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I really hate the era of 'corporate heads with no creativity ask a computer to mash other creative works together so they can fire actual creatives, and it makes everything uglier and worse for all of us'.
There are already people talking about how people looking for jobs should adjust their resume and cover letter to make them more like what an AI would produce, because the AIs that do the first screening of applications are trained on applications produced by AIs. I don't think machine-learning and related sets of algorithms are going away any time soon. It remains to be seen whether these are our new robot overlords (unlikely), our new army of robot assistants (best-case scenario) or a new software middle class forming the layer between the ever-more-distant capitalist elite and everyone else (unfortunately the apparent goal of most big AI projects). The choice between the latter two is a social and political one. (I keep seeing the uncreative corporate types you mention basically rejoicing at how AI will let them replace everyone whose skills they lack and finally declare wealth the only _legitimate_ form of creativity, innovation or intelligence.) Remember, the original Luddites weren't anti-technology, they just thought technology should be in the hands of the people whose jobs that technology was supposed to make easier. And with AI, that's the easy way of implementing it -- quick drafting of mock-ups for artists, automating the rote and tedious parts of a lot of tech jobs, etc. Building AI to replace workers is the _more difficult_ option.
The way you phrased "Willy Wonka event" made it sound like a natural disaster. "There was a Category 5 Willy Wonka event, the entire city has been rendered silly"
It sounds like something from a -J SCP article. "If containment measures fail a Willy Wonka Event will occur rendering a warehouse of people bored, the outcome is universally fatal."
its been repeated ad nauseam, but its truly fucked how the ideal was robots doing menial labor so people could spend more time on art and weve ended up with robots making art so humans can do more menial labor
The people who pursue power do not value art. They are devoid of creativity or imagination. This results in "business men" and "entrepreneurs" doing fuck-all to create worthwhile product and still expecting that they deserve millions of dollars because they did the hard work of sitting on their asses collecting checks. This has always been the foreseeable outcome for machine-learning.
I work in an industry association and like. both are being pushed. so my boss tells me use ai to write the email to promote the zoom call promoting another workshop where they discussed how "automation won't take the menial jobs!" "even if they did, of course companies would train those people to do something else!".
The basic answer hasn't really changed. 1) Errors in AI art are less immediately dangerous than a physical robot. One going wrong makes extra fingers in a picture, the other is a piece of machinery that can kill you. 2) Moravec's Paradox. Reasoning requires little computation versus sensorimotor and perception. Robots are still struggling to walk after decades, let alone do our plumbing. Meanwhile, hey, looks like pictures are easy to conjure up. 3) Despite 1 and 2, we are constantly automating menial jobs, whether it's automated packbots in an Amazon warehouse or robot arms in an factory assembly line. There isn't any coordinated Machiavellian plan to personally stomp on artistry first. Just the cold indifferent cog of late stage capitalism and engineering.
I've been fiercely anti ai in a lot of ways but the kicker for me was when my housemates dad passed away recently and her family started getting ai written obituaries popping up about him which were just designed to get them to download malware. Truly ghoulish behaviour
Yeah, I mean when my grandad died, scammers cross referenced the death and phone records to identify my grandmother and target her to try to take her money. I would be hard pressed to say that made me anti-telephone, anti-database, or anti-internet.
“Twilight has inspired many beautiful works of art” Cuts to a Frida-Kahlo-esque piece of Bella in the woods holding herself as a botched human centipede
I was just thinking about one of the things that makes machine-generated art so bleak to me and I think it's this: you can't really ask questions or think deeply about it. Because there was no intention behind it, no entity making choices to further a theme or message or experience. It's an amalgamation of preexisting art designed to be as prompt-fitting as possible. idk, "AI" art feels like the embodiment of "the curtains are just blue, there's no reason and it's a waste of time to think of reasons" type of mentality; it can't really be analyzed on its own terms because no conscious choices were made in its creation (though an angle it can be analyzed from is how it can and does reflect/perpetuate/amplify trends, stereotypes, and biases)
exactly this!!!!! in a similar vein, i think "death of the author" takes for granted that there WAS an author. also, since ai is all data and mimicry, it can't create anything that isn't the center of the bell curve. that's so much creativity we're missing out on...
I mean that is only art that is done with no thought behind it. If you actually want to get a result that doesn't look like trash, you have to work on it a lot. It really is just a tool and like many tools it can be abused. The main problem here is not the tool, but who controls it and who utilize it. In these discussions, people really should realize that AI will get good enough to fool most people (in some instances it already has), AI is here to stay and it will be used by anyone who wants a competitive advantage, and finally, the only way to avoid the dystopia things we are starting to see is to embrace open-source alternatives to the tools that are crafted and controlled by mega corporations.
@@GageEakins that's a good point! AI itself isn't the problem (it's a tool, like you said), the problem is how it's being used as a tool to further exploit and "replace" humans and their skilled labor. Even creating artistically competent AI art is its own skill that requires time and knowledge of art/design principles as well as how the machine learning functions! As much as I personally feel uneasy about machine generated art (at least in the context it's currently being used), I think the ultimate goal should be to make it available as an accessible tool to use in tandem with the study of visual art, as well as to regulate it in order to minimize theft/guarantee royalties for art used in datasets and maximize transparency of whether something has been AI generated/what data has been used to generate the art. It's a bit of a new frontier; I hope we can push for more ethical use than what we're currently seeing that ensures the survival and sustainability of art as a study/career.
Absolutely, yeah Judging by the bulk of things that people are using it for, AI-generated work isn't _meant_ to be held up to the same standard of having a meaning as the majority of art is -- to the people cranking out algorithm-generated drawings and the like, it is no more than a commodity and it only needs to be "good enough" to fool others (who similarly view art as a commodity whose most important aspect is its existence, not meaning or impact) into thinking it had effort behind it (Though I'd wager most of them would grossly undershoot the amount of time and effort that creating artwork of any kind takes...) The issue is, of course, the ease with which it can be produced and how that seems to be the selling point. Artists of all kinds are being pushed out of the equation because the hypothetical mindless consumer wants more and wants it now, which is the same mentalty that leads to "the curtains were blue. end of story." since, under that view, art is only worth as much as its immediate, superficial aesthetics are worth
The worst thing to me about AI is while needing less people than actual created work, someone still needs to post it. Someone had to watch the Twilight documentary, and give it to Amazon. A human being, if not multiple, sat down and said "This is good enough for people to watch. It's insulting. People who use AI think you deserve to see that slop. At least jingling keys in my face would imply I'm a human being who responds to stimuli. AI says "This idiot doesn't even know what a face is supposed to look like."
Idk about watching it (they could just render and post without checking), but you're right in that it is absolutely insulting that they put it out with the intent of it being watched and capitalized on (otherwise what would be the point of posting and selling?) and that's just depressing, because it's gotta mean SOMEONE is watching and paying. This is kind of why I've always been against the "I enjoy it ironically" and "guilty pleasure" conversation, the takeaways content producers (very deliberately not using the word "artist" here) see in it are "we can make low effort shit and still turn in a profit." It's entirely ok to enjoy B movies/trashy stuff, but I think we should at least put in the effort to articulate and investigate WHY those appeal to us instead of dumbing it down to "so bad lol"
Are you sure about that? Amazon marketplace doesn't have an API? I'd be somewhat surprised if that is the case actually. I suspect the whole process could be automated, a system that just churns out "content" and puts it up for sale for you.
Umm excuse me but I’ve been one of those people that has been force into listen to AI stuff because my bosss didn’t want to pay someone voice lines. I thinks it crap but my boss doesn’t! It’s not me 😅 but I need to pay my rent. lol. Please blame the CEO! They get to on vacation while I struggle to buy dog food.
It's pretty much every chocolate maker currently operating, the chocolate supply chain is maintained almost entirely by slavery, child labour and human trafficking
Ill start believing AI has some level of intelligence when I'm no longer able to gaslight it into saying that Donald Trump is the main villain of Avatar The Last Airbender
"You know folks, I don't like the Earth Kingdom. I don't trust it one bit. You know, King Sleepy Joe over here lets a *bear* run his country? Not a gopher bear, not a platypus bear, not even an armadillo bear. Just a total freak of nature. At least the country's patriots in the Dai Li are doing what they can, fighting for freedom against the commies in Ba Sing Se. And folks, this is why I, Fire Lord Donald Trump, am declaring myself the Phoenix King. Yes, you heard that right, *Phoenix. King.* Write that down, to take what rightfully belongs to the Fire Nation people. Make the Fire Nation Great Again!"
"I got this chatbot to say a thing, I beat the system!" You are the customer. You are the person still buying into the idea that this is a real intelligence and not a fancy word generator.
@@gianlucamattos8684It will, and then you giggle. That is the point. It is sad to see so many people watch a video like this and still completely miss the point that repeating things other people have written is the only thing it does.
If anything, I hope this whole situation has increased general awareness of the 'stink' of AI. The weirdly desaturated blurriness nobody would add on purpose, the confused lighting that's simultaneously too detailed and complete nonsense, and that's not even mentioning the 'Pasadise of teats'... If a company is happy to cut corners in marketing, maybe don't trust an event they're running for children.
there's plenty of beautiful "paintings" made by ai beyond the memeable examples of it failing harshly. It really is a losing battle when it comes to "quality" in the way you are protraying it. In that regard, photography killed art before, so did digital art, and now ai will become the epitome. Thing is, artistic value has never been (or shouldn't be) perceived as that reach for perfection in color theory, composition, etc, all measurable things btw and again, it is indeed a losing battle with ai. Value has and always will be there in the human factor of "human creation". Ai will for sure replace the things nobody was doing out of passion in the first place, let's be real, like most ads. but art or passion projects will always exist with their unique human flaws and strengths.
The problem is, pointing out the "flaws" of AI is only a temporary argument. Those flaws can and eventually _will_ be ironed out. You can't make that argument forever. That said, I think a better argument against AI art is saying that it has no meaningful process. The process - aka, the act of creating the piece - is itself, a crucial part of what makes art... art. Even photography requires setting up lighting, adjusting angles, choosing location and framing, etc. That is the fundamentally human part of art that AI can't replicate. The struggle of creating. AI is a machine, and therefore does not struggle nor feel anything while "creating" its piece. All it knows are values and data points people have attributed to _finished_ products. But you can't quantify the emotion that went into a piece, or put the emotional struggles of a starving artist into a data chart - it just doesn't work that way. _That_ is what separates human art from AI. The only way I'll ever admit that a machine has made something that could genuinely become art, is if we advanced robot technology to the point where they can unarguably think for themselves. If, then, a robot _decides_ on its own to create art - and instead of browsing data files on what "art" means, sought inspiration from the world around it - _then_ I could say that an AI has truly created art. And that would be pretty amazing, honestly! However, we're quite a ways off from that kind of artificial sentience - if it's even possible - and even if we had it, I bet companies would still resort to using "cheap" soulless AI.
