How Magnetic Suspensions Work - Magnetic Ride Control

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  • @worldcrafter
    @worldcrafter 4 роки тому +36

    I'm watching this in 2020 after hearing about magnetic ride control suspensions in cars like the CT4-V. Thanks for great explanations as always

  • @mantavyaagarwal7345
    @mantavyaagarwal7345 8 років тому +36

    i just found these videos today ............... approx. 10 months after your uploading them!! and i bet these are the best videos on engineering and automobiles ever !!!! thanx a lot for these!!

  • @michaelcondon8510
    @michaelcondon8510 8 років тому +1

    Your magnetic suspension explanation was not only excellent, but instantly took the guess work out of how I am going to setup my 67 Camaro's suspension.
    There aren't enough words to thank you.

  • @JahanZeb1976
    @JahanZeb1976 10 років тому +42

    100 thumbs up. Very nice explanation of the active suspension. Good details and illustration of the subject matter.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  10 років тому +1

      Thanks, glad you enjoyed!

    • @tarstarkusz
      @tarstarkusz 6 років тому

      They cost a fortune and in reality they shouldn't. This is not especially complicated. You don't even really need an ECM to do it either. I had a similar setup with a Skylark GS and the replacement struts were like $500 a piece!

  • @ArrecBarrwin
    @ArrecBarrwin 9 років тому +10

    I just found your channel yesterday, and I'm loving these videos. I'm a rising senior in ME and and I'm soaking this stuff up!

  • @napkinholder2002
    @napkinholder2002 9 років тому +4

    hey man thanks a lot for these videos. I joined the formula SAE team this last semester at my school and since then have been watching your videos and learning a TON. Very clear explanations and the pros and cons help me and give great background knowledge when I go to look at/design something on our school car.

  • @mesczant
    @mesczant 8 років тому +12

    Question - Say if someone didn't drive their car for a week (vacation or what ever you can think of) would the magnetic particles settle towards the bottom of the shock?
    Also having magnetic particles inside the fluid, wouldn't it cause a more wear than a traditional shock?

    • @trophywolfe
      @trophywolfe 5 років тому

      Magnetic field mixing?

    • @raghavjha167
      @raghavjha167 5 років тому +4

      No it wont settle down as the iron particle sizes are to nano scale so there is a concept of Brownian motion which makes the particle moving inside the fluid

  • @Cynical496
    @Cynical496 4 роки тому

    U explain stuff great. No wasted talking or promotions. Just quick information.

  • @ItNeverHurtToThink
    @ItNeverHurtToThink 5 років тому +1

    That is such a beautiful application of various technologies. Very well explained too. First glance of that whiteboard was terrifying but the coil cross sections are super helpful.

  • @stevegrooms1142
    @stevegrooms1142 6 років тому +2

    I know people who have a science-challenged grandmother. They rate the effectiveness of an explanation by whether grandma "gets it" after watching the explanation. I am my own grandma. If I get it after one viewing, the explanation was superb. This one meets my personal grandma test.

  • @prestondeters5093
    @prestondeters5093 2 роки тому +3

    I have a few questions a few years late. Could these metal particles cause wear inside the shock, or is it a non-issue since it is suspended in the fluid? Also, is there a certain amount of metal particles used inside these shocks? How does this fluid hold up under high heat situations? Can it dissipate heat well?

  • @datdang9113
    @datdang9113 2 роки тому +1

    I believe the kind of damper you talk about in this video is called magnetorheological damper, which still uses fluid viscosity for damping effect.
    What most people would think of an electromagnetic damper is a kind of magnet - coil wire damper

  • @milolll
    @milolll 10 років тому +1

    very clear illustrations! very suitable for publication.

  • @Howardtripper
    @Howardtripper 8 років тому +1

    Thank you for taking you time to explain all these things it is much appreciated

  • @kkrumbach
    @kkrumbach 10 років тому

    An air suspension episode would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your work to date.

