@@LibrocreatesL2 I mean sure. But it is WAYY too careful STILL - to an extent where it actually provokes dangerous moves by others. It needs to get more assertive, as counterintuitive as that sounds
you can never win: "its too safe that creates dangerous situations..." AND "its not safe enough - fsd is too dangerous..." AND my favourite: "its not aggressive enough doesn't drive like a human so it sucks..." Please stop now tesla because progress is a waste of time - thanks :)
The fact that so many Tesla UA-camrs' first idea for playing with ASS was to test it in Costco parking lots is further evidence that some kind of Tesla x Costco collaboration is a no-brainer.
My thoughts exactly :D I'm planning to make FSD videos in Europe as soon as possible, but so far what you can see on my channel is just Autopilot chaos 😅
It' often is a gimmick but there are situations where it would be helpful. 1) Late night at work not wanting to walk thru a dark parking lot. So safety. 2) Medical condition where you don't have a handicap placard 3) Heavy rain 4) Really cold winter temperature. 5) Elderly. 6) Backing in an out of the garage or super tight parking space. I don't see myself using it very often as exercise is good for you.
@@arjun6003 It's happy to drive in heavy rain with someone sitting in the driver's seat - so it shouldn't have any more trouble SEEING. Whether the extra levels of caution would make it less usable remains to be seen - but I think it'll be just fine.
@@arjun6003 why? I use FSD in heavy rain and it drives just fine and that's on roads with other car's spray so a parking lot would be easy for FSD. Now snow would be different.
This is an amazing step forward in terms of making people believe that cars can actually drive themselves. Think about it. It's another step to unsupervised FSD! You're actually supervising it from OUTSIDE of the car! It's like letting your child go play on their own for the first time. 🎉
The insurance company providing coverage for this ASS Tesla in question would likely adjust its insurance premium based on increased risks of collision resulting from a human driver (properly licensed to operate remotely??) supervising ASS from a wireless smartphone's tiny video image!
@@TuneupMagicknowing insurance companies your right i wouldnt be surprised if they did that nowadays, but now that you mention it your making me think of the future... couple decades out man they gonna start charging PEOPLE for a premium (since self driving cars will be multitudes safer and abundant at that point) man its gonna be an interesting, and possibly depressly corporate future.
Once banish is implemented it will be able to park further away - reducing likelihood for dings (from other car doors) and will make it easier for summon to get out of the parking spot
I doubt banish will come for a long, long time. Think about how hard that is. It has to be able to fully understand complicated parking signs, it can't ever accidentally park not in a space...
It's actually hard to guage how capable the software is because they've dialled up the caution to 11. It's the absolutely the right choice for a first release but still i wonder how good it would be under normal supervised fsd mode. Guess we will find out later this month when it gets reverse etc
Normal supervised fsd can’t do SHIT it curbed so bad on a u turn when there was no pedestrians or traffic. Shits crazy… since I was behind the wheel I could feel just how jarring it was and trust me a student driver would curb much gentler
Smart Summon will be great for people leaving the office late at night and want to summon the car to the door instead of walking alone in a dark, dimly lit parking lot. I would have used this feature so much if I still had my office job. Lots of late nights coupled with little daylight after 5pm in the fall and winter.
I just imagine: “I pressed summon 10 minutes ago!! Where tf is my car?!” **cuts to the car sitting in the middle of an intersection causing gridlock**😂😂
There’s one particular lot I’ve tried it in a few times and it just gets stuck sitting stupidly in the middle of the isle. It has diagonal spaces and cart returns on both sides of the isle, not sure why it fails so often there. In my “good” parking lot, in the rain sometimes it hallucinates pedestrians and won’t move and other times the auto wipers work and it waits for the wipers and then sees clearly. Wish we had more training in snow, because FSD runs about 2x closer than it should behind cars in the snow when the surface is unpredictable (not an ASS issue but was on my mind with the recent cold rain in my area).
Man, this is such an amazing technology. Now, I guess all they need to do is combine all the different "modes" into one (plus some improvements), and - bang, actual full self-driving. Thanks for doing these videos!
6:48 I’m sorry without the phone recording I refuse to believe this was smart summon. I believe wholeheartedly that you are behind the wheel of that car. It is my belief that you shrunk yourself to the size of a flea and are operating it totally unassisted.
i think the idea is that it reverses first to see if there is a barrier, in any situation where it cant reverse due to something like a wall, its going to be obvious that there is no barrier or curb so its not going ot reverse. maybe if a shopping card is placed behind it then i wonder what it would do
@@DarkNemesis25 it does it to check if there is something in front of the car. Due to the position of the front camera, it has a blind spot in front of the car. If it cannot back up, it should not allow summon to be used at all. There have been several comments about this made to several UA-camrs who have the feature and yet noone has documented it yet. Feels to me like an obvious thing to check.
Amazing timing. I rented FSD a few days ago. 22 M3LF w/HW3. I just returned home from doing some summon testing. Far less sophisticated than what you do. I started with a small local parking lot. I walked about 50 ft away and activate the come to me option. It was so eerie to watch it signal and back up then drive to me. I then went to a rear lot of a big box shopping center. Not many cars but a more complex layout. One test was okay, the next not so good, it was driving away and got confused at the turn at the end of the lane and started going forward, then backup over and over. Fun but not something I plan to depend on.
@@iainmrodgers9991 Exactly, I don't need clicks. It's a fun toy. I may see if it can get out of my garage by itself. I back in with a sharp 90° turn and leaving I am careful not to scrape the left front or the right side getting into the driveway.
You were testing the old software. As mentioned it was really bad. An update for summons hasn't came out for a few years. Unless you had FSD 12.5.3 you didn't have this new one.
I think the car did better than most average drivers. When it is your car in a testing situation you get a bit stressed so I think it is better than the feeling you have about it. Thanks for pushing the boundaries which is a fascinating set of real world tests!
