’s what it is
I really felt what you were saying at around 23:00 with how it's like no one will believe you when you say someone is racist unless the racist person in question is extremely explicit about it. I'm trans and deal with people (most importantly my mom lol) not listening to me when I tell them someone is being transphobic. She's gone as far as recommending "What Is A Woman" by Matt Walsh to me then not believing me when I kept telling her that he is a transphobe.
As someone who’s actually half Native American , the AMOUNTTT of people who come up to me with the same story “my great great distant grandmother is a Cherokee princess “ and it always makes me cringe because , usually it’s comes from in history Americans would claim native heritage to get more land..
It's ALWAYS the Cherokee and it's ALWAYS a "princess" or "the chief's daughter." This must be exhaustinggggg.
Also, even if they truly are "1.2 percent native" or whatever, there's an unfortunately high chance that that relationship wasn't consensual.
@@AD-dg3zz yes highly likely it really depends also , there is actual mixed natives out there , it depends
Nice to re-upload.
Had me worried there when you deleted the stream. I thought the Beast lawyers jumped on to quick 😂
lol not totally out of the realm of possibility
As a queer person, its nice to see a commentary video about this that isnt some sort of stupid homophobic micro agression bullshit. Thanks man
What do you mean by that?
And he's funny too. I immediately subscribed
UA-cam recommended this to me and I'm so glad it did. This is why I find it so important to watch youtubers of color (hopefully this is the right way of saying it, if there's a better way please let me know) because you don't see those clips and you don't hear that from white youtubers. And often times I'm blown away cause black creators have been calling out racism in other creators for years before the mainstream catches on. That must be so infuriating.
ayeee the algoriddim actually doing a big one for once lol welcome!
The Serf Times has a great story from a former colleague of his
@@foreignfridays lol hell yeah man, you deserve all the views
Once again
Black content creators being punished for the crime of being right too early
You put into words exactly what I was trying to say!! ❤
That explains why the black family guy was getting a lower salary than others.
yooooooooooo9
nahh i heard that and legit thought its gotta be some sorta racism or ageism.... how come the younger white guy is gonna be paid more when he isnt responsible for others in his life 😐
EXACTLY!
Atlast someone got that
Yes!!! Some ignorant people are trying to make excuses for that but it’s pretty obvious what was going on.
How little this man offered as hush money isn't all that surprising, given his views on how much a black person is worth
Fire title. Looking forward to this one 🫡
Big up ya self fam ✊🏾
cooked with the title 🫰🫰🫰🫰
As an indigenous queer autistic woman sometimes the best way to deal with bigotry is to walk away. Because if someone doesn’t see you as a full human it doesn’t matter what you say or how you deal with it there just gonna think your stupid and crazy and sensitive, and it’s there not worth the mental and emotional toll.
im straight as a board but this is facts , reminded me of that one scene in 12 angry men
Another passive aggressive way to deal with their so called "jokes" would be to flat out ignore it and make the moment awkward with silence.
"They want to be native American when it's convenient"
There is a way to use edginess to challenge the status quo, subvert expectation or expose the inherent ridiculousness of prejudice. Making people uncomfortable with their own complacency is one of the best ways to get a rational person to confront their part in systemic oppression of The Other. Greoge Carlin knew how to do this, he was smart, sarcastic and very effective at challenging preconceived ideas.
Keyboard warrior edginess is more like an emotionally constipated teenager wildly flailing for attention & validation from someone ANYONE who will listen.
yeah, basically this. i'm a brown enby (femme presenting) and with my buddy, we make edgy misogynistic jokes because the joke is that being misogynistic/racist is and sounds stupid plus an AFAB minority making edgy comments looks even dumber (think Dave Chapelle's blind Black kkk member lol)
edgy jokes like that can land when the person demonstrates a level of empathy and understanding of who they're joking about. you can't make good jokes about minorities when you know nothing about them and lack the compassion towards them. you just end up looking like an asshole
Real
these videos always cheer me up, doesn't matter what you talk about
y'all cheer me up on Fridays too. honestly has been so satisfying chatting with y'all
Ive been watching the coverage on and off, and i guess it never hit me that Beast's edgy era was disgusting. Why? As a Black man in the South, this IS EXTREMELY COMMON. I'm surprised it's a big stink now. And that goes to anyone that has a edgy era. Now I, growing up did have guys that tried to test me, and I never let it go too far. Like no one could say nigga to me, but I've heard EVERY white excuse in the book. But while i do have fire from them. It's obvious that they have no black people around or maybe 1-2. It's a weird game, because a lot of these people will maybe meet a handful of black people OR EVEN NOT SEE ONE EVER WHICH IS WILD.
