I love how Seth made the ad break at the most hilarious timing possible: Crim: "Thats cool! We got cannnibalism and baby making on the set!" Seth: "And on that note, a word from our sponsor" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I do think he's completely right about "gift" -- it's a mechnic that's much stronger in a multiplayer environment, and I think CEDH players will love Long River's Pull
11:20 I had to relisten to this 5 times before I understood what Seth meant by "it's basically increasing devotion" because Tokens don't increase devotion at all. Then I realized he was talking about the card Increasing Devotion.
I swear Richard's entire personality is to be a contrarian. If the popular opinion is that a set looks cool, Richard says he doesn't like it. If people generally don't like a set, Richard says he loves it. I guarantee if Seth said people aren't liking Bloomburrow, Richard would have said, "I like it." 😂
A big problem with using Plot here is that there just aren’t really enough noncreature plot spells at reasonable prices. I think you’d need to use Fblthp, Lilah, or 2MV Jace to make it work. And then you have to cast six extra spells in a turn and then have the mana to get Storm onto the eighth, assuming you play and ult Ral on the same turn.
Plotting a proliferate spell would be great too like experimental augury, only problem is that two mana Jace can’t come down until turn 4 when you want to cast Ral
Seems odd to critique Expend being boring because it rewards normal gameplay lines while Landfall is one of the most popular mechanics of all time and rewards you for doing even less. Tarmogoyf also rewards just for playing Magic and Richard loves the card.
I think that the argument that these are "play the game" mechanics is valid, but the mechanics other than expend incentivize you to lean into different aspects of the game. For example casting two spells in a turn slightly incentivizes having a lower average cmc and landfall incentivizes land ramp specifically. Expend doesn't care how many spells you cast or what type of ramp you use so in my opinion it's the most boring version of those mechanics
I am mostly in wait-and-see mode with Expend. For Landfall Tireless Tracker appears to be the example of just being rewarded for playing the game. Which is fine for the card to be. But in Pioneer I've seen someone play Urborg/Dryad with the New Capenna fetches and Dread Presence. 8crab plays Oboro. Valakut Scapeshift.. The raccoons are gruul, green is known for ramping and red for rituals. In Modern Manamorphose is just free Expend. I would not be surprised if a dedicated Expend deck pops up in some format.
i don't see the issue with expend being that it's boring, i'm worried about the possibility of it being very overtuned, especially in certain formats. we'll find out though
If Sunspine Lynx warps Standard, its for the better. We REALLY need more Price of Progress effects to punish non-basics, this type of effect should be in perhaps every second set in various different colours to ensure greedy landbases don´t get too ridicolous again. 5 colour goodstuff decks should not be the norm.
I generally love to listen to the excitement Seth and Crim share for new cards, but also enjoy the meme of Richard weighing in on Standard he clearly never plays. His takes are also so jank, lol. These threats he's talking about in Standard are usually things like Sheoldred, Atraxa, Etali, Knight-Errant of Eos, or Imodane's Recruiter-you don't need to give a card for these. If the opponent's casting something like Breach the Multiverse or Virtue of Persistence, give them the card. It's obviously worth it, in that case. It's not lunacy. Honestly, in my current control lists in Standard I generally run 4x No More Lies, 2x Phantom Interference, and 4x Three Steps Ahead. I'll glad try subbing 2x Long River's Pull for the 2 PI.
I think that is atleast partially due to how wotc is condensing the text starting with this text. example "When X enters the battlefield" is just now "enters". Alot of cards still have alot going on mechanically, but its abit easier to read. One of the new mechanics "gift" is also super condensed wordwise, so it seems alot less when you read it.
I don't share his hate, but I am a little sad they don't include a copy of each offspring in the bundle the same way they included a copy of each embalm token in amonkhet bundles.
They keep mentioning price of progress. that card costs half as much and deals twice as much damage. Like Sunspire Lynx is still very strong but you're not doming people for 6-8 damage for 2 mana. You're doming them for 2-4 damage foe 4 mana and then you have a 5/4 dude without haste. It's still REALLY good. But it's kind of a different card from Price of Progress. It needs to be compared to something like Thundering Raiju. A 3/3 hasty flyer that immediatley puts a +1/+1 counter on itself (or another creature) on attack and then deals damage to defender equal to your modified creatures. That's more or less the same amount of damage, depending on the gamestate (if you drop this on turn 4 and you have one other creature out that is already carrying a mounstrous role token, then you're dealing 2 damage +4 flying on attack + the other dude.) it could be more than Lynx. Raiju also has evasion. But it doesn't stop life-gain or damage mitigation. No idea how relevant that will be. But THAT should be the discussion and not "this is price of progress on a creature!!"
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"They should fix the rules that you cant fizzle spells anymore" was the most INSANE take of the podcast this year. Dude, THATS THE WHOLE JOKE ABOUT THE MAGIC THE GATHERING GAME ENGINE. That you can "counter" interactions without cards saying "counter target ..".