That's the big deal here. Trust. I used the not-actually-smart summon a couple of times - but it's pretty nerve-wracking - and I don't think this version will reduce the level of anxiety sufficiently for me to risk a $50,000 investment.
@@waldolemmer maybe someone who didn't grow up with a car or have access to driving games on console/pc, bump cars in fairs/carnivals, or go karts? The whole driving thing is about rules, barely any of which applies to parking lots... and leaving a spot is easier than parking in.
Very strong test! I love how it responded, it's not perfect, but you can see the big steps and the direction it's going. One or two more releases and it will be really stunning. I also liked the people who reacted to the self-driving car, it made me smile every time :)
Almost certainly any "caution" parameter they have (and they absolutely do have) for smart summon is set to its max*** value for this initial release, hence the long hesitations in some situations with a lot activity around especially pedestrians. ***of course the caution setting doesn't actually have a max, and if high enough would prevent it from ever moving at all, so it is at the max _tolerable_ caution setting.
@@LesserAndrew Caution and safety are not the same thing. Caution is a hedge against uncertainty, where safety is concerned. The more uncertain you are about the safety of an action, the more cautious you need to be in approaching that action. The AI has some degree of uncertainty in understanding its surroundings, and the developers have some degree of uncertainty about the [un]certainty of the AI. Hence caution parameter needs to initially be high. As certainty improves(likelihood and degree of error decreases), the caution parameter likewise can and SHOULD be reduced. This keeps _safety_ at a high level while the self-driving AI is actually able to function effectively and efficiently.
The reason I love your videos is that you show good with the bad. Not just curated to show perfect situations. Great job! Now waiting for my turn to download 😢
I think the best direction for lots like Costco is for Tesla to extend the range of summon so you can park in the back or far regions of the lot (or even a neighboring lot), where there is less traffic/pedestrians (especially once Banish is implemented). Then when you summon it, the vehicle can go out and around - choosing the best route to avoid the busy isles and pick you up on the side or some area that is less busy than right at the main entrances. Perhaps if you *insist* on parking in the busy spots and being picked up in the busy spots, it will still do that (with the penalty that it will take longer). I see a near future where stores mark off sections for automated parking and pick up spots. It does seem obvious Tesla has the cautiousness turned way up initially. Most humans in parking lots will yield to a vehicle that was backing out before they were near - as long as it doesn't take forever. For those humans that continue to get too close to its path, then it can slow down or stop. I'm sure Tesla has had it at such a level in their internal testing. The future updates will gradually increase the aggressiveness/speed.
I think is matter of time of course it have to be traines in different circumstances to update and train the software so that it could handle even India traffic driving rules 😅 I'm kiddin 😅
We always use Smart Summon to move our vehicles in and out of our garages for various purposes. We also use it when parking to place the car in the best spacing for vehicles around us.
Yeah - I use it in not-smart summon mode (just using the arrows on the phone screen) to just reverse out of a garage or something - but that's a much simpler thing for it to do than summoning from across a parking lot...plus, you're standing right next to it and can see every inch of what it's doing. When you're 200 feet away - and it's a MUCH more complex environment - the level of trust required is MUCH higher.
Bruh 😭😭😭 I legit almost started the video with "First of all I want to say this software is perfect and should immediately be rolled out to everyone" 😂😂 but didn't do it
Dude. This is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen. How insane that we’ve arrived at a smart summon that works! How amazing. 10/10. Now time to summon the haters. 🤷🏽♂️
12.5 (even on HW3) seems to be pretty close to being able to do unsupervised FSD. I haven't had a single safety-related intervention since I got it. Mostly, I get annoyed at it being excessively hesitant or driving too slowly for my taste. The things I don't like are on a level with not liking riding with a stranger. Matters of taste - not matters of substance.
Saturday, September 07, 2024 ... Hi. It did not damage itself or any other autos. It was as patient and methodical as a Waymo. According to what I witnessed in your video, I would give it a B+. I do not currently operate any vehicles, but what your video revealed was stunningly impressive. PEACE!
Really don’t get why some people think actual smart summon is a party feature. Maybe for now. But the goal has always been a safe unsupervised FSD that will be able to take you to work or school even if you’re sitting in the rear passenger seat, the car be able to park by itself in the parking lot or be able to drive back in the safety and security of your home garage or driveway by itself and be able to park at a spot specified by the owner (for people who have safety/security concerns parking their teslas at the public parking lot or do not want to park it in a parking meter), pick you up from work/school, then drive you back home safely.
There is a huge leap-of-confidence required between having it drive and you being able to take over at any instant - and having it (essentially) unsupervised. I mean, yes - you're able to watch it (maybe) and stop it dead. But the level of trust required is just psychologically much higher.
I do get why people are skeptical. FSD aspirations have been overpromised basically since Tesla began to exist conmercially. We very easily could be 10+ years from what youre describing, and FSD isnt a transferrable feature, so for most it will have absolutely no impact on their buying decision for their current car. That matters. So overall, smart summon is a party trick and likely among the pinnacle of what consumers are paying for. You dont buy software for future potential.
Does changing the minimum gap distance in the summon settings affect that abort to mitigate collision issue? My Model 3 won't park in my single car garage on the default summon settings. I had to lower it down to the minimum in order to get it to pull past my water heater.
@@SteveBakerIsHere You don't know what the car has. All i'm sayin is, it finally reversed after it was yelled at. I refuse to believe it's a coincidence because that's fun.
@SteveBakerIsHere it has camera's inside looking at your face 24/7 and you think it doesn't have external microphones? You can't even dig out your nose without Elon getting frisky over it 💀
Hi! I keep seeing videos of FSD navigating through the city limits or on freeways. I've never seen, though, FSD navigating through an out-of-town two-way road. Like the coastal Highway 1 in California, for example. A road where a car might have to overtake a truck or a slow moving car and then go back to its directional lane. And where it has to follow the road marking. I'd love to see if FSD could handle that - overpassing while keeping in mind upcoming turns and obstructions of visibility, whether it could quickly pull back into its own lane before the opposite traffic comes too close, etc. If possible, please make this test and show us what it can do. Thanks!
