Outstanding software and tutorial Sevish! This is such an efficient workaround to the idiosyncratic tuning limitations of MIDI sound sources. Thanks for sharing your diverse talents and creative work! Very inspiring :)
Thanks! There are native apps that can create tunings already, e.g. Scala, Custom Scale Editor, LMSO etc. I made this as a web app so that it could be cross-platform and not require installation. I think there might be some kind of tool that converts web pages into desktop apps, if that's your kind of thing?
This is so awesome! Just messed around with it on my phone with easy tunings like 5 EDO and 7 EDO. Also 19 equal divisions of the tritave, lol. This is so sweet! Thanks a lot for this.
I cannot tell you how happy this makes me, this is absolutely fantastic!!! Thank you so much for everything Sevish, and thanks for making my favorite electronic album of 2019! 🖖
Amazing! I had a quick look at this a few days ago but I wasn't concentrating and somehow missed most of its features. I'm really pleased to see how much I'd overlooked and how deep you went with the functionality, especially in the provision of the MIDI input device! I'm a software engineer myself but Javascript isn't my thing and I wouldn't have had a clue how to do that :) Excellent work, and thank you for making this available.
Hey, i wanted to try composing with 30TET - your website was great for listening to the scale and getting a feel for it - do you have any recommendations for a program that can actually compose with the generated scale though? im completely stuck, i cant find anything.
Well, did you tried to just import the scala or anamark files in a softsynth and just record what you play in any DAW as you would normally do? I'm pretty sure that's just what most microtonal music producers do. Edit, I was looking more into this channel's content and he covers a lot of the workflow in this video: ua-cam.com/video/WxrpZ4L404M/v-deo.html
I've just tried it using Just Intonation. I don't have much knowledge with microtonal stuff like this, but it made it simple and easy for me copy and paste scales using 'Scale Workshop User Guide'. It all works really well.
It is possible to download the whole project (from GitHub) on to your computer and run it locally instead of running it from my website. That way you can be certain to always have free access to it.
Great stuff man! That synth overview is really helpful as well. I'm a FL user, didn't know harmor was down with us boys! Haha. Gonna check that out. 22, good pick! Peace.
With effort, you can microtune Sytrus too :) it's hard though, and I haven't found out the maths to convert some tunings from Harmor to Sytrus yet... But it's possible.
Thanks a lot for amazing music and tutorial. Is there a way to import tun. files to Ableton? Or any other format? I need to make microtonal scales in reaktor 6 but it is very complicated for me. Instead I am thinking to use reaktor6 inside the ableton.
If anyone needs it you can convert from frequencies (Hz) to cents using this Python script. import math ifreq = 440 #initial frequency tones_in_octave = 12 tone = 2 ** (1.0 / tones_in_octave) c = 0 for k in range(int(tones_in_octave * 2)): f1 = ifreq ## print(ifreq) Hz ifreq *= tone f2 = ifreq c += 1200 * math.log((f2/f1), 2) print(c)
so if i wanted to write and produce a microtonal piece. what software do i need to get to do so? preferably something easier from a classical standpoint
This is awesome! Only complaint is whenever I try to play it after a little while it completely cuts off and stops playing. Does this happen to anyone else? I'm using my computer keyboard, not a MIDI electronic keyboard. Is that why this is happening? thanks!
It's doable. What you see in this video is the old v1 which could be easily used offline by downloading the scale-workshop project from my SeanArchibald GitHub user, then opening the local html file. For v2 and up (on the xenharmonic-devs GitHub group), you need to know how to use npm to build the project locally and run it from localhost.
Hello, I'm interested in making microtonal music. First I need some sort of audio maker (is it called a synthesizer?) and I found this, which is great. Then how can I use this to make a microtonal music piece? Do I just use an audio recording software, press record, play in your workshop, then stop recording, and then publish to UA-cam or somewhere? How do you compose? Thanks for help.