But for everyone that gets appalled, when the only good space you had growing up is surrounded by white people, you try to fit in. It'll always start with "oh don't be one of those offended types" and putting your foot down racially gets you ostracized.
I can speak from the gamer perspective. When all the gaming communities endorse those weird culture, you end up not questioning it
Yes, it is such a weird minefield. Growing up in a small, conservative town, there was a lot of pressure to be one of the "good blacks." I used to tolerate so many racist jokes because I didn't want to be "those guys." As soon as I put my foot down, I saw their true colors and there was little to no support. Some of these people do change for the better while some don't.
Whether in the hood, woods or the burbs you have to do what's right for you. People could judge and say, I would never allow that but until in that environment you don't know. Hopefully you don't have any regrets or feel bad about it. Bless.
Omg I'm a Jared and I can only apologize for our community. I've yet to meet another Jared I've even liked so I can't take up for em. This made me spit water tho 💀💀
lmfao there are far worse Jareds. the subway guy comes to mind
he very much reminds me of my moms white coworker who asked me do his garden when my mom was gone and didn't think he was wrong and racist
I was like 14 and i am a cuban American person, people like him wait and be racist or are because they view it as a normality. In my case i was not in a position of power to say anything and i felt like he would twist my words but the fact that he felt comfortable and laughed at me after repeating it.
he purposely waited for my mom to leave (i cant remember why she left i think to go to the bathroom) it was so malicious, while i am lightskin i have non white features and he took one look at me & knowing im cuban and decided to be racist it was mind blowing
That’s fucking disgusting, especially to deliberately isolate you as a child to make clear that not only did he consider you less human, that he thought it was funny, and knew it was evil enough to hide his malice towards you from other adults.
I’m so sorry. What kind of sick freaks go out of their way to dehumanize children.
@@smolsnoodle Pathetic insecure ticks like that LOVE to prey on whoever they think won’t retaliate. To do that to a kid, Karma probably got him by neck right about now.
The edgy era is a weird one, because it's not only the creators outlandish, but the audiences that enjoyed it for (sometimes) very ominous reasons. Like Idubbbz, who got pretty dark, but in his intent was more nuanced and had a point behind it all, to the point where there's that infamous clip of Idubbbz uncomfortable with H3 saying slurs just to say them and missing the point. Yet, his audience never truly cared, and it turns out all they wanted was drama videos and slurs. And the moment he realized it and turned his back on all that, his audience started chasing after him with pitchforks and to this day can't stop making video essays badmouthing him and his wife.
Also, something similar happened with Pewdiepie post bridge incident. When he made his video apologizing for saying what he said, his ENTIRE comment section ignored everything he said and went down the "It's just a word" route.
To be fair, his wife seems genuinely pretty awful. She's a washed up OF twitch streamer sho can't take a joke and literally threatened a commentary youtuber for talking about her.
@@BlueBerry20071 what does being an OF twitch streamer have to do with her being awful?
@@PoopHobbit just saying she's a bit or a hypocrite on how she criticizes others for "not having to work."
@@BlueBerry20071 Can't take a joke? When the 'joke' is just being insulted non-stop for half a decade and counting, I don't know many people who wouldn't be fed up.
And she might be no angel, but she's not the evil being that all the petty video essays want to pretend she is.
@AndresGomez-ct7qb yeah, that's fair. But still, I don't think calling someone a loser for calling you out on your BS is acceptable. Pegasus, specifically I mean. I watched the original video, and yeah, jokes were made, but I don't think any of it was just bashing on her for existing.
My ma got mistaken for being from one of the resurvations a lot when I was young. And I listened to her gracefully correcting people when they made assumptions. It taught me People Will Be Wrong All The Time, And Say Really Gross Things When Challenged.
The best way to fight a sea of misinformation is to prioritize one's own integrity. That if someone assumes something about you, you will correct them when they get it wrong. That you'll keep your articulation as honest as you know how and own up when something you said turned out to be off the mark.
People are so sick of the empty dishonesty as every person with a decent smile tries to become Their Own Brand. Holding your own honesty in high reguard will help you find others that care about it, too.
Do not seek to judge. Everyone lies some of the time, particularly when circumstances advantage them. Accept that no person is Inherently Good or Bad and you'll be in better position to assess the things they Say and Do.
great advice :)
As someone who is from a rez, your mother is a stronger person than I. The amount of vitriol I still see towards my people kills me inside. Ive worked for years to quell these feelings but I still have a very hard time not coming across as rude when some asshole starts mouthing off about stereotypes and racial epithets.
@@AshiwiZuni momma is a strong person whom I look up to for her determination and integrity.
