PROOF Voldemort Was BORN Evil | Harry Potter Film Theory

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    Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to reveal how truly unsaveable and unredeemable Voldemort was - It’s not just that he became evil… its that he always was.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 894

  • @SuperCarlinBrothers
    @SuperCarlinBrothers  Рік тому +364

    I know I know... This is probably the hottest take we've ever posted in a video..

    • @coolnerdlll6053
      @coolnerdlll6053 Рік тому +40

      Next up on SCB:
      "Harry Can Use Magic | Harry Potter Theory"

    • @austingomez9630
      @austingomez9630 Рік тому +6

      Born evil, I thought he was born Motionless, and chose the path of evil

    • @OnePieceGuy55
      @OnePieceGuy55 Рік тому +3

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    • @myadoesrandomthings
      @myadoesrandomthings Рік тому +10

      Wheres part 2 of the petunia witch series! Im Hooked!

    • @OnePieceGuy55
      @OnePieceGuy55 Рік тому

      @@myadoesrandomthings GOOD MORNING, HOW ARE YOU?👋 I JUST FARTED 😂😂😂😂

  • @CruzingAroundTheBlock
    @CruzingAroundTheBlock Рік тому +876

    He's evil because he lost so many games of "Got Your Nose".

  • @Davidlyv1
    @Davidlyv1 Рік тому +244

    Whenever you use the Voldemort laugh clip, I chuckle. Especially since it reminds me of the time you gave him a mustache ... beautiful

    • @resathe6760
      @resathe6760 Рік тому +16

      the best video on the internet is the compilation of him laughing in the different languages of the synchronizations ;D

    • @arctrog
      @arctrog Рік тому +4

      where is the mustache voldemort

    • @ked49
      @ked49 Рік тому

      @@arctrog the video on asksaban or dementors, one of the three has it, and it is extremely funny

    • @arctrog
      @arctrog Рік тому

      @@ked49 in the video where they talk about why Azkaban uses dementors they give him a mustache (just watched it) but they didn’t have a clip of him laughing while using it so I didn’t laugh unfortunately. My humor is broken I think

  • @Tsudico
    @Tsudico Рік тому +44

    I wonder if being an Obscurial (possibly hybrid) is also why Voldemort was so interested in horcruxes. It was a way to extend his life that he learned might burn out earlier than others.

    • @hollywoodnoire
      @hollywoodnoire Місяць тому

      He is an obscurial which explains why he bonded with Nagini

  • @zacht678
    @zacht678 Рік тому +104

    I love this theory. Crazy how 7 books can be so detailed and compelling to create this much theory and creative thought.

  • @coolbrotherf127
    @coolbrotherf127 Рік тому +688

    It also explains why he can just fly around at times, it's him tapping into his obscurial power.

    • @gravewalker2452
      @gravewalker2452 Рік тому +41

      then how could snape fly tho

    • @tenochmorales9009
      @tenochmorales9009 Рік тому +58

      @@gravewalker2452 he's too badass

    • @JorgenKremer
      @JorgenKremer Рік тому +50

      @@gravewalker2452 Animagus....bat as his animal form. I think SCB has a video on it. Or he is an actual vampire. They do exist in the wizarding world.

    • @medichampion328
      @medichampion328 Рік тому +10

      Also I guess why he had a mist form when his body was destroyed trying to kill baby Harry.

    • @Buzterer
      @Buzterer Рік тому +5

      But he taught snape how

  • @satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185
    @satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185 Рік тому +561

    You know..no one ever really thinks about the full implications of the love potion but potentially years of Tom Riddle sr's life were wasted by a love potion, he was forced into marriage against his will and forced to have a child against his will and that last point is the sticking point for me, I mean it's basically r#pe what Merope did just to make Voldemort. How many times did she do that to him before she became pregnant? No wonder he abandoned them..

    • @kiminimuchu__
      @kiminimuchu__ Рік тому +203

      Yep. Put plainly, the guy was manipulated and abused, there's no way to pretend it's not true. What Merope did to him was horrific and it's no wonder he left the moment he was free.

    • @satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185
      @satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185 Рік тому +24

      @@kiminimuchu__ Agreed

    • @occheermommy
      @occheermommy Рік тому +96

      Yeah he was drugged and held hostage beyond his control basically

    • @waterlemon3885
      @waterlemon3885 Рік тому +88

      Kinda scary how someone so traumatized by her own abusive past can write something like this and treat it so nonchalantly just because the genders were reversed.

    • @PhilBagels
      @PhilBagels Рік тому +37

      Similar to what Wonder Woman did in WW'84.

  • @dramaturge231
    @dramaturge231 Рік тому +100

    I would argue that a love potion is evil in all cases. It’s like the Imperius Curse but also forcing unwanted feelings for the sake of another’s selfish desires.

    • @deanlawrence871
      @deanlawrence871 9 місяців тому

      I think he’s referring to the intention behind making it.

    • @dramaturge231
      @dramaturge231 9 місяців тому +6

      @@deanlawrence871 The intention is to force oneself upon another and alter their mind.

    • @FallenOne669
      @FallenOne669 8 місяців тому +4

      Love Potions and Crucio are the two worst things in the world.

  • @evanjuleen
    @evanjuleen Рік тому +81

    I think Voldemortes greatest weakness being his disregard for love is his most compelling characterist, maybe his only compelling one. He has never known nor put any faith in love. He doesn't believe in it and I love the concept of an evil born from the absense of love and a complete disregard for its value. I find it fascinating. Analyzing evil has a good review for it..