Anxiously awaiting the day I can drive to the airport, then send my car back home until I return and then have it come get me :D Or I'll be dead by then. Toss up.
Not me sitting here in Germany crying in bureaucracy 😭 Dude this is just amazing. Sure, we don't have anything close to these GARGANTUAN parking lots but I still want this feature nevertheless, not to mention an actually good autopilot ...
All these locations looked sooo familiar! I thought I was just seeing things. But it looks like you shop in all the same places I do in the East Bay Area 😅😅
I have to wonder though, when it comes to the 'range', you showed in your video that the reticent was 'outside' the range at one point (car had to go outside the 'circle' due to the path it needed to legally take) @ 3:25 ish... Could it be that it kept going because YOU (the blue dot) were still in range the entire time?
Nice stress test. If I understand it correctly, you can place the target anywhere and it will go there as long as you stay in the circle at all times. So, maybe you could put a target on the other side of town and then follow along in another car to keep inside the circle. That would give you essentially infinite ASS.
It seemed like the opposite way round from what he said and showed in this video - the target has to be inside the circle when you start it, but then it doesn't matter if you or the target move outside of it while it's driving (and the circle always follows the location of the car as it moves) Or maybe you (i.e. your phone) do have to stay within the circle, I didn't notice him say that but it does look like he stays within it at all times anyway. But it definitely seemed like he couldn't set the target outside of the circle to start with.
@@EdwardMillen it appears you have to set the target inside the circle (which is centered on you) and then while the car can route outside of that circle it will shut itself down if it gets out of that circle.
Interesting video. Would love to see you test out smart summon during the rain. I have a model 3 and had the trial for FSD, can't trust it to drive properly during the rain.
@@SteveBakerIsHere had FSD in May 2024. Was also on a small road that had #30, FSD thought it was speed limit, so a big slow down from 80km/hr to 30km/hr during the rain. Personally, I just couldn't feel safe during the rain, and possibly snow.
@@sumitthongpale4452 So the fact that you're talking about km/hr rather then mph suggests that your'e not in the USA. So far, the very latest v12.5 FSD is only released in the USA - so you're running an old version. This discussion is about the LATEST version - which is a million times better than anything previously released. Be patient - v12.5 will get to whatever place you live in eventually.
Ultimately, at this point, the test is reliability. Waymo has delivered a L4 robotaxi but its critical to note they have 17,000 miles per disintervention, most of which are handled primarily by the car with assistance from an attendant. Waymo can also scale using mapping. Mobileye already proved that mapping the continental US is possible. Tesla should be able to take a similar approach but rather using training data for other countries. It will take time for Tesla to achieve this but it will be worth it.
I just want these body movement prediction arcs like in every other vehicle! They look awesome! (The arcs that show how the body of the vehicle will move given a steering input)
Still running FSD 12.3.6 on HW3 (2018 M3P). It regularly drives me to my brother's place half an hour away and back with zero interventions and deals with speed bumps and roundabouts like a pro. Can't wait to get FSD 12.5.X and try it out. I hope the speed variation issues will be sorted out by then. :)
Is this even legal to not have someone in the car in a busy parking lot with all those pedestrians? I want FSD to succeed too, but we can't just only show the good things it does. So far FSD in my car has never performed as well as a lot of these influencer videos show.
Nope, the tire did not in fact hit. The whole sound was made simply from the vehicle hard stopping. Read dirty Tesla's comment on that video in the comment section
Chances are you don't have the FULL FULL self driving, I'm pretty sure it's only out to a select few. As for legal, it is, all of Tesla's creations and stuff are approved by the FAA, and not to mention it's still way safer than a human.
@@Luzzzzzo There is only one FSD, but it depends on what software version the car gets. I'm waiting on the version the OP in this video has. And no not everything Tesla has released was legal. Guess you forgot about how it used to not stop at stop signs, which is completely illegal. Often FSD doesn't even use the blinkers, which is illegal also. And the FAA only deals with aviation. I think you meant the NHTSA.
The statistics and roll-out page shows that as of now (Sept 5 morning) only two cars have got the update 2024.27.20. I do not understand how so many people are posting videos of actually smart summon and FSD12.5.3.
I noticed you park forward in the parking spot instead of backwards. How would ASS handle parking backwards, and up against a wall. Will it even come out of its parking spot if it can’t backup to check to see if there are any obstructions out front? This is probably why we see those Model 3 test mules with front bumper cameras. It’s for RoboTaxi and for future Tesla vehicles. They won’t have to back up to check what’s up front. 🤔
If you have the car park itself - it always goes in backwards because the reversing camera is higher resolution. So if it parks itself, it can always leave enough room for the little back-up maneuver. Although - that doesn't prevent someone parking in the space right behind you and edging forward until bumper-to-bumper with you. These kinds of stupid corner-cases end up being super-annoying!
I appreciate you stress testing this and assuming the embarrassment for us all 😅 I think the only real time I'll use it is if it's raining. I'd love to see you test it on the rain to see if performance is degraded any.
Not having the smart summon yet since no FSD in europe. However: the park assist is amazing compared to lots of other cars. I use it constantly since in some situations it manages to get the car parked in small spots faster than I can do it
the footage of the car chasing you through the parking lot is the funniest shit i've ever seen. you need to do this in a populated parking lot while playing terminator voicelines through the car.
I like the vehicle paths they added to the visualization, similar to on high fidelity park assist on Cybertruck. Do you see those in park assist when you’re driving now? That could help prevent curbed rims.
If it backs up slightly to see what's in front of it if the first move is to go forward, what happens if you park backed in completely up against a wall? That would be a fun test. :)
@@Luzzzzzo he points out that if the first move it wants to do is go forward it backs up slightly to see if there's something in front of the bumper, if there's no space behind it to backup does it just lock up or does it go forward and hope?