She has her flaws, I inherited her paitence AND her explosive temper. Takes a lot for her to snap off at someone she don't know, cause she makes mistakes all the time and likes to assume ignorance over malice.
She's married to a white man. She feels safe enough to make that assumption.
That said, I admire her efforts to understand first. And that Once She Is Certain That It Wasn't A Mistake, she has No Mercy at all.
I don't remember who said it and in which video, but they pointed out that Beasty boy's view on art/content creation is basically "If it doesn't make money, it is not good art and has failed." So it's pretty hard to be surprised that his ethics begin and end with how profitable something is, even when people are literally being injured and traumatized for a chance to win a fraction of what he himself has while making him even more money lol
Adam Yauch was the creative one out of the beastie boys but he died in 2012.
It was CJ THE X!!! I LOVE THAT PERSONS VIDEOS!!! (They are the antithesis to Beast)
It was Subjectivity In Art by CJ The X for anyone curious about the video. It’s 1 and half hour video essay of a queer neurodivergent gremlin discovering what art really means. One of my favorite videos by them
man this is becoming one of my favorite channels, I love these discussions with chat where you look at something specific that's being hugely talked about by everyone in the internet but from the bigger picture. The tangents, the humor-- it's all very appreciated lmao. So refreshing and interesting
love from south america 🇧🇷🇧🇷🗣️🗣️
I think there’s a place for “edgy” humor but I think you’re completely right that it’s used as a shield to hide actual bigotry. Like my example of edgy is when me and my best friend who’s second generation from Mexico are going bar for bar at each other in a fun way when we talk about the difference in our upbringings or culture. Like we’ve both hit each other with jokes but we also both are VERY aware and comfortable. Now me as the white guy will obviously take the most self humor because let’s be real, white people are really fun to make fun of. But in some ways it is a great way to bring people together. We’re best friends of like 8 years. I hope this doesn’t sound like an “I’m not like them” comment, but there is definitely a line when it does go too far. It should be common sense to people when something is too far.
Ngl. Doesn't sound like "safe" behavior. Hows a white person gon judge when it goes too far?
Whyte edgy is being mean and seeing how far can push people without getting a beating. Being naked is considered edgy but people don't take it the same way cuz it's not intended to hurt 😊
@@davruck1 I mean, if you are privately talking with close friends, being edgy is permissible I guess. As soon as someone feels uncomfortable, you gotta stop though. Being edgy with your close friends is not an excuse to be an a hole.
I like being edgy with close friends, but as a white person, I avoid telling certain jokes myself. Just has a wrong feeling to tell jokes about black people specifically for example, doesn't matter if black people are present or no
@@Bob-wr1md I think the problem with this idea is that people are bad at realizing when others are hurt and it shouldn't be upon racialized / marginalized people to speak up when (white) people hurt them.
@@protect_trans_livesI agree, that's why i avoid certain edgy jokes. There are many non racist ways to be funny edgy on Jack box party games with friends
II've been saying back before I even saw him that mrbeast is a damned demon, and no one wanted to hear all that.
ppl ain't tryna be critical about millionaires cause they think that they're gonna be millionaires in the future and they also think that said millionaire is gonna help them get there
@@foreignfridaysamerica praises rich people and millionaires that shit is so weird
Had to fight for my life in group chat tryna let MFs know, and I was right all along
It's exhausting to witness the empathy be extended to people who were willing to cosign bigotry as long as it didn't affect their bottom line. It's even more frustrating to think on how people who usually run defense for the bigotry feel as though the dehumanization of brown and black people is some "right of passage" and never something to be ashamed of. Like how do their spines not rupture from bending over backward for discrimination?! Their "edgelord" days were years of trauma that victims have to sift through and somehow come to terms with. We need to be more considerate of the various oppressed communities and how we may indirectly or directly perpetuate their suffering. As a black cis man, I am oppressed but I can still perpetuate oppression. There's always room for growth, but we have to be willing to understand, not try to massage the bs.
the issue with self procalimed "edgy" people is that yeah, theyre just racist, homophobic, whatever, all while there are ways of being edgy without being any of those
As Lil Bill said “We tried to tell ya’ll, we tried to tell ya’ll about this ….” People were warned about Beast but people don’t care for the plight of the downtrodden so long as they can get their instant gratification
I literally don't understand how the world is stupid enough to allow Pewdie Pie and Mr Beast to be watched for more than a few seconds.
Pewdie pie is alot more digestable now.
Welcome to Costco. I love you.
@@ljpal18 so my time is now supposed to a charitable donation because a corporation has realised it needs access to larger audiences?
I nor anyone else should have time to waste on that.
Higher quality content is available and no one needs to suffer this foolishness.