  • @alyssakays367
    @alyssakays367 Рік тому +90

    This would explain why there haven’t been more Voldemorts in history. I always found it odd that being conceived under the influence of a love potion was what made home evil. He can’t have been the only baby conceived in that fashion! But add in the obscuriol and it makes much more sense.

    • @TZGKIV
      @TZGKIV 8 місяців тому +5

      What if its just a mix of the potion leaving him unable to feel love (as is the rules of being born under the potion) and was influenced by his hate for muggles cuz his father abandoned them and his mother died worshipping him. Plus, he considered himself better than everyone when hes younger cuz of his magic, only to find out others in the world have it, but hes already got an ego. And then hes also OBSESSED with not dying.

  • @Cal-c-u-later
    @Cal-c-u-later Рік тому +200

    This is so great because it's a much rounder explanation than just "born without love". And it manages to expand on the uncomfortable connotations in the book (given the love potion and Merope's manipulation of Tom Sr.) making them seem far less awful.
    Great theory!

    • @resathe6760
      @resathe6760 Рік тому +13

      How does that theory make it any less awful what Merope did to Tom sr? Or is my grasp of the language just not good enough and you are saying this theory makes it more awful?

    • @Cal-c-u-later
      @Cal-c-u-later Рік тому +31

      @@resathe6760 it doesn't make her actions less awful, it makes the reasons for Voldemort being born evil less awful. In the book, his evilness is basically a product of his conception which is deeply problematic in itself. This theory adds the layers to it which means that the circumstances of Voldemort's existence isn't the thing that makes him evil, it's deeper than that.
      It was probably my lack of explanation that made it unclear, sorry.

    • @aumathewarriormouse2549
      @aumathewarriormouse2549 Рік тому +8

      @@Cal-c-u-later Nowhere in the book does it say that his conception made him evil. That is the result of bad Fannon assumption becoming pseudo canon and it distorts the actual story being told.

    • @satan3862
      @satan3862 Рік тому +3

      @@aumathewarriormouse2549 i think jk said that because he was concived in such a horrible way she thought he couldn't be good don't think it was ever in the books though

    • @aumathewarriormouse2549
      @aumathewarriormouse2549 Рік тому +4

      @@satan3862 She said the fact that he came from "a union generated and sustained by magic alone" was symbolic, not a cause and effect relationship. Voldemort could've been different, he had every opportunity to choose a different path like Harry, who after all had a similiar difficult childhood and didn't end up the same way. Hence the meaning of the name, "Riddle".

  • @jamespottersgf
    @jamespottersgf Рік тому +199

    Fully believe that Voldemort was caused by both nature and nurture

    • @OnePieceGuy55
      @OnePieceGuy55 Рік тому +5

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    • @Ranger1812
      @Ranger1812 Рік тому +18

      That's true. Tom Riddle was naturally predisposed to cruelty and never had the love of a family which could have nurtured him into a better person.

    • @blesskurunai9213
      @blesskurunai9213 Рік тому +17

      ​@@Ranger1812 I mean neither did Harry. I'd say Harry had much worse than Riddle because Harry was the one who was getting bullied as a child while Riddle was the bully

    • @Anonymous-xu2sf
      @Anonymous-xu2sf Рік тому +18

      @@blesskurunai9213 I actually find it interesting how Harry and Riddle had such similar yet different childhoods. Both of them were treated badly by Muggles growing up. But the big difference between them is that Harry had loving parents for the first year of his life and Riddle didn't. That first year is more important than you might think. In real life, some kids who were neglected or abused as babies became psychopaths because of how their brain developed due to the neglect and/or abuse

    • @headstanding_Penguin
      @headstanding_Penguin Рік тому +1

      Which would be the current consent of personality psychology...man I hate the textbook I have to read to this topic 🕳

  • @gyver8448
    @gyver8448 Рік тому +108

    Honestly I really hope this ends up being true. It's a much better and deeper explanation than just "his parents weren't in love/didn't love him".

    • @tell-me-a-story-
      @tell-me-a-story- Рік тому +4

      Yeah, because a lot of kids were born in loveless unions.
      I don’t think the author intended it, but it seems like it’s saying that if theyre’s no love, the child can’t love.

  • @TashieRags
    @TashieRags Рік тому +30

    That was strangely heartwarming. I needed that last bit especially.

  • @qBeYcarpet
    @qBeYcarpet Рік тому +24

    I've always though of him as an evil psychopath not so different from the ones in the real world can feel emotions and empathy or love any more than him. I never believed the love potion could be the only cause for him to be evil.

    • @MordechaiHershoffyoutube
      @MordechaiHershoffyoutube Рік тому +1

      Its not the love potion itself, its the fact that no one loved him, and his parents didn't love each other, he just never expirenced love, and his only offer to it was at his death duel when he was like 70.

    • @qBeYcarpet
      @qBeYcarpet Рік тому +4

      @@MordechaiHershoffyoutube i know, but many people think it's just simply the potion itself

  • @lanternprime4081
    @lanternprime4081 Рік тому +30

    In addition to this sound theory, i had a thought. I always kind of assumed that due to her very poor magical skills, merope somehow made a love potion that worked, but was flawed somehow. Essentially, magically castrating the love out of her unborn child. Just my #2knuts on the subject.

    • @crimsonwyvern7770
      @crimsonwyvern7770 Рік тому +4

      the flaw thing is reasonable, but the potion stripping voldemort of love doesn't make much sense, in my opinion, to successfully fail so perfectly that a (presumably) advanced potion works perfectly on it's intended recipient, but effects the child? that would be like concieving under a polyjuice potion, and having the offspring be able to replicate the effects(where they either become anyone if they ingest a piece of someone that would work for the original polyjuice potion, or they are a perfect physical duplicate of the person being mimicked by one of their parents), I don't think it is strictly impossible, but I think that for such a poor witch to do without other flaws in Tom Sr? It is is incredibly unlikely to the point where Crabb and Goyle would be more likely to brew a perfect truth potion in the beginning of their first year with just the basic textbook instructions on brewing, without even any reference guides to understand the instructions, so divine intervention.

