Metalbear 81 it’s probably because UA-cam has pages of words that you can’t say or use to many times on their platform or else you get demonetized lol.
Why do you have to make this sound like a competition? Teach true principles and let others govern themselves! Our free Country can learn a lot from great people as these two!
I mean if you look 100% like a woman (like Blair does), I'll call you a woman without even thinking about it. But if you're a chick with a beard, that's a bit more complicated.
If someone where to express romantic interest in her I would be very clear that she is trans. If I were describing her to a waitress to seat her at my table when she arrived I would just label her as female because she looks like a female and if I said trans or male they would probably be confused and not associate her with those descriptions. Most trans people I have seen look trans. She really pulls it off flawlessly. The pronouns need to make sense. I’m not just going to go along with peoples delusions just so they feel good about themselves. That’s Essentially lying to them. However Blaire has very successfully transitioned and unless it was a medical person or someone who expressed romantic or sexual interest I her I would say trans because they need to know that biologically to date her or treat her medically it’s important under those circumstances that they understand she is a biological male that transitioned.
If a trans person is mid-transition and either doesn't look like the gender they want, or look ambiguous, they need to accept that they will often be misgendered. If someone can pass without anyone realizing they're trans, then I think they've (for lack of better term)"earned" the pronoun.
100% I feel like Ben’s stance with insisting on calling Blair a man is deliberately being awkward u see a woman it’s easier to say she insisting on not is just making it harder for urself.
Blair white makes me respect the trans community so much she helps me understand the complexity of it without the dismissing feeling of wanting everyone to conform to their pov
If the trans community would carry themselves like Blaire they would receive so much more acceptance, respect, and understanding. Stop being loud and demanding, work on and love yourselves, respect others views
I am a conservative. I am a follower of Ben. Blaire is the first trans person that I encounter that have common sense. Blaire is not delusional. Blaire, you have all my respect.
If someone is trans, but not obviously trans (such as Blaire, who looks and behaves like a biological female), this issue of pronouns is a non-issue. If a trans person has to tell you their pronouns, demand you use them and become insulted if you don't, they obviously are aware they aren't pulling it off.
@@robynology101 I can't pass as a Fabio... Because I look like a Homer Simpson... should I be sensitive about that and demand that the ladies treat me like Fabio?
This is the most civil debate I have ever seen on this topic. Both sides actually explained their point of view in a respectful way. They were able to find where they agreed and understand where they differ.
I love this because often one person from a group will blow it out of context and make everyone in the group look bad but this was just to people talking about what they agree and trying to understand the other side.
BOBBY LOVE - I truly think it's because neither have far right or leftist views. Blaire was respectful of him and understood the facts and the truth of his views and Ben was just objectively speaking the facts and the truth as he always does. Far right or leftist just like any extremists with any views can't accept a different view other than their own. I agree with Dr. Jordan Peterson on his stance on compelled speech. My sister is considering going through a transition and I love her to death and have her back 100% and have no problems with what she chooses for herself. All I want is for her to examine all the risks and all the facts before she makes a decision that important. I won't however be compelled or forced to suspend reality, truth or facts and betray myself for the sake of someone's feelings or arbitrary demands. If I am asked politely to accommodate someone, I would seriously consider it because I was respectfully asked. As long as I am free to choose, I'd be more open and willing to do so. This video and these types of conversations could mend many fences and build bridges of understanding between those with opposing views. But if you're an extremist or any kind of "ist-ist" than there is no way but their way and no view but their view and nobody gets anywhere with that kind of attitude or ideology. UA-cam is showing and proving my point by showing that they have extremist views on the topic by demonetizing this video and not allowing any exchange of ideas even if it is respectful. Respect and open mindedness is the core root to a civil compromise between all sides of the spectrum. Platforms like UA-cam, Google and Fakebook don't want views opposing their puppet master's which makes their far leftist views and agenda very transparent and disturbing with their censorship of free speech and expression.
True, this is why I'm happy about debates like the one with Laci Green & Sargon at Mythcon. While not all go well, it's good to at least see some discussion on disagreements rather than passive aggressive videos.
Cheers, Blaire. I'm a transman and I appreciate that you are representing us appropriately, and respectfully. This is the second time I have seen Mr Shapiro in a space where he has been given the freedom to share his opinions. It's great to see this. Keep up the great work 👍
No, you are a woman. Being a man is not a custom which you can pick wear. It is a biological fact. Every cell in you is male and it won't change after any genital mutilatiom.
The fact that when Blaire would start talking, Ben would actually stop himself and let Blaire talk shows that he's obviously not in "debate" mode and is much more relaxed and feels like he is just having a pleasant discussion.
@@delightfullyjoyfulmiracl3255 In debates where there is a bit more hostility I see him interrupt a lot. That's not a criticism btw. It happens because he's often interrupted himself, and like you said if they're talking for too long.
Boaz Johnson - Ben Shapiro satisfaction here is not the result of him speaking to a "rational" person, but to someone who agrees with his view. But honestly, Ben seems to get his greatest satisfaction when getting the upper hand in a debate with someone who opposes his belief.
As much as i dont like this obsession with pronouns, how hard is it to call a person like Blair a she? Even if you know she was born a male, what's the point?
MrM Rus: I didn't realize Blair was born a man until today. The few times I have watched you channel it never occurred to me that she was anything other than a very attractive woman with a reasonable point of view. Frankly it is not my business that she has or has not done privately, I am just happy to listen and evaluate the content of the discussion. I will address people as I see them.
This was so lovely and short and amazingly civil, if Blaire was having this conversation with some other UA-camr they would almost certainly be raising their voice, throwing around buzzwords, and disregarding Blaire's arguments. But this was amazing. An argument that would take 45 minutes with anyone else was cut by two thirds here and it's so refreshing.
@@thefaeriemerchant5826 "...no shame in calling her what she wishes to be called mate....". That's okay for those reality deniers who are fine with that. But what about those who are not ? Why not describe him for what he actually is....a highly effeminate homosexual who has a "boyfriend" ?
@@ChaoticNeutralMatt The overall point was to make it known, That when you're civil and Decent in any conversation. It goes better. And sometimes morphs from being something on the edge of harsh words, to a civil dialogue that encourages growth for both parties. Something we desperately need more of across the board. I know you see how most other Debates go regardless of topic.
I understand why you might say this but I still think we should call it a debate. A debate is simply a discussion in which parties put forward differing points of view. They certainly agreed on a lot but are still talking from different world views and putting forward different perspectives. The fact that it was a civil discussion does not stop it from being a debate.
@@teenagesatanworship I think you misunderstood the point of me highlighting that bit of facts about the nature of this conversation/debate. The point was to highlight how "Normal" debates go versus what we see here. Not a redefining of the word.
I'm of the opinion that Blaire should be called "her" for a simple reason: Blaire looks like a woman. That's what pronouns are meant to be used for, to quickly identify a person without any interaction to assess their history or identity. So, I'm of Blaire's opinion, base it on secondary sex characteristics for the sake of simplicity and ease of conveyance.
Xhesi L exactly. Practicality. So, if you see someone who looks female are you going to approach said person and ask if their biologically so? No, you call her a she. If you know she's a trans woman and be a dick about it, by all means, do it. Free country till it becomes Canada lolz.
Xhesi L Blair frequently identifies herself as a trans woman. This label ensures that any relevant information that might be concealed by her behavior, dress or exterior remodeling of her meatsuit (body) are conveyed quickly and effectively. As reality has not be redefined by her just referring to herself as a woman, I have no issues respecting her preference I use female pronouns. Basically if you are an biological male and want to live as a female, don’t say you’Re a woman, that isn’t true. You want to live as a woman and be treated as one, ie be a trans woman.
@@reverendrico5631whats your point. If a person treats a transwoman as a woman so then its a woman. Whats so confusing in this . A transwoman doesn't transition into a woman to be called he or to be treated like men. So its a woman
Here's why I love Blair: 1: She understands the importance of the "TRANS" within transgender. She had a goal she worked towards and went through her own hell to get there. It also makes it much easier to call her a "her" when she makes efforts to be presentable as a her 2: She doesn't believe the law or social rules revolve around her choices. She doesn't put herself on a pedestal or presume she's special because she transitioned
I agree, I saw the debate on the Rubin show, when she had the debate with Candace Owen's, and Candace said, you're a grown man, and Blaire seemed so un-phased and didn't care. Blaire has a level head.
As a transgender woman, I will never Ever claim I am a biological female, since I have XY chromosomes. However, I have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, had HRT therapies and surgeries to match my body to my mind. This has helped me 100% to live a happy and healthy life with 0 physical damage and unfunction. Since I pass as a female now, I do not wish to tell anyone I’m trans besides the person I’m dating. I haven’t had a single person uncomfortable by my existence and everyone is happy. As for the pronouns, since I have made effort to transition I think it is more convenient for me to be addressed by she/her pronouns since that’s what people do automatically. What I disagree with Ben is that pronouns aren’t onlybiological related. I think secondary sexual characteristics play a lot in pronouns.
agreed. Ben's argument is a little silly when it comes to practical application. if he called Blaire "he," people would be confused. it's not a "being nice" thing to use she/her, it just makes sense. so he'd rather know that someone is trans and then deliberately call them their biological sex? that just doesn't seem reasonable to me.
@@BelieveMontana I wouldn’t be confused, because Robert is a man. If people were fooled by his costume, then maybe they’d be confused, but it would still be correct to refer to him as a man, because that’s what he is. There’s nothing unreasonable about that
I y a n a because they were listening to each other witch and Blair is to blame a little on this as well. The Onision one was just attacking the otjer person
One thing I like about Blaire is she's self aware. She lives her life, but at the same time she's realistic when it comes to the real world. She's respectful and allow space for someone to have their beliefs without name calling. I admire that she's a logical person, and does not allow herself to be delusional. She knows she was born male and that will never change, but her appearance is female. And she doesn't impose unreasonable pronouns on others. Ben is not the villain people are trying to make him out to be. It is refreshing these days to see someone speak their mind without the fear of being called names.
Its kind of sad that non binary people have ruined the trans cause which makes people like Ben have to stay rigid in his use of pronouns to fight against the f*ckery of a million gender pronouns these people want to compel us to say. Blair looks like a woman and she transitioned to blend into society so that world would automatically perceive her as female. And if she wasn't a youtuber she would always be referred to as female since she looks like one. I agree with Ben on his stance but I still feel bad for Blair when he said he would refer to her as a he if he were to write an article.