I doubt it'll be any different. It can drive just fine (in FSD) in dense urban areas in rain and snow - that's really no different than A.S.S - except there's a human there for emergencies. So CLEARLY it's able to see perfectly well in those situations...it's not like there are different cameras for ASS.
want to use summons to back out of my garage and down driveway to street +/- 80 feet away. problem is that driveway is very narrow - with pinch point of 8 foot total width in tightest location. summons won't go past this point. do I need to recalibrate cameras or manually set min distance perameters to 12"
Is this the 2022 model with no Ultrasonic sensor? I'm not sure whether to get a 2021 with the USS or the 2022 which I've heard uses no USS, but video instead. Is 2021 model USS and 2022 video? Secondly, any pro/cons to them?
This isn't a gimmick, my mom is handicapped and uses it now to bring the car to her when she leaves a store or the doctor's office. Just wish it had a valet mode where it would either circle the parking lot while you do your thing inside or go find a parking spot on its own after dropping you off at the front of the establishment. I hope that's coming soon in an update. Then the next step would be to circle the block on public streets or find street parking nearby. Or maybe even go do some auto-Ubering while you do your business for a couple of hours and then come back to pick you up after making $40 or so for you.
next addition to summon videos will be a heart rate monitor
hahaha! 😂
What happened to this video?, was it reloaded 4-5 times?
Oh no!😅
please do it for real xD
heart rate monitor for fsd videos sound like a good idea too. unless youre already so used to the anxiety that it doesnt bother you anymore haha
Smart Summon is great and all but let's be honest: we all want the car to drive up and go park somewhere by itself...
That's called banish and they say they're working on it
@@No_True_Scotsmanoh that's great! I hope it's out by the time we get one.
Even better if they release a contact less charger, so it can park and " plug in" while you shop
Most people have no problem walking. Oh, sorry, you're probably in America.
@@yardgrid Haha lmao so true
"huge bias toward pedestrian safety"
thank god it has it lol
@@LibrocreatesL2 I mean sure. But it is WAYY too careful STILL - to an extent where it actually provokes dangerous moves by others. It needs to get more assertive, as counterintuitive as that sounds
@@TeslaTobi
Yes good point. It's fine if the majority of cars were self drive but right now it can provoke dangerous situations.
It's a good thing Elon changed political parties. His old party favors pedestrian collisions. The party of criminals.
you can never win:
"its too safe that creates dangerous situations..."
AND
"its not safe enough - fsd is too dangerous..."
AND my favourite:
"its not aggressive enough doesn't drive like a human so it sucks..."
Please stop now tesla because progress is a waste of time - thanks :)
@@kc-me6wlI'm pretty sure you also think it still has to improve so don't act smarty
Sentry Activated: "Sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
Open the Driver door, tesla...
@@TappwuztakenGreat. Gonna need to hack into the car now😅
Space Odyssey Reference
The fact that so many Tesla UA-camrs' first idea for playing with ASS was to test it in Costco parking lots is further evidence that some kind of Tesla x Costco collaboration is a no-brainer.
Go and eat a pizza at Costco , you deserve it
Or it's a joke to test ASS at the chaos that is CostCo parking lots
the FBI is asking for your location
"Playing with ASS"
I just got my Cybertruck this year and I love Costco….coincidence? I think not! 😂
'You'll just have to take my word that I'm not invisible'
I‘m Not sure but I think you could drive the car manually through the app. That’s probably what he meant
@@concrete4President That seems dangerous as hell
@@concrete4Presidentthat seems cool as hell
Just because someone is invisible does not mean they are not there.
@@concrete4President That seems dangerous and cool as hell
Seriously impressive stuff! Thanks for feeding our FOMO here in Europe 😅
My thoughts exactly :D I'm planning to make FSD videos in Europe as soon as possible, but so far what you can see on my channel is just Autopilot chaos 😅
@@robotinreallifecool, we need more European focused channels for autopilot/fsd, especially since Tesla AI's announcement on X
Anyone knows date for FSD in Europe?
@@TommyownzzTheres no date, but AI roadmaps says q1 2025
Meanwhile UNECE says they'll have regulations ready in 2026 :/
It' often is a gimmick but there are situations where it would be helpful. 1) Late night at work not wanting to walk thru a dark parking lot. So safety. 2) Medical condition where you don't have a handicap placard 3) Heavy rain 4) Really cold winter temperature. 5) Elderly. 6) Backing in an out of the garage or super tight parking space.
I don't see myself using it very often as exercise is good for you.
Raining feels like a bad idea because it only uses cameras it prolly wont be able to see clearly.
I can imagine a self parking feature being implemented at some point
@@arjun6003 It's happy to drive in heavy rain with someone sitting in the driver's seat - so it shouldn't have any more trouble SEEING. Whether the extra levels of caution would make it less usable remains to be seen - but I think it'll be just fine.
@@arjun6003 why? I use FSD in heavy rain and it drives just fine and that's on roads with other car's spray so a parking lot would be easy for FSD. Now snow would be different.
@@arjun6003 "Prolly", can't people spell probably anymore? lol
This is an amazing step forward in terms of making people believe that cars can actually drive themselves. Think about it. It's another step to unsupervised FSD! You're actually supervising it from OUTSIDE of the car! It's like letting your child go play on their own for the first time. 🎉
The insurance company providing coverage for this ASS Tesla in question would likely adjust its insurance premium based on increased risks of collision resulting from a human driver (properly licensed to operate remotely??) supervising ASS from a wireless smartphone's tiny video image!
@@TuneupMagicknowing insurance companies your right i wouldnt be surprised if they did that nowadays, but now that you mention it your making me think of the future... couple decades out man they gonna start charging PEOPLE for a premium (since self driving cars will be multitudes safer and abundant at that point) man its gonna be an interesting, and possibly depressly corporate future.
Totally! It's right in front of you now.
I wonder if it would respond to a person waiving it past?
Prob not.