    • @sternentigerkatze
      @sternentigerkatze 9 місяців тому +1

      @@crimsonwyvern7770 But maybe that's how the first metamorphmagi came to be 🤔

  • @aumathewarriormouse2549
    @aumathewarriormouse2549 Рік тому +13

    Amortentia has literally nothing to do with Voldemort being incapable of love. Slughorn's aside on it has to do more with people being desperate enough for love that they will do anything to attain it, even enslave others by a magic potion. This was even adressed in an interview with JKR. People always misinterpret this, Voldemort was *not made evil* by Amortentia.

  • @TrickstersTrickshots
    @TrickstersTrickshots Рік тому +75

    I've been loving this channel recently! Y'all make some amazing content and the effort you put into these is inspiring!

  • @staticradio724
    @staticradio724 Рік тому +14

    At the rate you guys are going, pretty soon everybody in the franchise is going to be an Obscurus 😂

  • @jnmsks6052
    @jnmsks6052 Рік тому +8

    All these years later, and the Voldie laugh clip still gets me every time. I guess it just won't stop being funny, like the screaming goats or sheep.

  • @captainspaulding5963
    @captainspaulding5963 Рік тому +31

    But, Voldy WAS the next great wizard, just happened to be great at the horrible side of things.

  • @MumboJ
    @MumboJ Рік тому +112

    Fascinating!
    It's always bothered me that the author basically said that children born of R*** were incapable of love.
    Not only does this explanation fix most of that, but the anti-repression message at the end was wonderful.
    Thank you so much SCB, you are the supers this community deserves! Xx

    • @thefish3103
      @thefish3103 Рік тому

      In the book it's more that children born of a love potion are incapable of love. Not really born of r***. I understand that the use of a love potion makes it r*** but it's not the r*** part that "unable" the ability of love.

    • @maksimilian528
      @maksimilian528 Рік тому +8

      She never said that children born from r*** are incapable of love. She said that Tom was born from a loveless union, which was a symbolic/metaphorical way of how he turned out. JKR said had Merope raised Tom, things would have been different.

    • @Alexthealright
      @Alexthealright Рік тому +3

      @@maksimilian528 I thought it was because of the love potion

    • @srccde
      @srccde Рік тому

      ​@@Alexthealright The love potion influenced only the turn of events leading to Tom's conception and birth. He wasn't born incapable of love but raised into it

  • @culturedsquid8442
    @culturedsquid8442 Рік тому +14

    Lets say, hypothetically, that Merope doesn't stop giving him love potions, or that Tom Riddle Sr. decides to stay for the child, and Tom Riddle Jr. is born... How would his life, and Harry's life go ?

    • @RyanYoxo
      @RyanYoxo Рік тому +1

      Probably the exact same
      He is the heir of slitherin after all, you know one of the hogwarts founders that wanted to exclude muggles and built a secret chamber with an 80ft snake

    • @culturedsquid8442
      @culturedsquid8442 Рік тому +4

      @@RyanYoxo First of all , the basilisk is 20ft long, second in this scenario he has someone to raise him who doesn't have pure blood mania like her predecessors . In this scenario Tom has a pretty wealthy family, there is a chance he doesn't go super nuts evil. Or let's say he does still become evil, what exactly does he do ? Because some small things change..

    • @rowanmiller6035
      @rowanmiller6035 Рік тому +2

      I'd say it would depend on how involved his father would be and whether or not he knows about the love potion.

    • @RyanYoxo
      @RyanYoxo Рік тому +1

      @@culturedsquid8442 first of all, he was born a parcel mouth, an inherited ability of Salazar, there was no tip toeing around that.
      Secondly, due to being a parcel mouth he would have always opened the chamber of secrets, always would be curious and most likely due to some inherited will follow in the footsteps of Slytherin.
      Thirdly, he also would of had the resurrection stone, and unfortunately ALOT of wizards chased the deathly hollows, good or bad they would have fell corrupted trying to get them

    • @culturedsquid8442
      @culturedsquid8442 Рік тому +4

      @@RyanYoxo The Gaunts had stopped attending Hogwarts .. they were teaching the young ones at home .other than that even if he ends up in Hogwarts, and we know he can't feel love, he wasn't abandoned by a muggle , so I don't know if he would be so extreme . I think it's possible that some things would be different

  • @owlDW
    @owlDW Рік тому +8

    So, weren't obscurial only supposed to appear within young wizards? Pretty sure a certain transfiguration teacher spent a while married to a muggle and hiding her powers without blowing up

  • @MrEmiosk
    @MrEmiosk Рік тому +54

    Hybrid, perhaps it is more likely that the forming obscurial in Merope affected the growing baby Tom. A being that would take years to fully become an obscurial. Tom would have already spent a couple of month growing before the obscurial, or at least the magic growing into one, started to form. This could have scarred Tom's soul, and resulted in him sharing some of it's nature. And since Tom developed a need to be unique, to stand out, and be more than any peer, never self reflected on how odd he his way of thinking was... then he split his soul and the last of his humanity took a nose dive until we have this scary monster lacking it's former charm and ideals.
    He obviously was someone that inspired loyalty through pure charisma and drive for change... and then after harry and the loss of his original soul anchor (his own body) stripped him of the last vistages of said charisma, leaving the cruel core open for all to see...