  • @michaelcarlson1528
    @michaelcarlson1528 6 років тому

    Thank you for explaining how adaptive damper system works. Great job!

  • @phantomstratocaster
    @phantomstratocaster 7 років тому +1

    thanks when i want to know how something works i go to your channel

  • @techrajdeep6589
    @techrajdeep6589 7 років тому

    Very nice description about magnetic suspension

  • @troypritchard4368
    @troypritchard4368 6 років тому

    OK. Looks like I've some to the right place for my current magnetic ride control dilemma. I bought a 2018 Yukon Denali a couple months ago. Had it lowered, 2” in front and 4” in rear. The lowering kit included 3” sensor rods, which would replace the 4 ½” rods in the front. The shop did not install the 3” rods which came with the kit, but kept the 4 ½” rods installed. I noticed the ride was quite a bit rougher so I had my mechanic swap out the springs and put the OEM springs back in. Now my Denali rides rougher than ever!
    The space now (with the OE springs) between the front tire and the fender is more than when I bought it. There is about 5.5” of space between the tire and fender, where it used to be 4” or so. The ride is so rough that it reminds me of the old Lincolns when the air bags would go out.
    What do I need to do to fix this? Why is it riding so rough?

  • @piergiorgiodinoi6191
    @piergiorgiodinoi6191 8 років тому

    Very useful video. I own an opel insignia with flexide suspension, and this video explained me how they work. 10/10, no more to say.

  • @mikep490
    @mikep490 5 років тому

    Well written as always.

  • @jasonm519
    @jasonm519 2 роки тому

    I've learned a lot! Thank you for a simple explanation!

  • @ecast1500
    @ecast1500 2 роки тому

    outstanding explanation. I have a Cadillac 2017 CTS 4 with magnetic ride control. I travel mostly on flat smooth roads. The car does ride great. I guess it is working

  • @josephdragan7734
    @josephdragan7734 5 років тому +2

    Would you explain how the "sensors" work? Thanks

  • @jeffking3160
    @jeffking3160 9 місяців тому

    Thanks!

  • @darnoldification
    @darnoldification 10 років тому

    Two things: 1. From my understanding this type of magnetic suspension is known as adaptive not active. Active suspension has some type of actuator that changes the ride height and can apply a force to a wheel not just change damping. 2. Electromagnets are controlled by current, not voltage.

  • @vigneshgnanasekar1440
    @vigneshgnanasekar1440 8 років тому

    u r awesome. u explain 100x better than my automobile engg professor

  • @dotwill
    @dotwill 8 років тому +5

    I have Magneride in my 2015 Chevrolet SS. I have to say it's ride quality is about as good as my friend's car with performance airlift suspension. While Magneride is expensive it also has a fairly low rate of failure. When it does it's the computer not the actual shock. Compared to bags which can rupture and cause other bad things.

    • @joeorler4097
      @joeorler4097 8 років тому

      The SS is an amazing car, i just got one Weds.
      The mag ride & 4 brembos are a ridiculous combo!!

    • @dotwill
      @dotwill 8 років тому

      Joe Orler Yeah, I just swapped out the downpipe for a higher flow cat. Next I have an exhaust cutout coming next week. Then it'll be intake and a tune. I'm gonna leave the rest of it stock after that.

    • @dotwill
      @dotwill 7 років тому

      Yeah. After a year. It's still very nice. I ended up putting in lowing springs. It helped a lot in promoting neutral handling. Ride quality only suffered mildly.

  • @AmrKafi2020
    @AmrKafi2020 4 роки тому

    Thank you ... truly you're the only one how explained it without any of these fancy complicated words to hide what truly it is.

  • @noahevans1505
    @noahevans1505 2 роки тому

    Thanks for your videos, I appreciate your style. It makes a ton of sense to me coming from a civil engineering background, but also seems understandable to people without an engineering degree. Well done and keep it up please.

