"...Ecological changes that are coming..." this conversation and language may have been relevant, even useful - what - 40 years ago? Now it's just fiddling while Rome burns.
We are getting "summer phobia" here in Brazil. We can only be thankful that its almost over. We had at least 3 extensive heat domes and too many fatal storms. Hell on earth.
Glancar, similar summer phobia here in the Western US. Summers are trending much hotter, longer and drier. The results are increasing tree dieoffs, fires and water shortages. My home insurance has quadrupled and my electricity costs have doubled in the last ten years. We used to love summer. Now we dread it.
@@kenalv news channels are busy manufacturing consent, use a search bar "Thousands ordered to flee while they can as bushfire burns in Australia's south Reuters February 22, 2024"
Bottom-up seems to be a valuable insight, yet mobilization that is needed will happen only when things gets south; that, then, will be a survival mobilization, and not peaceful adaptation.
Crisis, not risk, moves humans to act. Unfortunately, crisis-levered fear and insecurity are as likely as not to move terrified humans to look for and support authoritarian, simple answers/solutions, strong man leader response/action. Humans in the initial phases of crisis response seek that which will sustain their and their intimates lives as currently experienced and preferred. Most folks 'live' local and act with reference to protecting and sustaining, first, kith and kin. Heating oceans, sea level rise, and increased storm intensities will drive such massive population dislocation and infrastructure destruction that the associated crises (food insecurity/access, housing etc. etc), not risk, will drive human response actions.
Not clear on what you mean by 'collective body is strong to digest the medicine'. Humans by nature, for sake of a better expression, are empathetically driven social cooperators. But, the strength in this is focused usually in the first instance on the immediate, the local, and personal intimates....family, friends, community etc. Hope and courage for positive collective responses are situated in these qualities. The challenge is enabling ways and means to extend these qualities to all of humanity and the general human condition in response to the existential threats.@@NickBreeze
We will always try to maintain this system. And when that's simply no longer possible, you're going to see wars wherever life is still possible. Prepare yourself for an ultra-violent world where justice no longer exists. The balance of power will naturally change and everyone will want to dominate to survive in this extreme chaos. These are the normal consequences of the choices we have made.
I'm more of the opinion that, 50 to 70 years from now, we're going to end up in a world somewhere between the ones portrayed in the films Soylent Green and Elysium: a world of fractured nations where ultra-militarised police forces protect a very small, obscenely wealthy politico-business elite who govern over a small working class doing the few remaining jobs which are incapable of being turned over to automation, and massive unemployed (practically peasant) underclass. The security services will perform their duties willingly from fear of losing their vaulted positions, which are no doubt bloated with perks and privileges, and the workers will humbly do what they're told because they'll know (and be constantly reminded) they can be easily replaced by the mass of unskilled labour waiting despairingly underneath them. Food will be the only form of currency (outside the upperclass elite running the show that is), and it will be rationed and distributed out to worker and present alike to maintain a general modicum of public order. Food will mostly synthetic, of cheap quality but deliberately designed to have just enough nutritional value to sustain a human being. The underclass itself will be entirely powerless to revolt against the elites; because the system of food supply will be deliberately designed to self-destruct if they do, and because from a very young age they'd have been conditioned by an elite controlled media to fear the alternative to the present system in place: anarchy, starvation and ultimately extinction.
An evolution in the way "we" talk about climate catastrophy is not tantamount to progress. Talking is not doing. Awareness doesn't change anything. No steps have been taken. No steps are being taken. I'm a realist. We are presently functionally extinct by virtue of rapid ongoing increase of average temperature irreversibly eradicating human habitat. Good Luck, be well. FYI : Hallum is saying billions with a "B", not millions.
For what habitat is lost... comparable. Quantity opens up poleward (medium long term the current deserts green up as desert belt shifts and likely aggregate shrinks) There was no Berlin in 1945. New-New York can be built in Albany. Temps are just insufficient cause for collapse (on zer own)
Social scientist who doesn’t understand how protest works. Her assertion that protesting after a policy is made is a “waste of time” would mean no civil rights, no gay rights, no workers rights etc etc. almost all protest is in reaction to bad policy, after the fact, because that is what causes the protest, implementation of it. There are almost no examples of protest affecting a policy during the decision making process. Its like saying “why protest George Floyd’s death? You can’t reverse death?!” Its to prevent future harm, to show dissent, otherwise no reaction to bad policy surely means a normalisation of more bad policy. The protest after the Manchin deal signals to everyone who sees it, look what Biden did, isn’t it wrong, the media report on it, further people see Biden did an anti-climate deal, it affects his electoral strategy etc it serves like any other protest, it hopes to affect further policy and has significant cultural, societal impacts, especially if the cause is just. And for her to say policy cannot be reversed and then mention roe vs wade in the next breath. Come on. Ludicrous. Utterly asinine and defeatist. Her point is really against all protest, unless it is in within a tiny window while policy is decided and the protesters have somehow got insider information of all the dodgy deals behind the scenes 😂 protest is mostly after all other avenues aren’t successful, of course ideally it has a winnable goal, but most seem impossible until theyre not and change happens.