    • @center_nova_idols
      @center_nova_idols Рік тому +7

      The way you say he "inspired loyalty through pure charisma" made me think, maybe he also absorbed some of the love potions' effect in the womb, causing others to be drawn to him.
      Also, sorry, but I chuckled at "nose dive" :D

    • @alannagilmore8982
      @alannagilmore8982 Рік тому +2

      Haha nose dive

  • @TheYoutubeVarietyHour
    @TheYoutubeVarietyHour Рік тому +4

    You guys should make a big what if where you combine all that your old what ifs and how they affect each other

  • @ThreadBomb
    @ThreadBomb Рік тому +5

    Voldy is certainly a psychopath. Not all psychopaths turn out evil, but they definitely need good examples and positive support to turn out okay. I've been watching Catfish recently (it's a guilty pleasure!), and they encountered a couple of people who were definitely psychopaths turned bad, not trying to conquer the world, but getting pleasure and an ego boost from manipulating people and causing them pain. They obviously did not have good home childhoods.

  • @darthsupremeus4338
    @darthsupremeus4338 Рік тому +4

    On the topic of Voldemort not being able to love, I think that it was not only the fact that the love wasn't true/real, or reciprocated, but that the very most powerful magic in the whole of the Wizarding World was so blatantly manipulated to not only force TR Sr. to marry Merope, but even conceive a child with her that truly made Voldemort incapable of the one thing his mother greatly abused.

  • @FenDweller13
    @FenDweller13 Рік тому +5

    I always thought that if there was anyone who truly purely loved Voldy it would be his mother but in the end I have to agree. She never loved him as her son or child, he was just something else to use to keep his father with her. Otherwise why couldn’t she stay strong enough to stay alive for him instead of Tom Sr? It’s that insane possessive love like what Bellatrix feels towards Voldy.

  • @hackmxn
    @hackmxn Рік тому +8

    I didn’t have high expectations for this, and thought you would just talk about the love potion and be done, since it’s so easy. But I am very glad you didn’t and instead actually had a very thought out and entertaining theory

  • @morrigankasa570
    @morrigankasa570 Рік тому +5

    I believe if Voldy had been raised by a family like the Weasleys he wouldn't have been as Evil. More like a Draco or Regulus less of a Grindelwald. Yes he would still maybe do some Evil things but eventually change and be loving/good.

  • @thedragonwarrior5861
    @thedragonwarrior5861 Рік тому +7

    I wouldn't be surprised. The guy was born without the ability to feel or understand compassion or love in any form. It's hard to say you're good if you can't understand the meaning or worth of one of good's most powerful qualities

  • @TheRealRehman
    @TheRealRehman Рік тому +12

    I like to think one night Tom was laying in his bed at Hogwarts and is thinking about everything over in his head and takes a walk and finds himself in the hallway outside of Dumbledores office and part of him wants to knock on the door and see talk to Dumbledore and gets close but decides not too.
    Meanwhile Dumbledore is waiting on the other end of the door feels very crestfallen and goes back to his desk which had two hot chocolates on it.

  • @grec.
    @grec. Рік тому +10

    Well, this theory is very interesting, as so many things are kind of unclear like, Tom being conceived without real love made him be born unable to feel love or empathy. maybe Voldemort being an obscurial himself is a bit too dark. But maybe the obscurial in Merope influenced Tom Riddle Jr. to be born evil and dark. So this theory makes way more sense (Merope's repressing her magical powers) then the love potion making a child be conceived without love. Although canon, i think J's theory makes more sense. Being Merope fully responsable for Tom's loveless existence. Because it is her fault even based on canon, but this theory will make her also responsible for his dark traits.

    • @anvos658
      @anvos658 Рік тому +3

      Honestly I'd blame his grandfather more as he's the one who broke his daughter isolating, abusing, and trapping her into dependency on him and her brother, while even denying her the reprieve to go to Hogwarts so she could have the option to move on. Merope is just a victim who continues a cycle of victimhood.

    • @grec.
      @grec. Рік тому

      @@anvos658 well, ok, she's a victim of abuse but she became a victimary afterwards. I mean, she has Salazar's Slytherin legacy in her because of her bloodline. So, even when she was a victim of her bullying dad and brother, Merope, unlike Harry who also was heavily bullied and neglected by the Dursleys; she just chanelled the abuse in a negative way. I mean, the abuse of her relatives didn't necessarily mean she would brew a love potion and practically kidnap Tom Riddle, but again, she did it all on her own. She knew Tom had a fiance and she knew Tom would not be interested in her unless she'd resort to magic to force herself onto him. Which is an awful thing to do, doesn't matter if she was abused or not.
      Harry had some wild thoughts against Snape and Draco, is not like he's a saint, but yet, he never did anything to fulfill those bad sentiments to them, it doesn't matter how much he hated them.
      My point is, and sorry for writing this much; is that, Merope had some evilness in her, and she also had the will to perform it in a way that affected someone else, AKA Tom Riddle.
      So, yeah, she did what she did and by doing so, she (according to J's theory) passed down her evil ways to Tom Marvolo Riddle. Sorry again for the long reply.

  • @peachshimmer
    @peachshimmer Рік тому +8

    I think Voldemort is the perfect intersection of nature and nurture. The circumstances of his conception and birth definitely made something inherently dark in him, and then the circumstances of his upbringing amplified that and lead him to the point of no return. I think even with the assault between his parents (let's call a spade a spade here), if Merope had chosen to keep him and raise him in a supportive loving home he might have stood a chance. But the lack of love and act of evil in his creation plus being abandoned and having to grow up confused about his abilities and full of anger towards the world that he learned to take out on other kids was an irreparable combination that there was no saving him from.