One could obviously argue that Mr Beast is more palatable but he's pulling the sand stupid click bait videos that paint him as a divine philanthropist mixed with foolish white kids talking about experiencing the basics of life.
@@impudentquipsI could really go for a Starbucks
Read the comments under your comment and then see how they’re inevitably gonna be elevated in the culture that created them.
I want it to be known, i hung around people in my younger days that said some messed up shit, but the biggest difference is knowing now that its wrong and there is no place in my life for that shit anymore. I dont want to hear it, i dont want to be around it, i dont want to be associated with that level of hate and ignorance.
I wanted to fit in and be around people that welcomed me, but i sold out my morality to not be alone. Id rather be alone now then be complicit in hate.
Im sure im not alone in my feelings and i hope other people who might have been like me to know youre not alone. We can grow and do better
I thought he was racist...but oh dear god its even worse than i thought he truly is despicable
how is it worse than u thought
@@123jbusterI thought it was typical “I don’t see color” and not unpacking racial biases because you are denying they exist kind of racism. I never thought he was out here joking about buying black people and being chill with the n word kind of racist
He not racist! Wouldn't have any black friends and IF was blame parents who taught it lol
@@lindensalter6713 do you genuinely think (i am black) that if you were white (assuming you are not) you wouldn’t joke about shit like that? because i most certainly would. i joke about every race like that. it’s called dark humor. and it, in no way, distinguishes you as racist. i’ve said some fucked up shit, but i love anyone and everyone. this type of shit is just easy to isolate and pitchfork when it comes to celebrities. there’s nothing to talk about here.
@@123jbuster oh I make incredibly dark jokes all the times on so many topics as well do all of my friends from so many different groups. I’m white presenting in the south so I can say with confidence that there is a huge difference between dark humor that involves race and jokes that are racist. Mr Beast’s jokes came off as a racist white guy that makes these jokes around his white friends but he would become uncomfortably quiet the moment a black guy walked in the room because he knows the root of his jokes
Jake mentioned in his interview how his coworker was getting paid less than him and he suspected that it was racially motivated. After watching this, I have no doubt in my mind that it was.
you guys have one of the chillest most intellectual comment sections i've seen on a lot of this stuff. of course YT recommends this channel to me after 4000 hours watching!?
it's a nice channel to not dread the comments sections on!
The reason you don't see white people accepting 'racist' as a label for people easily is because there's degrees of racism, and the noun is traditionally reserved, especially among those not interested in social justice, for people that consciously choose to embrace racist ideas. It works like this: "saying the N-word is inappropriate., but calling someone the N-word is racist". Not saying I agree with it, but a distinction between my dad thinking a joke about black people lowering property values is okay (it's not) and my uncle complaining about 'the N*****' in reference to Obama during his presidency, well, I think that's pretty useful. That's a useful distinction. My dad does racist stuff, but he also hires and builds homes for immigrants. My uncle does good stuff too, like stay dead.
We gotta start grading racists like cursed spirits in Jujutsu Kaisen. "This white boy's a special grade, look out!"
The last line is crazy
I grew up being told "there's a difference between a and a , as if only reserving it for the "bad ones" somehow fixed it.
arguably the "subtle" stuff is actually more dangerous.
that distinction was made by white people for plausible deniablity.
@@TheoRae8289 Yeah, I don't think people who actually test their ideas can stay in that mindspace for very long. They either learn more and stop or they fear truth and double down on their hate.
🗣 IT'S A FOREIGN MAN IN A FOREIGN LAND ‼️‼️🔥🔥🔥
If Musk were to ton down the transphobia and people forgave him I'm going to be so tired. I haven't seen what he most recently said about his trans daughter, but it was bad enough that my mom made a point of talking to me about how horrified she was to see him say that about his own child.
Beast referring to using slurs as "cursing" or "swearing" is such a red flag💀shows what sorta parents/adults he grew up around and how he viewed the slurs
bro cooked with the title
Thanks Foreign! For 8:00 onward! Ive always struggled with this. My mom is white and I got her skin tone, so explaining my indigenous heritage when I moved away from the rez was tough especially when I moved to a mostly white resort town in highschool
But also theres also someone who claims their great great great grandmother was a Cherokee princess or some other nonsense without realizing the high possibility of r*pe in their family history or the higher probability of malfactual personal history
@@thatoneguyyasha the latter is how I think one part of my family got the land my grandmother grew up on, because I did the spit test and nothing came up Native.
"I ain't gonna do what yall are doing to Kamala"
Good on you for being the better person, but real talk, we all know those people are obviously NOT Native American, as much as they wish they were (so they could get away with a lot more). As someone who grew up being told we were 1% Blackfeet Native American, I never believed it because my parents never respected the culture.(I'm white as fuck and so are my parents) It seemed like a slap to the face to others in my class who were ACTUALLY Native American.