Not risk I would suggest but direct impact. People don't notice risk of this type. Must be a direct impact on communities. So what needs to happen? Sea level rise? Chaotic weather -- hurricane takes out Miami? Food shortages maybe. Maybe we will be lucky with a Tambora type climate cooling eruption.
Sea level rise is currently just over 3mm per year. If you check the polar temperature proxies for the last few thousand years and take note of the average, the scatter, the accuracy and the time between results you will see that this rate is probably not that unknown. Go back to the temperature rise out of the last Ice Age and it is well within natural rates. No extreme weather yet, well within known limits. What is actually happening is hysterical reporting by click bait media and activists.
If you want to do something radical in the USA, vote GREEN PARTY in massive numbers. If both Republicans, and Democrats (representatives of the status quo no matter what they say) lose seats in Congress to the Green Party, you WILL see change.
How to escape from a sick society when greed and racism is a illusion that keeps us apart where does reality take us hopes and dreams of a better day what well tomorrow bring can we escape from the nightmares of the future can we understand the love we need to heal what is necessary to overcome ourselves and find peace
Like a lot of academics seeki g to justify themselves, she succeeds in making some rather obvious and simple idea complicated and abstruse, even onventi g her own silly jargon. What a waste of time
At the moment there is such a high level of risk regarding the obvious cost of the loss of all fossil fuels and the massive corresponding cost of adapting to green energy as it is. Which we cannot afford in any financial manner. There will not be the change to green energy as the world population collapses and the tax base shrinks. Energy security is much more sort after for the impending world war! Read the thoughts of Bjorn Lombourg. Adaptation is the key, Not expensive plans which may be recognised to be failures in the future.
"...Ecological changes that are coming..." this conversation and language may have been relevant, even useful - what - 40 years ago? Now it's just fiddling while Rome burns.
This is a terrific interview. Thank you. Totally new. Thank you .
"8 men own as much wealth as half of humans" OXFAM
That statistic will mean nothing if civilization collapses and money becomes worthless.
We are getting "summer phobia" here in Brazil. We can only be thankful that its almost over. We had at least 3 extensive heat domes and too many fatal storms. Hell on earth.
So sorry to hear.
Glancar, similar summer phobia here in the Western US. Summers are trending much hotter, longer and drier. The results are increasing tree dieoffs, fires and water shortages. My home insurance has quadrupled and my
electricity costs have doubled in the last ten years. We used to love summer. Now we dread it.
Major fires in Victoria South East Australia today, again. Every summer is a lottery, who is next 😬🙏🏽
How awful. Rain here is so heavy it is desalinating the valley, eroding the marine ecosystem, massive death of nature going on.
@@kenalv news channels are busy manufacturing consent, use a search bar
"Thousands ordered to flee while they can as bushfire burns in Australia's south
Reuters
February 22, 2024"
Changes in forest management and people starting fires nearby seem to be a common factor.
Bottom-up seems to be a valuable insight, yet mobilization that is needed will happen only when things gets south; that, then, will be a survival mobilization, and not peaceful adaptation.
Awesome work thanks Nick from New Zealand 🇳🇿
Thank you!
18:15 Really helpful insights from her.
Thank you, Nick and Dana.
Crisis, not risk, moves humans to act. Unfortunately, crisis-levered fear and insecurity are as likely as not to move terrified humans to look for and support authoritarian, simple answers/solutions, strong man leader response/action. Humans in the initial phases of crisis response seek that which will sustain their and their intimates lives as currently experienced and preferred. Most folks 'live' local and act with reference to protecting and sustaining, first, kith and kin. Heating oceans, sea level rise, and increased storm intensities will drive such massive population dislocation and infrastructure destruction that the associated crises (food insecurity/access, housing etc. etc), not risk, will drive human response actions.
Thanks Anthony. It's whether the collective body is strong to digest the medicine. We are committed to finding out.
Not clear on what you mean by 'collective body is strong to digest the medicine'. Humans by nature, for sake of a better expression, are empathetically driven social cooperators. But, the strength in this is focused usually in the first instance on the immediate, the local, and personal intimates....family, friends, community etc. Hope and courage for positive collective responses are situated in these qualities. The challenge is enabling ways and means to extend these qualities to all of humanity and the general human condition in response to the existential threats.@@NickBreeze
We will always try to maintain this system. And when that's simply no longer possible, you're going to see wars wherever life is still possible.
Prepare yourself for an ultra-violent world where justice no longer exists. The balance of power will naturally change and everyone will want to dominate to survive in this extreme chaos.
These are the normal consequences of the choices we have made.