The militant transsexual movement chooses the wrong battles, pronouns being a major example. What we should be doing is promoting tolerance, acceptance, and understanding of transsexuals. By nit picking over pronouns, it makes people feel like they're walking on eggshells; like they've lives will be ruined if they say one wrong word. That's extremely counter productive. And I don't think that most transsexuals care that much about pronouns; I think that's fueled by white liberals who exploit transsexuals and other designated victim groups for political gain.
As far as I'm concerned, if you look male, I'll use male pronouns, if you look, female, Ill use female pronouns. If I get it wrong, politely correct me and I'll correct myself. The only time Biological gender should EVER come up in conversation is... - For anything medical, The main reason is due to some drugs not playing nice with hormone treatments. (Or if surgery is required, the surgeon needs to know if they should expect to find a uterus or not) - Between couples, at the start of relationships, for obvious reasons. - Competitive sports - This one is important and NEEDS some defined rules, For instance, a person who has spent 2 years on hormones (To change sex) build wise is going to be on par with a cis person of that sex whome is that height. (excluding bone density and that difference in VERY minor) What Ben needs to understand, While I do see where he is coming from, There are many MANY people out there that WILL use this as an excuse to verbally assault trans people, These are the SAME people that are Racist and homophobic, they do it because they can and get away with making others feel like shit. If it wasn't for those people, then no one would care.
ua-cam.com/video/02FCYz8bOo8/v-deo.html You might want to look at the two recent Rationality Rules videos. This one has a lot of accurate science summations after he made an initial video not understanding the entire body of science regarding transgender men specifically. I would be curious to hear if you make the same claim you did after seeing what the totality of the body of science says. The original study published in academia and which people how make claims that you just did usually cite as research did not pass the peer review test and has been discredited as having an agenda and not being an accurate representation.
Ben does understand that. What trans apologists don't understand is that they have become the very thing they fight against by implying that someone's life should be destroyed because they didn't use the correct pronouns via slip of tongue, or because biology and science dictate the outcome of a person's make up. Anyone can use any reason to discriminate and Trans discriminate against cis people with authoritarianism. Just because some dip shits who incorrectly discriminate against trans or anyone doesn't mean that now everyone is guilty until proven innocent. No one should discriminate against anyone period. We should all be treated the same.
Verbal assault, oh no! Lmao, God forbid people make fun of you, what is this world coming too? Suck it up butter cup, this is the real world, quit your bitching and whining!!
Haha, that's a little dangerous though. I and peeps above get what you mean, but that statement can rightfully offend people (I'm not only talking about transgender). I live in Canada though, so I gotta avoid being fined by trying to conform (though it's disturbing to try). Personally, I will always disagree though. I personally see transgender males and females as either feminine males or masculine females.
Looks can be deceiving. Nor will I deceive myself and other people by calling a man a woman and a woman a man because they dont want to be what they are from Birth.
I refer to someone as "she" or "he" according to how the person appears to me, regardless of their history. I couldn't refer to Blaire White as "he" or "him" because I feel like I'm dealing with a woman. It would feel incongruous. Sadly, if I'm dealing with person who's 6'3", muscular, broad-shouldered, deep-voiced wearing a dress and make-up, I'm going to feel like I'm dealing with a man, and I would probably just avoid gender pronouns with the person, which is not that hard to do. But this whole movement of "I'm a woman because I say I am" is nonsense, and making things harder for trans women who do the work and want to live inconspicuously as just another woman the world. The current "trans rights" activists make it look like all trans people are insane and intolerant. I'm not even going to start to comment here on the utterly destructive insanity of medical transition of non-adults, because that could be a book.
I agree, I think the worst pronouns are they/them... those words literally mean more than one person or referring to someone in the third person plural term
Blaire is known for watering down activist rage to be more palatable to a conservative audience. It's much easier for people to accept a beautiful white woman who goes out of her way to tolerate transphobia than a poor, trans person who doesn't pass very well and doesn't care if you get triggered when they actually devote their time to talking about issues facing the trans community.
entertain7us14 I don't think she showing toleration for transphobia. I think she is showing that just because I might not be willing to say exactly what you want me to say when I don't believe it, is acceptable. She seemed very okay with idea that trans women and bio women are not the same and understands Ben's view on it. I believe it boils down to being able to accept that your way of thinking isn't the only way and just be someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean it's a sort of phobia.
Ok that's totally fair, but I've always had a problem with the "agree to disagree" point when the thing you're disagreeing with is whether or not a particular group of people should have their experiences acknowledged and validated by society. When one person says "I believe trans people exist and are valid and we should call them whatever they ask to be called" and the other person says "I disagree", you're not having a polite disagreement over a trivial matter of opinion, you're having an existential conflict over whether or not to treat an entire group of people as equals. I don't accept the view that someone as smart as Ben who has access to all the information he wants (ie he cant use ignorance as an excuse for his bigotry) holds an opinion that is just as valid and 'harmless' as that of an actual trans person or trans ally/activist. People like Ben devalidate trans people's experiences, call them delusional, insinuate that they don't even exist. That's not really an inconsequential viewpoint - it's extremely harmful and feeds in to a society that is already extremely hostile to trans people and their identities. I guess what I'm saying is that I have a problem with people who give bigoted, hateful, ignorant viewpoints and EQUAL seat at the table. I don't like those viewpoints to be normalised. Having a trans person debate a transphobe is inherently suggesting that both viewpoints are valid and up for debate. Obviously that doesn't have to happen when it's a balanced debate where he's called out for his bullshit, but when you 'agree to disagree' you're sending an extremely harmful message that transphobia, while you may disagree with it, is still an acceptable perspective and there's a protected place for it in public discourse.
phanbandtrash yet again , social media everybody acts mad bold , no shocker . In real life in a face to face convo people don’t act as crazy . So being civil is normal and should be normal
Sky He i never said it shouldn’t be normal, it’s just that out of control arguments and lack of understanding are what’s generally seen on the media and in a lot of people
phanbandtrash it’s not what I see . The people I follow are people like Blaire that don’t act that way , there are many people like Blaire and Ben you choose what type of people you support and surround yourself with and don’t follow the bs
Sky He i never said I did follow these people lmao I just said I saw it. Also Ben loves to act/say a lot of reactionary dumb things too so I don’t rlly think he’s an exemplary person to pick out. He was calm in this conversation but he’s definitely done and said a lot of ignorant things.
I can't imagine why else it would get demonetized.. Other than the fact that you 2 had a realistic honest conversation and there was no guilt tripping..
She talked to two conservatives and then was immediately demonetized. Weird. UA-cam couldn't possibly have a political agenda, right? It's not like they ever banned a sitting president or anything.
You identified the problem; UA-cam doesn't want civility; they just want as much venom and demonization of conservatives as possible to support the super far left woke agenda. So when a prominent transsexual is willing to have an intellectually based conversation with someone who is portrayed by the super far left woke agenda as a nazi, they're very uncomfortable with it. If others follow that example, it could dramatically reduce the unnecessary tension in society these days.
The activists naritive is to destroy. The activists did not like this! I do, I watch both of you often! ❤ I was so excited to see it! Makes sense though, best conversation I've ever "witnessed". Ty let's see more!
I don't really agree with Ben,he is sometimes right and other times,he is but I just don't agree. But I'm glad he can be somewhat respectful [Some way not agree with the fact he's "respectful" so I add that somewhat.]
@@ryantiller5624 I'm honestly finding that out now watching him in a few interviews, because I don't keep up with American politics closely enough to have actually heard him speaking publicly. The way leftist media has completely demonized him is impressive.
Indeed, he is in his safe space where he knows he is not going to be confronted with facts and logic and is not threatened and therefore doesn't have to pretend to be smart. He can be his actual self, confidently dumb.
i love Blair, a transwomen that actually looks, talks and acts like a biological women and isnt a parody of us biological women. first time i watched her i didnt even know she was a transwomen...this mockery of a woman that is this dylan mulvaney or whatever his name is a total shame to even remotedly call himself a women he is a sad joke....Blair if every transwomen was like you there would be no issue to talk about....love you, you are super smart interesting and beautiful...
@@tropicalsundaeBlaire is a transwoman not a woman. Even Blaire herself will tell you that. She respects the differences and doesn't live in fantasy land. I 100% agree on everything you said about Dylan
She is a woman she is a transwoman but she is not a biological woman both are women and we all know there are differences but she is a woman just not a biological woman. Thats just my point of view dont lynch me please.@@phoenixforce6595
I personally will call trans women, women/she/her etc because it's just a lot easier in the real world. On top of that if a trans women looks like blaire you'd have to be absurd to call her anything other than she/her because physically she looks like a beautiful woman and that's how she truly feels. So i don't see the big deal over using those pronouns, I see where Ben is coming from but it just does not correlate in real world applications like blaire said. Well done blaire!
If we allow bias perceptions to dictate language then you open the door for people to misidentify other shit based on their bias perception. We should not go hijacking established sex based terms to describe humans who do not meet the criteria. By this logic, whatever appears to be a racist act based on stereotypes should be acknowledged as a racist act.
I'm gonna call a transgender person their pronoun if they actually look like the gender they change to. I'm not calling a dude in a dress a "her", they're clearly not putting any effort, why should I? It may sound selfish but there are limits to what you can expect of people.
"Whatever makes you happier and healthier makes your happier and healthier" Many people would be surprised how open Ben is to individual choice as long as it's not hurting others or being pushed on society.
Well Ben is a libertarian. Libertarians believe they can disagree with people's lifestyles or actions and still agree with their freedom to do so as long as they don't create victims.
@@imlivinglikejimmorrison5562 ..that's a he. Just because you put on a pound of makeup, grow your hair out, and get a shit ton of plastic surgery, doesn't magically turn you into a woman. Blair is what you would call a " feminized man "
Louise Belcher I think it's clunky to use "they" but at least it fits into normal language better "ze" or any other variation. I know a non-binary person and it is pretty easy to use "they".
As someone who is adopted, when around other people and asked about my parents, I say "my parents are" not "my adopted parents are" Lmao. If I tell someone I am adopted and they ask well where are your "adopted parents", I say Yes I am adopted, my parents are over there." Like does this make sense to anyone else than me? Yall understand what I am saying?
As most people would. He's stating that there is a difference between adopted and biological. You're not any less their kid for that nor are they any less of a parent, it's just a fact that they didn't create you from their own DNA.