@@bugjams Also feeding AI into AI causes the quality of the thing to _RAPIDLY_ degrade and like the more they try to replace artists with machines the shittier the machines will get at replacing artists
@@emisformaker i was thinking, not yet having watched whatever promted this of queasy quebois, or terrifying torontoans, a valhala of vancouverites, and certainly angry albertans... you know whee i'm from, dincha catch the self-assured casual arrogance. see you in november when you find yourselves in need of a good wall
That feeling is a part of why I’ve mostly fallen out of the left-wing content space. Because if garbage like that AI “documentary” is democracy, then I’m a fascist.
@@victorycry8849 Same here. I am definitely not authoritarian, but I am unable to trust that democracy will produce positive outcomes without an unimaginably large amount of radical changes to society first.
@@candiedskull9841 Yeah, I feel really, really bad for them. Some started crying, no doubt they'll remember this and feel bad about what could've been. This whole incident is disgusting, who will think of the children!!! But, like, actually!!!!
AI can't create art. It's human element which transformed AI hallucinations into ✨experience ✨. The obviously miserable actors, the crying children, the Unknown One, police force. Beautiful
@@Eerieversibleany DND content is, it's horrible. I've been looking for an amateur artist to commission some character portraits because I simply don't trust all the good artists with cheap prices. And god forbid you want to find a character generator, just give me something like heroforge or a piccrew I don't need a super tailored AI powered experience for god's sake.
14:39 hearing the name “Shad” alongside discussions of art had me on High Alert but I’m glad it turned out to just be the anti-Peach-Pants jousting guy
@@headwreak1768 shadman/shadbase is an infamous porn artist who got in hot water for drawing porn of keemstars underaged daughter amongst many other things
This is exactly why so many people are cynical about AI. There will always be airheads trying to turn a quick buck for as little effort as possible, naturally they're drooling over AI tech as the next big money-printing scheme ... There are people trying to AI generate entire books, films, video games, all we can really do is try to stay wise to them as they come along. Trying to AI-generate an actual brick-and-mortar event though, that takes a special level of audacity.
I don't know if this is the final boss of the content-ification of online video, but it certainly feels like we're getting close. Just AI vomited up garbage to appeal to nobody but to just fill up harddrives of servers somewhere to wait for anyone unfortunate enough to have it get filtered into their feed.
That's my experience with UA-cam shorts. There're great creators out there who get pushed out by AI generated manure. Wait, manure actually as some value. It's AI generated waste
This is nowhere close to the final boss. If you go digging a little you will find a seemingly endless supply of minimal effort AI generated "science" and "history" content. All absurdly sensationalized and clickbaity, and often catering to conspiracy theory enthusiasts. The scary part being that there are a few people who swallow that shit whole. Sure, it's comically janky and unconvincing now, but in 10 years...
The only thing that gives me hope is that ultimately, humans just prefer to engage with things that other humans created. Currently AI-driven content seems to be gaining traction, but I think part of that is because it's still new and novel. People will watch AI content to "see what it's like" or because they're curious about how good it's getting and they want to watch it progress. But eventually, it will be so common that things will settle down and humans will be actively looking for human-made content again. For example, if Hollywood released "the world's first AI movie, completely written and produced by AI" it would make loads of money. People would be curious to see it and if it was bad people would watch it to laugh and make memes. But after that, who's guna care? No one wants to watch meaningless art made by something that doesn't care about what it produces. I want to see someone's passion project 🥰
"Once, Men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would free them. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."
Shad will never ask his younger brother for art instruction. Every time Shad acquires a little bit of knowledge on a subject, he assumes that makes him an irrefutable expert, whether it's on art, fiction writing, medieval history, or swordsmanship. The same thing happens when he approaches media analysis or politics.
Uhhh Jazza (shad's brother) deadass uses AI plagiarism in his art studio because he doesn't want to hire a concept artist or collect reference images. He's not much better lol.
@@DragoonBoom I mean, it's just concept art, by definition its meant to be unfinished and changed in the final product. compared to other commercial uses, this is relatively harmless. also, as long as its not a big animation studio, I don't really see the harm in this cost cutting measure.
AI itself isn’t even the problem, the problem is the tech bros that make it and the incentives of capitalism. Open-minded people would find ethical and interesting uses of this stuff if those factors were out of the equation, and still will with them. But it doesn’t matter, because the people in power already don’t respect artists and/or quality, and just care about the return on investment from shitting out slop. They want to replace people. They want to degrade human culture to be as shallow as possible since it’s the safest way to make a profit. Nothing good will come of AI until the system is reworked and the soulless are out of the picture.
yeah pretty much. The thing that keeps sticking with me throughout these discussions is that everything everybody is complaining about was already happening. Capitalism was already treating artists like AI's and shoveling out blurry horrifying reimaginings of our beloved childhoods well before machine learning took the wheel.
@@bekkayya 100%. AI is just an easy scapegoat for not having to deal with our fucked society. When you paint AI like a boogeyman, it's really easy to blame it for all the issues arising around it. We're just too up our own asses, to realize that we're the problem. Developing AI technology ethically has always been an option, we've just collectively chosen "fuck that, let's print money" because that's how humanity is apparently.
AI *does* have some legitimate use cases that aren't just "create endless amounts of content slop." In the scientific field, it can be very useful for compiling/summarizing data, and it's pretty decent for translation (though it still very much needs human oversight, like any machine translation.) But like you said, all this shitty AI-generated content is the easiest way to exploit AI for a profit in the short term, despite being an absolute copyright *nightmare,* and so it's the only use case giant soulless corporations care about. Which is really, really sad.
its so sad to me that theres so much focus on ai replacing art and artists, like if we use that shit at all it should be for boring ass number crunching. idk im exhausted doing my pointless ass job instead of art and ai fucking sucks
We should be really careful about those too. We are headed towards some catastrophic breaking points by entrusting so many things in the hands of a few programs. The moment one of those things fail it can affect thousands quite easily and be hard to catch, and then nobody takes responsability because "its what the program said". All while taking people's jobs.
@Zoulstorm Im confused too. You can go to an image AI, give it some prompts. *poof* It is "an art". Soulless, empty an art. But, apparently people with dreams of being an artist and no talent can "make art" and "have shows". By entering prompts into a box. ... God the human race is doomed.
it’s kind of sad thinking about the extinction of ‘bad art’ as a subgenre. often the thing that makes movies like The Room, Birdemic etc. fun and entertaining are the choices the movie makes, and what those choices can tell you about the directing, the production, the actors, etc. AI by its very nature will always make the safest, blandest choice imaginable. It’s truly a system made solely for generating slop.
When they showed the bad animation at the beginning, I kept thinking of the early, terrible CD-i games that fueled hundreds of youtube poops. There's just something different between a bad AI-generated animation and the terrible cutscenes from Zelda Faces of Evil.
When I was a kid, I read and reread a book called "Invitation to the Game" by Monica Hughes. It was a short sci-fi book, set in a dystopia where the vast majority of jobs were done by machines and the overwhelming numbers of unemployed people are barely supported. The ending was optimistic for the protagonists, and I won't spoil it, but one thing it does comment on was that it was easier for the government to get rid of the unemployed people than the robots. That idea has stuck with me for years, and seems very relevant in the face of this new wave of AI automation.
I don't think Amazon "did" an AI documentary, they just let pretty much anybody upload whatever movie they make to Amazon Prime. There's some good stuff on Prime, but it is also full of garbage because Amazon basically has no standards for what goes on there. It seems sadly inevitable that AI generated trash would make it's way to Amazon
I'm almost 50, and I have almost lost all hope. It's the fact that you and other younglings are on the case, it keeps me alive. This world is fucking wrong. It's not too late to change it.
I'm only 23 and I can't even imagine what the digital age is doing to the minds of children. We live in a time where boredom is a rarity, constantly stimulated by some variation of audio-visual content and bombarded with an overwhelming amount of information on the daily. Reading at the very least doesn't involve the relentless buzzing in our brains and encourages the use of imagination. Creativity thrives when consumption is limited. However, we've grown so impatient to the point of not wanting to even perform a simple google search. We crave instant results without the effort. Unfortunately, this comfortable passivity is to our detriment. Why, I used to be able to read books as a child, whereas as an adult I can't even retain information given in the span of 5 seconds.
What's funny about statements like this is that crime and every other bad metric is actually objectively down and decreases every year. We're just becoming more aware and more consumerized. The bad that we feel now is because we realize we are being treated as data points for people to sell things. Capitalism in its purest form is an enemy just like socialism in its purest form.
I, for one, am thankful that Jack is making so many videos about Wonka themed disasters. It lets us hear him say “Wonker” 100x per video. And that’s just great.
A lot of this AI is just being used to create more content. Content, much like plastic, will become so abundant that it'll show up absolutely everywhere and be impossible to get rid of.
I wanna do a Dune experience where I get a bunch of people to pay to show up to a construction site over the weekend, and then chase a Paul Atreides cosplayer around a pile of sand in a modified burrito costume made to resemble a worm while screaming "I CONTROLS THE SPICE! I CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE!"
I feel bad for the parents and kids who were disappointed by the Wonka stuff, but I dont understand how you could see the ads for it and think it was legit 😭 like get some awareness people
AI absolutely has a place in a positive future, like that one person who developped an AI to detect ASL signs and dictate them. That's amazing. But with who is currently in charge of AIs there's no chance of that happening whatsoever. We're just going to go into technoslavery
Yes, all the "AI can detect cancer in advance" stuff like that, doesn't mean anything ultimately as the devastation AI will cause will dwarf all the potentially positives of AI. Only an imbecile doesn't see it or an industrialist trying to gaslight everyone.
My biggest worry is what happens when AI has to start making money, 154 billion has already been invested and the power to run is enormous. What happens when we have to pay the actual cost, it's going to be incredibly expensive and it'll have driven out all alternatives. Not to mention the limit data set there is less and less for it to train on therefore it is going to get more and more generic meaning a worse product for more money will be required. Just like all these other Blitzscaling companies the inshitification of the service.