I'm more of the opinion that, 50 to 70 years from now, we're going to end up in a world somewhere between the ones portrayed in the films Soylent Green and Elysium: a world of fractured nations where ultra-militarised police forces protect a very small, obscenely wealthy politico-business elite who govern over a small working class doing the few remaining jobs which are incapable of being turned over to automation, and massive unemployed (practically peasant) underclass. The security services will perform their duties willingly from fear of losing their vaulted positions, which are no doubt bloated with perks and privileges, and the workers will humbly do what they're told because they'll know (and be constantly reminded) they can be easily replaced by the mass of unskilled labour waiting despairingly underneath them. Food will be the only form of currency (outside the upperclass elite running the show that is), and it will be rationed and distributed out to worker and present alike to maintain a general modicum of public order. Food will mostly synthetic, of cheap quality but deliberately designed to have just enough nutritional value to sustain a human being. The underclass itself will be entirely powerless to revolt against the elites; because the system of food supply will be deliberately designed to self-destruct if they do, and because from a very young age they'd have been conditioned by an elite controlled media to fear the alternative to the present system in place: anarchy, starvation and ultimately extinction.
I read her book "Activism, Inc" about 20 years ago!!! wow. I LIVED that book. hahahah. I sent her an email thanking her.
An evolution in the way "we" talk about climate catastrophy is not tantamount to progress.
Talking is not doing.
Awareness doesn't change anything.
No steps have been taken. No steps are being taken.
I'm a realist. We are presently functionally extinct by virtue of rapid ongoing increase of average temperature irreversibly eradicating human habitat.
Good Luck, be well.
FYI : Hallum is saying billions with a "B", not millions.
What's the plan?
@@NoWindNoSunNoPower how do you plan around "functionally extinct"?
@@langdons2848 OK. You don't know.
@@NoWindNoSunNoPower apparently you don't know what "functional extinction" means.
For what habitat is lost... comparable. Quantity opens up poleward
(medium long term the current deserts green up as desert belt shifts and likely aggregate shrinks)
There was no Berlin in 1945. New-New York can be built in Albany.
Temps are just insufficient cause for collapse (on zer own)
Great work Nick. Keep it up. You continue to be a key data resource for me.
Thank you.
Social scientist who doesn’t understand how protest works. Her assertion that protesting after a policy is made is a “waste of time” would mean no civil rights, no gay rights, no workers rights etc etc. almost all protest is in reaction to bad policy, after the fact, because that is what causes the protest, implementation of it. There are almost no examples of protest affecting a policy during the decision making process. Its like saying “why protest George Floyd’s death? You can’t reverse death?!” Its to prevent future harm, to show dissent, otherwise no reaction to bad policy surely means a normalisation of more bad policy. The protest after the Manchin deal signals to everyone who sees it, look what Biden did, isn’t it wrong, the media report on it, further people see Biden did an anti-climate deal, it affects his electoral strategy etc it serves like any other protest, it hopes to affect further policy and has significant cultural, societal impacts, especially if the cause is just. And for her to say policy cannot be reversed and then mention roe vs wade in the next breath. Come on. Ludicrous. Utterly asinine and defeatist. Her point is really against all protest, unless it is in within a tiny window while policy is decided and the protesters have somehow got insider information of all the dodgy deals behind the scenes 😂 protest is mostly after all other avenues aren’t successful, of course ideally it has a winnable goal, but most seem impossible until theyre not and change happens.
Not risk I would suggest but direct impact. People don't notice risk of this type. Must be a direct impact on communities. So what needs to happen? Sea level rise? Chaotic weather -- hurricane takes out Miami? Food shortages maybe. Maybe we will be lucky with a Tambora type climate cooling eruption.
Sea level rise is currently just over 3mm per year. If you check the polar temperature proxies for the last few thousand years and take note of the average, the scatter, the accuracy and the time between results you will see that this rate is probably not that unknown. Go back to the temperature rise out of the last Ice Age and it is well within natural rates.
No extreme weather yet, well within known limits. What is actually happening is hysterical reporting by click bait media and activists.
Most people have no idea who the petroleum states are.
You can google "List of countries who produce the most oil".
If you want to do something radical in the USA, vote GREEN PARTY in massive numbers.
If both Republicans, and Democrats (representatives of the status quo no matter what they say) lose seats in Congress to the Green Party, you WILL see change.
How to escape from a sick society when greed and racism is a illusion that keeps us apart where does reality take us hopes and dreams of a better day what well tomorrow bring can we escape from the nightmares of the future can we understand the love we need to heal what is necessary to overcome ourselves and find peace
Think global, act local.
Like a lot of academics seeki g to justify themselves, she succeeds in making some rather obvious and simple idea complicated and abstruse, even onventi g her own silly jargon. What a waste of time
The cop is joke
At the moment there is such a high level of risk regarding the obvious cost of the loss of all fossil fuels and the massive corresponding cost of adapting to green energy as it is. Which we cannot afford in any financial manner. There will not be the change to green energy as the world population collapses and the tax base shrinks. Energy security is much more sort after for the impending world war! Read the thoughts of Bjorn Lombourg. Adaptation is the key, Not expensive plans which may be recognised to be failures in the future.
Complete nonsense. That is a smokescreen for BAU.
Delusional.