15 Dramatic Sopranos attempt the "Abscheulicher!" climax (B3-B5)

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  • Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
  • Part 7 of the "Dramatic sopranos sing..." series. Fifteen dramatic sopranos attempt the scales, coloratura, high Bs and low B in Leonore's "Abscheulicher!" scene from Fidelio (Beethoven). I think Leonore is quite an underrated role in terms of reputation, requiring a large-voiced soprano with good dynamics, the ability to sing florid passages, and an extremely even scale covering 2+ octaves.
    Many of the artists here take a little liberty with the score. Here is the full score for reference: en.opera-scores....
    Featured artists
    Helene Wildbrunn
    Frida Leider
    Kirsten Flagstad
    Hilde Konetzni
    Anny Konetzni
    Martha Mödl
    Getrude Grob-Prandl
    Astrid Varnay
    Birgit Nilsson
    Eileen Farrell
    Inge Borkh
    Gwyneth Jones
    Jessye Norman
    Catarina Ligendza
    Nina Stemme
    I know there is probably a quiet a few missing, but it was difficult to fit in many artists with this somewhat longer than usual excerpt.

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  • @dramaticsoprano5168
    @dramaticsoprano5168  Рік тому +7

    Other notable performances:
    - Mezzo Marilyn Horne singing this scene: ua-cam.com/video/-sBBrESWfBE/v-deo.html. She is the only one who I've heard sing the ad-libs at the end.
    - Christa Ludwig's famous rendition: ua-cam.com/video/CEdHa4AemLI/v-deo.html
    - Maria Callas teaching a student (and singing along): ua-cam.com/video/UVmMumxAoJk/v-deo.html

  • @Garwfechan-ry5lk
    @Garwfechan-ry5lk 7 місяців тому +4

    Martha Modl here sings like a Panzer Tank, but I saw her do this role in Vienna and I can tell you she was magnificent in that role. Acting as well. Great artist, nice to hear the Konetzni sisters as well. Frida Leider by a mile.

  • @jasonblack4208
    @jasonblack4208 Рік тому +8

    Frida Lieder: a dramatic voice that always retained beauty and spin

  • @pjenkins8206
    @pjenkins8206 Рік тому +6

    Astrid Varnay 💗

  • @user-gw5nn2mm8k
    @user-gw5nn2mm8k Рік тому +3

    Varnay is exellent! Her voice is the biggest.

  • @ASerranobaritone
    @ASerranobaritone Рік тому +6

    Varnay is the queen in the low notes

  • @babydrane
    @babydrane Рік тому +7

    I give this to Leider. Flagstad and Grob Prandl are also quite good.

  • @wotan10950
    @wotan10950 Рік тому +10

    You have to admit that Beethoven didn’t know what the hell he was doing with this vocal writing. The phrases are almost impossible, and few sopranos really excel. (P.S. the only ones I saw onstage as Leonore were Verrett, Jones, Behrens, Mattila. I’ll have to check my notes, I seem to recall seeing Soderstrom. Oh, and Debora Voigt in concert, who was outstanding)

    • @SleepingTurtle1
      @SleepingTurtle1 Рік тому +3

      yes thank you - as much as I love Beethoven, he really couldn't do opera

    • @ColonelFredPuntridge
      @ColonelFredPuntridge Рік тому +2

      @@SleepingTurtle1 Beethoven was a dreadful vocal-abuser. Notice how often non-professional choirs and choral societies do the Brahms _Requiem,_ the Mozart _Requiem,_ even the Verdi _Requiem!_ Why is it so unusual to see a choral society or non-professional choir singing the "Ode to Joy", perhaps with piano-accompaniment?
      Because the piece is impossible to learn and impossible to sing even after you've learnt it. The _Missa Solemnis_ too.
      The question is did he just not care, or did a vocalist break his heart when he was a kid?
      (There's only one exception I know of: the role of Rocco in _Fidelio_ feels pretty good in the mouth, most of the time.)

    • @jondavwal13
      @jondavwal13 4 місяці тому

      @@ColonelFredPuntridge As silly as it sounds, some musicologists believe the fact that he was deaf was extremely detrimental to his vocal writing. Honestly the vocals in the 9th are the ugliest thing I’ve ever heard. It can’t be done well. It’s just gross.

  • @filipporavizza3613
    @filipporavizza3613 4 місяці тому +2

    ASTRID VARNAY ....... SUPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @operaanimelover369
    @operaanimelover369 Рік тому +5

    My seven most favourite ones are Helene Wildbrunn, Frida Leider, Kirsten Flagstad, Anny Konetzni, Gertrude Grob-Prandl, Astrid Varnay, and Birgit Nilsson because they have secure techniques in both the upper and the lower registers. It would have been just as amazing to have Helena Braun, Erna Schlüter, Christa Ludwig, and Shirley Verrett on board because of how they can also let their voices carry over and orchestra.
    I would also like to make an observation about Leonore from Fidelio because I always prefer it when a dramatic soprano who can also do mezzo roles or a high dramatic mezzo who can also do dramatic soprano roles does this because she needs the chest tones and the high notes of Amneris, Azucena, Cuniza, Eboli, Santuzza, Tigrana, Turandot, Brünnhilde, Isolde, Venus, Ortrud, Elektra, Salome, and The Dyer's Wife.