I know I am late, but how am I able to make my synths use microtonal scales? I do not really know where to start. I use FL Studio, where everything is 12EDO but I want to be able to make my synths use other scales.
Two of the FL Studio synths, Sytrus and Harmor, can load .fnv tuning files. Fnv files can be exported by Scale Workshop - first get your scale set up in there and then look for the "Download Harmor pitch map" option.
For some reason it stops working after some seconds when using the touch keyboard on the phone, and it doesn't work again until I reload the page or turn off the delay effect.
If you could add an issue to the issue tracker, along with relevant info (phone OS version, browser, synth settings), then I can look into it. Thanks! github.com/SeanArchibald/scale-workshop/issues
The only thing I want is to is to apply QUARTER notes to different notes. For example : When i play in D scale. I want the E , F#, B and C# a quarter note down. And every other note the original. How can I achieve this? I tried the different scales that were pre-programmed, but none of them "good".
You want to create a scale which is a subset of (that is, a selection from) 24-EDO, which divides the octave into 24 equal parts. You can easily make 24-EDO in Scale Workshop, just following Sevish's instructions for 22-EDO and changing 22 to 24. And you could just play by selecting notes from from that. Or you could create a Scala file in text, with just the specific notes you want, by starting with 24-EDO, then deleting the ones you don't want, and changing the count of scale notes from 24 to, say, 12, 13 or 14. HTH!
Keyboards are all different, so you'll need to check the manual for your model to see if it supports any tuning functions at all. If it does, you'll most likely need to use Scala (not Scale Workshop) because Scale Workshop is more geared towards softsynths.
I'm half way through writing a new album but I expect it will take several months at least to finish it. Glad you liked the last one. Next one will be in much the same style.
Is there any way to custom map the vertical axis relations? Whenever I load this up Q and 1 only go down in pitch and I can't seem to work out how to adjust things. So any scales over a certain size become unreachable. Might be severe user error though?! Trying to mess with 22 or 24 EDO and can't find the top few notes, let alone on Partch's 43 or similar. Thanks! Absolutely love this app!
YES this is already possible! :) You should see 'Isomorphic keyboard settings' on the right side of the screen. Within those options you'll see the option for the vertical axis. By default it's 5 steps, and you absolutely can make it bigger to explore larger scales. Glad you're making use of the app!
@@Sevish Thanks! I think maybe my browser was being funny as it seems to have sorted itself to working as shown (or my brain stopped being fluffy haha!) Huge thanks for working on this, shared with several friends. I don't think it's an understatement to call this a game changer!
Wow, this is massive for the microtonal community. Great work, man.
Outstanding software and tutorial Sevish! This is such an efficient workaround to the idiosyncratic tuning limitations of MIDI sound sources. Thanks for sharing your diverse talents and creative work! Very inspiring :)
Great job Sevish, big thanks! Maybe some day this project could become an app.
Thanks! There are native apps that can create tunings already, e.g. Scala, Custom Scale Editor, LMSO etc. I made this as a web app so that it could be cross-platform and not require installation. I think there might be some kind of tool that converts web pages into desktop apps, if that's your kind of thing?
I still go to this site every couple of weeks, great stuff!
Glad it could be useful!
Not at all useful, just super fun!
This is so awesome! Just messed around with it on my phone with easy tunings like 5 EDO and 7 EDO. Also 19 equal divisions of the tritave, lol. This is so sweet! Thanks a lot for this.
This is amazing! Thanks so much for sharing this with the community.
Now to do some 22- and 27-out-of-71 experiments off paper! Thank you so much!
The best invention ever in the history of musical tuning. I am serious 🤘👽👽
Always excited to see you uploading new videos! I’ll for sure try this app.
Absolutely Fantastic. Thank you so much for this
impeccable work!