Well that's another issue for debate I'm adopted and the people who adopted me became abusive and neglectful the split second I showed signs of being lgbt, so no I'd never refer to them as anything but adoptive, is never accept their kind as family
@@FrancineL81 yeah I think it's different in that sense. If you choose to call the adoptive, your choice, but you want to just call them your parents there is no harm.
if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, callin it a duck. if you don't wanna do that that's your choice, and if someone politely asks me to call them something I will oblige but I wont call you made up pronouns. that's where my niceness ends
I have used this line many times where I work. "I dont care what you want to be called, male or female...pick one and stick to it" Not one of them looked like Blair White, but all wanted to be called female...what a world.
This is why i respect the the hell out of you blaire. You are willing to have a conversation instead lynching someone for their opinion. Imagine if the rest of the lgbt community had your mentality and others like you. People would actually take the time to listen and try to understand your position. you're proof of that. I'm not part of the lgbt community in anyway and normally don't want to get involved because my beliefs on the matter can well cause most people in the lgbt community to lose their collective shit, but i've never gave a fuck what people do. But i'll be damned if say my opinion on the matter because of how it's all to often weaponized against people outside the lgbt community for simply asking questions or just stating their side. If it weren't for you i'd never would have bothered to even attempt to understand because of how, sadly, more often then not i would have been met with animosity and hate...and a pink slip. You help people understand instead of driving them out. I 100% believe you are the best thing to happen lgbt community rather know it or not. Keep being awesome you beautiful soul shinning in a world of bitterness and hate from both sides of the coin!
I agree with what you’re saying here but I am also not part of the 🏳️⚧️ Community (not directly, someone I love very much is trans tho), and maybe that’s why we feel this way. I to say that Blair is the best thing to happen to a community we are not part of would be slightly ignorant, no? My girlfriend has a trans son and I’m sure that neither of them would fully agree to everything Blair has to say. She has haters. I really respect her views but I try to see all sides. But that is what makes Blair White so awesome! She tries to get people from all sides to talk to. Unfortunately there are a bunch of people that see these Great conversations as attacks.
Blaire is a good listener. She listens, she thinks, and answers carefully. The reason Ben shapiro says facts don't care about feelings is that he is giving the reason he might sound rude. While some facts might offend people he says that quote to show that he has nothing personal against them but that it's just the facts.
We have lost the art of graceful disagreement. This is especially true in politics. I enjoy listening to people that don't share my views to stress test if I'm right or need to change course.
OMG so much yes. I do the same as well. I think we should constantly be questioning and testing ourselves. I try to keep an open mind and understand others who I disagree with, even those with views that upset me. I think if we tried to understand each other there would be less hate in the world.
I think Blaire hit the nail on the head when talking about adoptive parents. In conventional social interactions, no one is going to bother with distinctions and keep calling them your adoptive dad, or your adoptive mom, they'll just say your mom or your dad. And specifically in this case, if someone wants to refer to your biological parents, they will specify it by calling them your biological parents, because in the scenario of adoption, your adoptive parents become sort of the norm and so for the sake of simplicity, when talking about your "parents", we would be talking about the adoptive parents, since 99% of conversations will involve them, but for the 1% of the conversations that refer to your biological parents, they will be specified so that it's not confused with the norm of who is typically thought of when someone just says "parents". Same can be applied to trans people - there ARE scenarios in which you would have to specify that you are a trans woman, but for the sake of everyday social interactions, 99% of the time it would be more useful and less confusing to call you a woman with female pronouns. It's not to say that this makes you a biological woman (just as calling adoptive parents simply "parents" does not make them biological parents), but it is something that adheres to common sense in a social environment.
Exactly. Similarly for me, I have 2 younger siblings who are biologically my half-siblings because they have a different father than I do. But my mom married their father when I was only 4 and I never knew my biological father, so my earliest memories of any father are of him and I always called him dad and bonded with him as though he was my biological father. And likewise I bonded with and lived life with my younger siblings from their birth on into all of our adulthood as though we are full siblings even though we all know we are half-siblings. That objective truth however does not manifest in our realities or relationships, though. And if it comes up with acquaintances that we have different biological fathers and they refer to us as "half-siblings" we all are quick to acknowledge the technical truth of that but that we refer to each other (and truly see each other in a practical sense) as full siblings. And of course no one has ever insisted on continuing to call us half-siblings whenever they refer to us because that would be pedantic, rude, and unnecessary. I understand why Ben feels the need to stick quite strictly to his refusal to refer to a trans person by their transitioned gender expression in any public forum, but I believe he and most reasonable everyday people wouldn't have much of a problem called a person who overtly and consistently for all practical intents and purposes presented as a different gender by those pronouns in day to day life.
Good debate. At first I was afraid to watch it because I don't like seeing two people I truly like and respect go at each other but I am glad I did. It proves to me that my like and respect for these two are truly well placed.
I agree although I'm one that thinks we have corrupted the meaning of the word "respect". I will be courteous to anyone on initial contact not because I respect them but out of self respect. My behaviour reflects who I am and I respect myself too much to treat others without showing them the courtesy they deserve and behaving as a mature adult should. To receive my respect, they must earn it, through their behaviour and the integrity of their character. I can even be courteous to someone that I have no respect for. As an example....I worked as a bartender for years. Every customer was afforded courteous service and deference. That does not mean I respect them. I respect the way they conducted the dialogue and that goes a long way to earning my respect for them as human beings. I don't want to appear to be nitpicking but it bothers me when someone expects respect when I know nothing about them. However, I wholeheartedly support the basic sentiments that you're trying to express in your comment.
Catra Meowmeow Still, you will be called either she/he depending on your appearance in public. It sucks for trans people that don’t pass well, but it’s just how society works.
I’m a conservative Christian and student of theology and church history. This is the first time I’ve been able to relate to and consider a transgender point of view in a reasonable discussion. I can tell you Blaire actually makes me hopeful that a common ground can be found for a civil dialogue between trans-people and conservatives. It’s incredibly refreshing to see two people from different sides of this issue allow one another the freedom to speak openly without fear of offense, and without attacking each other, and then watch a healthy discussion blossom that has the potential to change hearts and minds. Thank you to Blaire and Ben for this video.
Agreed, I'm a Christian conservative as well and a fan of both Blaire and Ben. It's nice to have conservatives from all walks of life and these two embody the beauty of dialogue and discourse.
Bryant E Yes and no. Being empathetic to opposing arguments doesn’t make you necessarily conservative nor liberal. She primarily criticizes trans issues, but that’s coming from someone who’s IN that community, and generally left-leaning because of it (maybe not, but she hasn’t really discussed social issues outside of the LGBT community so we can’t be sure). However, her political leanings aren’t even that important. I think what IS important is that Christians and more conservative types like OP and those who fall under a more liberal slant like myself can open up a productive discussion about a sensitive topic. Empathy is the first key to progress.
@@devinodriscoll I agree, being empathetic to discussion and discourse are supremely important- especially in this day and age when the far left has taken control of the narrative on various issues. Blaire and Ben have demonstrated this well, and they are a good example of the kinds of people who appreciate civil discourse. As many have said, one of the main differences between liberals (in the classical sense) and leftists is that liberals tend to welcome these discussions, whereas leftists tend to discourage it!
I didn’t know for a couple of videos too. In 2020 there are still trans-activisits online making videos, tweets, tiktoks etc saying Blaire shouldn’t make content about trans issues because she is a cisgender woman.
If all trans people were as self aware, level headed and respectful as Blaire, there would be no contention towards the community at all. I absolutely love that she understands what she biologically is, what can and cannot be changed, but most importantly, doesn't force herself on anyone. I'm much like Ben in the pronoun department, but I have no issue referring to Blaire as "she" because she's gone through the difficult transition to get where she is, and at the end of the day, I know she'd still make "balls" jokes like she did on that Onicion vid 😂😂😂
She is where she is because she’s privileged and rich enough to make it happen, a lot of people suffering from gender dysphoria aren’t as privileged as she/he is and can’t have the treatment/surgeries that make them as passable as Blaire, yet Blaire thinks it’s okay to rip on them and tell them they’re not trans? That’s my problem with him/her.
@@blindfollower atleast make an effort.. If you don't have money for transition, atleast shave the beard off. Shaving set is not that expensive you know.
@@blindfollower what is this privilege that you're talking about? she made it clear on her video from half a year back titled, (Reacting to tiktokers who REALLY HATE ME) that she was raised in family on drugs basically had to support and work for herself and her own transition surgery and to work til this day. the only people (that i know of) she excludes of being trans are minors from my understanding.
@@blindfollower Bro, actually watch her vids. She came from near-poverty, and had a pretty shitty upbringing. She's not privileged - she earned the pennies needed to transition.
While i agree that Blaire is not a biological woman, i disagree with ben's reason for not wanting to use female pronouns for trans women. Unlike words like "biological woman", pronouns are used for social reasons based on appearance. It's not a scientific term you'd misuse.
GreatDaneLegend aka GoldDoGGY totally agree here.. pronouns are not scientific terms and therefore, scientific accuracy is NOT necessary when using them in everyday conversation. I don't know why Ben is so hung up on this.
That's what certain people are trying to change gender to be.. But society has always equated gender & sex to be the same. Until ya'll get the majority opinion on this, it'll continue to be this way.
@@liamhi8400 i had a conversation with my buddy about this exact topic once. My thoughts are this... its just something you have to quantify in your own mind how you truely feel about the person. Ultimately if the issue is that you identify as straight and you are wondering if this changes that or if you wouldnt want people to know for fear of being judged then why bother using straight as an identifier? OOORR think of it this way... You are straight, you get a boner for women, you do not get a boner for someone who is or looks like a man, the person you have this deep loving connection for is somewhere in the middle but deffinitely passes as female. This wouldnt make you gay you just love who you love. The only thing that matters is how you feel about the person and whether or not you want to stay true to that or distance yourself from it. Choice is choice and nothing will take that away from us. I am straight myself but Blair is still the most fuckable biological man i have ever seen xD and i have no issue saying that and it still doesnt change the fact that I still am attracted to women. Hope that helps buddy. Edit: Also if you didnt know before hand and you found out because things were getting frisky then i would say that you wouldnt be in the wrong for feeling deceived. But also you would still have to deal with your feelimgs.
What a wonderful conversation! Thank you to both of you for RESPECTFULLY having a discussion and hearing each other out. This just goes to show what can be achieved when we have a logical, calm discussion.