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 Рік тому +5

    Always knew it from the second we meet his young self, that was one creppy kid!

  • @hollyhartwick3832
    @hollyhartwick3832 Рік тому +2

    Someone with Voldemort's disposition is entirely conceivable IRL. It's not that he was born evil, but he was born with sociopathy. He lacks the innate capacity for empathy. In a loveless upbringing in the orphanage, he learned that fear and pain got him what he wanted and made him feel safe. Not all RL sociopaths grow up to be bad or dangerous people, but they do struggle to make meaningful connections, and if raised in neglect and/or abuse, they're absolutely capable of crossing that line. Had he been adopted from the orphanage and raised by a loving family and gotten some mental health treatment, I think he could have been a very different person.

  • @bhavyajain3
    @bhavyajain3 Рік тому +215

    At this moment, whatever this guy tells is canon... I'm not even gonna question!
    Edit: this guy in my reply section is getting offended on I don't know what... Someone please call an ambulance

    • @OnePieceGuy55
      @OnePieceGuy55 Рік тому +4

      GOOD MORNING, HOW ARE YOU?👋 I JUST FARTED 😂😂😂😂

    • @darkstorm26
      @darkstorm26 Рік тому +19

      Hey his explanations/reasons make way more sense than whatever Rowling decides to spurt out on Twitter!

    • @natvelo
      @natvelo Рік тому +10

      @@darkstorm26 tbf that's really not hard

    • @tommoore2012
      @tommoore2012 Рік тому +4

      Like JK’s name being “the author”?

    • @LLawlietisdead
      @LLawlietisdead Рік тому +10

      The Carlin Brothers are more canon than JK Rowling could ever hope to be!

  • @ConnorDoubleYou
    @ConnorDoubleYou Рік тому +2

    I've never loved the Voldemort-was-born-evil theory. I feel it really let's him off the hook.

  • @meow-uz6vu
    @meow-uz6vu Рік тому +23

    Whilst I do love these theory video's I think Voldy might have just been a psycopath (or sociopath) incapable of understanding other people's feelings and frankly not caring about it at all. That paired with his loveless upbringing aka no father figure and a mother who didn't care about him resulting him going to an orphanage where other kids probably disliked him for being different. After finding out that he was magical he may have started to feel like he was special. After ending up in Slytherin and being a very gifted wizard he might have come across Salazar Slytherin's ideals being a decendant of him and adopted them as his own. Possibly going further than that to hate all muggles since they haven't treated him kindly in his younger more impressionable years.

    • @ellie623
      @ellie623 Рік тому +7

      I like their theory too because it's interesting and an original take, but I agree with you. That's more than likely what happened, nature and nurture both made him who he is. Especially since, if I remember right, J.K. said that had he grown up with love he would've turned out differently.

  • @laurensmart1986
    @laurensmart1986 Рік тому +2

    I'm 36 and I've just started reading the Harry Potter series. I wasn't into this kinds of books when they came out, so I never bothered. However, I watched the movies for the first time in 2019 and really loved them. I decided to read the books this year, and I'm on The Half-Blood Prince, chapter 11. I love the books a lot, so far and all of your Harry Potter videos are just so good. I'm glad I finally gave this franchise a chance.

  • @kylecollins3755
    @kylecollins3755 Рік тому +34

    You never cease to impress with new HP content. Thanks, gents.

    • @OnePieceGuy55
      @OnePieceGuy55 Рік тому

      GOOD MORNING, HOW ARE YOU?👋 I JUST FARTED 😂😂😂😂

    • @chezwizard
      @chezwizard Рік тому +4

      Rowling should really just anoint these guys to continue the cannon at this point.

    • @mienfu9824
      @mienfu9824 Рік тому +2

      @@chezwizard yeah, let them make their own Hogwarts Founders TV show

  • @dylanmeushaw4542
    @dylanmeushaw4542 Рік тому +1

    “The ultimate evil is suppressing who you really are.” Which is hugely ironic if that was rowling’s point…

  • @whyshouldi9786
    @whyshouldi9786 Рік тому +12

    Furthermore hate is synonymous with love, Voldemort loves to hate and hates to love. An obscurial develops when you hate magic, and in return your magic hates too and wants to destroy everything

  • @HippoEnjoyer
    @HippoEnjoyer Рік тому +16

    In my opinion, Voldemort basically being born evil definitely doesn’t make him the most intriguing villain out there

    • @SuperCarlinBrothers
      @SuperCarlinBrothers  Рік тому +7

      agreed

    • @thedragonwarrior5861
      @thedragonwarrior5861 Рік тому +3

      Yeah, even one goodish thing would have made him way more interesting

    • @kiminimuchu__
      @kiminimuchu__ Рік тому +11

      Which is why Umbridge is the most universally hated character in the story. When you have a character like Voldemort, who's established as the absolute most evil wizard ever, whenever he does something absolutely horrific the reader will simply agree that "yeah, he do be evil". Meanwhile a character like Umbridge, who's supposed to be on the lawful side but does horrible stuff (even if her level of horrible does not include the genocide of entire families a la Voldemort) it feels like a terrible betrayal.

    • @loopylinguist7716
      @loopylinguist7716 Рік тому +3

      Exactly, and then you combine all that with the fact that an evil wizard is a very fantastical sort of villain, whereas everyone's met an Umbridge at some point in their lives.

  • @myriad2878
    @myriad2878 Рік тому +26

    I think it's pretty ironic that in the fictional world that JK Rowling created, the ultimate evil is denying oneself.

    • @lirian1053
      @lirian1053 Рік тому +3

      idk makes a lot of sense to me

    • @FallenOne669
      @FallenOne669 8 місяців тому

      ​@@lirian1053The irony comes from Rowling's stance on transgender people.