I cannot tell you how happy this makes me, this is absolutely fantastic!!! Thank you so much for everything Sevish, and thanks for making my favorite electronic album of 2019! 🖖
Amazing! I had a quick look at this a few days ago but I wasn't concentrating and somehow missed most of its features. I'm really pleased to see how much I'd overlooked and how deep you went with the functionality, especially in the provision of the MIDI input device! I'm a software engineer myself but Javascript isn't my thing and I wouldn't have had a clue how to do that :) Excellent work, and thank you for making this available.
Hey, i wanted to try composing with 30TET - your website was great for listening to the scale and getting a feel for it - do you have any recommendations for a program that can actually compose with the generated scale though? im completely stuck, i cant find anything.
Well, did you tried to just import the scala or anamark files in a softsynth and just record what you play in any DAW as you would normally do? I'm pretty sure that's just what most microtonal music producers do.
Edit, I was looking more into this channel's content and he covers a lot of the workflow in this video: ua-cam.com/video/WxrpZ4L404M/v-deo.html
KAZE??? I like your rom hacks (:
Can't wait to try it 👍
I've just tried it using Just Intonation. I don't have much knowledge with microtonal stuff like this, but it made it simple and easy for me copy and paste scales using 'Scale Workshop User Guide'. It all works really well.
@@onebeatmusic3301 Glad to hear it! Hope this will be a useful tool as you continue to explore things like just intonation.
I like this, I hope it’s free always
It is possible to download the whole project (from GitHub) on to your computer and run it locally instead of running it from my website. That way you can be certain to always have free access to it.
This is fantastic! Thank you for this!!
Incredible. Thank you
0:00 - Look, mom, I'm on telly! ( at least my name is :D )
Great work, the website works very intuitive!!
Oh God you are a saint
Great stuff man! That synth overview is really helpful as well. I'm a FL user, didn't know harmor was down with us boys! Haha. Gonna check that out.
22, good pick! Peace.
With effort, you can microtune Sytrus too :) it's hard though, and I haven't found out the maths to convert some tunings from Harmor to Sytrus yet... But it's possible.
Haha nice. Not a huge fan of sytrus though. But interesting nonetheless!
Heehee, to each their own I suppose!
Thank you so much for making this! :D
thanks a lot! ありがとう！
Good overview, thanks for making this! =)
Thanks dude I appreciate it.
Thanks so much
This is great. I wanted to do this I'm glad you did instead.
Great work. Still missing a scale makin tool with sliders to adjust each note.
That could be a very cool addition. E.g. New > Scale from sliders
To be able to play the note or a sequence of notes while adjusting is essential, I think.@@Sevish
You are a fucking legend for this.
Looks great! I'd love to contribute to the project!
Thanks a lot for amazing music and tutorial. Is there a way to import tun. files to Ableton? Or any other format? I need to make microtonal scales in reaktor 6 but it is very complicated for me. Instead I am thinking to use reaktor6 inside the ableton.
So helpfull and easy! THX!!!
Thanks Bartosz, glad you're getting on well with it!
If anyone needs it you can convert from frequencies (Hz) to cents using this Python script.
import math
ifreq = 440 #initial frequency
tones_in_octave = 12
tone = 2 ** (1.0 / tones_in_octave)
c = 0
for k in range(int(tones_in_octave * 2)):
f1 = ifreq
## print(ifreq) Hz
ifreq *= tone
f2 = ifreq
c += 1200 * math.log((f2/f1), 2)
print(c)
So one can not type in cents in 'Scale Workshop' by default?
so if i wanted to write and produce a microtonal piece. what software do i need to get to do so? preferably something easier from a classical standpoint
This is awesome! Only complaint is whenever I try to play it after a little while it completely cuts off and stops playing. Does this happen to anyone else? I'm using my computer keyboard, not a MIDI electronic keyboard. Is that why this is happening? thanks!
It's a known issue.. if you avoid the percussive envelopes then it won't happen so much
Ableton now has Microtuner!
That's great to hear
Can you download this to use offline?