  • @Rowganlife
    @Rowganlife 8 років тому

    you have explained SO MUCH TO ME , and i LOVE IT you rock, man. THANKS!!!!!! you do an incredible job, and you always explain EXACTLY what i was curious about, by the end of EVERY EXPLANATION!! that is extremely rare, and i THANK YOU FOR MAKING THESE AWESOME VIDEOS!!! KEEP UN-IGNORANTING ME!

  • @user-ik6hu1zz8w
    @user-ik6hu1zz8w 8 років тому

    Nice video! I should have found this channel much earlier!

  • @SpeKterDesigns
    @SpeKterDesigns 5 років тому +2

    Hi Jason Im surprised by people making "active" suspension that the best they can do is create a flatter/stiffer car that passes all its forces onto the occupants. Why dont active suspensions roll INTO corners or adjust pitch and yaw under breaking and acceleration so that the minimum amount of force is transferred to the occupants of the car just like a motorcycle leaning into a corner? Or has there been such systems introduced since this video was made 3 years ago?
    Thanks to you and your team for your great and informative series.

    • @elikrahenbuhl6121
      @elikrahenbuhl6121 2 місяці тому +1

      This is a semi active system. Active would be a system that anticipates inputs that have not occurred yet (such as leaning into a corner). Google bose active suspension for some active suspension! Mag ride, similar to the Fox Live Valve system, is semi active and only reacts to inputs that have already occurred such as brake, throttle, steering, possibly acceleration on all axis to perform more complex adjustments (I have no idea how many inputs these systems have, but presumably any data the car produces can be fed to the suspension control algorithm.

  • @firebreathingelm7592
    @firebreathingelm7592 5 років тому +1

    What would be the best way to go about finding the voltage for each setting? Do you know of a place to find that other than going into the suspension and testing it with a volt meter?

  • @frx1p32dz2
    @frx1p32dz2 8 років тому +1

    Yo man, I have been watching your vids since you have started, glad I can still find you around :) I just heard about active "magnetic" suspension stuff. so I came to you for the answers and well thanks :D I am properly informed everytime! Psst! hey if anyone wants to know a thing or two THIS guy is the person to go to!

  • @rakhimjonergashev9585
    @rakhimjonergashev9585 7 років тому +1

    Thank you very much for video. It was really interesting and helpful. Can you make please, videos related to an electronic controlling system of magnetic ride suspensions

  • @Shoeless_DA
    @Shoeless_DA 10 місяців тому

    Looking at c6 vettes, always great to go back and learn from EE!

  • @jasondelrosario9599
    @jasondelrosario9599 7 років тому

    Thanks for the Video! It's very intuitive.

  • @whenryg3
    @whenryg3 9 років тому

    Excellent explanation as usual. Keep up the great work!

  • @stewdog22
    @stewdog22 7 років тому

    Thank you. I've been curious for awhile how it worked. Makes sense. Good job.

  • @garyewing5450
    @garyewing5450 4 роки тому

    Young man and you are doing a terrific job. Keep up the good work. I hope you make some money in a good living.

  • @Trades46
    @Trades46 9 років тому

    I recently drove an Audi S3 equipped with magnetic ride control. I kind of say they actually do work wonders. Despite the car wearing very low profile 235/35R19s, the car rides better than the Infiniti Q50S also wearing 19" wheels. Dial in the dynamic/sport mode and the car felt just as tossable as any RWD car.

  • @AdiAdi-sh6pi
    @AdiAdi-sh6pi 5 років тому +1

    I love the idea!
    I also thought at using magnets as suspensions, but my idea was to use normal magnets with 2 poles; a suspension like that would be based on the rejection of 2 magnets set face to face, with the same pole.

    • @mikcun2799
      @mikcun2799 5 років тому

      I was thinking the same thing. The only problem I see is the energy needed is way too much. But the progressive rate from using magnets and if you put it as far out on the wheel as possible would reduce road feel by crazy amounts. Like driving a hover car except for the steering and joint connections, as far as feel goes.

    • @DripDripDrip69
      @DripDripDrip69 Рік тому

      Bose made a concept like that 30 years ago, you probably have already seen that video here on youtube, it never made into production because of energy consumption and size/weight.

