I don't know how anyone would/could figure this out without being shown. Thanks for taking the time to try to explain IMO a very complicated marriage of programs. I myself am using cakewalk, but it is definitely no cakewalk! 🙃
Thanks Wayne! I worked it out, ha ha, but it took a while and if you've seen my other vid about Kontakt you'll know that persistence isn't a problem for me!! Cheers
As I remember it, you have to arm the track with Kontakt in it so that it receives MIDI, while also arming the audio track that’s “listening” to it. There’s a setting in Preferences to allow arming of multiple tracks
Well, yes that does work, but only because you're arming the original Kontakt instance. This is proved because if you only arm the original Kontakt instance it plays, as expected. So arming both tracks simultaneously doesn't answer the problem. Furthermore how do you then operate the 2nd, 3rd or more instruments in Kontakt on other channels?
@@robin_miller_music well, it's been awhile since I've done this so I probably missed a step or three. Probably/maybe... use separate Midi channels for all Kontakt channels? Sorry, you're right but I've done it before and can't quite dredge up the memory of how it worked...
@@robin_miller_music I hear ya. For what it's worth, I finally remembered how I tackled this problem. I routed all of the outputs to different tracks, including the 1/2 stereo pair. Now? I just add a separate instance of Kontakt for every instrument; problem solved. The consensus on NI's forums is that this will use a tiny bit more memory, but reduces CPU usage by a similarly tiny amount. It reduces headaches, which is why I do it!
Thanks Robin. The NI method is useless. I've watched a few videos and your explanation is the clearest I've found. I wish I'd found it before yesterday when I spent a hours trying to work it out. Eventually I got Ableton recording audio tracks by arming the Kontakt midi track and routing that to the audio track. But it was not what I wanted and overall a pretty unsatisfactory work around.
Very nice Video I LIKE YOUR HONESTY AND SELF-CRITICISM. I have the Revolution, the vintage verb and the FabFilter r2. I missed only the waves H-REVERB and the Native Instruments stuff RC 24 RC 48... But I would agree with every word in derber videos. Well done!
Thanks so much. The third method finally worked. I must've watched 10 vids on this before yours and none of them panned out. Appreciate the help. Cheers
Not yet, but I did just subscribe and plan on checking it all out. The fact that you didn't just show how to do it but also explained why, is key for me. Without that you can't troubleshoot effectively.
Great info! Thanks. However, it's worth pointing out that you'll have to reset the outputs to the default state if you want to use any Kontakt library within Komplete. Otherwise, the instrument won't generate any sound - Kontakt libraries only. I hope Native Instruments addresses this shortcoming in future update
on the 2nd way, you loaded an audio track instead of midi. Thats the only thing I can think of in why it's not playing the sound. The 1st way works perfect. Thanks!!
11:26 you have to arm midi track for it to play the instrument and then the audio will be routed to the audio track that you have created. Let me know if that helps.
The guy a year ago saying he was late to the party... well hello? This video is excellent and the best of about 30 vids trying to do the same thing. I have a different question though, assume for a moment though that you have already created 8 tracks full of midi notes, how do you then assign Kontakt to those channels? Been at this for a few months and still cannot work it out!