It's doable. What you see in this video is the old v1 which could be easily used offline by downloading the scale-workshop project from my SeanArchibald GitHub user, then opening the local html file. For v2 and up (on the xenharmonic-devs GitHub group), you need to know how to use npm to build the project locally and run it from localhost.
Hello, I'm interested in making microtonal music. First I need some sort of audio maker (is it called a synthesizer?) and I found this, which is great. Then how can I use this to make a microtonal music piece? Do I just use an audio recording software, press record, play in your workshop, then stop recording, and then publish to UA-cam or somewhere? How do you compose? Thanks for help.
So I know this isn’t related to your scale workshop but the next time your on UA-cam look up the 13 ‘o’ clock blues band
Checked 'em out, Jon Catler and his awesome fretted guitar was in the band so not disappointed at all. :)
I know I am late, but how am I able to make my synths use microtonal scales? I do not really know where to start. I use FL Studio, where everything is 12EDO but I want to be able to make my synths use other scales.
Two of the FL Studio synths, Sytrus and Harmor, can load .fnv tuning files. Fnv files can be exported by Scale Workshop - first get your scale set up in there and then look for the "Download Harmor pitch map" option.
@@Sevish Thank you so much man! This should make things much easier, because I have made 24EDO stuff before but I had to manually tune the notes.
For some reason it stops working after some seconds when using the touch keyboard on the phone, and it doesn't work again until I reload the page or turn off the delay effect.
If you could add an issue to the issue tracker, along with relevant info (phone OS version, browser, synth settings), then I can look into it. Thanks! github.com/SeanArchibald/scale-workshop/issues
The only thing I want is to is to apply QUARTER notes to different notes.
For example : When i play in D scale. I want the E , F#, B and C# a quarter note down. And every other note the original.
How can I achieve this? I tried the different scales that were pre-programmed, but none of them "good".
Lol me to. Have you had any success to do it yet? Thanks for help
You want to create a scale which is a subset of (that is, a selection from) 24-EDO, which divides the octave into 24 equal parts. You can easily make 24-EDO in Scale Workshop, just following Sevish's instructions for 22-EDO and changing 22 to 24. And you could just play by selecting notes from from that. Or you could create a Scala file in text, with just the specific notes you want, by starting with 24-EDO, then deleting the ones you don't want, and changing the count of scale notes from 24 to, say, 12, 13 or 14.
HTH!
is there any way i can import the scales to my Roland electric keyboard? need help.
Keyboards are all different, so you'll need to check the manual for your model to see if it supports any tuning functions at all. If it does, you'll most likely need to use Scala (not Scale Workshop) because Scale Workshop is more geared towards softsynths.
@@Sevish Thanks So Much!
Do you plan on releasing any original music soon? loved your last album
I'm half way through writing a new album but I expect it will take several months at least to finish it. Glad you liked the last one. Next one will be in much the same style.
sevishmusic Nice that’s great to hear
Is there any way to custom map the vertical axis relations? Whenever I load this up Q and 1 only go down in pitch and I can't seem to work out how to adjust things. So any scales over a certain size become unreachable. Might be severe user error though?! Trying to mess with 22 or 24 EDO and can't find the top few notes, let alone on Partch's 43 or similar. Thanks!
Absolutely love this app!
YES this is already possible! :) You should see 'Isomorphic keyboard settings' on the right side of the screen. Within those options you'll see the option for the vertical axis. By default it's 5 steps, and you absolutely can make it bigger to explore larger scales. Glad you're making use of the app!
@@Sevish Thanks! I think maybe my browser was being funny as it seems to have sorted itself to working as shown (or my brain stopped being fluffy haha!) Huge thanks for working on this, shared with several friends. I don't think it's an understatement to call this a game changer!
By chance do you know anything about colundi? Maybe what it is exactly or how to tune to it?
I tried it - a brilliant tool but the sound in play mode cuts out after 20 seconds or so. Any suggestions?
Incredible, thank you