    • @jessicabudke1750
      @jessicabudke1750 8 місяців тому

      Lol, Ooof! No kidding

  • @caileanm2009
    @caileanm2009 Рік тому +23

    He wasn’t born evil, no one is born good or bad, The books make a huge point on this very topic, It’s who we Choose to be that counts,

    • @MusketeerGweneth
      @MusketeerGweneth Рік тому +7

      Exactly, let's not forget Sirius' wise words to Harry. I think that I do agree with you and with most of what he said in the video, However, I would add one little note in there that perhaps the Obscurrus was in Merope as a magic parasite that imprinted on Tom inside the womb so he kind of inheirited it. As Tom grew older and came to realise he had powers, I think knowing he was different and "powerful" even as a child gave him just enough hope in that loveless place that he could be so much more than some poor unwanted orphan. I think that the Obscurrus was like a Possession of sorts that Tom CHOSE to give into in his thirst for power and control over his miserable little life and when Tom "said yes" (Supernatural reference) he chose his darkness. The Obscurrus and Tom became one sentient being. In my mind, it would have happened his first Summer after being sent back to the Oprhange from his first taste of Hogwarts. Being right back where he started and feeling like the best time of his life was over (even if it was just for the Summer) probably didn't feel so nice.
      I think Tom was still just an 11 year old boy with secret powers and did some terrible things with those secret powers like hurting others and stealing because he's a kid and had no magic guidance until Dumbledore showed up. Tom told Dumbledore things he would later wish he had not shared.

    • @armingleiner5292
      @armingleiner5292 Рік тому

      There are absolutely people born evil, born psychopaths, born murderers. For sure.

    • @uzwla
      @uzwla 10 місяців тому

      Voldemort is the only one that was bon evil. That's why he's the only one who lives a cursed live, don't you see?

  • @tomboyangel78
    @tomboyangel78 Рік тому +1

    Wasn't it said a child born from a love potion would never be capable of love?
    Also, "Not now, Trolley Witch!" got me XD

    • @MerkhVision
      @MerkhVision Рік тому

      No, that was not ever said except by fans theorizing lol

  • @erikamohrmann7986
    @erikamohrmann7986 Рік тому +3

    i've always just thought Voldy was just really scared of death and operating out of his fear.

  • @randomperson2777
    @randomperson2777 Рік тому +2

    I really liked the message at the end, about embracing yourself, that was a nice touch :)

  • @CalderaWolf
    @CalderaWolf Рік тому +2

    Is there any information in how long it can take an Obscurus to form? Merope died very soon after his birth, meaning she could only have been repressing magic for about 9 months if Riddle Sr. left while she was pregnant

  • @Benjamin-rq1fi
    @Benjamin-rq1fi Рік тому

    Voldemort's "ayy, hehe" laugh kills me every time, and is used here to great effect.

  • @EthanKWaters
    @EthanKWaters Рік тому +2

    Personally, I feel like this theory takes away from Voldemort's ultimate mortality. Voldemort was just a man born in unusual circumstances who feared death and did everything in his power to avoid it, which was ironically the cause of his very simple, very mundane death at the very mortal age of 72. The idea that he's also some human/obscurial-hybrid with UNLIMITED POWAH and an instinctive desire to destroy makes him MORE cartoonishly evil in my opinion, not less.

    • @MerkhVision
      @MerkhVision Рік тому

      Good point lol. As always, these are their own interesting but personal interpretations and not necessarily the intentions of the author/creators

  • @777rasengan
    @777rasengan Рік тому +32

    Imagine though if he had grown up without the superiority complex, and been trained by Dumbledore, he would have truly been something 🤔

    • @OnePieceGuy55
      @OnePieceGuy55 Рік тому +1

      GOOD MORNING, HOW ARE YOU?👋 I JUST FARTED 😂😂😂😂

    • @torazely
      @torazely Рік тому +6

      eh.. he probably would have still become what he was, or at least close. he was conceived through what is essentially magically-enhanced r*pe, and its specifically stated that he does not feel or even understand love in any form. so i honestly don't think much would have changed, superiority complex or not.

    • @Ranger1812
      @Ranger1812 Рік тому +6

      @@torazely Being conceived under the effects of a love potion has no impact on you. That's a common misconception. It's just symbolic of how he didn't have a loving upbringing.
      Tom Riddle was naturally predisposed to cruelty, and never had the love of a family which could have nurtured him into a better person.

    • @resathe6760
      @resathe6760 Рік тому +1

      Did you watch the video? I mean it's just a theory but according to the video it wouldn't have mattered how he was brought up, he always would have ended they way he did

    • @777rasengan
      @777rasengan Рік тому +2

      @@resathe6760 and my theory’s different and there’s nothing wrong with that

  • @YellowBear-kx1ff
    @YellowBear-kx1ff Рік тому +5

    I go by Serena Valentino’s motto: Evil is MADE, not BORN.

  • @dramaturge231
    @dramaturge231 Рік тому +1

    But I thought an obscurus formed only in younger wizards and witches. Merope was older and had already developed her powers before she stopped using them. McGonagall’s mother didn’t develop an obscurus, for example.

  • @thewolfgamer6075
    @thewolfgamer6075 Рік тому +1

    The nature v nuture argument brings up an interesting point with prophecies in the wizarding world. It's cool to think about whether you could influence a prophecy with your actions before it is made, or whether there is only one variant of a prophecy and it is known before even your parents are born.