I’ve gotta say, it’s strange how they made a big deal about how Spree from OTJ allowed them to made modal spells of vastly different power levels, only to revert back with the Seasons cycle and the paw mechanic haha.
Spree used mana, while the paws allow for power modality but at a set cost. Removing the additional mana payment opens up different design opportunities. Additionally, unlike spree, you can choose the same effect twice. All in all, it’s two different designs basically doing the same thing, kinda neat
I mean they're quite different mechanics, Spree allows a spell cost 2 mana and be a mediocre proteciton, or cost 7 mana and be an instant speed wrath. The paws allow for spell with fixed spells take vastly different effects, like the white always cost 5, and can be your choice of up to five squierrels and removal or recursion.
I think I’m the only person that agrees with Richard. I’m tired of everything being so pushed. Especially with all these new absolutely absurd commanders
I think it’s fine to complain about power creep and pushed cards, but I don’t get why he’s so down on the cutesy theming and complaining that it’s not “magic-y”.
This is a very consistent viewpoint? Arcane Denial only gives the person being countered cards, whereas gifting goes to anyone and is a powerful political tool. He even said it wouldn't be op if it worked like Arcane Denial.
Seth keeps saying Three Tree City is a Nykthos for creature types but I can't see it as anything other than a costly cradle that doesn't care about all your creatures It'll definitely have impact but it'll be worse than he keeps saying
@@yoyoguy1st Any tribes in 1-2 colors auto-jam this. Might be a bit harder to justify in 3+ colors. Worst case, it is an untapped colorless land. If you have 4 or more creatures, this nets mana. No brainer.
@@brandyourfan9244 depends what format. If we’re talking commander sure, it’s a win more card which is great there. If we’re talking any other format then no. Like I’d never want this in humans or something because the additional mana rarely helps you since everything is so low curve already. Elves is like the one deck I can think of where they really spam the board with tons of elves and can also use the mana.
maybe this is the LD player in me, but anyone who gets mad about sunspine lynx needs more cast at them. There should be a real cost to not playing basics, everyone has issues with how easy it is to cast multicolor and color intensive spells (remember how pushed chainwhirler felt a while back) but doesn't doesn't want there to be any consequences to building a greedy as hell manabase. In fact go one further and reprint price of progress, if blood moon is off the table in standard then go to one that doesn't stop you from playing your spells.
Crim: the "bones" going across the Camellia card ARE nuts... those are the seeds of a maple tree, that have little wings on them and flutter down to the ground gently.
I'm sorry it's a dumb idea to get rid of fizzling just because Commander demands you play cards from the 90s. I also have no idea why you would think cloning targets. It says it doesn't.
I feel like they should adjust the rules to allow modal spells to resolve their other modes if the target of a targeting mode becomes illegal. That makes a lot more sense for most players.
MTGGoldfish podcast as bloomburrow creature types: Seth is the otter that shows everyone shiny new cards!. Richard the mocking bird complaining about how this set is OP. Crim is squirrel overwhelmed by all "Deez Nutz"!
Gift is worded like this so it won't be like an additional cost, since that will happen before the spell resolves. With gift you need to announce and then the effect changes according to that so you don't lose by giving a gift and get your spell countered.
Richard is 100% right. I want to love this set because the flavor is my favorite. The art is my favorite. But the power creep and complexity on EVERY card is too much. Visually it’s awesome and exciting. Gameplay it’s gross.
I don't think I've seen anyone else mention this about the squirrels. It's not that they are rooting through the trash, it's almost always bones. Squirrels in the wild chew bones and shed antlers to supplement calcium in their diet.
On the subject of ral, i think it might actually be able to get to ult turn 5 more often than you think. All will be one isn't rotating out of standard, meaning that you could absolutely drop ral and next turn cast double experimental augury into any 1 mana noncreature spell or something to ult him. Proliferate spells effectively give him 2 counters, and we have a lot of them.
Gift happens as the spell resolves. So for Long River's Pull - You cast this targeting a non-creature spell you promise an opponent a gift as the first part of resolving this spell. So if this spell is countered or the spell no longer on the stack when this is attempting to resolve, then the gift doesn't happen. But if the target spell is legal and it is resolving then the first part of the spell resolution will be that the opponent that was promised will draw a card, then the spell targeted is countered.
What is Richard talking about? LotR and Baldurs Gate being the most magic-y sets? What about Dominaria United or Brothers War. They are LITERALLY set on Dominaria...