I just can imagine what will happen in coming years as companies continue to strangle actual creatives forcing the AI to start "learning" from itself, we will literally have a slowly worsening quality image like if it was printing a print because the human input that made it work will have disappeared
That’s one of my friends big arguments about how it won’t work out if it’s used in the way it currently is. AI has already started doing that to some degree
@@joelandersmith2735 yeah, I know, I am not against AI, I think it has its uses, but the way companies see it currently as some sort of quick way to cut costs will just lead to it going down the gutter in quality in due time
I feel bad for the kids who went to the wonka thing but im glad it blew up over the internet so much and became so mainstream that thry had to refund people and just showed how things marketed with ai are in fact bad
I don't see AI ever replacing creators. Robot slop is robot slop, people who actually care won't just indulge in generic ✨stuff✨, whether it be art, commentary, or **event planning**
Wild to think that, in the future, certain AI versions are going to be hunted down and restored for people who are currently 7 years old and will have nostalgia for them. "AI was better back in my day"
I've told people that they shouldn't get they hopes up for the future of AI or VR because it will probably go down the same path as TV, the internet, or streaming. What I mean by that is that all of those tech were once seen as the savior of X and/or going to enter us into a new positive future. EG TV was though of being an educated tool that would help educate people, back when it 1st came out. Although there has been great tv shows that weren't educational, let's just say that there's a reason why "idiot box" became a slang for TV. The internet back when it 1st started was a wild west of creativity and people being free to post almost whatever they wanted. Now it's just filled with ads and big tech companies cracking down on content to make it more advertiser-friendly. And lastly, streaming was once seen as the savior of entertainment; only for it to become Cable 2.0. So yeah get ready for Gen Alpha to say "AI was better in my day" in the future.
"No guys you don't understand, machine learning (which I insist on calling AI even though it isn't) will get better with time! You have to INVEST now in this DISRUPTIVE technology! This will be the FUTURE of ART!" People will do literally anything except respect artists.
As an artist, please stop. Ai learns from other people's work by pattern-matching, just like us. My ability to make coherent art was also pretty bad when I was the age of those algorithms. Also pretty sure it's going to actually develop sentience in a few years, and I really don't know what your crowd would do then.
i mean, it will eat nutritionists alive lol, since an ai being fed your bmi and quirks like celiac disease can give you an almost perfectly personalized dietary intake and suggestions. and plenty of other careers even more so than art are affected by this. in the medical area, if someone can just take your blood sample and correlate it to millions of prior results they could just give you an estimated diagnosis (which they already do, you can see the frames of references for each measurement. at this point i just go to the doctor with the results for what i already know i have, because you need his signature, let's be real. Only more complicated issues like surgery remain in need of the actual presence of your doctor. i know, plenty of people will get defensive about this). And many doctors do not even see you in person anymore with the grow of tele-medicine as they call it. i mean, it has already absolutely replaced customer service and secretaries. And it will continue swallowing jobs like that. i don't think we should try and compete or try to prove ourselves against the quality or lack there of of AI. That is a losing battle. again, jack forebodingly mentions how it will improve, and maybe at some point we won't be easily able to spot the difference. It becomes at that point an onthological question, if it's identical but it's made by an ai rather than a human how do we measure it's value? is it affected? i think it's a fundamentally flawed approach, since the human experience has never been about perfection. any car can outrun an athelete, yet we still value the olympics. it may sound obvious, but people overlook it. Technology has to do with efficiency and accesibility, not any higher or more subjective value and respect. People do not respect a car. This discussion was already there when photograpfy became popular, and then digital art, and now ai. i want to go all the way so we can at some point finally have this sorted out. So people can come to terms about the superiority in terms of "perfectionism" or eficciency when it comes to anything digital. When that becomes bsolutely obvious, there will be no need for comparison and a sort of "battle" between ai and human authors. Human creations will still shine on theor own terms, and in a way be freed from having to be trapped in the prison that is having to apease to the standards digitally created content pushes (as it moves forward, a regular human won't be able to keep up in that way, so it becomes obvious there is something else to aim for, just how nobody expects a runner to beat a car in terms of speed) I know plenty of people will get mad at what i'm saying, but even jack is sort of aware of this when he talks about the fear of the unkown, of us becoming irrelevant. We are, and we will, not just artists or writers. in a way, any number or "fact" related areas will become even more irrelevant since memorizing and applying data already has lost plenty of it's value, it's just a matter of time: Only investigative work holds the same if not more value as before as ai cannot "discover" what hasn't been fed intot he system already. And i'm saying all this as someone who values human creation and is a proffessional artist herself. But i'm not blind. What is coming is unavoidable. And it will be awful, though it has the potential to be great. see, in a perfect world if people aren't forced to forcibely monetize 16 hours of their day no matter what in any way posible, ai or machines replacing them isn't an issue; let's be real here, even among some more highly regarded careers there's people who openly got there not because they loved the job but because they needed money (no shade, veryone needs to eat and right now you monetize or you die, no way around it). And that is even more true of lesser paying jobs like a factory line employees. idealy you wouldn't have to push people into those jobs to keep our means of production and survival going, humans would be able to dedicate more time to their real interests. But we all know greed is just gonna leave more people homeless or with more excrutiating working hours trying to compete with the efficiency of ai, or forced to be the just an "ai manager" if you will, efffectively rendering the ai as the boss and the human as a sidenote to give a green check or give some basic initial input. But hey, the potential is there. I would like for meaningless jobs to just be handled by ai and machines rather than humans who just need to survive and would much rather be with their families and improving their health or skills. i wouldn't be offended if a robot gave me my sandwich at a subway, just inputing the ingredients and walking away with the product. It would require a radical change in how we see and apply our economy and social systems.
@@tamarbeker1701 Who told you their calculator was going to be sentient in a few years? Was it perhaps... the guy selling the calculators? You are a fool, a doofus even. Dare I say, a nincompoop.
@@magical571 I ain't reading all that, I'm gonna assume it was an impassioned speech about the glorious potential of machine learning. Please understand that we all heard speeches of this same type about NFTs, and those didn't last very long either.
@@magical571That sure was a whole lot of fuck-all just to say, "I think I know better than doctors so why can't a brainless computer give me a scrip?"
The "free-associative" novels of the Surrealists like Phillipe Soupault and Andre Breton's _Soluble Fish_ is maybe my favorite predecessor for the "bad art as good art" archetype. (It wasn't truly written as free association, as I learned one day when a literature professor managed to get me and a few other dumb dumbs to produce similarly bizarre output by prompting us to incrementally increase our editorial thoughts while still writing really quickly.)
I hate that AI stock photos are a thing now too. I was looking for some art to license for the nonprofit I run, but most of the hits I got back were AI. I didn’t even know that was legal.
the AI take over will be an issue until society starts using UBI programs. As someone who studied graphic design for YEARS of my life and worked through college for my degree, it feels awful knowing I will likely be replaced besides side jobs. I will never be able to make a career out of what I enjoy doing like I had hoped. Instead I will just have it as a hobby I can sometimes make money with.
But how will giant corporations incentivise artists to work in Amazon fulfilment centres doing menial labour if they get paid a living wage regardless?
@@cosmicspacething3474 partially, moast of the fault is of the Compannies that half hazertly created the tech and released It with out thinking on what would happen, eat the rich is what i am saying
19:08 I agree especially when you look at how much money has been spent on AI over $154 billion and counting. It has to stay there is so much at stake, not for humanity, but for the pockets of the investors.
Wow thank you for sharing about this situation in Glasgow. I posted it now here. It didn’t get a huge amount of US coverage so I didn’t really understand what happened. Note that in the US, these acts would form a federal crime for WIRE FRAUD (because they used the internet to deceive & took money online), so these crooks would face stiff penalties including monetary damages & jail time.
I think the wonka experience is a microcosm of what "AI" is it promises an emersive experience, something life changing. But in reality it's a word calculator, 154 billion has been spent on AI so far and that's what we get and they are running out of data to improve it upon.
The sad truth is that AI will eventually take virtually every job we have. It won't be within our lifetimes most likely, but eventually these learning algorithms will be given bodies and taught how to effectively do manual labor. The problem here isn't AI, even though it is the biggest symptom. The problem is that society values people based on their ability to provide a service or perform some kind of labor. The unnerving question that I feel like everyone has in the back of our minds lately is "What value do I have once my job is gone"?
One big issue I also see, with the AI art, is that even if we were given a salary and we didnt need to produce art to live... I still wouldn't want AI art to exist. It steals from artists and then invisibilizes us, it fills the internet with trash content and devalues what I feel is an uniquely human experience by presenting a hollow blended copy of it. And then there's all the scams and extremely malicious uses of it. AI content generation is horrible beyond job erasure.
the series has been criticized for its unheathy aspects the series had been criticized for its unhealthy dynamics uh-oh, the AI needs to turn in the book report tomorrow, and they didnt read the book! 😂
the fact that ai can be used for works of art that lean into the non-human aspect of its creation to make truly stunning abstract or conceptual pieces, but instead is used for cheap slop like an ai documentary or the wonka experience… where did we go wrong as a species 🤦♂️
I think AI is the next step in digital art, but greedy grifters are going around and using it to make nonsense like this. I also don't understand AI novels, like the only thing that I could see it being useful for is someone who has Aphantasia, and can't come up with something on their own. (That's like maybe a page at most)
Dan Brown isn't writing any more novels. His fans want something to read. But would a mystery style book written by AI make any sense? Would the actions of the twist villain make sense in hindsight? Would the clues add up?
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs well, just how non-verbal language in the form of images has gottent steadily refined by ai, so has and will written content. It lags behind for sure, but it will be there eventually. And plenty of novels already are basically human made filler, so i can absolutely see ai made content replacing or "enhancing" those. IT will never change the fact that passion, human made projects exist of course.
@@magical571A computer-generated book will never have a clever twist because it is fundamentally incapable of understanding concepts of drama or suspense. If you ever manage to feel some small amount of surprise from what an algorithm has regurgitated unto you, it will be purely through coincidence rather than by insightful, intelligent design.
Fortunately this is the first UA-cam video I’ve ever seen so I didn’t know anything about the AI Willy’s Chocolate Experience. Unfortunately this means I’ve also never heard about VPNs before either, so you owe me $1000 USD.