  • @brodyk2618
    @brodyk2618 Рік тому +7

    Proof the supercarlin brothers were born the best theory channel on the internet

  • @silent2163
    @silent2163 Рік тому +1

    Grindlewald: Wants to wipe out all muggles and rule the whole world.
    Voldemort: Also wants to wipe out all muggles, kill Harry and rule the world.
    Question: Did Voldemort read about Grindlewald and just want to do the same?

  • @drewdasaint
    @drewdasaint Рік тому +2

    I wonder the statistics on children conceived by way of love potions… like do they all have angry god complexes?

  • @Mr.Kerr-cade
    @Mr.Kerr-cade Рік тому +1

    Excellent work. I am so glad that I found your channel. Voldemort makes an amazing villain. Someone should make a song about him

  • @arinerm1331
    @arinerm1331 Рік тому +1

    Having just re-watched the HBO series Chernobyl, I see the parallel between this theory and the theory that Lucmilla Ignatenko, wife of one of the firefighters who were first to the scene, was able to survive the dose of radiation she received because her unborn baby absorbed it. The baby survived only four hours after birth, but Ludmilla (according to the mini-series) still lives in Kiev.

  • @user_unav
    @user_unav Рік тому +1

    New series pitch - horror / thriller of Tom growing up evil af

  • @erichanastacio9695
    @erichanastacio9695 Рік тому

    I guess he became evil when no one remembers to give him gifts or to come to his birthday parties that he prepared.
    Everybody else prepare for the new year.

  • @layliwhyteoliver7545
    @layliwhyteoliver7545 Рік тому +211

    I actually love this theory so much, and all I could wonder is how an author who could conceive of such powerful evil arising from repressing one's true identity could so clearly miss her own point.

    • @greenricky4782
      @greenricky4782 Рік тому +13

      JK Rowling 🤮

    • @evanlinden4410
      @evanlinden4410 Рік тому +13

      Because as far as she’s concerned those people (like me, and I’m sure others in the SCB community) don’t matter

    • @iriandia
      @iriandia Рік тому +5

      Came here to say something similar, it's wild to me. It does explain why so many of us became fans, for sure!

    • @thareelhelloagain
      @thareelhelloagain Рік тому +6

      She disagrees on what constitutes as someone's true identity. Simple as that, that's the argument. A disagreement on what constitutes true identity.

    • @occheermommy
      @occheermommy Рік тому +8

      @@evanlinden4410 I don’t think that is the case honestly. She handled herself horrible and said bad things but I feel like after reading what she was saying that she was coming from a place of trauma and fear not hatred toward people like you. Again I’m not justifying what she did. It was wrong. I’m only saying that many people have piled onto the click bait of it all to make it sound even worse like she hates all trans people. She was actually speaking about a law in the UK that she felt might cause more victims. Again poorly handled and written and all that but I went to the source and looked at what she said. I feel like there are many people not just in this instance, that read the headline and jump to conclusions. Or they read the headlines and say things like oh she did this because. Well it’s hard to say why she did it but I don’t believe it’s because she hates you or those like you.
      And I want to say that you do matter.

  • @i_do_random_stuff
    @i_do_random_stuff Рік тому

    13:57 that would be so ironic considering the rep of the person who wrote the books XD

  • @chefRyan38
    @chefRyan38 Рік тому

    "not now trolley witch!" I lost it there lol 😂

  • @Bob25477
    @Bob25477 Рік тому +2

    What if petunia was a witch part 2!!! We need it! (

  • @harmonslytherin
    @harmonslytherin Рік тому +1

    Celebrate myself? Well it's a good thing it's my birthday 🎂

  • @ignisofficialgaming
    @ignisofficialgaming Рік тому

    Further icing on the cake is the vapour state Voldy entered when he flies. It’s extremely similar to an obscurus, at least in the movies

  • @garengatorlope1004
    @garengatorlope1004 Рік тому +2

    Jay, Ben I have a question about Voldemort that is since Harry had a piece of Voldemort s soul in him why didn't the elder wand recognize Voldemort as it's Master because of that?

    • @Spllyn
      @Spllyn Рік тому

      That part of the soul wasnt around, when voldemort claimed the elder wand.

  • @rjjacob101
    @rjjacob101 9 місяців тому

    Evil is learned, even JK has mentioned that the love potion didn't make Voldemort incapable of love, him being abandoned in addition to that did.

  • @arareanddifferenttune3130
    @arareanddifferenttune3130 Рік тому +3

    Doesn’t Dumbledore at some point tell Harry it is the choices we make that make us who we are , not what we are or what we were born as or something along those lines? So isn’t that sort of saying Voldemort wasn’t born evil but made choices to turn evil? Just as Harry makes choices to be good? Just a thought 😊

    • @MerkhVision
      @MerkhVision Рік тому

      Yes, that was definitely one of the major themes of the original books. While I like this channel and their theories, it must be understood that these are just their own personal interpretations that we can agree or disagree with but can’t say for certain that they were intended by the author/creators or not.

  • @brandynbeverly9401
    @brandynbeverly9401 Рік тому

    Imagine being born from
    1. Years of inbreeding
    2. Resentment
    3. Hatred
    4. Controlling
    5. And obsession

  • @ZGKIV
    @ZGKIV Рік тому +1

    Um... I kinda always assumed that anyway. I figured most wizards born under a love potion would be some degree of evil, given that they have no empathy or moral compass and find out they can do amazing things, and have incredible power? Yeah. That's a recipe for evil

  • @Steve_A93
    @Steve_A93 Рік тому +27

    That conclusion of "Love who you are, no matter who you are" is a great one, and I'd like to think it is directed at the author's inability to express the same level of acceptance towards all people :)

    • @gilzineto
      @gilzineto Рік тому

      Maybe shes trying to spawn an actual super villain IRL.