@@CriticalFeline Well, that could still just be that magic is evolving, he might not like that, but it is still magic. Especially flavour wise Bloomburrow feels very in-the-wheelhouse for magic, at least to me. Ixalan and Eldraine were hits in those departments for me too. I didn't like Mkm at all either, which too me came down to a tone that was just a little too goofy and to gimmicky for Ravnica. Had it been toned down, it's own plane or maybe on New Capenna, then I think it would have not stung as much, but it is what it is. Otj was it's on thing and while I appreciate the tone and flavour, the worldbuilding was just not very good. And while Magic seems to be moving away from more "classic" fantasy and towards more modern aesthetics, Bloomburrow seems to be a rare return to more pastoral vibes, which makes the Stance that this doesn't feel magicy very odd to me.
I agree with Richard that other sets have felt more traditional MtG than the ones set on the usual planes. The Dominaria sets had too much cross-over universe stuff going on in the aesthetics and art. Whereas LotR and BG were pure and simple fantasy trappings. Just because the sets take place on a usual magic plane doesn't mean they have felt like MtG to everyone
Three Tree City doesn’t go in every typal EDH deck. Doesn’t produce extra mana until you have 4 or more creatures, and some tribes don’t do that. For example, I have Giant Tribal and Wurm Tribal (that one’s Dune-Brood and from before Baru made it popular) that have a few big creatures. Typals without much support will also have a hard time getting enough creatures out, especially if they are inefficiently costed and/or it is hard to create their tokens.
The white season goes nuts with something like Ojer Taq, Deepest Foundation in Commander since you can churn out up to 15 rabbits. The Sunspine Lynx is super busted in Standard because it heavily restricts what you can play. Also kind of crazy in Commander for any mono or 2c red deck. In monored this is just an auto-include.
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If the white season was an instant, I'd run it for the 2 and 3 paw modes alone, the 1 paw being a fall back. But sorcery speed bricks it for my Azorius Control List.
58:33 The Three Tree City doesn't come in play tapped, so, you can tap one, float mana play a new one, and use this new one on the spot. And that's actually a cool thing to do, specially if you play a deck able to use low cost creatures and high cost spells.
Ya'll are rating Season of the Burrow way to low, I can't wait to Exile something and return Loran of the Third path as an instructible attacker, blocker and car draw engine that removes something else when she enters. Edit : Crim jokes about a File of Tokens..but I have all my tokens in Sleeves that have a space that I used to print out a label for what they are.
A month into Bloomburrow standard and I've had sunspine lynx cast against me once. Its a fantastic home but there's no home for it at the moment - doesn't really fit in mono-red (might work in sideboards against control as a finisher) but it hasn't warped the meta at all really because getting to 4 mana in a red deck is quite hard. I think judging by screaming nemesis from duskmourne though, there might be a red deck which has a wider curve that it can shine in.
24:42 there is a combo in standard, even this set, there is a 5 mana creature that makes all creatures food. These two together means every time you sac a creature, you make a creature. Infinite sac outlet.
I think a lot of people misunderstood richards thoughts towards gifts and secret rendevous. Theyre very strong in commander so he plays them. Doesnt mean he likes it or wants more of it. Lots of people play staples they dont like
If you're going to play Boros mice, throw in cards like Canyon Jeroba and Myriad Landscape and Burnished Hart. Also, Sunspire Lynx and Teleportation Circle are really good friends. Throw in some Panharmonicon effects and weeeeeee. Or you can splash blue instead of white and play the blue Season, make a token and bounce everything else. OUCHIE.
I agree with Richard regarding targeting. I can't see any reason why a spell should fizzle if it has multiple effects, just because one of those effects can no longer resolve. I would understand if all targets had to remain legal until resolution, but the distinction in rules between losing one of multiple targets and all targets seems written under the assumption that spells would have no effect if they lost all their targets.
For those that complain that Richard dislikes too much. Seth seems to Love every set. Has he actually said he doesn’t like an actual set? (Commander deck releases and Secret Lairs don’t count) To my knowledge he Has Loved every set. Since I been watching anyway. But I only go back to like 2018 🤷♂️
With Long Rivers Pull, the wording of the gift mechanic makes it sound like it's intended as a cost for casting the spell with an optional mode (ie kicker). If that's the case, the op would draw the gift card and possibly respond while LRP is still on the stack.
41:48 it's before the other effects because gifting is a choice you have to decide before the rest of the effect so it knows how the effect resolves. Just kind of a different weird formatting almost of a modal spell
Players have been greedy using nonbasic lands and splashing everything, Lynx is a fantastic card to make players more cautious on using so many. Not to mention this may breakup a few existing meta decks and force more 1-2 decks. New rotation and we need new decks. Lynx will help make it happen.
I think the difference between jaya and ral in standard might be that jaya did fit better into aggressive decks because of her -2. Ral on the other hand seems to be more like a ur control PW that you play out, chump a couple of turns with the tokens and just keep playing the game until you can ultimate. You dont have to play all those spells in the same turn.
In the right deck I think Three Tree City is way stronger than Nykthos. I've been testing it in my Mycotyrant deck and it gets you like 10+ mana on turn 4. It's Gaea's Cradle levels of good and makes me want to add more land tutors to my deck just to go get it, even over something like Field of the Dead.