@nobbymorph OK, got it! Actually I did it almost exactly the same way as my 3rd method in the video. I did it with 4 channels but the theory would still the same for 8 for you. I created 4 new midi channels and put midi info into each (before I even opened Kontakt at all). Then: 1. Add a Kontakt instance to the first track 2. Drag 4 (in your case 8) instruments into the main K window 3. Click Presets/Batch Config > Batch Functions > Clear output section and create one individual channel for each loaded instrument 4. Now back in Ableton, drag an External Instrument on to the 2nd midi channel (remember it has midi notes in it but no sound source) 5. In that External Instrument choose the 1st midi channel in the first dropdown box. In the 2nd dropdown box choose whichever instrument you want from Kontakt (remember they're just in the order they appear in the Kontakt window). Finally, in the Audio From box just choose whichever one has the meters going when you press notes on the keyboard (remember to have this 2nd midi channel armed). 6. Repeat steps 4 and 5 for the other midi channels, changing the 2nd dropdown box and the Audio From box as necessary... and voila! Shout me if you can't get it to work. Keep making music bud R
It is not needed to add a separate instance of Kontakt for every instrument in order to use MIDI tracks instead of audio ones, as indicated in the 2nd example or the correlated NI article. You just need: 1. A correctly configured instance of Kontakt with a multi-instrument rack, as explained by Robin in the video 2. A "main" MIDI track with the Kontakt instance, as explained by Robin and NI 3. An additional MIDI track for each additional instrument added to the Kontakt rack 4. Assuming the "main" track is named "1 Kontakt" and configured as "MIDI From: All Ins | Ch. 1", each additional MIDI track should be configured as follows: --- MIDI From: All Ins | Ch. 1 --- MIDI To: 1 Kontakt | n-Kontakt, where n is the number of the output configured for the specific additional instrument in the Kontakt rack Now you can arm the specific track/instrument you want to use and it will work as expected, no audio or external instrument tracks involved in the process! 🤓
At 11:16 you have your track 3 Monitor set to IN, but if you select auto it works. I'm new to all this but that's what I've done and it seems to work (no clue as to why LOL)
11:22 At this point, your "audio to" in "2 Kontakt" track should be set to "3 Audio" track... Hope this helps.. I've learned to associate a midi track to and audio one. Gives you more control on the final result. (..Apply audio effects to that midi track)
OK, I see what that does. But how do you then operate the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or more instruments from Kontakt onto other channels in Ableton? Since the 'Audio To' is now fixed to one specific channel.
I'm no expert but I can't see how you can use multiple instruments in chain selector on 1 Kontakt instance. I can't seem to split the Kontakt instance inside chain selector into its constituent instruments. But as I say I'm no expert!
I think I heard somewhere that, at least for some DAWs, it’s preferable to use multiple instances of Kontakt, because then they can be allocated to separate threads on the CPU, unlike multiple instruments in a single instance of Kontakt which means they will all be forced to be on a single CPU thread. anyone know if this is true?… and which DAW’s is it true for? Also, a somewhat more general question: Is there any advantage or disadvantage to using a single instance of Kontakt with multiple instruments in it, versus multiple instances of Kontakt, each with a single unique instrument and each on its own track?
Hey John, thanks for commenting. That sounds likely, but I can't confirm personally. My take on the other point is it seems to be totally a personal preference choice. For me, I tend to go with multiple instances, but also do multiple instruments on a single instance if that makes more sense, i.e. 2 or 3 different percussion instruments together.
I don't know how anyone would/could figure this out without being shown. Thanks for taking the time to try to explain IMO a very complicated marriage of programs. I myself am using cakewalk, but it is definitely no cakewalk! 🙃
Thanks Wayne! I worked it out, ha ha, but it took a while and if you've seen my other vid about Kontakt you'll know that persistence isn't a problem for me!! Cheers
Finally I learned how to make these multi outputs work. I'm not even in the same DAW, but you still solved it for me.
Fab! Happy music-ing
As I remember it, you have to arm the track with Kontakt in it so that it receives MIDI, while also arming the audio track that’s “listening” to it. There’s a setting in Preferences to allow arming of multiple tracks
Well, yes that does work, but only because you're arming the original Kontakt instance. This is proved because if you only arm the original Kontakt instance it plays, as expected. So arming both tracks simultaneously doesn't answer the problem. Furthermore how do you then operate the 2nd, 3rd or more instruments in Kontakt on other channels?
@@robin_miller_music well, it's been awhile since I've done this so I probably missed a step or three. Probably/maybe... use separate Midi channels for all Kontakt channels? Sorry, you're right but I've done it before and can't quite dredge up the memory of how it worked...
@@danielleohallisey4218 don't worry! I just find it bizarre that NI's own instructions don't work
@@robin_miller_music I hear ya. For what it's worth, I finally remembered how I tackled this problem. I routed all of the outputs to different tracks, including the 1/2 stereo pair.