  • @edgonzales7512
    @edgonzales7512 Рік тому +1

    Then again Merope didn’t know what real love was because her family never truly loved her based on the way they treated her

  • @SkaiaSkull
    @SkaiaSkull 10 місяців тому

    I don’t remember where I heard it, but I was under the impression that a child conceived under the effects of amortentia is physically incapable of feeling love

  • @harrymowat7866
    @harrymowat7866 Рік тому +1

    What does this mean for Delphi?? I personally don’t consider the cursed child cannon but I’m just wondering “what would the product of an obscurial look and act like?”

  • @heathertoomey7068
    @heathertoomey7068 Рік тому

    The biggest theme in the movie was that you CHOOSE whether to be good or evil, so I don't think it makes sense for Voldemort to be canonically incapable of choosing good.

  • @antiheroine3611
    @antiheroine3611 Рік тому +12

    Impressive theory again. And I'm impressed by the tact they used to remind people not to internalize the thought that babies conceived or raised in bad situations are inherently evil.

  • @Paolabear7
    @Paolabear7 Рік тому

    I love how 20 years later we are still learning more about this universe

  • @hogwartslegostories2079
    @hogwartslegostories2079 Рік тому +1

    Could you please make a video about what if Ron had died in philosophers stone during the wizard chess set? I would love to see a video from you about it, thank you 😊

  • @OksanaChristie
    @OksanaChristie Рік тому

    Big shout out to the editor of this video, I watched this video in the kitchen while making dinner and my partner was playing video games, he was half listening but when the Voldy laugh was played he started bursting out laughing, I was also laughing for the record hehe

  • @erinbrown7053
    @erinbrown7053 Рік тому

    “ these socks are amazing!!!”😢 I wish he still did that.🥺

  • @dannyscottjr.7738
    @dannyscottjr.7738 Рік тому

    @supercarlinbrothers idk if you will see this but have you ever thought of the theory “What if Snape became friends with The Marauders instead of enemies?”

  • @mjpete27
    @mjpete27 Рік тому

    Hullo Brothers! I am not sure if I follow your logic trail but I have enjoyed watching your videos and seeing your different opinions about many alternative choices characters might make had the stories need differently written. Keep creating and sharing your videos and ideas, thanks!

  • @foxx121
    @foxx121 Рік тому

    I always interpreted the books as the love potion itself causing Voldemort to be as he was. Like, the potion affected his father’s “contribution” to the pregnancy to make Voldemort not be capable of love.

  • @jmace2424
    @jmace2424 2 місяці тому

    Betterhelp sponsoring a video on evil is so on brand!

  • @herobrinehunter18
    @herobrinehunter18 Рік тому +1

    why does a villain have to be relatable

  • @occheermommy
    @occheermommy Рік тому +5

    I know it’s a small thing but when they first describe the Riddles in HBP they say that his grandparents were awful people and that their son ( voldemorts father) was possibly worse. So I feel like he already had a bit of a predisposition toward being a bad person that only got worse with the love potion and not being able to love and all that. I mean I know prejudice is a learned response in our world but let’s say it is a genetic one in the wizarding world. Tom senior was prejudice against those that were poorer than him and Tom junior hates all that aren’t Wizards. You could argue it was hereditary.
    Again I want to make clear this is not what I believe in real life. People hold prejudices because of what they are taught or have seen in life I’m just postulating it for the fictional story. I don’t want anyone think I’m excusing things like racism with biology in our society because I’m not and racism is horrible.

    • @MerkhVision
      @MerkhVision Рік тому

      That’s a good and valid point u bring up, and others in the past have also pointed out how certain negative mental conditions like those present in Voldemort (like sociopathy for example) can be a hereditary result of inbreeding, which was present in the Gaunt family.

  • @andrewposner6703
    @andrewposner6703 8 місяців тому +1

    This also might explain how he can fly without a broom.

  • @neonjinn
    @neonjinn Рік тому

    You guys really love that Voldemort laugh; I feel like you've put it in nearly all your HP videos (particularly if you even mention Voldemort in the video), & you used it in this one twice! It's officially a sound bite in my brain that will not go away...... not sure how to feel about that [:I]

  • @thomastschetchkovic5726
    @thomastschetchkovic5726 Рік тому +4

    Once again, the definition of an Obscurus is that it only develops in wizard childs when they repress their power. In a fully grown wizard, especially one that has learned to control their abilities, it can not form. Adult wizards can choose to give up on magic and don't become an obscurial because they have full control of their magic and they aren't growing anymore. The only thing I could see happening is that Merope herself developed an Obscurus as a child because of the abuse from her father and brother.

  • @Thezubatlad
    @Thezubatlad Рік тому

    I kinda like that unrelatable level of evil in a villain.

  • @chefRyan38
    @chefRyan38 Рік тому

    "There is no good, no evil, there is only power!" - Archbishop Benedictus, World of Warcraft

  • @elnorafairfield2145
    @elnorafairfield2145 Рік тому +1

    Not a lot of people know that lord Voldemort is actually pronounced with a silent T

  • @alejoserranobarbaran5223
    @alejoserranobarbaran5223 Рік тому

    The concept of Obscurial has payed so much off to these guys that I m starting to suspect they had something to do on the movies script lol. Jokes aside great job! While I never like the love-potion-cause-of-Voldemorts-incapacity-for-love theory, I do buy the one sustained on the walking cancer.

  • @titanictnt7476
    @titanictnt7476 11 місяців тому

    One more point...
    *In the films, doesn't Voldemort's flight remind you of anything?*

  • @joey19th
    @joey19th Рік тому +1

    Are you guys going to do a legacy playthrough?