As a full time artist I don’t get to have an opinion or weigh in on this anymore since funny “haha he biased luddite” but general speaking I’m no longer concerned about my own position and ability to feed myself, the entirety of our species is cosmically fucked if we’re too stupid to pass the skill check on the worlds most gimmicky technology since Silicon Valley’s last hits like crypto, or sticking wifi and Bluetooth and a companion app into every home appliance and calling it smart. Now that I type that it seems quite analogous. We had to label something with ‘smart’ in the way we label something with ‘ai’ now. There was nothing smart about adding 7 extra steps to your coffee maker while adding 30 additional points of failure just so you could push a button on your phone and make it brew, cryptocurrency can hardly be considered currency when you can’t spend it anywhere aside from losing it to a 20 year old on a pump and dump, and all ai technology at this point is a bit of a misnomer when none of it is marginally different from the predictive text you’ve had on your phone for a decade, then beauty of an unthinking, unconvincing, unknowing ‘intelligence’ getting answers taken at face value like a digital magic 8 ball by people too dumb to use their own ability to reason. I truly cannot wait for when our children curse our names for wasting humanity’s last breath on useless gimmick technology for Google and Microsoft rather than giving an earnest attempt to fixing our dysfunctional relationship with population and sustainability. Source? Just trust me the technology gets better bro.
The biggest issue with current "AI" is also that it is a jack of all trades master of non, over $154 billion has been invested and when you look at what it's capable of. It does make you wonder what about if the money was just invested in specialised software and hardware for those specific tasks, how much better would those be and how much money could have been invested elsewherr like in green tech, 50 billion, 100 billion, probably much more than that with the current capabilities. The issue is that would reduce the hope these companies have for a future monopoly, now that is scary in of itself they have to make over 154 billion back and they'll find a way for us to pay for it.
I'm going to be watching The Apprentice on BBC tonight and I can bet next year Lord Sugars will be calling them all bloody muppets because they've lost 'im money on an AI task.
Whoa, Elemental video in the future? We're eating good out here. That Shad and Jazza clip never fails to fascinate me. Shad is one of the guys of all time.
Unfortunately I think you're right about AI being here to stay. The technology is only going to improve over time. It will become harder and harder to differentiate over time as the programs improve. And there is a monetary incentive to get cheap AI produced stuff over paying professionals. Even putting aside the march of technology, with AI art specifically you have people that like their AI art. They don't care if the fingers are mangled or the hair blends into the clothing or there's something off about the eyes, as long as they have their big boobs and hourglass figures. (I think it's very telling that Shad's example was of big boob supergirl art in skin tight costume. Not all AI art is about sexy waifu art but a not inconsiderable amount of it is.) NFTs meanwhile never had any value outside of hoping you can get someone else to buy it for more than you did. They were collectors items but without the actual physical item.
Giving AI a chance to speak for itself is a nice change of pace and sets a good precedent for when Will Smith is inevitibly out there trying to police the robots
Generating a poster AND text with AI is wild. Sure, you're already unwilling to put in effort or pay artists when you generate the poster, but you can't even type a few fucking words? You could do that with editing software in five minutes! I know because I did it out of curiosity when my friend showed the poster to me lmao
nah not dangerous, just funny, but I believe it was sarcastic, not like the video wasnt an excuse to approach talking about forms of love and feminism to fans of a mediocre piece of media lol
The thing that I think is missing in so many of these conversations regarding automation is that we can in fact regulate these mechanisms. In Hollywood workers used their union to halt the unethical use of AI. Technological applications are not inevitable and unstoppable, we can, and have in the past, regulate their use to monitor their impact and preserve human well being.
I enjoy the 1996 Mario movie U IRONICALLY it has THEMES and also man actors were drunk for the majority of filming because the director couple duo were apparently nightmares to work with
This shit is just vile. The only good thing ai has done is cause an airline to get sued and lose because their ai chat bot gave a customer incorrect information
The way you present it makes for such an absurd, abyssal level of contrast between the AI garbage and the latest video on the same topic by ContraPoints.
Can't wait to hear your theory on the Nightmare Before Christmas. Something something, Jack Skellington is a reptilian overlord, etc. Also I really really like that the Unknown is the villain of this video, I'm cackling over here
I hope the takeaway in the end about it is that people who think that AI art is the same as human art in any real way should go to hell forever. Like hope they end up in the sloth level. It's a nebulous concept that cannot be proven at the moment but that feels like how a lot of these corpo types view AI. Sure they're going to replace your job and leave you homeless, but woof, the profits!
As someone who automatically gets bored by knowing or wondering whether or not something is generative AI art, I have to disagree. People have different feelings about what matters with art. Some people feel like it's the same thing, and there isn't anything we can do about it. Art is extremely subjective, in my opinion, and if people personally value AI art as much, then so be it. For me, AI art makes things seem boring and pointless if it's all I'm thinking of. I've been failing to brainwash myself into caring when people get an image by typing directions/commissioning a program (regardless of how long they took to edit their intermediate level phrases), and then maaaybe touching it up a bit after. What generative AI itself is capable of is cool, but the products feel like stale fast food already, lmao. Having them stuffed all into general media is boring.
@@CelsiusingSomeone who views computer-generated garble as the same thing as human art is fucked in the head and will inevitably fall off a cliff chasing a set of jangling keys.
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What's a VPN?
I really hate the era of 'corporate heads with no creativity ask a computer to mash other creative works together so they can fire actual creatives, and it makes everything uglier and worse for all of us'.
and then they do a pikachu shocked face when consumers stop caring
Not even a corporate head. Just a guy with a history of scams finding easier ways to scam
Not even a corporate head. Just a guy with a history of scams finding easier ways to scam
@@CC-qx7hkI think their statement was more general. Bc it’s mostly corporate heads and grifters
There are already people talking about how people looking for jobs should adjust their resume and cover letter to make them more like what an AI would produce, because the AIs that do the first screening of applications are trained on applications produced by AIs.
I don't think machine-learning and related sets of algorithms are going away any time soon. It remains to be seen whether these are our new robot overlords (unlikely), our new army of robot assistants (best-case scenario) or a new software middle class forming the layer between the ever-more-distant capitalist elite and everyone else (unfortunately the apparent goal of most big AI projects). The choice between the latter two is a social and political one. (I keep seeing the uncreative corporate types you mention basically rejoicing at how AI will let them replace everyone whose skills they lack and finally declare wealth the only _legitimate_ form of creativity, innovation or intelligence.)
Remember, the original Luddites weren't anti-technology, they just thought technology should be in the hands of the people whose jobs that technology was supposed to make easier. And with AI, that's the easy way of implementing it -- quick drafting of mock-ups for artists, automating the rote and tedious parts of a lot of tech jobs, etc. Building AI to replace workers is the _more difficult_ option.
The way you phrased "Willy Wonka event" made it sound like a natural disaster. "There was a Category 5 Willy Wonka event, the entire city has been rendered silly"
It sounds like something from a -J SCP article.
"If containment measures fail a Willy Wonka Event will occur rendering a warehouse of people bored, the outcome is universally fatal."
@@Slysheen "The Billy Coull Manifestation will try to offer you a refund but when you look in your hand it will be a wad of used tissue paper."
With this statement, you have been more creative than any generative algorithm with ever be
The chocolate tsunamis' devastation was overshadowed only by the gobstopper hailstorm that lasted 5 days
The event has caused catastrophic levels of whimsy and wonder
its been repeated ad nauseam, but its truly fucked how the ideal was robots doing menial labor so people could spend more time on art and weve ended up with robots making art so humans can do more menial labor
The people who pursue power do not value art. They are devoid of creativity or imagination. This results in "business men" and "entrepreneurs" doing fuck-all to create worthwhile product and still expecting that they deserve millions of dollars because they did the hard work of sitting on their asses collecting checks. This has always been the foreseeable outcome for machine-learning.
That's the basics of marxism right there
I work in an industry association and like. both are being pushed. so my boss tells me use ai to write the email to promote the zoom call promoting another workshop where they discussed how "automation won't take the menial jobs!" "even if they did, of course companies would train those people to do something else!".
The basic answer hasn't really changed.
1) Errors in AI art are less immediately dangerous than a physical robot. One going wrong makes extra fingers in a picture, the other is a piece of machinery that can kill you.
2) Moravec's Paradox. Reasoning requires little computation versus sensorimotor and perception. Robots are still struggling to walk after decades, let alone do our plumbing. Meanwhile, hey, looks like pictures are easy to conjure up.
3) Despite 1 and 2, we are constantly automating menial jobs, whether it's automated packbots in an Amazon warehouse or robot arms in an factory assembly line.
There isn't any coordinated Machiavellian plan to personally stomp on artistry first. Just the cold indifferent cog of late stage capitalism and engineering.
I appreciate this response. @@chaosfire321
I've been fiercely anti ai in a lot of ways but the kicker for me was when my housemates dad passed away recently and her family started getting ai written obituaries popping up about him which were just designed to get them to download malware.
Truly ghoulish behaviour
that's disgusting, omg. i'm so sorry!
That's so f-ed.
ai didnt do that tho , it was humans
@@zzzzzzz8473and? ai degrades people
Yeah, I mean when my grandad died, scammers cross referenced the death and phone records to identify my grandmother and target her to try to take her money. I would be hard pressed to say that made me anti-telephone, anti-database, or anti-internet.
“Twilight has inspired many beautiful works of art”
Cuts to a Frida-Kahlo-esque piece of Bella in the woods holding herself as a botched human centipede
kahlo yes, myers no
That was so perfect 😂💀💀💀
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I was just thinking about one of the things that makes machine-generated art so bleak to me and I think it's this: you can't really ask questions or think deeply about it. Because there was no intention behind it, no entity making choices to further a theme or message or experience. It's an amalgamation of preexisting art designed to be as prompt-fitting as possible. idk, "AI" art feels like the embodiment of "the curtains are just blue, there's no reason and it's a waste of time to think of reasons" type of mentality; it can't really be analyzed on its own terms because no conscious choices were made in its creation (though an angle it can be analyzed from is how it can and does reflect/perpetuate/amplify trends, stereotypes, and biases)
exactly this!!!!! in a similar vein, i think "death of the author" takes for granted that there WAS an author. also, since ai is all data and mimicry, it can't create anything that isn't the center of the bell curve. that's so much creativity we're missing out on...