Now? I just add a separate instance of Kontakt for every instrument; problem solved. The consensus on NI's forums is that this will use a tiny bit more memory, but reduces CPU usage by a similarly tiny amount. It reduces headaches, which is why I do it!
@@danielleohallisey4218 Yep, totally agreed, seems like everyone does it that way now.
Thanks Robin. The NI method is useless. I've watched a few videos and your explanation is the clearest I've found. I wish I'd found it before yesterday when I spent a hours trying to work it out. Eventually I got Ableton recording audio tracks by arming the Kontakt midi track and routing that to the audio track. But it was not what I wanted and overall a pretty unsatisfactory work around.
Very nice Video
I LIKE YOUR HONESTY AND SELF-CRITICISM. I have the Revolution, the vintage verb and the FabFilter r2. I missed only the waves H-REVERB and the Native Instruments stuff RC 24 RC 48... But I would agree with every word in derber videos. Well done!
Late to the party but this was a really simple and easy to follow tutorial... appreciate ay✊
I will certainly be coming back here when my recently reconfigured setup is ready to go with Kontakt, which I've been used to using inside Maschine.
Thanks Andy, and thanks for the sub as well. Hope it helps!
Thanks so much. The third method finally worked. I must've watched 10 vids on this before yours and none of them panned out. Appreciate the help. Cheers
No probs! Glad you got there. Have you seen my vid series in the new TFO2?
Not yet, but I did just subscribe and plan on checking it all out. The fact that you didn't just show how to do it but also explained why, is key for me. Without that you can't troubleshoot effectively.
@potatomanworld hey thanks so much bud!
Great info! Thanks. However, it's worth pointing out that you'll have to reset the outputs to the default state if you want to use any Kontakt library within Komplete. Otherwise, the instrument won't generate any sound - Kontakt libraries only. I hope Native Instruments addresses this shortcoming in future update
Thanks from heart❤
Superb! Thanks for putting this together and explaining everything so clearly. This has been driving me nuts lol
No probs! Just glad it helps
This video truly helped me. Thanks Man.
Yay, I'm glad it helped.
Nice tutorial. It was very well explained and easy to follow. Thx.
Thanks
on the 2nd way, you loaded an audio track instead of midi. Thats the only thing I can think of in why it's not playing the sound. The 1st way works perfect. Thanks!!
Hi, thanks, yes it could indeed be that. It's just stupid that it's the way NI tell you to do it!
Awesome video. Thank you so much. I'm new to music production and this has really helped me.
Hi Tanya, I still count myself as a newbie as well! No probs, glad it helped. Which DAW?
11:26 you have to arm midi track for it to play the instrument and then the audio will be routed to the audio track that you have created. Let me know if that helps.
See my reply to Danielle
This helped me so much, thank you 👍
Great! I'm glad it did
The guy a year ago saying he was late to the party... well hello? This video is excellent and the best of about 30 vids trying to do the same thing. I have a different question though, assume for a moment though that you have already created 8 tracks full of midi notes, how do you then assign Kontakt to those channels? Been at this for a few months and still cannot work it out!
Thanks! Oooo that's a good question, I'll see if i can work it out!
would be wonderful if you can. thanks@@robin_miller_music
@nobbymorph OK, got it! Actually I did it almost exactly the same way as my 3rd method in the video. I did it with 4 channels but the theory would still the same for 8 for you. I created 4 new midi channels and put midi info into each (before I even opened Kontakt at all). Then:
1. Add a Kontakt instance to the first track
2. Drag 4 (in your case 8) instruments into the main K window
3. Click Presets/Batch Config > Batch Functions > Clear output section and create one individual channel for each loaded instrument
4. Now back in Ableton, drag an External Instrument on to the 2nd midi channel (remember it has midi notes in it but no sound source)
5. In that External Instrument choose the 1st midi channel in the first dropdown box. In the 2nd dropdown box choose whichever instrument you want from Kontakt (remember they're just in the order they appear in the Kontakt window). Finally, in the Audio From box just choose whichever one has the meters going when you press notes on the keyboard (remember to have this 2nd midi channel armed).