Once banish is implemented it will be able to park further away - reducing likelihood for dings (from other car doors) and will make it easier for summon to get out of the parking spot
"2 weeks" 🤣
New feature... every time someone parks next to it, it moves to a different empty spot before they get out.
I doubt banish will come for a long, long time. Think about how hard that is. It has to be able to fully understand complicated parking signs, it can't ever accidentally park not in a space...
10:30 The face of the guy on the left searching to someone to hate in your car..
English verry gud 👍🏻
It's actually hard to guage how capable the software is because they've dialled up the caution to 11. It's the absolutely the right choice for a first release but still i wonder how good it would be under normal supervised fsd mode. Guess we will find out later this month when it gets reverse etc
Normal supervised fsd can’t do SHIT it curbed so bad on a u turn when there was no pedestrians or traffic. Shits crazy… since I was behind the wheel I could feel just how jarring it was and trust me a student driver would curb much gentler
Is that a spinal tap reference?
Smart Summon will be great for people leaving the office late at night and want to summon the car to the door instead of walking alone in a dark, dimly lit parking lot. I would have used this feature so much if I still had my office job. Lots of late nights coupled with little daylight after 5pm in the fall and winter.
I just imagine: “I pressed summon 10 minutes ago!! Where tf is my car?!”
**cuts to the car sitting in the middle of an intersection causing gridlock**😂😂
There’s one particular lot I’ve tried it in a few times and it just gets stuck sitting stupidly in the middle of the isle. It has diagonal spaces and cart returns on both sides of the isle, not sure why it fails so often there. In my “good” parking lot, in the rain sometimes it hallucinates pedestrians and won’t move and other times the auto wipers work and it waits for the wipers and then sees clearly. Wish we had more training in snow, because FSD runs about 2x closer than it should behind cars in the snow when the surface is unpredictable (not an ASS issue but was on my mind with the recent cold rain in my area).
7:31 was really impressive
Man, this is such an amazing technology. Now, I guess all they need to do is combine all the different "modes" into one (plus some improvements), and - bang, actual full self-driving. Thanks for doing these videos!
That's the plan
I suspect ASS is just FSD using the same neural net
6:48 I’m sorry without the phone recording I refuse to believe this was smart summon. I believe wholeheartedly that you are behind the wheel of that car. It is my belief that you shrunk yourself to the size of a flea and are operating it totally unassisted.
I see two use cases:
* You want to avoid heavy lifting or a long walk
* It is raining/snowing.
-> So, you need to test it in heavy rain. 😊
Use case 1, use a trolley. Use case 2, wear a coat.
@@Reprint001 How did that solve that you do not want a long walk?
@@Reprint001when you have money you don’t have to do all that bud 😂
@@jsjs6751exactly!
@@ThePriscillaPan lol having real money means you don't even go to costco
I want to see the car backed against a wall where backing initially is impossible. Will it say unable to complete maneuver or YOLO?
i think the idea is that it reverses first to see if there is a barrier, in any situation where it cant reverse due to something like a wall, its going to be obvious that there is no barrier or curb so its not going ot reverse. maybe if a shopping card is placed behind it then i wonder what it would do
@DarkNemesis25 very possible. I also think it could be a move to check if children or pets and maybe debris is in front of the car.
It might just refuse to move because it needs to back up to ensure that nothing is under the front camera.
@@DarkNemesis25 it does it to check if there is something in front of the car. Due to the position of the front camera, it has a blind spot in front of the car. If it cannot back up, it should not allow summon to be used at all. There have been several comments about this made to several UA-camrs who have the feature and yet noone has documented it yet. Feels to me like an obvious thing to check.
@@DarkNemesis25It wouldn't be obvious that there isn't something there just because you're blocked from behind.
Don't worry bruda. Soon your Tesla will be hosting this channel and filming its own journeys 🙌🏽
Amazing timing. I rented FSD a few days ago. 22 M3LF w/HW3. I just returned home from doing some summon testing. Far less sophisticated than what you do. I started with a small local parking lot. I walked about 50 ft away and activate the come to me option. It was so eerie to watch it signal and back up then drive to me. I then went to a rear lot of a big box shopping center. Not many cars but a more complex layout. One test was okay, the next not so good, it was driving away and got confused at the turn at the end of the lane and started going forward, then backup over and over. Fun but not something I plan to depend on.
Keep the testing within safe limits. No need for you to end up with a dent in your vehicle - or a pedestrian.
@@iainmrodgers9991 Exactly, I don't need clicks. It's a fun toy. I may see if it can get out of my garage by itself. I back in with a sharp 90° turn and leaving I am careful not to scrape the left front or the right side getting into the driveway.
that would have been the old smart summon you played with right?
@@hykris541 That was today. It was just called summon on my Tesla App.
You were testing the old software. As mentioned it was really bad. An update for summons hasn't came out for a few years. Unless you had FSD 12.5.3 you didn't have this new one.
Alternative title: Pushing My Tesla’s A.S.S Over The Limit!
This is amazing that it came from sensors to only vision and this will only get better with time. Patience is the way.
True for anything in life
I love the touch of it keeping the side mirrors folded 👌
I think the car did better than most average drivers. When it is your car in a testing situation you get a bit stressed so I think it is better than the feeling you have about it. Thanks for pushing the boundaries which is a fascinating set of real world tests!
Better than most average drivers is an stretch,m
Better than most average learner drivers, maaybe
That's the big deal here. Trust. I used the not-actually-smart summon a couple of times - but it's pretty nerve-wracking - and I don't think this version will reduce the level of anxiety sufficiently for me to risk a $50,000 investment.
No, it didn't.
@@waldolemmer maybe someone who didn't grow up with a car or have access to driving games on console/pc, bump cars in fairs/carnivals, or go karts?
The whole driving thing is about rules, barely any of which applies to parking lots... and leaving a spot is easier than parking in.
Very strong test! I love how it responded, it's not perfect, but you can see the big steps and the direction it's going. One or two more releases and it will be really stunning. I also liked the people who reacted to the self-driving car, it made me smile every time :)
Almost certainly any "caution" parameter they have (and they absolutely do have) for smart summon is set to its max*** value for this initial release, hence the long hesitations in some situations with a lot activity around especially pedestrians.