Prior to watching this video, I was angry with Ben Shapiro for his lack of empathy. This helped me realize that he's not trying to attack anyone, and that he's simply presenting a rational perspective, while still having the capacity for respect. Thank you
@@Rugybrat Who refers to gay/feminine men as not being real men? I don't believe this and I'm sure the majority of sane people don't. Why is it that there are so many people on the left who are happy with grouping people that don't believe in their ideologies into a single catergory. Isn't the point to strive for connection and equality. It seems all the left want is more division between people. It's easier to demonize others rather then listening to a different opinion but it comes from people who claim to be tolerant it all seems a bit backwards to me.
I think as a straight white conservative male that blair is fundamentally right,why not just be nice?the only issue I have is with the government compelling me to use certain forms of speech. Thats a slippery slope in my opinion.i have no problem referring to people in the fashion that they prefer. Its not a big deal or that difficult to just be nice..
I totally argee. It makes no sense to me to be rude to some oneelse. I have been misgendered many many times. I have never gotten all pissy about it. Meh.. whatever.. Btw I am a biological male, with long blonde hair and do have pierced ears, slightly feminine features. Still don't care, no reason to be rude when someone has made a mistake, and also no reason to be rude and not call a she a she and a he a he.
I personally think words a lot of power, ans after being repeated something over and over, it is ingrained into someome's mind. From there it would be very easy for one to forget that fundementally they are truly what they used to be and involve themselves in a situation which would cause trouble. For example a trans women is stronger than a biological women and if the trans woman hits the bio woman out of a sudden anger, that could be the end of someone.
@nooope __, If you looked like a woman, I would call you a woman.. If you looked like a man, I would call you a man.. If you looked like a woman but I found out you were a man, I would call you a man so not to cause confusion in my head.. No hate
@Akshay Kumar On a personal level he doesn't, but historically presidents have a diplomacy and foreign relations aspect to their job, in which case being civil and respectful is pretty important. He definitely has the right to not be civil in most cases, but theres a way to be respectful and truthful, honest, or even blunt at the same time.
@Akshay Kumar I definfitely get it! Although I dont agree with him on a lot of things, I dont think that he is obligated to be nice. Especially if hes following through on his promises
Blair doesn't say she's a woman, she says she's a trans woman. That's why I respect her, she's not delusional, she doesn't claim womanhood, she doesn't expect anyone else to say she's a woman, she knows what a woman is. She's very vocal about it, and I greatly respect that.
The whole point of language is to facilitate communication. If you point at Blaire and say “him” no one is going to understand what the heck you’re talking about because Blaire looks more female than 90% of biological women, therefore communication is lost and it’s simply unnecessary and stupid.
idrawpeople But not every trans person is gonna look like Blaire some still look and are built like a dude and makes it harder to clarify which is the point Ben was making
idrawpeople "Blaire looks more female than 90% of biological women". My god, what kind of females are you surrounded by? Post menopausal landwhales, trigglypuffs, and non binary walefare queens the likes of monica punk?
Blaire takes a logical non reactive stance on this topic which is a huge breath of fresh air. So many people get instantly triggered and lose all ability to use logic.
Refering to passing trans person with their biological pronouns sounds so forced. I bet Ben during fluent, quick conversantion would slip "she/her" while talking about for example Blaire at least once...
nah sorry i still don’t get it. it doesn’t make sense to refer to someone like Blaire as ‘he’ at any time. Even though it’s reasonable to acknowledge the fact she’s trans in the context of biology, no one would ever think of her as a male at face value
agree. blaire looks very much like a biological woman so it makes so sense to misgender her even on accident, and the only times her biological sex should matter is either with a doctor or in a romantic situation. I honestly was so confused this whole "debate" wtf even was ben's argument?
babushka it goes against his beliefs to call a man a women and use pronouns for a women if they are not a biological women it’s his beliefs respect them even if you disagree just like Blaire does
That's his point. There is a point on apparence from others and subjective reference to self. If you appear to be man, most people will call you a man. This is because people use description of objects in easiest way possible. But forcing someone to describe an object is another thing. This difference is nuance and context of the descriptions, but from the recent history it seems to be intimidation to force people to describe gender and sex in a particular way.
I'm 57 years old. For me, I don't see any problem with politely calling someone a she if she prefers to be called thus, (even if I think she is a he). I honestly don't see the problem. It's just the nice thing to do. I draw the line at mandating it through laws...
Yes, it should be about politeness. And I totally agree about the legal aspect of it. There doesn't need to a law requiring people to use a particular pronoun. However, while we should definitely give people latitude if and when they make a mistake in the pronoun used, this extension of latitude shouldn't be used as a shield for malicious intent. There should always be consideration of context.
Jeffrey Dean But that's not reality, you don't go up to every person and ask what gender would they like to be called. Also some do not want to be called he or she which could be even more confusing hence the reason why Ben said he would ask for the person's name which people usually do.
I think you should call people what you want to call people. That's it. You don't get to decide which words i use. I don't get to decide which words you use.
seanjaja97 yh I get it's subjective, and respect is much more important imo. It's just harder if they look exactly like they did before they were trans ygm
Maeve sure I get it's most polite, but you don't have to be polite. Don't get the government to tell me what pronouns to use on someone or shout at me if I use the wrong ones. Just be respectful and I'll respond with the pronouns you want
I was kind of nervous for Blaire because Ben tends to talk fast and speak in absolutes, but she held her own soooo well. I love both of them so much, and I’m happy to see them sort of getting along.
It wasn’t a debate. There was just a conversation. They both share a lot of the same views. They both are pretty objective when it comes to this topic.
I don't know if they've ever met (they do live close to each other) but they are more like good acquaintances. Really the majority of conservatives on UA-cam are.
Thanks Blaire, I've always respect Trans women like you. I must admit, I really lost my faith in this whole woke movement. Personally, I think they have put the Trans movement back in the dark ages. You're a breath of fresh air to see some sanity with Trans people again. I wish you lots of love and peace.
I can see where Ben is coming from with wanting to stick with what is objectively true and not giving in to emotion-based arguments, however I don't quite agree with him on this point. Essentially I think pronouns should come naturally, that's how they function, and if you look at someone and read them as male or female then that's how you'd refer to them. Sometimes it's obvious that they're biologically one sex but clearly trying to present as the other, and that still to me makes it feel quite natural to refer to them as they'd prefer. I instinctively read Blaire as a woman and it would feel unnatural and take conscious effort to refer to her with male pronouns. What this also means, though, is that I end up kind of agreeing with Ben regarding trans people who make absolutely no effort to actually transition yet still demand you use their preferred pronouns. If I met someone looking like Ben and he asked to be referred to with female pronouns I'd just be confused. Another kind of relevant thing is that stubbornly using pronouns based on biological sex doesn't really serve a purpose, you know? Like, me referring to Blaire with male pronouns isn't beneficial to anyone, it's not how most people would naturally refer to her and it frankly is just making a stubborn statement, to me. Even if a trans person doesn't "pass" as well as Blaire does, there really is no real-life advantage to referring to them as their biological sex. HOWEVER, it kind of pisses me off when SJW-types absolutely refuse to even acknowledge that trans people's gender doesn't match their biological sex and wouldn't even use it in contexts where it's ACTUALLY relevant, like in medical contexts where your biology absolutely does matter.
Oh, I'd like to add one thing: The fact that transgenderism is a medical diagnosis is in a way, to me, a biological basis for referring to them as the gender they identify with. It's not something they just made up for fun, it's something in their actual biology making them that way.
"Even if a trans person doesn't "pass" as well as Blaire does, there really is no real-life advantage to referring to them as their biological sex" Yeah but what advantage is there to referring them to their preferred pronoun? Somehow someone is worse for not wanting to do something that is unnecessary. If I don't have to refer to them as their pronoun than why should I?
The God you never knew The advantage is that it is their preferred pronoun, and it is a respectful, decent thing to refer to someone as they prefer, rather than for you to refer to someone as you prefer just because you don't like it
How lucky was I to stumble across your channel? You are such an inspiration to me and so many people. Before I found channels like yours I thought I was a nonbinary transgender woman, but thanks to you I now realise I am just a bisexual man, thank you so much, love you!! Edit: LOL, thx for all the support!
I would call you "she" Blair. I'd call you anything you want. That's just manners. But I'm not in favor of a law to force anybody to do it. We shouldn't be legislating bad manners. Thanks for your show.
You call her zim or ze? Would you call me your majesty? No you wouldnt. Your manners would be subjectively applied and that would be idoicy. I dont know who is right but this manner argument is stupid.
That is ridiculous...yes we would call Blaire she or her but if it was a trans woman that you were ringing up that person's groceries at your job and that person TOTALLY looked like a dude and you called that person "sir" and they got pissed cause they consider themselves a "woman" but totally look like a man...then what?
She is the first transgender person to have all my respect and admiration. You are so level-headed and reasonable, which is becoming rarer and rarer. I'm glad I came across your account because I was beginning to lose hope in humanity, so many people seem to be losing the ability for common sense and it's scary when you have small children.
Same here. I had to watch that video in pieces due to my schedule, and to be honest, I couldn’t finish it because I felt myself getting nauseated every time Yaniv opened his mouth... this was very refreshing.
M. Bellelove Yes, for sure. Because Blair cares more about being practical, while Ben always looks at biology as the main thing. But at the same time, Ben agrees with Blair when it comes to being practical and Blair agrees with Ben when it comes to biology.
I value practicality. Most people I interact with, I interact with them only on a practical level. I'm very selective about whom I interact with biologically.
Yeah, except that in the treat made to Ben in that situation, Ben actually called the trans woman SIR. If I was a trans woman, it would react the same fucking way. Ben was being really provacative in that particular situation.
@@renatinho_cabeleira I think it was rude and unnecessary, but it inadvertantly proved a point. No one there would've accept a threat of violence from someone like Ben to any of his opponents even if they mislabeled him as a Her simply to prove a point against him. Nor would they accept it if he were labeled something insultingly incorrect like a homophobe or racist. If you would grab someone physically and threaten them with violence if they misgendered you on purpose, I strongly disagree with that method. I don't think most trans people, or most people in general, would ever stoop that level when deeply insulted during a televised debate and have never seen that anywhere else.