    • @dramaticsoprano5168
      @dramaticsoprano5168  Рік тому +2

      Oh definitely, this made me realize how many artists I missed. Although not all the mentioned singers are dramatic sopranos (Braun and Schlüter for sure, however).
      I agree with your comment about these roles. I wish the “Die Frau…” was more popular pre-war. We never got the chance to hear many old school singers take on the Dyer’s Wife and attempt her super low notes.

  • @ransomcoates546
    @ransomcoates546 Рік тому +5

    Many sopranos have said that the B natural is a scarier note than the C.

  • @henrygingercat
    @henrygingercat Рік тому +7

    Well, horn playing has certainly improved over the years. Leider I thought the most dramatic, Flagstad the most secure and Gwyneth Jones was a pleasant surprise.

    • @babydrane
      @babydrane Рік тому +3

      Lol Yes. Interestingly, the horns got better but not the sopranos. I also agree about Jones but it sounds like a studio recording where perhaps she was a bit less pressed to sing big.

    • @dramaticsoprano5168
      @dramaticsoprano5168  Рік тому +2

      @@babydrane Yes, it is a studio recording, which I guess is a bit unfair. The rest are all live except the first two (obviously - there were no broadcasts back then) and Farrell.
      Here is one of Jones' live takes for better comparison: ua-cam.com/video/QHod5WoJXNY/v-deo.html (44:22)

    • @babydrane
      @babydrane Рік тому

      @@dramaticsoprano5168 Not bad. I expected it to be a lot more strident and I was pleasantly surprised.

    • @peteradaniel
      @peteradaniel Рік тому +1

      Gwyneth Jones was not a dramatic soprano. She was a lirico-spinto

    • @wotan10950
      @wotan10950 Рік тому +5

      @@peteradaniel Just curious if you saw her onstage in the theater. My wife and I met her backstage, a slim, almost petite, woman, who spoke in a soft almost-whisper. My wife was confused. She asked me, “is that the same person who just obliterated the entire chorus and orchestra?” Sure sounded like a dramatic soprano to us. The only singer we ever heard make more noise was Eva Marton! And yes, I saw Nilsson too.

  • @EmilyGloeggler7984
    @EmilyGloeggler7984 Рік тому +1

    Of this list for this particular role - Frida Lieder, Eileen Farrell, and Hilde Konetzni deliver both the technique and passion for the role of Leonore.

  • @crisha721
    @crisha721 Рік тому +1

    Frida Leider was my favourite. Gwyneth Jones, Astrid Varnay, Kirsten Flagstad and Birgit Nilsson were also excellent

  • @Tenortalker
    @Tenortalker Рік тому +2

    Gwyneth Jones sang the role a great deal early on in her career and it suited her well. Leonie Rysanek is another Leonore who merits consideration . There is a live which is better than her commercially recorded performance with Fricsay in terms of pitch. I like Leider , Varnay, Grob Prandl particularly in these phrases. Flagstad and Borkh for the complete role too. I am horrified by this Modl recording where she sounds as if she is ripping her voice apart on the high notes. Other recordings reveal her to be both a committed performer and in better form vocally.

  • @marisapanzarin2910
    @marisapanzarin2910 Рік тому +1

    Gertrude had a very clear full bright sound for this i feel like her low register and high register were very seemless i felt she had the most meat as it were to the sound

  • @joshuavandyne7334
    @joshuavandyne7334 Рік тому +2

    Karita Matilla was a thrilling Leonora

  • @pixelchords3201
    @pixelchords3201 Рік тому +10

    Flagstad, Grob-Prandl and Varnay are the best out of the 'modern era' singers.
    The older singers are hard to judge because of poor quality. I think Wildbrunn might have had the best coloratura. Leider sounds a little weak on the low notes.

    • @ginopietracupa4305
      @ginopietracupa4305 Рік тому

      Astrid Varnay simply does not how to sing

    • @ginopietracupa4305
      @ginopietracupa4305 Рік тому

      The best ones are Flagstad and Nilsson

    • @pixelchords3201
      @pixelchords3201 Рік тому +1

      @@ginopietracupa4305 Varnay is definitely cleaner in the florid parts than Nilsson. They both do fine in terms of the range requirements.

  • @fr.jamesjohnson1567
    @fr.jamesjohnson1567 Рік тому +5

    I give this round to Frida Leider for raw excitement and technical accuracy. Honorable mention to Anny Konetzni.