It REALLY bothers me that no one who is a minority can have a bad day, unless they wanna be labeled every stereotype under the sun, while their white counterparts are just "going through a tough time" as if minorities arent doing that every day of their lives. And certain people just love to perpetuate those minority stereotypes while giving others a pass.
If Rhett and Link can learn and grow from their inherent NC racism at their big ages, no excuse.
I do miss that guacamole song, but yes good point lol
NOT RHETT AND LINK? can I get context for what they did (genuinely curious)
@@user-pi8pi3wj7h in 2020 Rhett wrote a poem called "Letter to a white man". He writes to his younger self about being racist or colorblind. They both grew up as white Christian boys in NC so I'm not surprised
@@Piddypngwhat is NC?
@@Captain-J-Amadaeus North Carolina. The same state that MrBeast and idubzz are from
no cuz why did the white side of my family encourage me to take a 23 and me and get some land cuz one of my great great grandmas was cherokee 🙄
The getaway was SO GOOD!!!😍 I spent so much time yelling at y’all and giggling while y’all tried to puzzle it out. It was fabulous!
ayeeee appreciate you, Tahliae! thanks for being here
I've been an extra in some Mr. Beast videos. Took me until the 2nd time going but let me just say, where there's smoke there's fire. 🥴🙄
How was your experience? Were you paid and how were you casted?
Please tell!
You gotta make a video about your experience
oh god how did that go?
Here goes another he say she say victim. Pls explain? lol
I think thebkey is that there are a LOT of hateful insecure ppl who ENJOY insulting and abusing other ppl (or watching someone else do) -it makes them feel better about themselves.
There's this song, i don't remember it. But theres a lyric something along the lines of "my great great grandfather took something that did not belong to him, that is why im part native American." I think about that a lot, especially in conversations about heritage
When I was a kid in the 80s and 90s there used to be a widespread horror trope about nerds becoming abusive monsters once they got a hold of some form of power. Looking at the state of things I'd say they were onto something.
good/lasting horror reflects some valid concern of the time.
That NerdCity is still such a "pillar" for so many internet folk is a confusion. The lad is an absolute menace on twitter nowadays, with the fuckin' edgiest and rightoid shit to say, and that started happening 'cause he understood how much money he could make by being a fucking crypto grifter.
And yet, I can be listenin' to random youtube channels, and see his name dropped as if he's some sort of authority figure on anything.
i feel like that’s because its mostly hidden from youtube didnt know he was unhinged tbh. also hadnt thought about him in ages
The mention of nerd city surprised me bc I thought he was inactive. I’ve seen some of videos a few years back, making fun of Lele Pons. I didn’t even realize he’s on Twitter.
Literally found out TODAY about nerdcity’s nft. I heard about him and maybe watched something years and years ago but him being influential on the internet?
Don’t believe it considering he whined about pyrocynicals viewers on their podcast discord.
@@shrap_assassin7625 i think he gained most of his respect because of his videos against youtube like way too many years ago for me to recall shit, literally the last time i thought of the guy lol
thank you for mentioning the new wave of edginess emerging, bc it's been Rough lately hearing terms come out of folks' mouths they wouldn't have dared say, like. all of 3-4 years ago, even. and people keep trying to downplay it!
Just found out Rosie Pansino has spoken out on this guy and faced death threats from fans!! You do not come for our short Queen!
And the fact the Try Guys did not take that ass hat down and "gently critiqued" him in a podcast. Guys, I know you're in a difficult position right now. But some solidarity for a friend would be bloody nice!
I'm the first generation in my family to never experience poverty and the amount of people I met at college who were PRESSED when I informed them they were privileged who had their tuition paid for. "BuT mY GreAT GranDfaThEr WAS MiDDLe ClASs". Like why do yall wana be poor or oppressed? doesnt it sound like a vibe
Being a southern white boy is definitely a risk factor for thinking it’s ok to drop the n-word on the internet, but I feel it should be said that, even amongst southern white people,this kind of behavior is STILL VERY MUCH A CHOICE. A choice Mr. Beast seemed pretty happy to make. I’m a white girl from eastern North Carolina and I can assure you that, even in this neck of the woods, the only social circles where it’s not taboo for a non-black person to use the n-word are the ones where anti-black racism is openly tolerated and encouraged. Southern white people understand very well that the n-word is hate speech. Our ancestors invented the word for that express purpose. So I don’t believe for a second that Mr. Beast didn’t understand the line he was crossing in that video. He was being racist, and he seemed pretty proud of it to me.