The calmest conversation between and trans person and ben ever. It's nice to see that both Ben and Blaire can be so level headed talking about a difficult situate
Two of the most reasonable people on UA-cam. Just weird to watch such a civil and intelligent conversation without SJW style hysteria. SOMEONE SHOUT OR SOMETHING! Love your work, both of you.
+Wahlez: Isn't it sad? That the norm has become shouting matches and shitshows and insults? That we are *IN SHOCK* when we see discussions that go the way discussion is supposed to go. We are living in upside down land.
I love both these people.. as a trans woman i think Mr. Shapiro gets a bad rap from people thinking he hates of people. I have always found him educated and respectful. I worry about the younger generations is quick to change the definitions of words to suite them and get mad if we don’t like to conform. I am very aware of being a biological man but am a trans woman. .i agree with Blair and always have as well as Ben. I would be friends with these people on any day.
I disagree with his political views, but he actually seems like a really nice person. Sometimes disagreeing with someone makes you think they are horrible. Thank you Ben for reminding me people aren’t bad for believing differently.
Ideologically Ben Shapiro is suppose to be my enemy. On Twitter though he is the funniest political commentator. I wish other talking heads had his humor
Nik I mean...I think that's over an simplification but ultimately agree. In general I think Shapiro has made hypocritical statements without seeing his own double standard
Nik lmao. What friggin planet are you on?!? Here’s a clue... if your default answer to anybody that is not a lock step socialist ideologue is something along these lines ... you are an idiot incapable of articulating even simple points ... maybe go learn how to make a point before puking all over the youscape
Everyone misunderstands Ben. He doesn't misgender on purpose to stand by his beliefs, he just doesn't want people confusing each other into believing something that isn't true. He doesn't want biological males wrestling in a women's league, and he doesn't want biological females in the boy scouts. Ben has a worldview where physical truth comes first, and personal preference comes 2nd. So when you have a biological male demanding everyone say she's the same as a biological female because it's her personal preference, Ben has a problem with that because it's objectively not true in a physical sense.
I agree except that he refuses to call "passing" trans women by their preferred pronouns. They aren't asking to wrestle is a women's league, they're just presenting in a female way. I think he needs to get over this opinion where he calls passing trans women he. It just creates confusion.
@@ihavenoideawhatgoeso why did you assumed he's a bad person when he talked about The truth!? If i assumed myself as kryptorian would you said to The people who called me as human was a bad person!?
While I don’t completely agree with either of them, I can really appreciate how they handled this. this was extremely civil and respectful and that’s admirable.
The question wasn't directed at me, but if it was, I'd say, whatever. I think people worry about things too much. Call her a she and be on your way. She's not asking to be called a biological female. Frankly, it's more important to me at this point in time to drive to the store and buy a pizza.
@@MateoKupstysChica yeah but your truth + mine is still a good way to change someone's mind about the smaller things. Like him calling her a woman she/her after initially being clear he'd only refer to Blair or people like her by their name or their chosen pronouns yknow. He still changed in that area
Video demonetized upon upload, OF COURSE. Join us over on Patreon at www.patreon.com/blairewhite
*Waifu+Husbando*
For what reason??
Callum McKenzie She's not an SJW
Callum McKenzie Because apparently it isn’t advertising-friendly to have a saying in something
Blaire White I loved that you two had an open discussion and this is how more people should be doing things.
Why was this demonetized? 2 people having an adult conversation & UA-cam doesn’t like that?
Probably because they said "sex" lmao
UA-cam probably flagged it simply because it mentioned Ben Shapiro.
Cuz their not screaming and interrupting each other, and she's not demonizing Ben for no reason.
Metalbear 81 it’s probably because UA-cam has pages of words that you can’t say or use to many times on their platform or else you get demonetized lol.
@@queendeshanira6096 didnt know that thanx
Ben Shapiro DESTROYS Trans woman with .... agreeing... and... a civil conversation..?
Ben destroys trans woman through civility hahaha I love it. These conversations expand my mind
Why do you have to make this sound like a competition? Teach true principles and let others govern themselves! Our free Country can learn a lot from great people as these two!
@@PaulHowardNetwork r/whoosh
@@DatlTAE ikr
@MultiTarded troll
I don't really think this was a debate. This seemed like a discussion, and a nice one at that
This is called a civil debate, welcome to the educated few.
Yeah. They don't have opposite views... or different views on the matter
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This is how a debate should work
@@SimonKanner-si3it riiiiiiiiight
I mean if you look 100% like a woman (like Blair does), I'll call you a woman without even thinking about it. But if you're a chick with a beard, that's a bit more complicated.
If someone where to express romantic interest in her I would be very clear that she is trans. If I were describing her to a waitress to seat her at my table when she arrived I would just label her as female because she looks like a female and if I said trans or male they would probably be confused and not associate her with those descriptions. Most trans people I have seen look trans. She really pulls it off flawlessly. The pronouns need to make sense. I’m not just going to go along with peoples delusions just so they feel good about themselves. That’s Essentially lying to them. However Blaire has very successfully transitioned and unless it was a medical person or someone who expressed romantic or sexual interest I her I would say trans because they need to know that biologically to date her or treat her medically it’s important under those circumstances that they understand she is a biological male that transitioned.
If a trans person is mid-transition and either doesn't look like the gender they want, or look ambiguous, they need to accept that they will often be misgendered. If someone can pass without anyone realizing they're trans, then I think they've (for lack of better term)"earned" the pronoun.
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Most Trans-folks think they're Gorgeous! 🤳 However Nature's Brutal Reality Doesn't Agree 😱
100% I feel like Ben’s stance with insisting on calling Blair a man is deliberately being awkward u see a woman it’s easier to say she insisting on not is just making it harder for urself.
I'm so happy. This is the first time I've seen Ben in a video that doesn't have "REKT" or "OWNED" in the title
Don't forget "Thug" :-)
*SJWs REKT IN CRINGE COMPILATION!*
or a mispelling
You spelled “misspelling” wrong
Spoon Speaks
Ha! Irony taught!
Blair white makes me respect the trans community so much she helps me understand the complexity of it without the dismissing feeling of wanting everyone to conform to their pov
Absolutely, it's like you actually want to understand when you listen to Blaire
@@haljordan1682 facts
right,but i think she's one in a million
If the trans community would carry themselves like Blaire they would receive so much more acceptance, respect, and understanding. Stop being loud and demanding, work on and love yourselves, respect others views
The thing is most of them aren’t like Blaire and want to act like what they think they are is an achievement.
This is how a conversation is supposed to go. No yelling over each other. An actual conversation.
You don't understand though... She was trying to combat the "deep web"...
twbmagic it was mainly each other agreeing with the same points but it was really a milestone for Blaire
That's because blaire is right wing, she's used to being discriminated against and taking it.
twbmagic It’s so nice *sigh*
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I wish more convos were like this.
I'd hate be apart of your conversations.
I am a conservative. I am a follower of Ben. Blaire is the first trans person that I encounter that have common sense. Blaire is not delusional. Blaire, you have all my respect.
Same here & I agree 💯
You both debated so well, love you and you killed it!
OMG so agree huge follower of Ben but I absolutely love Blair’s, she makes sense with everything she says!
It’s probably more common than you’d think. We just see all the extremists. Gender has nothing to do with personality.
Same here! ✋
The most agreeable disagreement I've ever seen
Welcome to the civilized world. Rarely spotted on cable television
Also called "agree to disagree" a rare phenomenon these days, sadly.
they were mostly agreeing than disagreeing
That’s the point! They agree! That’s a discussion! Based on civilized facts and common sense.
*I DISAGREE*
This was on autoplay, so I didn't see who was in it. You saying "Hey Ben, how are you?" Freaked me out at first
Ben Walters 😂😂😂 actually really funny
Heheh 😆
Lmao
It took me a second but I accidentally blurted out laughing when I noticed the channel name and figured it out
That's hilarious😂
Ladies and Gentleman this is how adults discuss a sensitive topic in a mature way: BRAVO BLAIR & BRAVO BEN!!!!!!!!!! I love this video.
Did you see how Candace Owens was towards Blaire?
@@chrishansen9731 why don't you have a seat
Kid Anarchy i laughed
Yes
@@dipper9496 Actually I'd like you to have a seat over there please.
If someone is trans, but not obviously trans (such as Blaire, who looks and behaves like a biological female), this issue of pronouns is a non-issue. If a trans person has to tell you their pronouns, demand you use them and become insulted if you don't, they obviously are aware they aren't pulling it off.
Yeah, this is an issue of passing…which is very sensitive for everyone.
@@robynology101 I can't pass as a Fabio... Because I look like a Homer Simpson... should I be sensitive about that and demand that the ladies treat me like Fabio?
@@gatocles99 No. And that's my entire point. Thank you.
@@robynology101 It's Ma'am!
@@gatocles99 Ok, sir.
This is the most civil debate I have ever seen on this topic. Both sides actually explained their point of view in a respectful way. They were able to find where they agreed and understand where they differ.
Didn't feel like a debate. They're just 'friends comparing notes'. "Hey what do you got there? Ooo I got it a bit different. Ah ok, that's cool too."
I love this because often one person from a group will blow it out of context and make everyone in the group look bad but this was just to people talking about what they agree and trying to understand the other side.
BOBBY LOVE - I truly think it's because neither have far right or leftist views. Blaire was respectful of him and understood the facts and the truth of his views and Ben was just objectively speaking the facts and the truth as he always does. Far right or leftist just like any extremists with any views can't accept a different view other than their own. I agree with Dr. Jordan Peterson on his stance on compelled speech. My sister is considering going through a transition and I love her to death and have her back 100% and have no problems with what she chooses for herself. All I want is for her to examine all the risks and all the facts before she makes a decision that important. I won't however be compelled or forced to suspend reality, truth or facts and betray myself for the sake of someone's feelings or arbitrary demands. If I am asked politely to accommodate someone, I would seriously consider it because I was respectfully asked. As long as I am free to choose, I'd be more open and willing to do so.
This video and these types of conversations could mend many fences and build bridges of understanding between those with opposing views. But if you're an extremist or any kind of "ist-ist" than there is no way but their way and no view but their view and nobody gets anywhere with that kind of attitude or ideology.
UA-cam is showing and proving my point by showing that they have extremist views on the topic by demonetizing this video and not allowing any exchange of ideas even if it is respectful. Respect and open mindedness is the core root to a civil compromise between all sides of the spectrum. Platforms like UA-cam, Google and Fakebook don't want views opposing their puppet master's which makes their far leftist views and agenda very transparent and disturbing with their censorship of free speech and expression.