***of course the caution setting doesn't actually have a max, and if high enough would prevent it from ever moving at all, so it is at the max _tolerable_ caution setting.
Parking lots have more edge cases than street driving, so I hope they keep the safety settings cranked up forever.
@@LesserAndrew Caution and safety are not the same thing.
Caution is a hedge against uncertainty, where safety is concerned. The more uncertain you are about the safety of an action, the more cautious you need to be in approaching that action.
The AI has some degree of uncertainty in understanding its surroundings, and the developers have some degree of uncertainty about the [un]certainty of the AI. Hence caution parameter needs to initially be high. As certainty improves(likelihood and degree of error decreases), the caution parameter likewise can and SHOULD be reduced. This keeps _safety_ at a high level while the self-driving AI is actually able to function effectively and efficiently.
The reason I love your videos is that you show good with the bad. Not just curated to show perfect situations. Great job! Now waiting for my turn to download 😢
Thanks for doing this test and sharing it. Admire your dedication. I'm sure I would have caved... same reason I never used the old smart summon.
I think the best direction for lots like Costco is for Tesla to extend the range of summon so you can park in the back or far regions of the lot (or even a neighboring lot), where there is less traffic/pedestrians (especially once Banish is implemented). Then when you summon it, the vehicle can go out and around - choosing the best route to avoid the busy isles and pick you up on the side or some area that is less busy than right at the main entrances. Perhaps if you *insist* on parking in the busy spots and being picked up in the busy spots, it will still do that (with the penalty that it will take longer).
I see a near future where stores mark off sections for automated parking and pick up spots.
It does seem obvious Tesla has the cautiousness turned way up initially. Most humans in parking lots will yield to a vehicle that was backing out before they were near - as long as it doesn't take forever. For those humans that continue to get too close to its path, then it can slow down or stop. I'm sure Tesla has had it at such a level in their internal testing. The future updates will gradually increase the aggressiveness/speed.
I think is matter of time of course it have to be traines in different circumstances to update and train the software so that it could handle even India traffic driving rules 😅 I'm kiddin 😅
We always use Smart Summon to move our vehicles in and out of our garages for various purposes. We also use it when parking to place the car in the best spacing for vehicles around us.
Yeah - I use it in not-smart summon mode (just using the arrows on the phone screen) to just reverse out of a garage or something - but that's a much simpler thing for it to do than summoning from across a parking lot...plus, you're standing right next to it and can see every inch of what it's doing. When you're 200 feet away - and it's a MUCH more complex environment - the level of trust required is MUCH higher.
@@SteveBakerIsHere I was just making the point that we find it very useful right now.
Bruh 😭😭😭 I legit almost started the video with "First of all I want to say this software is perfect and should immediately be rolled out to everyone" 😂😂 but didn't do it
that's exactly what a gatekeeper would say
@@AIDRIVR 💀
@@AIDRIVRyou are a king among men 👑🤴
@@AIDRIVR😂😂
@@AIDRIVR Makes sense why I've been stuck on 12.3 for months on end
This is actually crazy stuff!
I like your videos so much more you go often over the limit for the car!
Dude. This is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen. How insane that we’ve arrived at a smart summon that works! How amazing. 10/10. Now time to summon the haters. 🤷🏽♂️
This is an excellent look at what robotaxi will look like: FSD without anyone in the car. Awesome stress testing, thanks for the upload!
12.5 (even on HW3) seems to be pretty close to being able to do unsupervised FSD. I haven't had a single safety-related intervention since I got it. Mostly, I get annoyed at it being excessively hesitant or driving too slowly for my taste. The things I don't like are on a level with not liking riding with a stranger. Matters of taste - not matters of substance.
Aka Waymo...
It's nice a thing to know its limits. This way you know when you're safe to use it and when not. Thanks for testing it!
Saturday, September 07, 2024 ... Hi. It did not damage itself or any other autos. It was as patient and methodical as a Waymo. According to what I witnessed in your video, I would give it a B+. I do not currently operate any vehicles, but what your video revealed was stunningly impressive. PEACE!
Really don’t get why some people think actual smart summon is a party feature. Maybe for now. But the goal has always been a safe unsupervised FSD that will be able to take you to work or school even if you’re sitting in the rear passenger seat, the car be able to park by itself in the parking lot or be able to drive back in the safety and security of your home garage or driveway by itself and be able to park at a spot specified by the owner (for people who have safety/security concerns parking their teslas at the public parking lot or do not want to park it in a parking meter), pick you up from work/school, then drive you back home safely.
There is a huge leap-of-confidence required between having it drive and you being able to take over at any instant - and having it (essentially) unsupervised. I mean, yes - you're able to watch it (maybe) and stop it dead. But the level of trust required is just psychologically much higher.
@@SteveBakerIsHerethere is no leap of confidence required. Regulators care only about data and Tesla has ALOT of data
I do get why people are skeptical. FSD aspirations have been overpromised basically since Tesla began to exist conmercially. We very easily could be 10+ years from what youre describing, and FSD isnt a transferrable feature, so for most it will have absolutely no impact on their buying decision for their current car. That matters. So overall, smart summon is a party trick and likely among the pinnacle of what consumers are paying for. You dont buy software for future potential.
On one side is this video. On the other is the guy that crashed his Tesla into his carport…
Does changing the minimum gap distance in the summon settings affect that abort to mitigate collision issue? My Model 3 won't park in my single car garage on the default summon settings. I had to lower it down to the minimum in order to get it to pull past my water heater.
@4:31 Looks like it drives into an area where there's a platform lift and a forklift working. Why cut the clip there???
No one gonna talk about the lady cursing at the car to reverse? 😅
He said enough about it in the video IMO
What about the fact that it actually finally started reversing just after that?!
@@EdwardMillen Hmmm - I don't think the car has external microphones and is decoding the speech of onlookers to change it's behavior!