Idk if I would say that edginess is making a comeback, I think there's a lot of various social media people and grifters who are very blatantly misogynistic transphobic racist you get the idea. There's clearly no need these days to need a veneer of edginess to be bigoted
"Don't play with me today, JARED."
Shut up, PHILLIP!
(I just assume we're doing stereotypical white dude names)
I'm a white boy. A trans white boy who was raised a girl, but a white boy nonetheless. I have been guilty of being racist a few times. Not outwardly, never outwardly, but to myself. Looking nervously at poc in the store, noticing the one black man in town more than the white ladies walking around. I've been trying to backtrack on it more. Whenever I catch myself, I try to make it right, even if it's just to myself. Inwardly complimenting their outfit, their hair, maybe even saying out loud if I'm brave enough. I'm trying hard to erase my learned racism by counteracting it with kindness. I don't know if that's like... weird or anything. But I'm trying my hardest. I don't want any gold medals for it, and I want to be called out when I slip up. But I'm trying
😬 good luck getting better at not being racist, keep it up and i believe youll get there 🤞🤞
This is a good example of how being LGBTQ+ is not a shield for internalized white bigotry. Well done on working through this. Keep at it.
I'm thankful I grew up in a life where if I heard a be racial slur coming at me I was going to be in a physical fight. No dog whistles or anything like that in Australia when I was growing up.
As a result as soon as I heard anyone being racist for the rest of my life I automatically knew they were opps. Surprisingly so many of my bosses who were supposed to be educated.
It also made me ignore anything online which was racist.
i was stuck in my edgy phase (white bonding) for a while, especially when internalizing ableism and homophobia myself
i try to bear that in mind while trying to unlearn this stuff, since i was unfortunately raised on it
Finally someone addressing it comprehensively , thank you I wanted F.D Signifier to make a video but it will never happen , and u made one better than even he could have honestly
Unc f.d. busy lol
As a Jared who was told my whole childhood I was part NA (then saw the white AF 23andMe results) I'm sorry!😅
Hope this comes as intended but, respectfully, your beard is beautiful fam. If thats you in ya profile pic. If not, just another blight on Jareds everywhere I fear
"FD don't answer my calls no more" OMG
No really cuz huh..?😅
As a caucasoid myself, it took me years to get to the point where I can listen. Most of my fellows don’t think anything but the most in your face instances are real
Hi i recently found your channel rally appreciate your perspective on these things and how you explain things. There are really few creators like you who and looking forward to your future videos :)
Appreciate you being here fam! Welcome
The thing is that we are all biased and we do problematic stuff my line in the sand is when people can't take accountability and change. We all got brainwashed for decades so it may not be our fault, but it is our problem to fix.
prolly the first sane video im watching on this topic... and thank you for speaking out about all this goddamn racism among these youtubers. and the comeback of edginess - ABSOLUTELY. extra respect for calling out nerd city too. theywe always rubbed me the wrong way, their videos even though focus on messed up people are extremely racist and misogynistic in nature...
Your point about the burden of proof placed on minorities is a really good one. No matter what you say, people won’t agree with you or side with you. They sets their standards so unachievably high that you can practically never reach them. And even if you do, they just move the goalposts
I had a conversation with Gemini yesterday. I asked about the differences between socialism and pragmatism. Interesting stuff, until it started trying to gaslight me on the benefits of capitalism...
Pragmatism is scary shit, it what causes stuff like Mao wiping out hundreds of millions of people, or Stalin sending 22 million of his own country men to death camps.
Success at any cost, any human cost, is a scary freaking thing
That's what Mr. Beast is doing, he's conditioning children into doing everything for money.
i remember how much everyone loved musk in 2016-2020, and i always tried to explain to people that he's literally a slaver, plantation owner in 1850s texas level slave owner
Being a bigot is 100 percent a bonding practice, and the fact that it’s a thing is extremely sad
Anyone who says theyre "1/16" native usually isnt. White passing Indigenous people usually just state tribal mbership
The getaway was SO MUCH FUN btw, thank you for your amazing performance and the EFFORT you put in!!!
I really appreciate that fam! thank you so much
This just makes me want to see a video essay on what indications and traits that make ppl able to identify that “something’s off” with creators way before they ever get cancelled. There’s gotta be some sociological or psychological correlation between nature, nurture, and common sense as to why some ppl are able to be easily manipulated by ppl like this while others are just kinda waiting 🫥for them to realize how fucked up they are. My theory is it’s marginalized ppl- likely because they’re socialized to be on alert for certain “unempathetic” (cough cough genuinely problematic) red flags to keep themselves and the people in the community safe yknow? Whereas those in positions of power don’t necessarily always have the same level of urgency around needing to learn how to discern friend from foe. In that case I would find it plausible that due to that level of ignorance they would essentially turn to fearmongering of otherness out of fear because they’ve been caught unaware. But I digress, anyone can be manipulated by an online persona- but I do find the resounding cultural split to be a bit fascinating when it comes to analyzing how much benefit of the doubt if any at all which we entrust to creators on the internet through parasocial relationships.