I mean that is only art that is done with no thought behind it. If you actually want to get a result that doesn't look like trash, you have to work on it a lot. It really is just a tool and like many tools it can be abused. The main problem here is not the tool, but who controls it and who utilize it. In these discussions, people really should realize that AI will get good enough to fool most people (in some instances it already has), AI is here to stay and it will be used by anyone who wants a competitive advantage, and finally, the only way to avoid the dystopia things we are starting to see is to embrace open-source alternatives to the tools that are crafted and controlled by mega corporations.
@@GageEakins that's a good point! AI itself isn't the problem (it's a tool, like you said), the problem is how it's being used as a tool to further exploit and "replace" humans and their skilled labor. Even creating artistically competent AI art is its own skill that requires time and knowledge of art/design principles as well as how the machine learning functions!
As much as I personally feel uneasy about machine generated art (at least in the context it's currently being used), I think the ultimate goal should be to make it available as an accessible tool to use in tandem with the study of visual art, as well as to regulate it in order to minimize theft/guarantee royalties for art used in datasets and maximize transparency of whether something has been AI generated/what data has been used to generate the art. It's a bit of a new frontier; I hope we can push for more ethical use than what we're currently seeing that ensures the survival and sustainability of art as a study/career.
Absolutely, yeah
Judging by the bulk of things that people are using it for, AI-generated work isn't _meant_ to be held up to the same standard of having a meaning as the majority of art is -- to the people cranking out algorithm-generated drawings and the like, it is no more than a commodity and it only needs to be "good enough" to fool others (who similarly view art as a commodity whose most important aspect is its existence, not meaning or impact) into thinking it had effort behind it
(Though I'd wager most of them would grossly undershoot the amount of time and effort that creating artwork of any kind takes...)
The issue is, of course, the ease with which it can be produced and how that seems to be the selling point. Artists of all kinds are being pushed out of the equation because the hypothetical mindless consumer wants more and wants it now, which is the same mentalty that leads to "the curtains were blue. end of story." since, under that view, art is only worth as much as its immediate, superficial aesthetics are worth
a switch is on or off, neurons fire in any direction, creating pathways
The worst thing to me about AI is while needing less people than actual created work, someone still needs to post it. Someone had to watch the Twilight documentary, and give it to Amazon. A human being, if not multiple, sat down and said "This is good enough for people to watch. It's insulting. People who use AI think you deserve to see that slop. At least jingling keys in my face would imply I'm a human being who responds to stimuli. AI says "This idiot doesn't even know what a face is supposed to look like."
Idk about watching it (they could just render and post without checking), but you're right in that it is absolutely insulting that they put it out with the intent of it being watched and capitalized on (otherwise what would be the point of posting and selling?) and that's just depressing, because it's gotta mean SOMEONE is watching and paying.
This is kind of why I've always been against the "I enjoy it ironically" and "guilty pleasure" conversation, the takeaways content producers (very deliberately not using the word "artist" here) see in it are "we can make low effort shit and still turn in a profit."
It's entirely ok to enjoy B movies/trashy stuff, but I think we should at least put in the effort to articulate and investigate WHY those appeal to us instead of dumbing it down to "so bad lol"
Are you sure about that? Amazon marketplace doesn't have an API? I'd be somewhat surprised if that is the case actually. I suspect the whole process could be automated, a system that just churns out "content" and puts it up for sale for you.
Umm excuse me but I’ve been one of those people that has been force into listen to AI stuff because my bosss didn’t want to pay someone voice lines. I thinks it crap but my boss doesn’t! It’s not me 😅 but I need to pay my rent. lol. Please blame the CEO! They get to on vacation while I struggle to buy dog food.
Maybe I'm just an uninformed commie, but isn't one of the points of automation that consumption also becomes irrelevant and unnecessary?
AI doesn't even "say", it just dumps it out there with no awareness of its quality.
11:41 an evil chocolate maker, isn't that Nestlé?
Is there really a “good” chocolate maker?
That got a chuckle out of me
It's pretty much every chocolate maker currently operating, the chocolate supply chain is maintained almost entirely by slavery, child labour and human trafficking
@@kirabad-artist6532 am i just naive or isn't "Tony's Chocolonely" legit? also they're in europe
Mr Beast @@kirabad-artist6532
Ill start believing AI has some level of intelligence when I'm no longer able to gaslight it into saying that Donald Trump is the main villain of Avatar The Last Airbender
If the AI doesn't say bite my shining metal ass then what's the point
"You know folks, I don't like the Earth Kingdom. I don't trust it one bit. You know, King Sleepy Joe over here lets a *bear* run his country? Not a gopher bear, not a platypus bear, not even an armadillo bear. Just a total freak of nature. At least the country's patriots in the Dai Li are doing what they can, fighting for freedom against the commies in Ba Sing Se. And folks, this is why I, Fire Lord Donald Trump, am declaring myself the Phoenix King. Yes, you heard that right, *Phoenix. King.* Write that down, to take what rightfully belongs to the Fire Nation people. Make the Fire Nation Great Again!"
Problem is how easy it is to get a conscious human being to say something similarly stupid
"I got this chatbot to say a thing, I beat the system!"
You are the customer. You are the person still buying into the idea that this is a real intelligence and not a fancy word generator.
@@gianlucamattos8684It will, and then you giggle. That is the point. It is sad to see so many people watch a video like this and still completely miss the point that repeating things other people have written is the only thing it does.
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If anything, I hope this whole situation has increased general awareness of the 'stink' of AI. The weirdly desaturated blurriness nobody would add on purpose, the confused lighting that's simultaneously too detailed and complete nonsense, and that's not even mentioning the 'Pasadise of teats'...
If a company is happy to cut corners in marketing, maybe don't trust an event they're running for children.
there's plenty of beautiful "paintings" made by ai beyond the memeable examples of it failing harshly. It really is a losing battle when it comes to "quality" in the way you are protraying it. In that regard, photography killed art before, so did digital art, and now ai will become the epitome.
Thing is, artistic value has never been (or shouldn't be) perceived as that reach for perfection in color theory, composition, etc, all measurable things btw and again, it is indeed a losing battle with ai. Value has and always will be there in the human factor of "human creation". Ai will for sure replace the things nobody was doing out of passion in the first place, let's be real, like most ads. but art or passion projects will always exist with their unique human flaws and strengths.
@@magical571 'natural arts' may end up being worth more, so that's nice I guess
@@Beardqt If AI doesnt cost more because of the resources it takes to make drawings... Capitalist is fair money until you dont want to pay more
The problem is, pointing out the "flaws" of AI is only a temporary argument. Those flaws can and eventually _will_ be ironed out. You can't make that argument forever.
That said, I think a better argument against AI art is saying that it has no meaningful process. The process - aka, the act of creating the piece - is itself, a crucial part of what makes art... art. Even photography requires setting up lighting, adjusting angles, choosing location and framing, etc. That is the fundamentally human part of art that AI can't replicate. The struggle of creating. AI is a machine, and therefore does not struggle nor feel anything while "creating" its piece.
All it knows are values and data points people have attributed to _finished_ products. But you can't quantify the emotion that went into a piece, or put the emotional struggles of a starving artist into a data chart - it just doesn't work that way. _That_ is what separates human art from AI.
The only way I'll ever admit that a machine has made something that could genuinely become art, is if we advanced robot technology to the point where they can unarguably think for themselves. If, then, a robot _decides_ on its own to create art - and instead of browsing data files on what "art" means, sought inspiration from the world around it - _then_ I could say that an AI has truly created art. And that would be pretty amazing, honestly! However, we're quite a ways off from that kind of artificial sentience - if it's even possible - and even if we had it, I bet companies would still resort to using "cheap" soulless AI.
@@bugjams Also feeding AI into AI causes the quality of the thing to _RAPIDLY_ degrade and like the more they try to replace artists with machines the shittier the machines will get at replacing artists
"crowds of enraged Glasweigians". i realize i'm a simple yank, but i know enough to know how utterly terrifying that sentence is under ANY context...
Canadian, and I thought the same thing.
Yes, I expected knife crimes and property damage.
@@nataschavisser573
Never heard of a Glasgow Smile?
@@emisformaker i was thinking, not yet having watched whatever promted this of queasy quebois, or terrifying torontoans, a valhala of vancouverites, and certainly angry albertans... you know whee i'm from, dincha catch the self-assured casual arrogance. see you in november when you find yourselves in need of a good wall
“so in a way, this is democracy” immediately followed by jack clearly rethinking the virtues of democracy was pretty great
Reminds me of that video of the Indian guy saying “democracy is by the people, of the people, and for the people… but the people are ret*arded.”
That feeling is a part of why I’ve mostly fallen out of the left-wing content space. Because if garbage like that AI “documentary” is democracy, then I’m a fascist.
Jack saint 5 years away from killing the younglings
Maybe you shouldn't let weird AI-bros sales-pitches dictate your understanding of the political systems they meaninglessly invoke?
@@victorycry8849 Same here. I am definitely not authoritarian, but I am unable to trust that democracy will produce positive outcomes without an unimaginably large amount of radical changes to society first.
This feels like a liminal space because of how empty it is. I feel sorry for the poor people who paid $40 for this lol.
And worse for the kids, especially those will form some sort of core memory of this.
@@candiedskull9841 Yeah, I feel really, really bad for them. Some started crying, no doubt they'll remember this and feel bad about what could've been.
This whole incident is disgusting, who will think of the children!!! But, like, actually!!!!
@@cryforhelp7270for once when someone is saying, “think of the children,” it is genuinely with the children in mind
They got a refund while the actors didn't get paid...
The whole event is just crappy@@uniquename6925
At some point the level of disappointment gives it enough emotional impact to be considered art.
If this had been sold to adults as a piece of performance art, I think it would've been a hit.
@@cedricappleby2006The fact that it was made for kids makes it art.
@@cedricappleby2006we already did that, it was called DashCon
AI can't create art. It's human element which transformed AI hallucinations into ✨experience ✨. The obviously miserable actors, the crying children, the Unknown One, police force. Beautiful
Anyone who asks for money from an AI generated piece of media should be laughed at.
And anyone who pays for it knowing it's AI should be designated a clown for an entire week,
Kickstarter DnD content is full of this slog. Drives me nuts
@@Eerieversibleany DND content is, it's horrible. I've been looking for an amateur artist to commission some character portraits because I simply don't trust all the good artists with cheap prices. And god forbid you want to find a character generator, just give me something like heroforge or a piccrew I don't need a super tailored AI powered experience for god's sake.
thoughts on jon rafman?