Owner devotion is confusing. The initial risk myth that initial investment and risk and work put in during formation of a company endures forever and makes them special snowflakes deserving praise and shit. Its like a strange religon
23:22 I 100% have a standard size 80 card deck box with tokens for commander. One day I will put color-matched sleeves to the deck I’m playing or organize them better. Tarmogoyf tokens, all the emblems for a planeswalker deck, treasures, lol.
While I like the flavor and at of the cards, I agree with Richard that this set looks really power crept and strong. I've been looking through the commons and found plenty of upgrades to higher rarity cards in my commander decks.
One thing I haven't seen anyone talk about is that Sunspire Lynx is the only calamity beast that ISN'T legendary. This is not a legendary! I think that's actually a big deal!
I am so glad back either during Outlaws spoilers or right before that, that Outlaws was gonna be cooler than Bloomburrow and I am right. Mechanics are great, the amount of flexibility makes decks better than the straight regular power creep we are seeing in Bloomburrow, and the art and setting was much less controversial. A mixture of Ikoria and Eldraine is not fresh.
sunspine lynx is going to become "surprise lynx" in seth's lexicon once he sees it in action a few times isn't it. Just looking at the word makes me think it's not dyslexic-friendly
I love how Seth made the ad break at the most hilarious timing possible:
Crim: "Thats cool! We got cannnibalism and baby making on the set!"
Seth: "And on that note, a word from our sponsor"
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Richard is just an oldman yelling at clouds.
*at cards
I do think he's completely right about "gift" -- it's a mechnic that's much stronger in a multiplayer environment, and I think CEDH players will love Long River's Pull
Richard is underrated, and his take on cards is usually right.
25:00 Crim those aren't bones those are maple seed helicopters. They're like nuts but more fun
There's the comment I was looking for.
I've always called them propeller seeds, though.
Sycamore seeds, for those in the UK.
This, actually really flavorful, Great art design IMO.
11:20 I had to relisten to this 5 times before I understood what Seth meant by "it's basically increasing devotion" because Tokens don't increase devotion at all. Then I realized he was talking about the card Increasing Devotion.
Offspring tokens increase devotion. 👀
I would love to see Seth "grade" the cards during spoilers then show the grades about a month after it's release to see a prediction comparison
He (somewhat infamously) did that with the Magic Origins flipwalkers and graded Baby Jace really poorly
Any card appears,
Richard: "I hate that card."
It makes sense, since people generally like this set.
The chad based Richard, yes.
Richard: this set has so much power creep!!
Also Richard: All these cards suck!
@PalPlays he also says the same of every set.
cards suck
Sunspine Lynx punishing greedy nonbasic manabases is going to be amazing. If 3+ color 60 card decks disappear, I'll shed no tears.
@@WiLDRAGE777 why do you want less variety I don't get it
@@JonReid01I wouldn't generally call 3+ color decks diverse.
I swear Richard's entire personality is to be a contrarian. If the popular opinion is that a set looks cool, Richard says he doesn't like it. If people generally don't like a set, Richard says he loves it. I guarantee if Seth said people aren't liking Bloomburrow, Richard would have said, "I like it." 😂
100% 😂
I suffer from this sickness.
makes the podcast interesting, most eceleb mtg players soyface at every new face and mechanic like lil cucks
@@whatdothlife4660 The first step is admitting it 😂
Shut your mouth
Richard forgetting about Plot in standard allowing you to cast spells when ral comes down.
Honestly thats a good catch, plot (outside if slingshot) is fairly underused currently.
A big problem with using Plot here is that there just aren’t really enough noncreature plot spells at reasonable prices. I think you’d need to use Fblthp, Lilah, or 2MV Jace to make it work. And then you have to cast six extra spells in a turn and then have the mana to get Storm onto the eighth, assuming you play and ult Ral on the same turn.
Plotting a proliferate spell would be great too like experimental augury, only problem is that two mana Jace can’t come down until turn 4 when you want to cast Ral
Seems odd to critique Expend being boring because it rewards normal gameplay lines while Landfall is one of the most popular mechanics of all time and rewards you for doing even less. Tarmogoyf also rewards just for playing Magic and Richard loves the card.
I think that the argument that these are "play the game" mechanics is valid, but the mechanics other than expend incentivize you to lean into different aspects of the game. For example casting two spells in a turn slightly incentivizes having a lower average cmc and landfall incentivizes land ramp specifically. Expend doesn't care how many spells you cast or what type of ramp you use so in my opinion it's the most boring version of those mechanics
I am mostly in wait-and-see mode with Expend. For Landfall Tireless Tracker appears to be the example of just being rewarded for playing the game. Which is fine for the card to be. But in Pioneer I've seen someone play Urborg/Dryad with the New Capenna fetches and Dread Presence. 8crab plays Oboro. Valakut Scapeshift.. The raccoons are gruul, green is known for ramping and red for rituals. In Modern Manamorphose is just free Expend. I would not be surprised if a dedicated Expend deck pops up in some format.
i don't see the issue with expend being that it's boring, i'm worried about the possibility of it being very overtuned, especially in certain formats. we'll find out though
Landfall encourages you to build your deck differently.