Right it was more like an civil, inteligent conversation!
BOBBY LOVE
Ben is pretty civil with Sam Harris and a lot of atheist stuff too.
It's so refreshing to watch a debate with two educated individuals who have respect for each other and don't need to scream at each other
Blaire is dumb as a door nail wtf are you talking about?
Malachi Owens Elaborate that statement if you're able to share your wisdom
It was not really a debate. It was a discussion.
True, this is why I'm happy about debates like the one with Laci Green & Sargon at Mythcon. While not all go well, it's good to at least see some discussion on disagreements rather than passive aggressive videos.
cheesesucksass Exactly! So glad these two came together!
This, ladies and gentlemen, is how we conduct a civil discourse...
@ Eric Cochrane / Completely agree Eric. Unfortunately a very rare thing isn’t it?
@@joeangell5652 far too rare.
The problem with conversations like these are they don't push the agenda very well.
Not a conversation.
It is a show.
@@fightthezionistsuprenazi7026 Just because it's on a show doesn't mean the conversation isn't civil.
Cheers, Blaire. I'm a transman and I appreciate that you are representing us appropriately, and respectfully. This is the second time I have seen Mr Shapiro in a space where he has been given the freedom to share his opinions. It's great to see this. Keep up the great work 👍
No, you are a woman. Being a man is not a custom which you can pick wear. It is a biological fact. Every cell in you is male and it won't change after any genital mutilatiom.
@@Draco19970125 is he a man or woman? make your mind up lmao
Shut up
@@wybiefletcher6739 what you mean
you are so right she really is representing you properly! what some other people do works opposite- increase transphobia. she is great person.
The fact that when Blaire would start talking, Ben would actually stop himself and let Blaire talk shows that he's obviously not in "debate" mode and is much more relaxed and feels like he is just having a pleasant discussion.
You have never seen him debate then, he only interrupts if they go on too long
@@delightfullyjoyfulmiracl3255 In debates where there is a bit more hostility I see him interrupt a lot. That's not a criticism btw. It happens because he's often interrupted himself, and like you said if they're talking for too long.
Authentic Animations once they've got their point through than they no longer need to do it, they just get completely obliterated by FACTS & LOGIC
This wasn't a DEBATE, it was a discussion, she clicked baited.
Because they have the same exact opinion. It's not a debate if you have the same opinion. She is a conservative person.
He seems so satisfied to be speaking a rational person
This is a very civil debate between two reasonable men.
Hahaha I'm surprised no one's gone after you yet, Nutty
Nutty Berries
Lol 😂😂😂
To me, it’s not about politics, it’s about being a reasonable, human being
Boaz Johnson - Ben Shapiro satisfaction here is not the result of him speaking to a "rational" person, but to someone who agrees with his view. But honestly, Ben seems to get his greatest satisfaction when getting the upper hand in a debate with someone who opposes his belief.
As much as i dont like this obsession with pronouns, how hard is it to call a person like Blair a she? Even if you know she was born a male, what's the point?
MrM Rus: I didn't realize Blair was born a man until today. The few times I have watched you channel it never occurred to me that she was anything other than a very attractive woman with a reasonable point of view. Frankly it is not my business that she has or has not done privately, I am just happy to listen and evaluate the content of the discussion. I will address people as I see them.
problems the zee, zir,ze,zit and whatnot.not the he and she
@@kazzana9013 Bruh you can see the Adam's apple lmao
Klai u literally can’t???
Grammy Norma yeah
I was expecting a debate but instead I witnessed a rational discussion between two logical people. Thank you Blair and Ben.
That’s what a debate is, but I understand what you meant
Isn’t that a definition of a debate?
@@Kiwipeanutlove I think they meant an effective debate versus what we usually see
It wasn’t a debate. It was disrespect coming from Ben and Blaire put up with it.
As it usually goes between sound men.
This was so lovely and short and amazingly civil, if Blaire was having this conversation with some other UA-camr they would almost certainly be raising their voice, throwing around buzzwords, and disregarding Blaire's arguments. But this was amazing. An argument that would take 45 minutes with anyone else was cut by two thirds here and it's so refreshing.
That's because Ben is the King of Cool
Aina, hmmm true good point
And vice versa! This is a good moment!!
What is this?! is... is this a civil debate? wow, it's a good watch.
Yeah basically 2 people
Is she republican, I can't see her as a dem.
@@macgyverc6157 yes she is
Using “he” for Blaire is a chore 😭😭
J E R E M I A H because of what she has done to herself mate, no shame in calling her what she wishes to be called mate
@@prankish5140 sorry what's the pronoun of a cow again ummmm moo mooimself
@@thefaeriemerchant5826 "...no shame in calling her what she wishes to be called mate....".
That's okay for those reality deniers who are fine with that. But what about those who are not ? Why not describe him for what he actually is....a highly effeminate homosexual who has a "boyfriend" ?
@@jeremiah1269 "...sorry what's the pronoun of a cow again ummmm moo mooimself...".
lol !
But she isn't a cow .
This isn't a debate this is just two smart down to earth people haveing a discussion. I'm super happy this interaction happened!
No, it's a discussion between one total idiot and one smart but very evil man.
shut up Tim 😂 hatin ass
@@timmoser2876 she is smart. And they agreed with the same things.
@@timmoser2876 and why is he so evil
@@timmoser2876 how is she a bigot? Lpl
This isn't a Debate. This is a rational set of discussions held at a level of civility you dont get to see much.
Kudos to both parties
Thats exactly what a debate is supposed to be. Whats commonplace today is far from a real debate.
Typically debates are held by those with wider and more opposing views points, but this was a good clarifying conversation by both, yes
@@ChaoticNeutralMatt
The overall point was to make it known, That when you're civil and Decent in any conversation. It goes better. And sometimes morphs from being something on the edge of harsh words, to a civil dialogue that encourages growth for both parties.
Something we desperately need more of across the board.
I know you see how most other Debates go regardless of topic.
I understand why you might say this but I still think we should call it a debate. A debate is simply a discussion in which parties put forward differing points of view. They certainly agreed on a lot but are still talking from different world views and putting forward different perspectives. The fact that it was a civil discussion does not stop it from being a debate.
@@teenagesatanworship
I think you misunderstood the point of me highlighting that bit of facts about the nature of this conversation/debate.
The point was to highlight how "Normal" debates go versus what we see here.
Not a redefining of the word.
I'm of the opinion that Blaire should be called "her" for a simple reason: Blaire looks like a woman. That's what pronouns are meant to be used for, to quickly identify a person without any interaction to assess their history or identity. So, I'm of Blaire's opinion, base it on secondary sex characteristics for the sake of simplicity and ease of conveyance.
Xhesi L exactly. Practicality. So, if you see someone who looks female are you going to approach said person and ask if their biologically so? No, you call her a she. If you know she's a trans woman and be a dick about it, by all means, do it. Free country till it becomes Canada lolz.
Xhesi L Blair frequently identifies herself as a trans woman. This label ensures that any relevant information that might be concealed by her behavior, dress or exterior remodeling of her meatsuit (body) are conveyed quickly and effectively. As reality has not be redefined by her just referring to herself as a woman, I have no issues respecting her preference I use female pronouns.
Basically if you are an biological male and want to live as a female, don’t say you’Re a woman, that isn’t true. You want to live as a woman and be treated as one, ie be a trans woman.
@@reverendrico5631whats your point. If a person treats a transwoman as a woman so then its a woman. Whats so confusing in this . A transwoman doesn't transition into a woman to be called he or to be treated like men. So its a woman
Here's why I love Blair:
1: She understands the importance of the "TRANS" within transgender. She had a goal she worked towards and went through her own hell to get there. It also makes it much easier to call her a "her" when she makes efforts to be presentable as a her
2: She doesn't believe the law or social rules revolve around her choices. She doesn't put herself on a pedestal or presume she's special because she transitioned
Indeed
He.
@@SuperHunKing If you see her at a random stop anywhere, you'd assume she was a "she" and move on. Stop trying to be special...
HONNESTLY!
I agree, I saw the debate on the Rubin show, when she had the debate with Candace Owen's, and Candace said, you're a grown man, and Blaire seemed so un-phased and didn't care. Blaire has a level head.
As a transgender woman, I will never Ever claim I am a biological female, since I have XY chromosomes. However, I have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, had HRT therapies and surgeries to match my body to my mind. This has helped me 100% to live a happy and healthy life with 0 physical damage and unfunction. Since I pass as a female now, I do not wish to tell anyone I’m trans besides the person I’m dating. I haven’t had a single person uncomfortable by my existence and everyone is happy. As for the pronouns, since I have made effort to transition I think it is more convenient for me to be addressed by she/her pronouns since that’s what people do automatically. What I disagree with Ben is that pronouns aren’t onlybiological related. I think secondary sexual characteristics play a lot in pronouns.
You just called yourself a woman, so you did claim to be biologically female.
@@KolchaksGhost No. She claimed to be a trans woman
agreed. Ben's argument is a little silly when it comes to practical application. if he called Blaire "he," people would be confused. it's not a "being nice" thing to use she/her, it just makes sense. so he'd rather know that someone is trans and then deliberately call them their biological sex? that just doesn't seem reasonable to me.
@@jdmangrich yes, which is claiming to be a woman. Referring to him as “she” is doing the same thing
@@BelieveMontana I wouldn’t be confused, because Robert is a man. If people were fooled by his costume, then maybe they’d be confused, but it would still be correct to refer to him as a man, because that’s what he is. There’s nothing unreasonable about that
Blaire is like the first trans person I’ve seen to be civil about stuff like this, props to her!
King of Pop I didn't know that you were still alive
its a him , but yes he is civil and deserves respect as a human being
You should look up bailey jay on the approval matrix or amy schumer or jim norton's vice show.
HEY! I was just coming down to say she looks like micheal Jackson with that lighting and makup
amy schumer is a freaking idiot
This was much better and more controlled than the Onision debate
I y a n a because they were listening to each other witch and Blair is to blame a little on this as well. The Onision one was just attacking the otjer person
If by debate, you mean an unmoderated shouting match, yes, I agree.
I y a n a But not nearly as hilarious lol.