6. Repeat steps 4 and 5 for the other midi channels, changing the 2nd dropdown box and the Audio From box as necessary... and voila!
Shout me if you can't get it to work.
Keep making music bud
R
@@robin_miller_music You sir are a champion, I will give it a try today and see how I go. Thank you for all your effort!
Looking forward to the follow up. Well done
Thanks. Um, what follow up??!
It is not needed to add a separate instance of Kontakt for every instrument in order to use MIDI tracks instead of audio ones, as indicated in the 2nd example or the correlated NI article. You just need:
1. A correctly configured instance of Kontakt with a multi-instrument rack, as explained by Robin in the video
2. A "main" MIDI track with the Kontakt instance, as explained by Robin and NI
3. An additional MIDI track for each additional instrument added to the Kontakt rack
4. Assuming the "main" track is named "1 Kontakt" and configured as "MIDI From: All Ins | Ch. 1", each additional MIDI track should be configured as follows:
--- MIDI From: All Ins | Ch. 1
--- MIDI To: 1 Kontakt | n-Kontakt, where n is the number of the output configured for the specific additional instrument in the Kontakt rack
Now you can arm the specific track/instrument you want to use and it will work as expected, no audio or external instrument tracks involved in the process! 🤓
2:14 kontakt output channels 5:49 automatic routing 6:57 external instrument
At 11:16 you have your track 3 Monitor set to IN, but if you select auto it works. I'm new to all this but that's what I've done and it seems to work (no clue as to why LOL)
Yep, it makes no sense, that's the way NI tell you to do it and it's wrong!
11:22 At this point, your "audio to" in "2 Kontakt" track should be set to "3 Audio" track... Hope this helps.. I've learned to associate a midi track to and audio one. Gives you more control on the final result. (..Apply audio effects to that midi track)
OK, I see what that does. But how do you then operate the 2nd, 3rd, 4th or more instruments from Kontakt onto other channels in Ableton? Since the 'Audio To' is now fixed to one specific channel.
For some reason my external instrument is triggering everything in Kontakt no matter which Midi To I select.
Appreciate content….
thank you- a newbie with ableton
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No Probs!
Hi..
How to use One Instance of Kontakt with Multi Instruments in Chain Selector ?
Hey! The quick answer is I don't know, I'm not sure that you can. But I'll try some things and see if I can work out a way.
@@robin_miller_music Thanks for the reply and waiting for your response....
@@robin_miller_music That"s fine.. But is it possible to add FX to midi clips like Reverb, Delay, Phaser, chorus, Eq etc ?
@@robin_miller_music Is it possible to add FX to Dummy clips like Reverb, Delay, Phaser, chorus, Eq etc ?
I'm no expert but I can't see how you can use multiple instruments in chain selector on 1 Kontakt instance. I can't seem to split the Kontakt instance inside chain selector into its constituent instruments. But as I say I'm no expert!
hi robin having a hard time downloading kontakt is there an easier way to do this please let me know
Hey Carl, what do you mean by "downloading"? Have you seen my other vid about installing Kontakt?
I think I heard somewhere that, at least for some DAWs, it’s preferable to use multiple instances of Kontakt, because then they can be allocated to separate threads on the CPU, unlike multiple instruments in a single instance of Kontakt which means they will all be forced to be on a single CPU thread. anyone know if this is true?… and which DAW’s is it true for?
Also, a somewhat more general question: Is there any advantage or disadvantage to using a single instance of Kontakt with multiple instruments in it, versus multiple instances of Kontakt, each with a single unique instrument and each on its own track?
Hey John, thanks for commenting. That sounds likely, but I can't confirm personally.
My take on the other point is it seems to be totally a personal preference choice. For me, I tend to go with multiple instances, but also do multiple instruments on a single instance if that makes more sense, i.e. 2 or 3 different percussion instruments together.
I'm still trying to figure out how to get ableton to see my kontakt plugins (2021) and it's still this f*** complicated.
Let's see if we can help... what have you done so far? what can you see inside Ableton?