Expend….. doesn’t. I need to fill my deck with cards that cost mana! 😅
Richard’s such a hipster towards the gift mechanic. Richard: “I was doing it first with Secret Rendevous before Wizards thought it was good!”
If Sunspine Lynx warps Standard, its for the better. We REALLY need more Price of Progress effects to punish non-basics, this type of effect should be in perhaps every second set in various different colours to ensure greedy landbases don´t get too ridicolous again.
5 colour goodstuff decks should not be the norm.
Seth: I think this set looks really fun and cute!
Richard: And I took that personally
I generally love to listen to the excitement Seth and Crim share for new cards, but also enjoy the meme of Richard weighing in on Standard he clearly never plays. His takes are also so jank, lol. These threats he's talking about in Standard are usually things like Sheoldred, Atraxa, Etali, Knight-Errant of Eos, or Imodane's Recruiter-you don't need to give a card for these. If the opponent's casting something like Breach the Multiverse or Virtue of Persistence, give them the card. It's obviously worth it, in that case. It's not lunacy. Honestly, in my current control lists in Standard I generally run 4x No More Lies, 2x Phantom Interference, and 4x Three Steps Ahead. I'll glad try subbing 2x Long River's Pull for the 2 PI.
Complicated creatures? Huuuuuuh? This feels like the least amount of text we’ve had on creatures in a long time.
I think that is atleast partially due to how wotc is condensing the text starting with this text.
example "When X enters the battlefield" is just now "enters".
Alot of cards still have alot going on mechanically, but its abit easier to read.
One of the new mechanics "gift" is also super condensed wordwise, so it seems alot less when you read it.
Richard: I hate how there are unique tokens now!
Okay, so did you hate Embalm/Eternalize?
I don't share his hate, but I am a little sad they don't include a copy of each offspring in the bundle the same way they included a copy of each embalm token in amonkhet bundles.
Sunshine lynx is probably fine with fabled passage being printed at the same time.
Except we're getting a replacement for Topiary Stomper in Duskmourn that makes land tokens instead of fetching a land.
They keep mentioning price of progress. that card costs half as much and deals twice as much damage.
Like Sunspire Lynx is still very strong but you're not doming people for 6-8 damage for 2 mana. You're doming them for 2-4 damage foe 4 mana and then you have a 5/4 dude without haste. It's still REALLY good. But it's kind of a different card from Price of Progress.
It needs to be compared to something like Thundering Raiju. A 3/3 hasty flyer that immediatley puts a +1/+1 counter on itself (or another creature) on attack and then deals damage to defender equal to your modified creatures. That's more or less the same amount of damage, depending on the gamestate (if you drop this on turn 4 and you have one other creature out that is already carrying a mounstrous role token, then you're dealing 2 damage +4 flying on attack + the other dude.) it could be more than Lynx. Raiju also has evasion. But it doesn't stop life-gain or damage mitigation. No idea how relevant that will be. But THAT should be the discussion and not "this is price of progress on a creature!!"
@@PaulSzkibik I think stopping lifegain is more Amalia focused. Does standard have a lifegain problem?
@@Hapkins-le6xf i have absolutely no idea. 😅
0 sympathy for ramp decks. GO SUNSPINE KITTY!
Especially with their expensive ass nonbasic lands xd
Lynx is the hero we need
Sunspine Lynx is too cool to ban
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"They should fix the rules that you cant fizzle spells anymore" was the most INSANE take of the podcast this year. Dude, THATS THE WHOLE JOKE ABOUT THE MAGIC THE GATHERING GAME ENGINE. That you can "counter" interactions without cards saying "counter target ..".
I’ve gotta say, it’s strange how they made a big deal about how Spree from OTJ allowed them to made modal spells of vastly different power levels, only to revert back with the Seasons cycle and the paw mechanic haha.
Probably different teams that didn't communicate closely.
There’s a good chance, and I’m not saying I want to see Spree everywhere from now on, but it’s kinda funny lol
Spree used mana, while the paws allow for power modality but at a set cost. Removing the additional mana payment opens up different design opportunities. Additionally, unlike spree, you can choose the same effect twice. All in all, it’s two different designs basically doing the same thing, kinda neat
I mean they're quite different mechanics, Spree allows a spell cost 2 mana and be a mediocre proteciton, or cost 7 mana and be an instant speed wrath. The paws allow for spell with fixed spells take vastly different effects, like the white always cost 5, and can be your choice of up to five squierrels and removal or recursion.