  • @johnandrew552
    @johnandrew552 2 роки тому

    Great explanation thank you!

  • @tamaskacskovics7600
    @tamaskacskovics7600 5 років тому

    Quick note: This MR damper can be only used in Semi-Active suspensions, because it can't produce a force with the same direction as the piston velocity.

  • @Carking97
    @Carking97 10 років тому

    Tbh I couldn't find a video that explains this thanks for posting this

  • @lamarreaves9732
    @lamarreaves9732 8 років тому

    Great video explanation of mag ride!

  • @bradfordjhart
    @bradfordjhart 8 років тому

    wish there was a video of side by side comparison of the 2 systems so we could see how much of an improvement this system is.

  • @UnitedRecording
    @UnitedRecording 8 років тому +7

    Absolutely amazing ride quality. Horrible horrible repair bills. I want to replace it with ACDelco parts but I can't... I can't spend nearly $2000 on PARTS alone to replace them in the BACK ONLY for my Cadillac. I have to go to a passive system :(

    • @HERKFOOT21
      @HERKFOOT21 8 років тому

      Luxury car parts can get expensive! I'm a Lexus mechanic and on our LX570's and the LS models that use air suspension can also have the same price in their suspension as well! I'm sure Mercedes has similar prices too!

    • @UnitedRecording
      @UnitedRecording 8 років тому +2

      +HERKFOOT21 I know! For $5,000 (total for all replacements) I could just buy another one! lol

  • @gejalakshmileelakrishnan3583
    @gejalakshmileelakrishnan3583 3 роки тому

    Thank You So Much For The Brief Explanation 💟☮️

  • @CodyWM123
    @CodyWM123 9 років тому +4

    Can I get a kit for these for a Subaru WRX/STI???

  • @IBMara
    @IBMara 2 роки тому

    Thank you for another of your informative videos. I believe you said there is nothing to wear out? Doesn't a piston or its cylinder move up and down?

  • @glennsmooth1243
    @glennsmooth1243 3 роки тому

    Watching the 720s suspension brought me here. It seems like this is a simpler setup but I wonder which one weighs more? I have a C7 Corvette Z06 with this and it’s amazing. Dialing in Touring vs Track mode is like night and day. GM came up with this tech and Ferrari uses it as well.

  • @lamy29
    @lamy29 9 років тому

    Excellent explanation, thank you.

  • @chinmayjangam9417
    @chinmayjangam9417 8 років тому +1

    hey suppose if another permanent magnetic coil is places at d bottom of the cylinder with the like poles faced each other, then would it lead to an increased or a more better damping effect

  • @N24MT
    @N24MT 5 років тому

    I echo Bradford. It is refreshing to here an explanation that appears to be based on the facts rather than some petrolhead's opinion of what he/she thinks may be going on. Bravo!!!!

  • @dondominic7404
    @dondominic7404 5 років тому

    Well explained.

  • @gavincayan4284
    @gavincayan4284 10 років тому +1

    You should really do a video on manual and automatic transmissions and how they work

  • @Z13AT4SIXTY
    @Z13AT4SIXTY 5 років тому

    Great video!

  • @wolfaviator01
    @wolfaviator01 4 роки тому

    Your videos from 6 years ago are still entertaining and educating, I love your teaching.

  • @subsilkdj
    @subsilkdj 10 років тому

    Thanks very much, always wondered how this works. Superb video.

  • @prateekdadhich5821
    @prateekdadhich5821 8 років тому +2

    can u plz upload a video for air suspension.

  • @jlee250
    @jlee250 9 років тому

    Its concept looks great! and I have some questions about it. would you make comment s about it?
    1) the density (the number of particles per unit volume) of metal particles in the fluid is not uniform, so the suspension effect is not regular. also it affects the viscosity of fluid.
    2) Metal particles generally are heavier than fluid, so almost of the particles would be on the bottom side...