Ben is smart while onision is manipulative
A guy who wrote two books by age 20 and had a law degree in his early twenties versus..... Onisioin... hmmm
One thing I like about Blaire is she's self aware. She lives her life, but at the same time she's realistic when it comes to the real world. She's respectful and allow space for someone to have their beliefs without name calling. I admire that she's a logical person, and does not allow herself to be delusional. She knows she was born male and that will never change, but her appearance is female. And she doesn't impose unreasonable pronouns on others.
Ben is not the villain people are trying to make him out to be. It is refreshing these days to see someone speak their mind without the fear of being called names.
Its kind of sad that non binary people have ruined the trans cause which makes people like Ben have to stay rigid in his use of pronouns to fight against the f*ckery of a million gender pronouns these people want to compel us to say. Blair looks like a woman and she transitioned to blend into society so that world would automatically perceive her as female. And if she wasn't a youtuber she would always be referred to as female since she looks like one. I agree with Ben on his stance but I still feel bad for Blair when he said he would refer to her as a he if he were to write an article.
>she
HE
The militant transsexual movement chooses the wrong battles, pronouns being a major example. What we should be doing is promoting tolerance, acceptance, and understanding of transsexuals. By nit picking over pronouns, it makes people feel like they're walking on eggshells; like they've lives will be ruined if they say one wrong word. That's extremely counter productive. And I don't think that most transsexuals care that much about pronouns; I think that's fueled by white liberals who exploit transsexuals and other designated victim groups for political gain.
Exactly!!
This wasn't a debate, it's a civil discussion. Our nation needs more people that can discuss issues like adults without breaking into a fight.
As far as I'm concerned, if you look male, I'll use male pronouns, if you look, female, Ill use female pronouns. If I get it wrong, politely correct me and I'll correct myself.
The only time Biological gender should EVER come up in conversation is...
- For anything medical, The main reason is due to some drugs not playing nice with hormone treatments. (Or if surgery is required, the surgeon needs to know if they should expect to find a uterus or not)
- Between couples, at the start of relationships, for obvious reasons.
- Competitive sports - This one is important and NEEDS some defined rules, For instance, a person who has spent 2 years on hormones (To change sex) build wise is going to be on par with a cis person of that sex whome is that height. (excluding bone density and that difference in VERY minor)
What Ben needs to understand, While I do see where he is coming from, There are many MANY people out there that WILL use this as an excuse to verbally assault trans people, These are the SAME people that are Racist and homophobic, they do it because they can and get away with making others feel like shit.
If it wasn't for those people, then no one would care.
100% agree
ua-cam.com/video/02FCYz8bOo8/v-deo.html You might want to look at the two recent Rationality Rules videos. This one has a lot of accurate science summations after he made an initial video not understanding the entire body of science regarding transgender men specifically. I would be curious to hear if you make the same claim you did after seeing what the totality of the body of science says. The original study published in academia and which people how make claims that you just did usually cite as research did not pass the peer review test and has been discredited as having an agenda and not being an accurate representation.
Ben does understand that. What trans apologists don't understand is that they have become the very thing they fight against by implying that someone's life should be destroyed because they didn't use the correct pronouns via slip of tongue, or because biology and science dictate the outcome of a person's make up. Anyone can use any reason to discriminate and Trans discriminate against cis people with authoritarianism. Just because some dip shits who incorrectly discriminate against trans or anyone doesn't mean that now everyone is guilty until proven innocent. No one should discriminate against anyone period. We should all be treated the same.
yes exactlh
Verbal assault, oh no! Lmao, God forbid people make fun of you, what is this world coming too? Suck it up butter cup, this is the real world, quit your bitching and whining!!
Ben Shapiro ENJOYS a respectful conversation with Blaire White.
Edit: thanks for the +1k likes!
I'll call him Blake white
He's too bored, he's fighting so hard not to fall asleep.
KOJAK BRADDY Why would you call Ben that?
@@mpiugdtyhgffijfcxp3613 not Ben , Blair ,. Since Blair is really a man ,
KOJAK BRADDY no she’s not
To me, if someone looks like a woman I will call her "She etc". If someone looks like a man, 'He etc".
EXACTLY
Facts
Is not that hard, right?
Haha, that's a little dangerous though. I and peeps above get what you mean, but that statement can rightfully offend people (I'm not only talking about transgender).
I live in Canada though, so I gotta avoid being fined by trying to conform (though it's disturbing to try). Personally, I will always disagree though. I personally see transgender males and females as either feminine males or masculine females.
Looks can be deceiving. Nor will I deceive myself and other people by calling a man a woman and a woman a man because they dont want to be what they are from Birth.
I refer to someone as "she" or "he" according to how the person appears to me, regardless of their history. I couldn't refer to Blaire White as "he" or "him" because I feel like I'm dealing with a woman. It would feel incongruous. Sadly, if I'm dealing with person who's 6'3", muscular, broad-shouldered, deep-voiced wearing a dress and make-up, I'm going to feel like I'm dealing with a man, and I would probably just avoid gender pronouns with the person, which is not that hard to do. But this whole movement of "I'm a woman because I say I am" is nonsense, and making things harder for trans women who do the work and want to live inconspicuously as just another woman the world. The current "trans rights" activists make it look like all trans people are insane and intolerant. I'm not even going to start to comment here on the utterly destructive insanity of medical transition of non-adults, because that could be a book.
Perfectly said
I agree, I think the worst pronouns are they/them... those words literally mean more than one person or referring to someone in the third person plural term
Seeing these two talk like logical intelligent people is soo refreshing
Blaire is known for watering down activist rage to be more palatable to a conservative audience. It's much easier for people to accept a beautiful white woman who goes out of her way to tolerate transphobia than a poor, trans person who doesn't pass very well and doesn't care if you get triggered when they actually devote their time to talking about issues facing the trans community.
entertain7us14 Of course you find a way to spin it, you garbage can.
... that's called a 'different perspective', mate.
entertain7us14 I don't think she showing toleration for transphobia. I think she is showing that just because I might not be willing to say exactly what you want me to say when I don't believe it, is acceptable. She seemed very okay with idea that trans women and bio women are not the same and understands Ben's view on it. I believe it boils down to being able to accept that your way of thinking isn't the only way and just be someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean it's a sort of phobia.
Ok that's totally fair, but I've always had a problem with the "agree to disagree" point when the thing you're disagreeing with is whether or not a particular group of people should have their experiences acknowledged and validated by society.
When one person says "I believe trans people exist and are valid and we should call them whatever they ask to be called" and the other person says "I disagree", you're not having a polite disagreement over a trivial matter of opinion, you're having an existential conflict over whether or not to treat an entire group of people as equals.
I don't accept the view that someone as smart as Ben who has access to all the information he wants (ie he cant use ignorance as an excuse for his bigotry) holds an opinion that is just as valid and 'harmless' as that of an actual trans person or trans ally/activist.
People like Ben devalidate trans people's experiences, call them delusional, insinuate that they don't even exist. That's not really an inconsequential viewpoint - it's extremely harmful and feeds in to a society that is already extremely hostile to trans people and their identities.
I guess what I'm saying is that I have a problem with people who give bigoted, hateful, ignorant viewpoints and EQUAL seat at the table. I don't like those viewpoints to be normalised. Having a trans person debate a transphobe is inherently suggesting that both viewpoints are valid and up for debate. Obviously that doesn't have to happen when it's a balanced debate where he's called out for his bullshit, but when you 'agree to disagree' you're sending an extremely harmful message that transphobia, while you may disagree with it, is still an acceptable perspective and there's a protected place for it in public discourse.
I think it would be confusing to use “he” when addressing Blair, she looks completely female
He
I would also say she.
@@AnaGarcia-ri2jt can she get pregnant
@@aidengraves5594 so if a female can't get pregnant for whatever reason should be considered a he? That's pretty much you just said.
@@LonelyWolfe42 No... She was literally born a male that makes her a male
It’s so funny that y’all are praising a civil conversation as if this isn’t normal 😂 get off of Twitter this is how normal people act
I mean not rlly... have you watched the news recently? Lmao
phanbandtrash yet again , social media everybody acts mad bold , no shocker . In real life in a face to face convo people don’t act as crazy . So being civil is normal and should be normal
Sky He i never said it shouldn’t be normal, it’s just that out of control arguments and lack of understanding are what’s generally seen on the media and in a lot of people
phanbandtrash it’s not what I see . The people I follow are people like Blaire that don’t act that way , there are many people like Blaire and Ben you choose what type of people you support and surround yourself with and don’t follow the bs
Sky He i never said I did follow these people lmao I just said I saw it. Also Ben loves to act/say a lot of reactionary dumb things too so I don’t rlly think he’s an exemplary person to pick out. He was calm in this conversation but he’s definitely done and said a lot of ignorant things.
I can't imagine why else it would get demonetized.. Other than the fact that you 2 had a realistic honest conversation and there was no guilt tripping..
She talked to two conservatives and then was immediately demonetized. Weird. UA-cam couldn't possibly have a political agenda, right?
It's not like they ever banned a sitting president or anything.
You identified the problem; UA-cam doesn't want civility; they just want as much venom and demonization of conservatives as possible to support the super far left woke agenda. So when a prominent transsexual is willing to have an intellectually based conversation with someone who is portrayed by the super far left woke agenda as a nazi, they're very uncomfortable with it. If others follow that example, it could dramatically reduce the unnecessary tension in society these days.
The activists naritive is to destroy. The activists did not like this! I do, I watch both of you often! ❤ I was so excited to see it! Makes sense though, best conversation I've ever "witnessed". Ty let's see more!
Y’all acting like Ben and Blair have discovered a new way to speak
I wouldn’t expect less from these two
Ikr
Ben Shapiro might be a pretty shite person but this conversation is pretty nice, you don’t see it often
virixero that’s because he’s not. Shit person he’s a nice guy who has strong opinions that are misrepresented by the media.
I don't really agree with Ben,he is sometimes right and other times,he is but I just don't agree. But I'm glad he can be somewhat respectful [Some way not agree with the fact he's "respectful" so I add that somewhat.]
Kai. ixl He’s hardly ever disrespectful. He only gets that way when he’s consistently interrupted, or is disrespected by the person he’s debating.
The "sorry go ahead" from Ben was such a wtf moment for me hahahaha
I absolutely live for the amount of respect and admiration on both sides of this debate
Hahaha fr
Same
Ben is not who "they" told you he is.
@@ryantiller5624 I'm honestly finding that out now watching him in a few interviews, because I don't keep up with American politics closely enough to have actually heard him speaking publicly. The way leftist media has completely demonized him is impressive.