@@codemonster8443 Year*... Decades rather... in front of their own grandchildrens who will be more tech savvy than us could ever be
14:39 hearing the name “Shad” alongside discussions of art had me on High Alert but I’m glad it turned out to just be the anti-Peach-Pants jousting guy
Thank god I was worried he’d broken out of prison for a second
Oh it’s not That Guy, thank god
Wait who's shad, is it like that shady dude in the video who just abuses AI to make mindless corporate slop??
Shadiversity @@headwreak1768
@@headwreak1768 shadman/shadbase is an infamous porn artist who got in hot water for drawing porn of keemstars underaged daughter amongst many other things
This is exactly why so many people are cynical about AI. There will always be airheads trying to turn a quick buck for as little effort as possible, naturally they're drooling over AI tech as the next big money-printing scheme ... There are people trying to AI generate entire books, films, video games, all we can really do is try to stay wise to them as they come along. Trying to AI-generate an actual brick-and-mortar event though, that takes a special level of audacity.
Ai is so sterilized yet chaotic. It’s like some souless CEO’s art piece and I despise this being our future.
The fact that the script has places for the audience reactions is wild. This thing thought it was writing a sitcom.
I don't know if this is the final boss of the content-ification of online video, but it certainly feels like we're getting close. Just AI vomited up garbage to appeal to nobody but to just fill up harddrives of servers somewhere to wait for anyone unfortunate enough to have it get filtered into their feed.
bit harsh, i thought jack did a pretty good job
That's my experience with UA-cam shorts. There're great creators out there who get pushed out by AI generated manure. Wait, manure actually as some value. It's AI generated waste
This is nowhere close to the final boss. If you go digging a little you will find a seemingly endless supply of minimal effort AI generated "science" and "history" content. All absurdly sensationalized and clickbaity, and often catering to conspiracy theory enthusiasts. The scary part being that there are a few people who swallow that shit whole. Sure, it's comically janky and unconvincing now, but in 10 years...
The only thing that gives me hope is that ultimately, humans just prefer to engage with things that other humans created. Currently AI-driven content seems to be gaining traction, but I think part of that is because it's still new and novel.
People will watch AI content to "see what it's like" or because they're curious about how good it's getting and they want to watch it progress. But eventually, it will be so common that things will settle down and humans will be actively looking for human-made content again.
For example, if Hollywood released "the world's first AI movie, completely written and produced by AI" it would make loads of money. People would be curious to see it and if it was bad people would watch it to laugh and make memes. But after that, who's guna care? No one wants to watch meaningless art made by something that doesn't care about what it produces. I want to see someone's passion project 🥰
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495AI toxic waste runoff. AI bong water.
"Once, Men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would free them.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."
Fuck me, Shad being an advocate for AI art is hilarious, given what his brother does for a living…
Shad will never ask his younger brother for art instruction. Every time Shad acquires a little bit of knowledge on a subject, he assumes that makes him an irrefutable expert, whether it's on art, fiction writing, medieval history, or swordsmanship. The same thing happens when he approaches media analysis or politics.
@banquetoftheleviathan1404 nah, the kind that involves a long plastic glove
he def has an inferiority complex.
Uhhh Jazza (shad's brother) deadass uses AI plagiarism in his art studio because he doesn't want to hire a concept artist or collect reference images. He's not much better lol.
@@DragoonBoom I mean, it's just concept art, by definition its meant to be unfinished and changed in the final product. compared to other commercial uses, this is relatively harmless.
also, as long as its not a big animation studio, I don't really see the harm in this cost cutting measure.
AI itself isn’t even the problem, the problem is the tech bros that make it and the incentives of capitalism. Open-minded people would find ethical and interesting uses of this stuff if those factors were out of the equation, and still will with them. But it doesn’t matter, because the people in power already don’t respect artists and/or quality, and just care about the return on investment from shitting out slop. They want to replace people. They want to degrade human culture to be as shallow as possible since it’s the safest way to make a profit. Nothing good will come of AI until the system is reworked and the soulless are out of the picture.
I think the problem is more specifically consumerism, but yeah this is basically it.
yeah pretty much. The thing that keeps sticking with me throughout these discussions is that everything everybody is complaining about was already happening. Capitalism was already treating artists like AI's and shoveling out blurry horrifying reimaginings of our beloved childhoods well before machine learning took the wheel.
@@bekkayya 100%. AI is just an easy scapegoat for not having to deal with our fucked society. When you paint AI like a boogeyman, it's really easy to blame it for all the issues arising around it. We're just too up our own asses, to realize that we're the problem. Developing AI technology ethically has always been an option, we've just collectively chosen "fuck that, let's print money" because that's how humanity is apparently.
@@Kwauhn. That's how modern cultures under capitalism are, not how "humanity" is
AI *does* have some legitimate use cases that aren't just "create endless amounts of content slop." In the scientific field, it can be very useful for compiling/summarizing data, and it's pretty decent for translation (though it still very much needs human oversight, like any machine translation.)
But like you said, all this shitty AI-generated content is the easiest way to exploit AI for a profit in the short term, despite being an absolute copyright *nightmare,* and so it's the only use case giant soulless corporations care about. Which is really, really sad.
its so sad to me that theres so much focus on ai replacing art and artists, like if we use that shit at all it should be for boring ass number crunching. idk im exhausted doing my pointless ass job instead of art and ai fucking sucks
We should be really careful about those too. We are headed towards some catastrophic breaking points by entrusting so many things in the hands of a few programs. The moment one of those things fail it can affect thousands quite easily and be hard to catch, and then nobody takes responsability because "its what the program said". All while taking people's jobs.
I mean, I found an "ai photography exhibition" at my city the other day, you had to pay to enter too.
Pretty sad.
What the hell is an ”ai photography”, an ai image with the prompt ”photograph”?
Why would I go to an art exhibition filled with slop I could prompt myself?
@Zoulstorm
Im confused too. You can go to an image AI, give it some prompts. *poof* It is "an art". Soulless, empty an art. But, apparently people with dreams of being an artist and no talent can "make art" and "have shows".
By entering prompts into a box.
...
God the human race is doomed.
....The AI had to take the photos itself right? RIGHT??? How is that even considered photography otherwise?
@@ps1hagrid786 it was just images from prompts
it’s kind of sad thinking about the extinction of ‘bad art’ as a subgenre. often the thing that makes movies like The Room, Birdemic etc. fun and entertaining are the choices the movie makes, and what those choices can tell you about the directing, the production, the actors, etc. AI by its very nature will always make the safest, blandest choice imaginable. It’s truly a system made solely for generating slop.
When they showed the bad animation at the beginning, I kept thinking of the early, terrible CD-i games that fueled hundreds of youtube poops. There's just something different between a bad AI-generated animation and the terrible cutscenes from Zelda Faces of Evil.
Plus you need bad art to appreciate good art
This is why people watched "Who Killed Captain Alex" while Disney wasted 500 millions on live action movies their cult couldn't even paid back.
16:09 my Internet cut out about here and I thought Jack was just dumbfounded into silence for a full minute before I realized what happened
When I was a kid, I read and reread a book called "Invitation to the Game" by Monica Hughes. It was a short sci-fi book, set in a dystopia where the vast majority of jobs were done by machines and the overwhelming numbers of unemployed people are barely supported. The ending was optimistic for the protagonists, and I won't spoil it, but one thing it does comment on was that it was easier for the government to get rid of the unemployed people than the robots. That idea has stuck with me for years, and seems very relevant in the face of this new wave of AI automation.
I did not know that Amazon did AI documentaries and now I'm even more disappointed for the future
Iz coming......😢
I don't think Amazon "did" an AI documentary, they just let pretty much anybody upload whatever movie they make to Amazon Prime. There's some good stuff on Prime, but it is also full of garbage because Amazon basically has no standards for what goes on there. It seems sadly inevitable that AI generated trash would make it's way to Amazon
@@sacvideo1998 one fc
This is some cyber‑punk dystopian shite, alright.
The relationship between Squall and Rinoa has been criticized for its unhealthy nature and lack of communication.
FFVIII reference? I'm either too early into this video to get the reference or you are my people
Nevermind just got to the correct bit
I'm almost 50, and I have almost lost all hope. It's the fact that you and other younglings are on the case, it keeps me alive.
This world is fucking wrong. It's not too late to change it.
I weep for the young, having to grow up into this world we are creating. I hope the retribution Will be swift for the responsible
I'm only 23 and I can't even imagine what the digital age is doing to the minds of children. We live in a time where boredom is a rarity, constantly stimulated by some variation of audio-visual content and bombarded with an overwhelming amount of information on the daily. Reading at the very least doesn't involve the relentless buzzing in our brains and encourages the use of imagination. Creativity thrives when consumption is limited. However, we've grown so impatient to the point of not wanting to even perform a simple google search. We crave instant results without the effort. Unfortunately, this comfortable passivity is to our detriment. Why, I used to be able to read books as a child, whereas as an adult I can't even retain information given in the span of 5 seconds.
What's funny about statements like this is that crime and every other bad metric is actually objectively down and decreases every year. We're just becoming more aware and more consumerized. The bad that we feel now is because we realize we are being treated as data points for people to sell things. Capitalism in its purest form is an enemy just like socialism in its purest form.
Everything has been locked in since 45
I, for one, am thankful that Jack is making so many videos about Wonka themed disasters.
It lets us hear him say “Wonker” 100x per video. And that’s just great.
A lot of this AI is just being used to create more content. Content, much like plastic, will become so abundant that it'll show up absolutely everywhere and be impossible to get rid of.
Jack Saints has become the go to Wonka expert
I wanna do a Dune experience where I get a bunch of people to pay to show up to a construction site over the weekend, and then chase a Paul Atreides cosplayer around a pile of sand in a modified burrito costume made to resemble a worm while screaming "I CONTROLS THE SPICE! I CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE!"
As a dune fan, I'd leave feeling like I got my money's worth.
The paper was LSD wasn't it? And then when you're tripping on the LSD this looks like a cool event space!
I feel bad for the parents and kids who were disappointed by the Wonka stuff, but I dont understand how you could see the ads for it and think it was legit 😭 like get some awareness people
I watch my dad consume the worse content mill joke channels i've ever seen and he thinks they're good, there is no hope for the future
AI absolutely has a place in a positive future, like that one person who developped an AI to detect ASL signs and dictate them. That's amazing. But with who is currently in charge of AIs there's no chance of that happening whatsoever. We're just going to go into technoslavery
Yes, all the "AI can detect cancer in advance" stuff like that, doesn't mean anything ultimately as the devastation AI will cause will dwarf all the potentially positives of AI. Only an imbecile doesn't see it or an industrialist trying to gaslight everyone.