Part of it is people just saying they always knew, but for me it's just reading expressions and listening to the choice of words
@@MrJackets I think it’s fair to point out that select group of ppl that insist they’re psychic anytime a creator is cancelled- but I do agree that paying close attention things like word choice is an effective strategy
Agreed; people that have the privilege to not worry so much about how they present or how to fit in are less likely to be in a kind of fight or flight mindset. They don’t have to question people’s intents so much and even identify with figures in power that are typically white, straight, etc. so they’re much more likely to give them a pass when there are certain tells suggesting the figure is not so great. On the other hand, I also find it interesting and tragic that there are vulnerable, marginalized groups that also get blindsided by creators but for different reasons. Take the minecraft community for example, which consists of a lot of queer and neurodivergent people that are looking for a safe space to connect and share interests. Many creators in it are much the same, but there have been a few that have posed as allies and accrued a respectful audience, having a safe space for people, only to turn out to be a horrid person. I think the difference is how people in power got their power-the ones that are really big names given power by a majority that automatically relates to them (even if a minority disapproves, their voices are overpowered by the majority) versus the ones that appeal to a minority to get power over them. Both suck.
@@Apothecartea YOU LITERALLY READ MY MIND HERE! I find it so fascinating yet disheartening that marginalized groups, despite their knowledge and fear on their oppressors, can still be just as easily blind sighted through hope that, “surely one of them will turn out to be good right” then
You find a video of them laughing saying the n word 💀
@@bell_knight Yeah especially with the trying to find social approval from legitimized, white male figures mindset-like stans trying to hold onto a guy bc he displayed basic human decency once and that’s more than they see in real life in the people around them, and when the creator then says something incredibly icky that targets some of their fans, even the affected fans try to justify it or downplay it because they usually seek so much comfort from the guy. That cognitive dissonance results in a lot of hurt I feel like. But of course, to the fans/ex-fans that do speak out, they’re perceived as one of the bigoted outsiders trying to ruin a reputation or attack the community. I say this as someone deeply involved with the fandom since 2012. Teen girls are especially stuck walking the line between finding acceptance from the figure or realizing the figure is taking advantage of their dedication. It’s a thin line to walk because misogynists attack girls all the time for existing in a fandom, so it’s like, “Either this creator is wrong or these nasty old twitter men are wrong,” and it’s hard to agree when a creator sucks because then you’re agreeing with the nasty old twitter misogynists, the very people you’re trying to escape. I really do hate when people make jokes about women and marginalized people making dedicated fandoms. It makes it so much harder to call people out within them because its supposed to be safety from the rest of the world and people that make those jokes.
“ThoSe sTaNs aRe so kooky 🤪” okay boomer maybe we’d go touch grass if we felt safe outside
People talk about how he was a "product of his time." My brother in Christ he was THE ARCHITECT. I feel the same way about idubbbz. We don't owe anyone forgiveness, especially if it's someone who was producing and perpetuating the hate at the time.
"You do better when you know better." Well said sir.
“I was gonna learn about disability real soon” 😮☠️😂
f.d answer his calls bro 😂😂
Literally 😭😭
So I'm not a lawyer and might be misremembering some aspect of this, but there's limits on certain "bargaining incentives" you're allowed to offer. For as much as he skimped on food, safety, and organizational things, I'd be willing to bet he's paying his legal team a very generous retainer.
The initial $1000 might have been lowballed on purpose both because of the (alleged) continued disregard of contestants AND so that the amount offered wouldn't be considered enough to 'unfairly induce' people into signing away rights. Like, I find it really telling that the additional $1000 was for "inconvenience."
Awesome video, by the way!
A creator becomes a cooperate when money becomes priority than having fun and enjoying.
i'm literally 11 seconds into this video and i'm convinced he's a sociopath. xoxo med school auntie. also, i love the theme music.
“Eating chicken fingers from Raising Canes and dunking everything in ranch” i have been called out 😭
I see a foreign video, I say f what I was watching hi king ✨LOL
Bless yuh beating heart 💜
that's what I just did lmao
Same. I was half way through a 2 hour lilbill video when I seen this gem
I grew up bigoted so I know deep in my heart people can change. Do I believe Beast has changed in the short time since these clips, given that he's encountered nothing but success from doing exactly what he wanted? Hell no!