They had to see where those spells landed before making more of them. There was a big gap between the original MDFCs and the MH3 MDFCs.
Darkstar Augur and Caustic Bronco being in the same format seems like some kind of Bx aggro deck is definitely playable.
I think I’m the only person that agrees with Richard. I’m tired of everything being so pushed. Especially with all these new absolutely absurd commanders
You are not alone
I think it’s fine to complain about power creep and pushed cards, but I don’t get why he’s so down on the cutesy theming and complaining that it’s not “magic-y”.
The art in this set is great!
It's perhaps even better than the art in ONE, which is a tough ask. It may even be the best art since ELD.
Richard this week: Gifting a card on a counter spell is zero downside. It's too good.
Richard last week: Arcane Denial is unplayable.
With arcane Denial you cant choose who you give the cards to.
But yeah i like arcane denial in edh
It's basically baleful mastery but the counterspell version
This is a very consistent viewpoint? Arcane Denial only gives the person being countered cards, whereas gifting goes to anyone and is a powerful political tool. He even said it wouldn't be op if it worked like Arcane Denial.
Seth keeps saying Three Tree City is a Nykthos for creature types but I can't see it as anything other than a costly cradle that doesn't care about all your creatures
It'll definitely have impact but it'll be worse than he keeps saying
Hard disagree.
It is exactly Nykthos for tribal decks.
Especially the ones that go wide.
@@brandyourfan9244aside from like elves I don’t see tribal decks caring about it.
@@yoyoguy1st Any tribes in 1-2 colors auto-jam this. Might be a bit harder to justify in 3+ colors.
Worst case, it is an untapped colorless land.
If you have 4 or more creatures, this nets mana. No brainer.
@@brandyourfan9244 depends what format. If we’re talking commander sure, it’s a win more card which is great there. If we’re talking any other format then no. Like I’d never want this in humans or something because the additional mana rarely helps you since everything is so low curve already. Elves is like the one deck I can think of where they really spam the board with tons of elves and can also use the mana.
maybe this is the LD player in me, but anyone who gets mad about sunspine lynx needs more cast at them. There should be a real cost to not playing basics, everyone has issues with how easy it is to cast multicolor and color intensive spells (remember how pushed chainwhirler felt a while back) but doesn't doesn't want there to be any consequences to building a greedy as hell manabase. In fact go one further and reprint price of progress, if blood moon is off the table in standard then go to one that doesn't stop you from playing your spells.
Crim: the "bones" going across the Camellia card ARE nuts... those are the seeds of a maple tree, that have little wings on them and flutter down to the ground gently.
I'm sorry it's a dumb idea to get rid of fizzling just because Commander demands you play cards from the 90s. I also have no idea why you would think cloning targets. It says it doesn't.
I feel like they should adjust the rules to allow modal spells to resolve their other modes if the target of a targeting mode becomes illegal. That makes a lot more sense for most players.
@@JayoticMTG I think that opens up a lot of confusing edge cases because it's hard to define a "mode."
At roughly 25:00 CRIM, those arent bones, theyre little sycamore "helicopters" seeds!
Ive been waiting to hear richard talk about sunspine lynx
MTGGoldfish podcast as bloomburrow creature types:
Seth is the otter that shows everyone shiny new cards!.
Richard the mocking bird complaining about how this set is OP.
Crim is squirrel overwhelmed by all "Deez Nutz"!
For once i agree with richard. Expend seems like such a cool mechanic especially with x spells.
Gift is worded like this so it won't be like an additional cost, since that will happen before the spell resolves. With gift you need to announce and then the effect changes according to that so you don't lose by giving a gift and get your spell countered.
Richard is 100% right. I want to love this set because the flavor is my favorite. The art is my favorite. But the power creep and complexity on EVERY card is too much.
Visually it’s awesome and exciting.
Gameplay it’s gross.
32:58 robber of the rich was already nutty; this mouse is a house.
Oh boy, another video of Richard's bad takes on new cards 😂
For the deckbox problem. I love the 133+ cards boxes. That way mz double sleeved decks plus tokens and cards i like to add fit in perfectly😅
I don't think I've seen anyone else mention this about the squirrels. It's not that they are rooting through the trash, it's almost always bones. Squirrels in the wild chew bones and shed antlers to supplement calcium in their diet.
On the subject of ral, i think it might actually be able to get to ult turn 5 more often than you think. All will be one isn't rotating out of standard, meaning that you could absolutely drop ral and next turn cast double experimental augury into any 1 mana noncreature spell or something to ult him. Proliferate spells effectively give him 2 counters, and we have a lot of them.
Mice rabbits and squrriles otters all look close to playable. If even two hit, watch out for Big Daddy Cavern of Soul's
Gift happens as the spell resolves.
So for Long River's Pull - You cast this targeting a non-creature spell you promise an opponent a gift as the first part of resolving this spell.