I've read some interesting potential uses in it helping to decipher ancient languages like Linear A.
My biggest worry is what happens when AI has to start making money, 154 billion has already been invested and the power to run is enormous. What happens when we have to pay the actual cost, it's going to be incredibly expensive and it'll have driven out all alternatives. Not to mention the limit data set there is less and less for it to train on therefore it is going to get more and more generic meaning a worse product for more money will be required. Just like all these other Blitzscaling companies the inshitification of the service.
There's already subscription services for AI, if that's what you're asking?
@@cryforhelp7270 they are heavily subsidised
£29.99 per month?
@@cryforhelp7270 although heavily subsidised at the moment
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs that's when heavily subsidised
I just can imagine what will happen in coming years as companies continue to strangle actual creatives forcing the AI to start "learning" from itself, we will literally have a slowly worsening quality image like if it was printing a print because the human input that made it work will have disappeared
That’s one of my friends big arguments about how it won’t work out if it’s used in the way it currently is. AI has already started doing that to some degree
@@joelandersmith2735 yeah, I know, I am not against AI, I think it has its uses, but the way companies see it currently as some sort of quick way to cut costs will just lead to it going down the gutter in quality in due time
@@Solstice261 AI has managed to turn Dead Internet Theory from a fringe conspiracy to basically fact lol
I feel bad for the kids who went to the wonka thing but im glad it blew up over the internet so much and became so mainstream that thry had to refund people and just showed how things marketed with ai are in fact bad
I don't see AI ever replacing creators. Robot slop is robot slop, people who actually care won't just indulge in generic ✨stuff✨, whether it be art, commentary, or **event planning**
Amazon had no choice but to use A.I. to make that documentary. They tried to find a human being who was willing to do it....but none could be found.
Sobek mentioned!!!!!
May His Creamy Lord Bless Us All With His 2nd Coming
Wild to think that, in the future, certain AI versions are going to be hunted down and restored for people who are currently 7 years old and will have nostalgia for them. "AI was better back in my day"
I've told people that they shouldn't get they hopes up for the future of AI or VR because it will probably go down the same path as TV, the internet, or streaming.
What I mean by that is that all of those tech were once seen as the savior of X and/or going to enter us into a new positive future. EG TV was though of being an educated tool that would help educate people, back when it 1st came out. Although there has been great tv shows that weren't educational, let's just say that there's a reason why "idiot box" became a slang for TV. The internet back when it 1st started was a wild west of creativity and people being free to post almost whatever they wanted. Now it's just filled with ads and big tech companies cracking down on content to make it more advertiser-friendly. And lastly, streaming was once seen as the savior of entertainment; only for it to become Cable 2.0.
So yeah get ready for Gen Alpha to say "AI was better in my day" in the future.
Nostalgia for a thing only works if the thing has some merits in the first place. People don't feel nostalgic for Ponzi schemes.
"No guys you don't understand, machine learning (which I insist on calling AI even though it isn't) will get better with time! You have to INVEST now in this DISRUPTIVE technology! This will be the FUTURE of ART!"
People will do literally anything except respect artists.
As an artist, please stop. Ai learns from other people's work by pattern-matching, just like us. My ability to make coherent art was also pretty bad when I was the age of those algorithms. Also pretty sure it's going to actually develop sentience in a few years, and I really don't know what your crowd would do then.
i mean, it will eat nutritionists alive lol, since an ai being fed your bmi and quirks like celiac disease can give you an almost perfectly personalized dietary intake and suggestions. and plenty of other careers even more so than art are affected by this. in the medical area, if someone can just take your blood sample and correlate it to millions of prior results they could just give you an estimated diagnosis (which they already do, you can see the frames of references for each measurement. at this point i just go to the doctor with the results for what i already know i have, because you need his signature, let's be real. Only more complicated issues like surgery remain in need of the actual presence of your doctor. i know, plenty of people will get defensive about this). And many doctors do not even see you in person anymore with the grow of tele-medicine as they call it. i mean, it has already absolutely replaced customer service and secretaries. And it will continue swallowing jobs like that. i don't think we should try and compete or try to prove ourselves against the quality or lack there of of AI. That is a losing battle. again, jack forebodingly mentions how it will improve, and maybe at some point we won't be easily able to spot the difference. It becomes at that point an onthological question, if it's identical but it's made by an ai rather than a human how do we measure it's value? is it affected? i think it's a fundamentally flawed approach, since the human experience has never been about perfection. any car can outrun an athelete, yet we still value the olympics. it may sound obvious, but people overlook it. Technology has to do with efficiency and accesibility, not any higher or more subjective value and respect. People do not respect a car. This discussion was already there when photograpfy became popular, and then digital art, and now ai. i want to go all the way so we can at some point finally have this sorted out. So people can come to terms about the superiority in terms of "perfectionism" or eficciency when it comes to anything digital. When that becomes bsolutely obvious, there will be no need for comparison and a sort of "battle" between ai and human authors. Human creations will still shine on theor own terms, and in a way be freed from having to be trapped in the prison that is having to apease to the standards digitally created content pushes (as it moves forward, a regular human won't be able to keep up in that way, so it becomes obvious there is something else to aim for, just how nobody expects a runner to beat a car in terms of speed)
I know plenty of people will get mad at what i'm saying, but even jack is sort of aware of this when he talks about the fear of the unkown, of us becoming irrelevant. We are, and we will, not just artists or writers. in a way, any number or "fact" related areas will become even more irrelevant since memorizing and applying data already has lost plenty of it's value, it's just a matter of time: Only investigative work holds the same if not more value as before as ai cannot "discover" what hasn't been fed intot he system already.
And i'm saying all this as someone who values human creation and is a proffessional artist herself. But i'm not blind. What is coming is unavoidable. And it will be awful, though it has the potential to be great. see, in a perfect world if people aren't forced to forcibely monetize 16 hours of their day no matter what in any way posible, ai or machines replacing them isn't an issue; let's be real here, even among some more highly regarded careers there's people who openly got there not because they loved the job but because they needed money (no shade, veryone needs to eat and right now you monetize or you die, no way around it). And that is even more true of lesser paying jobs like a factory line employees. idealy you wouldn't have to push people into those jobs to keep our means of production and survival going, humans would be able to dedicate more time to their real interests.
But we all know greed is just gonna leave more people homeless or with more excrutiating working hours trying to compete with the efficiency of ai, or forced to be the just an "ai manager" if you will, efffectively rendering the ai as the boss and the human as a sidenote to give a green check or give some basic initial input.
But hey, the potential is there. I would like for meaningless jobs to just be handled by ai and machines rather than humans who just need to survive and would much rather be with their families and improving their health or skills. i wouldn't be offended if a robot gave me my sandwich at a subway, just inputing the ingredients and walking away with the product. It would require a radical change in how we see and apply our economy and social systems.
@@tamarbeker1701 Who told you their calculator was going to be sentient in a few years? Was it perhaps... the guy selling the calculators? You are a fool, a doofus even. Dare I say, a nincompoop.
@@magical571 I ain't reading all that, I'm gonna assume it was an impassioned speech about the glorious potential of machine learning. Please understand that we all heard speeches of this same type about NFTs, and those didn't last very long either.
@@magical571That sure was a whole lot of fuck-all just to say, "I think I know better than doctors so why can't a brainless computer give me a scrip?"
The "free-associative" novels of the Surrealists like Phillipe Soupault and Andre Breton's _Soluble Fish_ is maybe my favorite predecessor for the "bad art as good art" archetype. (It wasn't truly written as free association, as I learned one day when a literature professor managed to get me and a few other dumb dumbs to produce similarly bizarre output by prompting us to incrementally increase our editorial thoughts while still writing really quickly.)
Ai is a tool, which is why cooperations suck ass at using it. For them, their employees are the tools. Little do they know… people aren’t robots.
I hate that AI stock photos are a thing now too. I was looking for some art to license for the nonprofit I run, but most of the hits I got back were AI. I didn’t even know that was legal.
the AI take over will be an issue until society starts using UBI programs. As someone who studied graphic design for YEARS of my life and worked through college for my degree, it feels awful knowing I will likely be replaced besides side jobs. I will never be able to make a career out of what I enjoy doing like I had hoped. Instead I will just have it as a hobby I can sometimes make money with.
That was already the reality for the majority of artists. It's just being a bit exasperated by AI tech and broadcasted for the world to see.
But how will giant corporations incentivise artists to work in Amazon fulfilment centres doing menial labour if they get paid a living wage regardless?
The problem with AI is basically capitalism itself
More specifically consumerism
@@cosmicspacething3474 partially, moast of the fault is of the Compannies that half hazertly created the tech and released It with out thinking on what would happen, eat the rich is what i am saying
@@AmyStrikesBack So consumerism is really both the problem *and* the solution.
19:08 I agree especially when you look at how much money has been spent on AI over $154 billion and counting. It has to stay there is so much at stake, not for humanity, but for the pockets of the investors.
We still have the chance to not spend money on it, and let them crash. Remember what happened with the metaverse? Zuck lost a whole lot of money
This isnt the triforce of wisdom, but it's... Something.
It's sad that we basically have the technlogy to turn the internet into the _Star Trek_ Computer if it wasn't for corpo's chasing the line.
10:38 “SOBEK MENTION” is so funny to me.
Wow thank you for sharing about this situation in Glasgow. I posted it now here. It didn’t get a huge amount of US coverage so I didn’t really understand what happened. Note that in the US, these acts would form a federal crime for WIRE FRAUD (because they used the internet to deceive & took money online), so these crooks would face stiff penalties including monetary damages & jail time.
I know $20 is $20, but at a certain point, there’s more dignified ways to make money than working on an AI generated production.
Capitalism doesn't reward dignity.
Let me know which medical providers accept dignity as payment
On god, at least scam people the old fashioned way lol put some flavor into it
Well, I'm not gay but $20 is $20
@@Devininity 0 but society is what we make of it, keep that in mind
I think the wonka experience is a microcosm of what "AI" is it promises an emersive experience, something life changing. But in reality it's a word calculator, 154 billion has been spent on AI so far and that's what we get and they are running out of data to improve it upon.
The "Look at you hacker" made me twitch. System Shock might have damaged my brain.