  • @gokulkeshav
    @gokulkeshav 10 років тому

    Can you please explain leaf spring suspension system?? it will be really helpful!!

  • @76354542q
    @76354542q 9 років тому

    great video....yet again ... Thank you !!

  • @hamdanalharbi2206
    @hamdanalharbi2206 8 років тому +3

    do an air suspension vs magnetic suspension vs hydraulic suspension

    • @VisnitchiRaul
      @VisnitchiRaul 8 років тому

      There are coil springs with hydraulic telescopes, air springs with hydraulic telescopes, coil springs with magnetic telescopes and probably air springs with magnetic telescopes.

    • @VisnitchiRaul
      @VisnitchiRaul 8 років тому

      The telescope is a piston. ;)

    • @VisnitchiRaul
      @VisnitchiRaul 8 років тому

      You need to learn more about reality.

  • @smokeduv
    @smokeduv 7 років тому +1

    I just saw this video. I know it's from a long time ago, but I wanted to ask: How does this compares to the Bose Suspension System of the 80s-90s? Because that technology never took off and nowadays you can see many cars with magnetic suspension, like Ferraris and now with many not so expensive ones, but they look a lot different in the way they handle the car. I don't know how the Bose system worked, but it looks very different and way more advanced even by today standards (although it seems that it was way more heavier)

    • @egoequus6263
      @egoequus6263 7 років тому

      Yes, the Bose system is much more advanced. It did not take off because of the ancillary power hardware necessary to make it work. However, with EVs, we may finally see a Bose-like system. EVs already have the batteries and power control systems to make this viable.

  • @ketanbhavsar7684
    @ketanbhavsar7684 8 років тому

    Your videos helped me a lot in my exams😂. Thank you so much. Great videos

  • @OneManArmy4Life
    @OneManArmy4Life 10 років тому

    Very informative video..

  • @TheMrVogue
    @TheMrVogue 6 років тому

    God dammit this guy is so good at these videos. Simple enough you can understand, but filled with detail making it educational instead of drivel.

  • @McRocket
    @McRocket 10 років тому

    Very interesting...thanks for this.

  • @cassper5612
    @cassper5612 7 років тому

    great explained...

  • @09gt500
    @09gt500 10 років тому

    Thanks! Ur videos are very helpful

  • @fethilakhdari1078
    @fethilakhdari1078 4 роки тому

    Thanks for a good show, I am a bit puzzled by how the electromagnet gets its power? could you provide an answer?
    Best regards,

  • @primoroy
    @primoroy 5 років тому +1

    So simple! I thought it was a power hungry active hydraulic pumping system with pumps, valves, sensors, and solenoids!

  • @wingwong398
    @wingwong398 4 роки тому

    Hi I’ve got a Peugeot 59 plate which as got electronic back shocks can these be converted as very exspensive it’s the 3008 2.0 plus are they magnetic like the ones you are talking about as there is a pipe coming from the bottom like a break pipe

  • @jschrauwen
    @jschrauwen 3 роки тому

    Do you know what the normal voltage settings are for various stiffness settings?

  • @rinkopr5561
    @rinkopr5561 3 роки тому

    So when it gets stiff as it gets older could you cross the shock wires ONLY (not the wire from the controller) and essentially open them up wide for a soft ride? I realize the light will come on but if more electric juice stiffens it and less softens it then wouldn’t is really soften if the to wires coming out of the top of the shock make it ride much softer? GMC Denali

  • @Mbee16
    @Mbee16 10 років тому

    In essence, does the electromagnet vary the "viscosity"?

  • @dipakkhadke9939
    @dipakkhadke9939 8 років тому

    Hi thank u for ur great videos...I would like to ask u one question on active suspension...What would be the action of active suspension on continuous rumbles?

  • @ek07305
    @ek07305 7 років тому

    The late Camaros have magnetic suspensions. My questions is, is it reliable? And How many miles will it take to start replacing them?

  • @dunx125
    @dunx125 10 років тому

    do the metal particles not cause additional wear on the inside of the cylinder?