    • @divinitesdustyx5312
      @divinitesdustyx5312 Рік тому +2

      "Technical accuracy" yet she is non-existent on the low notes despite the advantage of a studio recording compared to others.
      Personally, I do not find her top notes great either because her vibrato seems shaky, but I know I am probably in the minority there.

    • @fr.jamesjohnson1567
      @fr.jamesjohnson1567 Рік тому +4

      @@divinitesdustyx5312 Sorry guys, have to disagree with you here. I agree with Leider’s interpretation. Her agitato is appropriate and her ppp bottom E on “reichen” really sets up the contrast with “Ich folg’ dem innern Triebe…” That bottom ideally should not be “exploded” or overly projected but diminished because what comes next is allegro con brio and you want the transition itself emphasized as much as possible. But on the other hand, Beethoven gives a lot of interpretative leeway in this air. Leider’s approach makes the most sense to me and she is the only singer who actually sings all the ascending notes of the run on Gatten cleanly & dead on. Big points for that!

    • @dramaticsoprano5168
      @dramaticsoprano5168  Рік тому +1

      @@fr.jamesjohnson1567 Wildbrunn is quite accurate in the final scale as well.

    • @divinitesdustyx5312
      @divinitesdustyx5312 Рік тому +2

      @@fr.jamesjohnson1567 A "ppp" or "diminished" note should still be projected. A quiet note HAS to be heard to give the intended effect. Many other singers here also sing it quietly but are ALSO able to project it.

    • @dragicaklomp9810
      @dragicaklomp9810 Рік тому +1

      @Noack Somewhere nobody mentions her squally top, because she hasn't: het top is fine.

  • @divinitesdustyx5312
    @divinitesdustyx5312 Рік тому +4

    Modl always embarrassed herself when the tessitura raised a little or a little flexibility was called for. A beautiful voice with a little too much ambition.

    • @ransomcoates546
      @ransomcoates546 Рік тому +1

      First time Mödl has been accused of having a beautiful voice.

    • @divinitesdustyx5312
      @divinitesdustyx5312 Рік тому

      @@ransomcoates546 I find her voice beautiful in the Liebestod for example.

    • @ransomcoates546
      @ransomcoates546 Рік тому +2

      @@divinitesdustyx5312 I’m used to her being cited as a classic example of the ‘Kunstdiva’, who made her points by uncanny dramatic instinct rather than vocal splendor.

    • @verdadeealegria4866
      @verdadeealegria4866 Рік тому +1

      I like modls voice. I ThinQ her voice is very dramatic.

  • @clefnoteproductions6695
    @clefnoteproductions6695 Рік тому +1

    Did Johanna Meier sung Fidelio? Are there recordings of Elinor Ross singing this?

    • @dramaticsoprano5168
      @dramaticsoprano5168  Рік тому +1

      Meier - She sang Fidelio, but there are no recordings (at least easily available) to my knowledge.
      Ross - Yes ( ua-cam.com/video/6bzecaexM8I/v-deo.html), great rendition.

  • @enthusedtosing9655
    @enthusedtosing9655 Рік тому +1

    Flagstad I thought was Nilsson!

    • @johnpickford4222
      @johnpickford4222 Рік тому +1

      Enthused To Sing: Nilsson might appreciate a left handed compliment but not in this case!

  • @ColonelFredPuntridge
    @ColonelFredPuntridge Рік тому +2

    Gertrud Grob-Prandl is God.

    • @johnpickford4222
      @johnpickford4222 Рік тому

      Theodore Shulman: Perhaps but her photo looks like a drag queen!

  • @BaroneVitellioScarpia1
    @BaroneVitellioScarpia1 Рік тому +5

    I wish Callas could record this aria too (in Italian of course).

    • @johnpickford4222
      @johnpickford4222 Рік тому +1

      Barone: Even seven months it would have been impossible since she had passed. I wonder if the recording archives at EMI/Warner would have an unreleased test or taping she and Legge didn’t approve.

  • @stevendaniel8126
    @stevendaniel8126 Рік тому +1

    Awful.......

    • @johnpickford4222
      @johnpickford4222 Рік тому +1

      Steven Daniel: What exactly is “awful”? The comparisons, your inability to appreciate Beethoven, you fail understand why someone would put together a video like this or you have nothing to do but make foolish comments?

    • @pianoronald
      @pianoronald 8 місяців тому +1

      My favourites are Frida Leider, Inge Borkh and Gwyneth Jones. Other excellent Leonoras I heard were Leonie Rysanek, Christa Ludwig and Ludmila Dvorakova. But my favourite recording of the aria is Siobhan Stagg with Raphael Pichon with all appoggiaturas in place! And I hate the final „Liebe“ sung e - e instead of f sharp - e.