So if this spell is countered or the spell no longer on the stack when this is attempting to resolve, then the gift doesn't happen. But if the target spell is legal and it is resolving then the first part of the spell resolution will be that the opponent that was promised will draw a card, then the spell targeted is countered.
What is Richard talking about? LotR and Baldurs Gate being the most magic-y sets? What about Dominaria United or Brothers War. They are LITERALLY set on Dominaria...
Yeah, Original Ravnica too, that set while very different at its time shaped magic as we know it. its almost as if magic has always been evolving
barely magicy
@@Breadcutter Richard meant sets in recent years, to be fair
@@CriticalFeline Well, that could still just be that magic is evolving, he might not like that, but it is still magic.
Especially flavour wise Bloomburrow feels very in-the-wheelhouse for magic, at least to me. Ixalan and Eldraine were hits in those departments for me too. I didn't like Mkm at all either, which too me came down to a tone that was just a little too goofy and to gimmicky for Ravnica. Had it been toned down, it's own plane or maybe on New Capenna, then I think it would have not stung as much, but it is what it is.
Otj was it's on thing and while I appreciate the tone and flavour, the worldbuilding was just not very good.
And while Magic seems to be moving away from more "classic" fantasy and towards more modern aesthetics, Bloomburrow seems to be a rare return to more pastoral vibes, which makes the Stance that this doesn't feel magicy very odd to me.
I agree with Richard that other sets have felt more traditional MtG than the ones set on the usual planes. The Dominaria sets had too much cross-over universe stuff going on in the aesthetics and art. Whereas LotR and BG were pure and simple fantasy trappings. Just because the sets take place on a usual magic plane doesn't mean they have felt like MtG to everyone
Why can't Richard be the one to miss a podcast for once?! He's such a buzzkill!
Richard: Season Of the Burrow + Divine Visitation + Any Doubler Token Deck.
Three Tree City doesn’t go in every typal EDH deck. Doesn’t produce extra mana until you have 4 or more creatures, and some tribes don’t do that. For example, I have Giant Tribal and Wurm Tribal (that one’s Dune-Brood and from before Baru made it popular) that have a few big creatures. Typals without much support will also have a hard time getting enough creatures out, especially if they are inefficiently costed and/or it is hard to create their tokens.
The white season goes nuts with something like Ojer Taq, Deepest Foundation in Commander since you can churn out up to 15 rabbits. The Sunspine Lynx is super busted in Standard because it heavily restricts what you can play. Also kind of crazy in Commander for any mono or 2c red deck. In monored this is just an auto-include.
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If the white season was an instant, I'd run it for the 2 and 3 paw modes alone, the 1 paw being a fall back.
But sorcery speed bricks it for my Azorius Control List.
58:33 The Three Tree City doesn't come in play tapped, so, you can tap one, float mana play a new one, and use this new one on the spot. And that's actually a cool thing to do, specially if you play a deck able to use low cost creatures and high cost spells.
Ya'll are rating Season of the Burrow way to low, I can't wait to Exile something and return Loran of the Third path as an instructible attacker, blocker and car draw engine that removes something else when she enters.
Edit : Crim jokes about a File of Tokens..but I have all my tokens in Sleeves that have a space that I used to print out a label for what they are.
A month into Bloomburrow standard and I've had sunspine lynx cast against me once. Its a fantastic home but there's no home for it at the moment - doesn't really fit in mono-red (might work in sideboards against control as a finisher) but it hasn't warped the meta at all really because getting to 4 mana in a red deck is quite hard. I think judging by screaming nemesis from duskmourne though, there might be a red deck which has a wider curve that it can shine in.
24:42 there is a combo in standard, even this set, there is a 5 mana creature that makes all creatures food. These two together means every time you sac a creature, you make a creature. Infinite sac outlet.
I think a lot of people misunderstood richards thoughts towards gifts and secret rendevous. Theyre very strong in commander so he plays them. Doesnt mean he likes it or wants more of it. Lots of people play staples they dont like
For someone that makes a living off of Magic, Richard comes off so bitter most of the time.
That is _why_ he comes off as bitter. Someone who doesn't care about Magic couldn't possibly come up with enough relevant emotions to be bitter.
If you're going to play Boros mice, throw in cards like Canyon Jeroba and Myriad Landscape and Burnished Hart.
Also, Sunspire Lynx and Teleportation Circle are really good friends. Throw in some Panharmonicon effects and weeeeeee. Or you can splash blue instead of white and play the blue Season, make a token and bounce everything else. OUCHIE.
I agree with Richard regarding targeting. I can't see any reason why a spell should fizzle if it has multiple effects, just because one of those effects can no longer resolve. I would understand if all targets had to remain legal until resolution, but the distinction in rules between losing one of multiple targets and all targets seems written under the assumption that spells would have no effect if they lost all their targets.