@@SteveBakerIsHere You don't know what the car has. All i'm sayin is, it finally reversed after it was yelled at. I refuse to believe it's a coincidence because that's fun.
@SteveBakerIsHere it has camera's inside looking at your face 24/7 and you think it doesn't have external microphones? You can't even dig out your nose without Elon getting frisky over it 💀
thank you so much for all this, especially the dual views from both inside the Tesla and your phone. Keep up the great work😃
Basic people:I have a dog ,i walk it
This guy:I walk my Tesla
coming soon to a parking lot near you "No Use of Smart Summon Allowed: No ASS"
is the screen in the car like that when it is smart summon or does it just a filter on top
It's a filter added in the video editing, you can see it at @12:49 when his arm goes through.
Loving the tests man, real scenarios make this so much more interesting.
Hi! I keep seeing videos of FSD navigating through the city limits or on freeways. I've never seen, though, FSD navigating through an out-of-town two-way road. Like the coastal Highway 1 in California, for example. A road where a car might have to overtake a truck or a slow moving car and then go back to its directional lane. And where it has to follow the road marking. I'd love to see if FSD could handle that - overpassing while keeping in mind upcoming turns and obstructions of visibility, whether it could quickly pull back into its own lane before the opposite traffic comes too close, etc. If possible, please make this test and show us what it can do. Thanks!
Anxiously awaiting the day I can drive to the airport, then send my car back home until I return and then have it come get me :D
Or I'll be dead by then. Toss up.
Love how it doesn't fold out the mirrors because it does not need to
guess its locked... thats why...
Not me sitting here in Germany crying in bureaucracy 😭
Dude this is just amazing. Sure, we don't have anything close to these GARGANTUAN parking lots but I still want this feature nevertheless, not to mention an actually good autopilot ...
Amazing! It's like having a personal valet parker WHEREVER you go. So cool !!
i love that side mirrors were folded throughout the entire video during the summoning session
It would really be interesting to see a visualization comparing the software architecture of old smart summon vs the current!!
I really think the pedestrian safety aspect is a good thing. Better safe than sorry with an initial rollout
In the future, tesla: "My driver seems not intelligent enough"
You hold the button down the whole time or you have to let go when using “Go to Target” when cars in are in the way ?
All these locations looked sooo familiar! I thought I was just seeing things. But it looks like you shop in all the same places I do in the East Bay Area 😅😅
Really really great testing and explanation here thanks for sharing! Apparently we live in the same city, love going to that area.
I have to wonder though, when it comes to the 'range', you showed in your video that the reticent was 'outside' the range at one point (car had to go outside the 'circle' due to the path it needed to legally take) @ 3:25 ish...
Could it be that it kept going because YOU (the blue dot) were still in range the entire time?
Thanks!
thank you Burhan! 🙏
Nice stress test. If I understand it correctly, you can place the target anywhere and it will go there as long as you stay in the circle at all times. So, maybe you could put a target on the other side of town and then follow along in another car to keep inside the circle. That would give you essentially infinite ASS.
it does have a distance limit that it will go on summon though. idk what it is but he said he hit it
It seemed like the opposite way round from what he said and showed in this video - the target has to be inside the circle when you start it, but then it doesn't matter if you or the target move outside of it while it's driving (and the circle always follows the location of the car as it moves)
Or maybe you (i.e. your phone) do have to stay within the circle, I didn't notice him say that but it does look like he stays within it at all times anyway. But it definitely seemed like he couldn't set the target outside of the circle to start with.
No - it only works in private parking lots. It's still illegal for the car to drive unsupervised on city streets.
@@SteveBakerIsHere COSTCO parking lot is rather public, if you ask me 🙂
@@EdwardMillen it appears you have to set the target inside the circle (which is centered on you) and then while the car can route outside of that circle it will shut itself down if it gets out of that circle.
:D Funny opening. Also imagine an innocent bystander watching a driverless car following some random dude around.
Interesting video. Would love to see you test out smart summon during the rain. I have a model 3 and had the trial for FSD, can't trust it to drive properly during the rain.
How long ago was that? I have a Model 3 with full-on FSD - it drives through rain just fine...also sand storms!
@@SteveBakerIsHere had FSD in May 2024. Was also on a small road that had #30, FSD thought it was speed limit, so a big slow down from 80km/hr to 30km/hr during the rain. Personally, I just couldn't feel safe during the rain, and possibly snow.
@@sumitthongpale4452 So the fact that you're talking about km/hr rather then mph suggests that your'e not in the USA. So far, the very latest v12.5 FSD is only released in the USA - so you're running an old version. This discussion is about the LATEST version - which is a million times better than anything previously released. Be patient - v12.5 will get to whatever place you live in eventually.
Ultimately, at this point, the test is reliability. Waymo has delivered a L4 robotaxi but its critical to note they have 17,000 miles per disintervention, most of which are handled primarily by the car with assistance from an attendant. Waymo can also scale using mapping. Mobileye already proved that mapping the continental US is possible. Tesla should be able to take a similar approach but rather using training data for other countries. It will take time for Tesla to achieve this but it will be worth it.
I just want these body movement prediction arcs like in every other vehicle!
They look awesome! (The arcs that show how the body of the vehicle will move given a steering input)
Is that Don Pollo at 0:18 ?!
Still running FSD 12.3.6 on HW3 (2018 M3P). It regularly drives me to my brother's place half an hour away and back with zero interventions and deals with speed bumps and roundabouts like a pro. Can't wait to get FSD 12.5.X and try it out. I hope the speed variation issues will be sorted out by then. :)
6:43 lol
I'm not just gonna believe some random dude on the internet. Does he have a source???
@@ilyaholt8607 Do your greasy fingers know how to use google or only consume food?
i know i am a caveman when i truly never want to see driverless cars on the actual roadway.
Is this even legal to not have someone in the car in a busy parking lot with all those pedestrians? I want FSD to succeed too, but we can't just only show the good things it does. So far FSD in my car has never performed as well as a lot of these influencer videos show.