The sad truth is that AI will eventually take virtually every job we have. It won't be within our lifetimes most likely, but eventually these learning algorithms will be given bodies and taught how to effectively do manual labor.
The problem here isn't AI, even though it is the biggest symptom. The problem is that society values people based on their ability to provide a service or perform some kind of labor. The unnerving question that I feel like everyone has in the back of our minds lately is "What value do I have once my job is gone"?
One big issue I also see, with the AI art, is that even if we were given a salary and we didnt need to produce art to live... I still wouldn't want AI art to exist. It steals from artists and then invisibilizes us, it fills the internet with trash content and devalues what I feel is an uniquely human experience by presenting a hollow blended copy of it. And then there's all the scams and extremely malicious uses of it.
AI content generation is horrible beyond job erasure.
At the pace these changes occur, I'm definitely scared and angry. Time to go take a walk in the woods.
I think you described it best honesly, it just worthless.
There's no value to take out of it
the series has been criticized for its unheathy aspects
the series had been criticized for its unhealthy dynamics
uh-oh, the AI needs to turn in the book report tomorrow, and they didnt read the book! 😂
the fact that ai can be used for works of art that lean into the non-human aspect of its creation to make truly stunning abstract or conceptual pieces, but instead is used for cheap slop like an ai documentary or the wonka experience… where did we go wrong as a species 🤦♂️
I think AI is the next step in digital art, but greedy grifters are going around and using it to make nonsense like this. I also don't understand AI novels, like the only thing that I could see it being useful for is someone who has Aphantasia, and can't come up with something on their own. (That's like maybe a page at most)
Money make other ape man move rock, money good
Dan Brown isn't writing any more novels. His fans want something to read. But would a mystery style book written by AI make any sense? Would the actions of the twist villain make sense in hindsight? Would the clues add up?
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs well, just how non-verbal language in the form of images has gottent steadily refined by ai, so has and will written content. It lags behind for sure, but it will be there eventually. And plenty of novels already are basically human made filler, so i can absolutely see ai made content replacing or "enhancing" those. IT will never change the fact that passion, human made projects exist of course.
@@magical571A computer-generated book will never have a clever twist because it is fundamentally incapable of understanding concepts of drama or suspense. If you ever manage to feel some small amount of surprise from what an algorithm has regurgitated unto you, it will be purely through coincidence rather than by insightful, intelligent design.
Fortunately this is the first UA-cam video I’ve ever seen so I didn’t know anything about the AI Willy’s Chocolate Experience. Unfortunately this means I’ve also never heard about VPNs before either, so you owe me $1000 USD.
oh no
my climate anxiety has been replaced by AI anxiety and it's somehow worse
What about combining them? For example, did you know that AI training needs a lot... really a lot of fresh water?
I have both
@@untizio7125yeah don't remind me, the energy and resource consumption needed for AI and NFTs is... sigh
It's significantly less of a problem than climate change though.
I was laughing hard throughout this video despite the serious topic, Jack's humor is so perfect for me
i've been subscribed for a long time but the recent vids have been especially good !!! this is becoming one of my favorite channels
I find it funny that the videos sound exactly like content farms, which for who knows why reason have millions of subscribers
Someone alert Hbomb!
This guy's badmouthing SOBEK
Pretty soon Garth Marenghi won't be one of the only authors who's "written" more books than they've read.
As a full time artist I don’t get to have an opinion or weigh in on this anymore since funny “haha he biased luddite” but general speaking I’m no longer concerned about my own position and ability to feed myself, the entirety of our species is cosmically fucked if we’re too stupid to pass the skill check on the worlds most gimmicky technology since Silicon Valley’s last hits like crypto, or sticking wifi and Bluetooth and a companion app into every home appliance and calling it smart.
Now that I type that it seems quite analogous. We had to label something with ‘smart’ in the way we label something with ‘ai’ now. There was nothing smart about adding 7 extra steps to your coffee maker while adding 30 additional points of failure just so you could push a button on your phone and make it brew, cryptocurrency can hardly be considered currency when you can’t spend it anywhere aside from losing it to a 20 year old on a pump and dump, and all ai technology at this point is a bit of a misnomer when none of it is marginally different from the predictive text you’ve had on your phone for a decade, then beauty of an unthinking, unconvincing, unknowing ‘intelligence’ getting answers taken at face value like a digital magic 8 ball by people too dumb to use their own ability to reason.
I truly cannot wait for when our children curse our names for wasting humanity’s last breath on useless gimmick technology for Google and Microsoft rather than giving an earnest attempt to fixing our dysfunctional relationship with population and sustainability. Source? Just trust me the technology gets better bro.
The biggest issue with current "AI" is also that it is a jack of all trades master of non, over $154 billion has been invested and when you look at what it's capable of. It does make you wonder what about if the money was just invested in specialised software and hardware for those specific tasks, how much better would those be and how much money could have been invested elsewherr like in green tech, 50 billion, 100 billion, probably much more than that with the current capabilities. The issue is that would reduce the hope these companies have for a future monopoly, now that is scary in of itself they have to make over 154 billion back and they'll find a way for us to pay for it.
It's not really a "Jack of all trades" so much as it is "laundered tracing but even lazier".
I'm going to be watching The Apprentice on BBC tonight and I can bet next year Lord Sugars will be calling them all bloody muppets because they've lost 'im money on an AI task.
The android reads an AI generated book from their bedside tablet, goes into sleep mode and may or may not proceed to dream of electric sheep.
im watching this at breakfast. Say hi to my food
Breakfast at this time of day
hi to my food
howdy, food!
EDIT: or howdy chowdy?
high food, i'm hi
Whoa, Elemental video in the future? We're eating good out here.
That Shad and Jazza clip never fails to fascinate me. Shad is one of the guys of all time.
Unfortunately I think you're right about AI being here to stay.
The technology is only going to improve over time. It will become harder and harder to differentiate over time as the programs improve. And there is a monetary incentive to get cheap AI produced stuff over paying professionals.
Even putting aside the march of technology, with AI art specifically you have people that like their AI art. They don't care if the fingers are mangled or the hair blends into the clothing or there's something off about the eyes, as long as they have their big boobs and hourglass figures. (I think it's very telling that Shad's example was of big boob supergirl art in skin tight costume. Not all AI art is about sexy waifu art but a not inconsiderable amount of it is.)
NFTs meanwhile never had any value outside of hoping you can get someone else to buy it for more than you did. They were collectors items but without the actual physical item.
Giving AI a chance to speak for itself is a nice change of pace and sets a good precedent for when Will Smith is inevitibly out there trying to police the robots
If art is subjective then AI by definition can't make art
THANK YOU for the system shock 2 references and soundtracks
"In....sect...."
Generating a poster AND text with AI is wild. Sure, you're already unwilling to put in effort or pay artists when you generate the poster, but you can't even type a few fucking words? You could do that with editing software in five minutes! I know because I did it out of curiosity when my friend showed the poster to me lmao
scams always tend to go deeper, you don't just get a venue as a first time scam and call it a whoopsie dasy
Calling out Natalie, are we? Very dangerous. 😂
nah not dangerous, just funny, but I believe it was sarcastic, not like the video wasnt an excuse to approach talking about forms of love and feminism to fans of a mediocre piece of media lol
@@jplveiga apparently the "joy" icon isn't enough of a 'j/k' for some people, eh?
@@christineherrmann205 I'm fairly certain that emoji isn't exclusively used to con-notate irony.
@@beautifullights8484 and yet, anyone clued in enough could have probably figured it out
The thing that I think is missing in so many of these conversations regarding automation is that we can in fact regulate these mechanisms. In Hollywood workers used their union to halt the unethical use of AI. Technological applications are not inevitable and unstoppable, we can, and have in the past, regulate their use to monitor their impact and preserve human well being.
17:30 Don't worry, I will never get sick of laughing at the willy wonka fyre festival
4:33
23:06: "surprising accuracy", wow, that's a standard I'd definitely like to hold my lawyers to!
I enjoy the 1996 Mario movie U IRONICALLY it has THEMES and also man actors were drunk for the majority of filming because the director couple duo were apparently nightmares to work with
This shit is just vile. The only good thing ai has done is cause an airline to get sued and lose because their ai chat bot gave a customer incorrect information
Why is the Twilight documentary host...
Data's daughter Lal?!?
4:47 - "...in a way this is democracy." *__*
Laughed my ass off at this! 😆
The fact that the script has the audience reaction in it makes me laugh so hard
The way you present it makes for such an absurd, abyssal level of contrast between the AI garbage and the latest video on the same topic by ContraPoints.
I wish Shad was The Unknown.
Can't wait to hear your theory on the Nightmare Before Christmas. Something something, Jack Skellington is a reptilian overlord, etc.
Also I really really like that the Unknown is the villain of this video, I'm cackling over here
I hope the takeaway in the end about it is that people who think that AI art is the same as human art in any real way should go to hell forever. Like hope they end up in the sloth level. It's a nebulous concept that cannot be proven at the moment but that feels like how a lot of these corpo types view AI. Sure they're going to replace your job and leave you homeless, but woof, the profits!
I'm trying to get people to call it "machine generated visual content" because that's what it is. It's not AI, and it's not art.
@@PlatinumAltaria I'll definitely be using that form now on
As someone who automatically gets bored by knowing or wondering whether or not something is generative AI art, I have to disagree. People have different feelings about what matters with art. Some people feel like it's the same thing, and there isn't anything we can do about it. Art is extremely subjective, in my opinion, and if people personally value AI art as much, then so be it.
For me, AI art makes things seem boring and pointless if it's all I'm thinking of. I've been failing to brainwash myself into caring when people get an image by typing directions/commissioning a program (regardless of how long they took to edit their intermediate level phrases), and then maaaybe touching it up a bit after. What generative AI itself is capable of is cool, but the products feel like stale fast food already, lmao. Having them stuffed all into general media is boring.
@@CelsiusingSomeone who views computer-generated garble as the same thing as human art is fucked in the head and will inevitably fall off a cliff chasing a set of jangling keys.
Ok, maybe not sent to hell, but they definitely need to wake the hell up
Fortunately Contrapoints just released an actual 3 hours long video essay on the meaning and philosolhical depths of Twilight
I think Jack is starting beef with Natalie and Princess Weekes.
does she actually mention the mistreatment of the quileute tribe or completely ignore it like other white women on youtube
You be nice to that oompah loompah, she was the princess Diana of that event and deserves better.