For those that complain that Richard dislikes too much. Seth seems to Love every set. Has he actually said he doesn’t like an actual set? (Commander deck releases and Secret Lairs don’t count)
To my knowledge he Has Loved every set. Since I been watching anyway. But I only go back to like 2018 🤷♂️
With Long Rivers Pull, the wording of the gift mechanic makes it sound like it's intended as a cost for casting the spell with an optional mode (ie kicker). If that's the case, the op would draw the gift card and possibly respond while LRP is still on the stack.
I think it has been clarified that the gift and the spell resolve in a way that doesn't allow that, although I don't remember where it was stated.
Every set Richard gets closer to rebranding to “TCGGoldfish”
One word: Richard
41:48 it's before the other effects because gifting is a choice you have to decide before the rest of the effect so it knows how the effect resolves. Just kind of a different weird formatting almost of a modal spell
I've been subscribed to this channel and watching for about a year now. I just now realized that Crim's hair is Dimir colored.
Muerra in Modern Karnza :) play a ring gain 3. Start offsetting ring life-loss every turn
been waiting on this all day, just to see what cards seth might have "circle of loyalty" syndrome on
Long river’s pull is so good with Narset, Parter of Veils
This is 2024, Bob is a dad now
Anyone else confused why long river’s pull isn’t gifting a fish? Like it’s a river
Play sunspine lynx with all the weird fogs that still work like Orim's Chant and the stuff that says your life total can't change.
I agree with Seth, Ember-something Something seems like a strong card
I'm not a mono-red player, to me it's just that hasty two-drop that I keep dying to ;)
Ral seems good with plot, just saying
Players have been greedy using nonbasic lands and splashing everything, Lynx is a fantastic card to make players more cautious on using so many. Not to mention this may breakup a few existing meta decks and force more 1-2 decks. New rotation and we need new decks. Lynx will help make it happen.
I think people are looking at Ral wrong. I think he's not a storm piece, but a control piece. Jeskai control with Ral is my plan.
I think the difference between jaya and ral in standard might be that jaya did fit better into aggressive decks because of her -2. Ral on the other hand seems to be more like a ur control PW that you play out, chump a couple of turns with the tokens and just keep playing the game until you can ultimate. You dont have to play all those spells in the same turn.
The raccoon has armor amd weapons come on Crim
In the right deck I think Three Tree City is way stronger than Nykthos. I've been testing it in my Mycotyrant deck and it gets you like 10+ mana on turn 4. It's Gaea's Cradle levels of good and makes me want to add more land tutors to my deck just to go get it, even over something like Field of the Dead.
Richard is just filled with an infinite stream of incorrect opinions this episode from min 1.
Remember, Phlage is obviously a terrible card for the Modern format.
Owner devotion is confusing. The initial risk myth that initial investment and risk and work put in during formation of a company endures forever and makes them special snowflakes deserving praise and shit.
Its like a strange religon
23:22 I 100% have a standard size 80 card deck box with tokens for commander. One day I will put color-matched sleeves to the deck I’m playing or organize them better. Tarmogoyf tokens, all the emblems for a planeswalker deck, treasures, lol.
Richard you were right, all magic players are creatures by default. :)
Ral synergizes well with plot. I think that's it's hope to be good
I hate that
While I like the flavor and at of the cards, I agree with Richard that this set looks really power crept and strong. I've been looking through the commons and found plenty of upgrades to higher rarity cards in my commander decks.
Hey...gifting a opponent a card can stop thassas oracles combo by making them draw and lose.
The best gift.
three tree city only starts paying off at 4 creatures.... it's highly likely it's just not good at all.
Can't actually dome with the Lynx after The One Ring because you still can't target then, right?
I love Richard, but like I’ve said before, he is very hydrated considering all the Hatorade he drinks 😂
Crim needs to play the new riku with the praise of modal spells
They did the same individualized token thing with Embalm and Eternalize, so it's nothing new.
One thing I haven't seen anyone talk about is that Sunspire Lynx is the only calamity beast that ISN'T legendary. This is not a legendary! I think that's actually a big deal!
I mean, it isn't, there's a boar that isn't legendary.
I'm sure this is magical Christmas land. But winter Moon into sunspine linx
Love the varied takes here, glad someone could see through the hype train on this hot garbage
I am so glad back either during Outlaws spoilers or right before that, that Outlaws was gonna be cooler than Bloomburrow and I am right. Mechanics are great, the amount of flexibility makes decks better than the straight regular power creep we are seeing in Bloomburrow, and the art and setting was much less controversial. A mixture of Ikoria and Eldraine is not fresh.
If you have a sac outlet, then Camellia goes infinite with Ygra, Eater of All. Add a doubling season...
sunspine lynx is going to become "surprise lynx" in seth's lexicon once he sees it in action a few times isn't it. Just looking at the word makes me think it's not dyslexic-friendly
This is Lorwyn without going to Lorwyn.