I look like the whitest white boy of all time (blonde hair, blue eyes, pale as the moon itself) but come from a Native family. It's hard to feel like I belong in that culture due to my looks, but I just have to look at my mom and her dad to know where I'm from. White boys like the guy who got mad at you for Chief Keef (legitimately one of my favorite rappers alive) makes it so hard to feel comfortable with my heritage.
I don't like blood quantum measuring not just bc it makes me feel insecure, but it's just another way to pit marginalized people against each other. But mfrs like Wendigoon or Chief Keef Homeboy claiming that shit isn't right.
I'd just like to clarify on the concept of bigotry and "bonding" among young white males - it isnt a false claim but the word "bonding" might lead people to misunderstand the complexity of in-group reinforcement and how it relates to toxic masculinity especially on subjects of colorism, patriarchy, or homo/transphobia.
This topic is in my opinion also too deep for just a comment on a video, but "reinforcement of the status quo" and "reinforcement of in-group status" are really the primary factors for most people participating or exposed to white teen (usually male) racism.
While I have seen actual racists actually *bonding* over their racism, that's just not the phrasing I would use for the more complex and widespread forms of socially sanctioned discrimination that many young white men see from their peers while growing up.
the squid game thing is truly awful and i feel for everyone who suffered because of it but um... squid game the show is quite literally about people fighting for their lives to get a cash prize. like i do not know where that person or anyone else got the idea that in the show the games were fair. like. everyone DIED except the one survivor who won the games. so unfortunately james beast seems to have made the closest approximation to the actual squid game that he could while still posting it publicly
becoming corporate does *not* excuse bad behavior, especially for those at the top (like jimmy). i can excuse his employees because they need their job, but i can’t excuse jimmy because he is at the top. there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, and this doesn’t excuse the capital holders from their greedy choices having consequences
One of my favourite youtubers (who by all accounts was progressive and maybe even a bit leftist) recently did a collab with pewdiepie and it completely turned me off. No matter how much I used to enjoyed their content I just can't watch it anymore knowing he would collaborate with someone like that. Felix has harmed so many different groups and to my knowledge has never truly apologized or atoned. How can you be friends with someone so openly bigoted when your audience is made up of the demographics Felix has harmed. But as you said, racism is not a deal breaker for many people. I just can't have faith in white youtubers, they usually let me and their audience down.
People were too quick to let go of Felix’s absolute non apology after a mass murderer plugged his channel
Or him pulling a donation to a Jewish charity (not zio if memory serves. Just Jewish) when his Nazi fanbase got their panties in a twist about it.
If your talking about Magnus mitbo I get what you mean,
I think us white guys tend to project our own morals onto other people that look and sound like us, as if it’s impossible for someone who’s “like me” to be a horrible person…
This video was a bit of a wake up call for me personally…
@@pearshaped9116 i was talking about kickthepj actually, but maybe felix is collaborating with more left-leaning channels in order to repair his image :/
@@katyawcafaik kickthepj has been friends with pewdiepie for years, going back to when the british vlog squad was a thing (when Zoella was in her prime). i never watched him and this was all pre-bridge incident so I'm not sure if kickthepj ever spoke up about it or distanced himself from pewdiepie but them collabing is definitely not a new thing
Suggesting that Felix is racist just shows how little you actually know about him. It seems like your perception of him is based on a mix of false information as well as things taken out of context. If you can provide specific examples of what you think he did, I’d be happy to give you the full context and explain why the narrative being pushed doesn’t align with reality. People often spin things and spread misinformation about him that simply isn't true. Some of which can be seen in this video.
Fun fact of the day there is an equivalent to the N word in Arabic that also refers to slaves of African origins it is زنجي so if you say that word than that person is trying to be slick and sneek in racism .
Chat: "Yakub needs to go back to the lab and try this one again."
😆😆😆💀💀💀
I'm not even gonna lie, I said and laughed at a lot of racist and xenophobic "jokes", watched idubbz, filthy frank, etc. because my father normalized this behaviour at home. The second I FINALLY realized he was actually racist (took a while because he lived in a small town with almost only white folks), that his jokes were not just jokes but the expression of his disgust and sentiment of superiority, I immediately blocked all of these jokes, slurs, and racist bs from my repertoire. I finally understood why racialized people say "we can't tell what your intent really is" and why it matters.
I grew up in a racist environment too. It is part of why I have no sympathy for racist people. As a child, you have no control over what you are exposed to and taught, but as an adult you have a responsibility to examine the way you walk in the world and self crit. White people should be mad as hell that we were raised with this sickness, and that the tendrils of it are in us even in ways we cannot see. Implicit bias for instance is incredibly fking hard to spot and expunge. Learning and being better is a lifelong task. We have got to work so that the next generation can be a step closer to being free of this.