  • @Ohhighbud
    @Ohhighbud 4 роки тому

    Very cool video... But when the system fails do the shocks work as normal shocks ? As a service tech I know wire coils will break down from heat. I also wonder how expensive these shocks are vs conventional ones. Its a neat idea but probably should stay on the race track until its perfected. People have enough computers and electronics to deal with already.

  • @RobertGracie
    @RobertGracie 10 років тому

    Engineering Explained are you gonna to explain about the computer controlled active suspension F1 used or not?

  • @RedAngelS60R
    @RedAngelS60R 10 років тому

    Volvo S60R have the same system, right? comfort/sport/advanced modes.

  • @erijavec
    @erijavec 7 років тому

    Does this system create substantially more friction/heat versus traditional fluid?

  • @mkhs007
    @mkhs007 7 років тому

    Hello Mate, does active suspension eliminates the piston as in traditional dampers?

  • @automotiveanalogies8997
    @automotiveanalogies8997 6 років тому +1

    You just got a sub. Thanx for the more in depth info

  • @sudheer5553
    @sudheer5553 8 років тому

    dude that's nice explanation and wat abut this electric supply is it supplies from outside source...

  • @Dannyg2298
    @Dannyg2298 10 років тому

    cool man thanks quite a simple idea suppose the good ones always are

  • @mr.technician4144
    @mr.technician4144 5 років тому

    Sir,,would you please explain also how the ecm knows which specific cylinder got misfire by monitoring the cam. And crank. Sensors

  • @JLoveYoutube
    @JLoveYoutube 9 років тому

    Did the Cadillac 1994 SLS have these, that car felt like I was floating on air and felt like it was off whenever we came to a stop!

  • @pranavgokhale3892
    @pranavgokhale3892 7 років тому

    are there any magnetic damper technologies which solely rely on magnetic repulsion for damping? like for example, there could be 2 face plates in the damper at opposite ends, both of which would be like poles(N-N or S-S). This would cause magnetic repulsion, the magnitude of which, could be governed by the user. this magnetic repulsion would give the necessary damping force.

  • @robertwilke1208
    @robertwilke1208 7 років тому

    What is the effect of all these ferrous particles on the seals?

  • @them0leisback
    @them0leisback 8 років тому

    Voltage isn't flowing trough a conductor, it's the current
    But throughout a really nice vid!

  • @murraymadness4674
    @murraymadness4674 10 місяців тому

    Does Jason even get notified of replies from such old posts?
    Seeing the title, I was thinking they used electromagnetics to do all the work of a shock,
    which seems to me would eliminate the need for sway bars and could level out the car in cornering electronically resulting in faster corning speeds? I could see a lever magnet passing through an electromagnet which would reduce or raise its ability to move, in fact could hold it in place completely in some cases.

  • @NoMatter78
    @NoMatter78 3 роки тому

    Does mag ride have a certain polarity or does it work both ways if the tires wires get swapped?

  • @stayer85
    @stayer85 10 років тому

    please explained sti's central differential

  • @thedarkknight4243
    @thedarkknight4243 8 років тому +1

    thanks for the info, which cars use the magnetic suspension, modern or old, expensive or cheap, or which car models

    • @joeorler4097
      @joeorler4097 8 років тому +1

      GM
      Corvettes starting around 05 and up (various models & options)
      2012-2015 zl 1 Camaro
      2016 Camaro SS
      2015-2016 Chevy SS (Holden Commodore)
      Holden VF HSV GTS 2014-2016
      Caddy CTS-V
      Caddy ATS-V
      Ferrari f499 I think
      Some Audi A8's
      It's an amazing system, you have to drive a car with it to truly underatand. My 2015 Chevy SS with mag ride is unreal.

    • @RyosukeTakahashiRX7
      @RyosukeTakahashiRX7 4 роки тому

      Literally every Audi*

  • @metalicharsha
    @metalicharsha 10 років тому

    can you do a video about air suspension??