Nope, the tire did not in fact hit. The whole sound was made simply from the vehicle hard stopping. Read dirty Tesla's comment on that video in the comment section
@@jessestone117 got it, thanks for pointing that out. I edited my post.
Chances are you don't have the FULL FULL self driving, I'm pretty sure it's only out to a select few.
As for legal, it is, all of Tesla's creations and stuff are approved by the FAA, and not to mention it's still way safer than a human.
@@Luzzzzzo There is only one FSD, but it depends on what software version the car gets. I'm waiting on the version the OP in this video has. And no not everything Tesla has released was legal. Guess you forgot about how it used to not stop at stop signs, which is completely illegal. Often FSD doesn't even use the blinkers, which is illegal also. And the FAA only deals with aviation. I think you meant the NHTSA.
The statistics and roll-out page shows that as of now (Sept 5 morning) only two cars have got the update 2024.27.20. I do not understand how so many people are posting videos of actually smart summon and FSD12.5.3.
I noticed you park forward in the parking spot instead of backwards. How would ASS handle parking backwards, and up against a wall. Will it even come out of its parking spot if it can’t backup to check to see if there are any obstructions out front?
This is probably why we see those Model 3 test mules with front bumper cameras. It’s for RoboTaxi and for future Tesla vehicles. They won’t have to back up to check what’s up front. 🤔
If you have the car park itself - it always goes in backwards because the reversing camera is higher resolution. So if it parks itself, it can always leave enough room for the little back-up maneuver. Although - that doesn't prevent someone parking in the space right behind you and edging forward until bumper-to-bumper with you. These kinds of stupid corner-cases end up being super-annoying!
@@SteveBakerIsHere Very curious to see how Tesla will tackle these edge cases. They’re basically just chasing down those trailing 9s now.
I appreciate you stress testing this and assuming the embarrassment for us all 😅 I think the only real time I'll use it is if it's raining. I'd love to see you test it on the rain to see if performance is degraded any.
Not having the smart summon yet since no FSD in europe. However: the park assist is amazing compared to lots of other cars. I use it constantly since in some situations it manages to get the car parked in small spots faster than I can do it
Fantastic summary, great tests and footage. Still the gold standard for FSD videos. Thanks for the vid.
where can i buy that steering wheel cover?
the footage of the car chasing you through the parking lot is the funniest shit i've ever seen. you need to do this in a populated parking lot while playing terminator voicelines through the car.
What steering wheel wrap/cover do you have?
sounds like you got beef with Dirty Tesla...😂
totally understandable. dirty tesla is a bit sensationalist and sloppy with his videos. claimed he hit a curb when he actually didn't, etc.
@daiei276 he did later clarify there was no curb hit, just an overly harsh brake application.
Does the screen in the car really look like that or did you enlarge the left side of the 'normal' screen?
Enlarged
it’s edited, makes me feel good you couldn’t tell though 😃
Look at his arm at 12:47
@AIDRIVR It looks really good, I noticed that the path of the turning radius is a new feature from cybertruck added in 12.5.3?
Pretty impressive. Do you think it'll ever get approval for use outside of parking lots?
I like the vehicle paths they added to the visualization, similar to on high fidelity park assist on Cybertruck. Do you see those in park assist when you’re driving now? That could help prevent curbed rims.
That’s actually awesome! Now they need to integrate an LLM that runs locally and it will be a complete package.
If it backs up slightly to see what's in front of it if the first move is to go forward, what happens if you park backed in completely up against a wall? That would be a fun test. :)
It just, won't go backward?
@@Luzzzzzo he points out that if the first move it wants to do is go forward it backs up slightly to see if there's something in front of the bumper, if there's no space behind it to backup does it just lock up or does it go forward and hope?
So is smart summon finally on Teslas with Tesla vision ? I’ve had my 2024 model 3 for a few weeks now and it’s not an option currently
Wonder how this performs in the rain and snow, where people would actually use smart summon when they dont have an umbrella.
I doubt it'll be any different. It can drive just fine (in FSD) in dense urban areas in rain and snow - that's really no different than A.S.S - except there's a human there for emergencies. So CLEARLY it's able to see perfectly well in those situations...it's not like there are different cameras for ASS.
If there was no distance limit I would totally set it to follow me as I shop around town 😂
want to use summons to back out of my garage and down driveway to street +/- 80 feet away. problem is that driveway is very narrow - with pinch point of 8 foot total width in tightest location. summons won't go past this point. do I need to recalibrate cameras or manually set min distance perameters to 12"
Does it work with people in the car?
Yes
Is this the 2022 model with no Ultrasonic sensor?
I'm not sure whether to get a 2021 with the USS or the 2022 which I've heard uses no USS, but video instead.
Is 2021 model USS and 2022 video? Secondly, any pro/cons to them?
Nice to see it works in our area! I'll definitely be using it around Brentwood once I get the update for HW3.
AI driver out taking his Tesla for a walk 😂😂😂
I'll get a tesla when the car can come to me during a Florida monsoon.
What version are you on?
Oh my gosh, I used to live in California and I just realized you’re in Brentwood right now.😂
How can I not give a like after you call out @DirtyTesla for gatekeeping 🤣🤣
This isn't a gimmick, my mom is handicapped and uses it now to bring the car to her when she leaves a store or the doctor's office. Just wish it had a valet mode where it would either circle the parking lot while you do your thing inside or go find a parking spot on its own after dropping you off at the front of the establishment. I hope that's coming soon in an update. Then the next step would be to circle the block on public streets or find street parking nearby. Or maybe even go do some auto-Ubering while you do your business for a couple of hours and then come back to pick you up after making $40 or so for you.
When in FSD and hesitant I press the accelerator which seems to remove the fear?
Does it work well in multistory parking garages?
I think it'll also be interesting to see how it behaves around other FSD cars (including from other manufacturers), whenever that eventually happens.