When Ben talks slower it means he's enjoying the conversation and feels respected.
@XDranzer000 some of namjoon biased ppl are reasonable like that lol
Indeed, he is in his safe space where he knows he is not going to be confronted with facts and logic and is not threatened and therefore doesn't have to pretend to be smart. He can be his actual self, confidently dumb.
@Boop I thought the same 🤣
@@andrewmaderer1989 so...how is he dumb? show an example where someone he is debating actually beat him with facts and logic
@@walkingdead3097 fr tho, lol
i love Blair, a transwomen that actually looks, talks and acts like a biological women and isnt a parody of us biological women. first time i watched her i didnt even know she was a transwomen...this mockery of a woman that is this dylan mulvaney or whatever his name is a total shame to even remotedly call himself a women he is a sad joke....Blair if every transwomen was like you there would be no issue to talk about....love you, you are super smart interesting and beautiful...
Exactly. Blaire is a woman. She's not pretending to be one. Dylan, on the other hand, is making a whole mockery of us and it's sickening.
@@tropicalsundaeBlaire is a transwoman not a woman. Even Blaire herself will tell you that. She respects the differences and doesn't live in fantasy land. I 100% agree on everything you said about Dylan
She is a woman she is a transwoman but she is not a biological woman both are women and we all know there are differences but she is a woman just not a biological woman. Thats just my point of view dont lynch me please.@@phoenixforce6595
Dylan is repulsive.
@@phoenixforce6595Yes! I just watched a video the other day when she can’t relate to womanhood but only calls herself trans woman.
I personally will call trans women, women/she/her etc because it's just a lot easier in the real world. On top of that if a trans women looks like blaire you'd have to be absurd to call her anything other than she/her because physically she looks like a beautiful woman and that's how she truly feels. So i don't see the big deal over using those pronouns, I see where Ben is coming from but it just does not correlate in real world applications like blaire said. Well done blaire!
That's how it should be.
Honestly i agree
If we allow bias perceptions to dictate language then you open the door for people to misidentify other shit based on their bias perception. We should not go hijacking established sex based terms to describe humans who do not meet the criteria. By this logic, whatever appears to be a racist act based on stereotypes should be acknowledged as a racist act.
The biggest issue I have is the "they/them" thing and trans people completely trying to control the narrative. I don't like that.
I'm gonna call a transgender person their pronoun if they actually look like the gender they change to. I'm not calling a dude in a dress a "her", they're clearly not putting any effort, why should I? It may sound selfish but there are limits to what you can expect of people.
"Whatever makes you happier and healthier makes your happier and healthier"
Many people would be surprised how open Ben is to individual choice as long as it's not hurting others or being pushed on society.
Well Ben is a libertarian. Libertarians believe they can disagree with people's lifestyles or actions and still agree with their freedom to do so as long as they don't create victims.
Yes!!
@@alexschneider8494 And is that bad…?
@@TheMaan2008 I'm a libertarian myself. When did I say it was bad or even allude to it?
@@alexschneider8494 Sorry 😅, I thought you were against him. Haha. That is why!
Blair is so bad at being a guy, I can't imagine calling her a 'he' xD
MultiTarded her jugs too
It's a he
Mr. Joshua She’s hot, we know
@@imlivinglikejimmorrison5562 ..that's a he. Just because you put on a pound of makeup, grow your hair out, and get a shit ton of plastic surgery, doesn't magically turn you into a woman. Blair is what you would call a " feminized man "
Mr. Joshua Yes, She’s so beautiful ❤️ inside and out ❤️😘..
Can we PLEASE get an updated conversation between you BOTH. Immense respect for you two.
My problem isn't calling a trans man/woman a he/she, it's when they try to force these wierd new made up pronouns on you like "Ze"
Pickle Rick luckily those dumb trends died quicly
that's not a "made up pronoun", it's gramatically correct to use it.
Louise Belcher
I think it's clunky to use "they" but at least it fits into normal language better "ze" or any other variation. I know a non-binary person and it is pretty easy to use "they".
Being called “ze” was literally the most extra thing conservatives pushed this type of pronoun agenda to hurt trans people
i agree
As someone who is adopted, when around other people and asked about my parents, I say "my parents are" not "my adopted parents are" Lmao. If I tell someone I am adopted and they ask well where are your "adopted parents", I say Yes I am adopted, my parents are over there." Like does this make sense to anyone else than me? Yall understand what I am saying?
As most people would. He's stating that there is a difference between adopted and biological. You're not any less their kid for that nor are they any less of a parent, it's just a fact that they didn't create you from their own DNA.
Well that's another issue for debate
I'm adopted and the people who adopted me became abusive and neglectful the split second I showed signs of being lgbt, so no I'd never refer to them as anything but adoptive, is never accept their kind as family
@@FrancineL81 yeah I think it's different in that sense. If you choose to call the adoptive, your choice, but you want to just call them your parents there is no harm.
@@FrancineL81 im sorry I hope you got away from them without too much pain
@@mysmirandam.6618 thanks.
got a few permanent emotional scars but havent seen them in about 20 years so mostly moved on
if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, callin it a duck. if you don't wanna do that that's your choice, and if someone politely asks me to call them something I will oblige but I wont call you made up pronouns. that's where my niceness ends
Acheron Parthenopaeus CALL ME BY MY PRONOUNS THEY/THEM/ZE/ZER/PAPAYA/AUTISTIC!!! (kidding I completely agree with you c:)
I probably would be willing to call someone a made up pronoun, because who cares, but don't expect me to always do so. Also keep them short.
I have used this line many times where I work. "I dont care what you want to be called, male or female...pick one and stick to it"
Not one of them looked like Blair White, but all wanted to be called female...what a world.
Until that Duck pulls it's pants down and you find out it's a man baby yea!
Agreed. I think most logical people would agree.
This is why i respect the the hell out of you blaire. You are willing to have a conversation instead lynching someone for their opinion. Imagine if the rest of the lgbt community had your mentality and others like you. People would actually take the time to listen and try to understand your position. you're proof of that. I'm not part of the lgbt community in anyway and normally don't want to get involved because my beliefs on the matter can well cause most people in the lgbt community to lose their collective shit, but i've never gave a fuck what people do. But i'll be damned if say my opinion on the matter because of how it's all to often weaponized against people outside the lgbt community for simply asking questions or just stating their side. If it weren't for you i'd never would have bothered to even attempt to understand because of how, sadly, more often then not i would have been met with animosity and hate...and a pink slip.
You help people understand instead of driving them out. I 100% believe you are the best thing to happen lgbt community rather know it or not. Keep being awesome you beautiful soul shinning in a world of bitterness and hate from both sides of the coin!
Eyo some of us are on a good way.
I agree with what you’re saying here but I am also not part of the 🏳️⚧️ Community (not directly, someone I love very much is trans tho), and maybe that’s why we feel this way. I to say that Blair is the best thing to happen to a community we are not part of would be slightly ignorant, no? My girlfriend has a trans son and I’m sure that neither of them would fully agree to everything Blair has to say. She has haters.
I really respect her views but I try to see all sides. But that is what makes Blair White so awesome! She tries to get people from all sides to talk to. Unfortunately there are a bunch of people that see these Great conversations as attacks.
Most of us are sensible . A tiny minority are just degenerate
A lot of us do share Blaires views
We don’t all get triggered 😂
If the the community had more Blairs and less like Dylan Mulvaney then we would not be in this mess to begin with
Blaire is a good listener. She listens, she thinks, and answers carefully.
The reason Ben shapiro says facts don't care about feelings is that he is giving the reason he might sound rude. While some facts might offend people he says that quote to show that he has nothing personal against them but that it's just the facts.
This didn't even seem like a debate
You mean he 👀
Same with ben
Charles Jefferson nope she
True
He is male
But truefully I forget sometimes because he looks like a real female.
this was fantastic. It's sadly rare to see two people who don't fully agree be able to talk without it getting emotional and heated.
what did they disagree on? lol
We have lost the art of graceful disagreement. This is especially true in politics. I enjoy listening to people that don't share my views to stress test if I'm right or need to change course.
OMG so much yes. I do the same as well. I think we should constantly be questioning and testing ourselves. I try to keep an open mind and understand others who I disagree with, even those with views that upset me. I think if we tried to understand each other there would be less hate in the world.
Read "Principles" by Ray Dalio. He provides a guide on how to get really good at graceful disagreement.
That's because men are logical, if Blaire was a woman it would have been different
I think Blaire hit the nail on the head when talking about adoptive parents. In conventional social interactions, no one is going to bother with distinctions and keep calling them your adoptive dad, or your adoptive mom, they'll just say your mom or your dad. And specifically in this case, if someone wants to refer to your biological parents, they will specify it by calling them your biological parents, because in the scenario of adoption, your adoptive parents become sort of the norm and so for the sake of simplicity, when talking about your "parents", we would be talking about the adoptive parents, since 99% of conversations will involve them, but for the 1% of the conversations that refer to your biological parents, they will be specified so that it's not confused with the norm of who is typically thought of when someone just says "parents".
Same can be applied to trans people - there ARE scenarios in which you would have to specify that you are a trans woman, but for the sake of everyday social interactions, 99% of the time it would be more useful and less confusing to call you a woman with female pronouns. It's not to say that this makes you a biological woman (just as calling adoptive parents simply "parents" does not make them biological parents), but it is something that adheres to common sense in a social environment.
Exactly. Similarly for me, I have 2 younger siblings who are biologically my half-siblings because they have a different father than I do. But my mom married their father when I was only 4 and I never knew my biological father, so my earliest memories of any father are of him and I always called him dad and bonded with him as though he was my biological father. And likewise I bonded with and lived life with my younger siblings from their birth on into all of our adulthood as though we are full siblings even though we all know we are half-siblings. That objective truth however does not manifest in our realities or relationships, though. And if it comes up with acquaintances that we have different biological fathers and they refer to us as "half-siblings" we all are quick to acknowledge the technical truth of that but that we refer to each other (and truly see each other in a practical sense) as full siblings. And of course no one has ever insisted on continuing to call us half-siblings whenever they refer to us because that would be pedantic, rude, and unnecessary.
I understand why Ben feels the need to stick quite strictly to his refusal to refer to a trans person by their transitioned gender expression in any public forum, but I believe he and most reasonable everyday people wouldn't have much of a problem called a person who overtly and consistently for all practical intents and purposes presented as a different gender by those pronouns in day to day life.
Good debate. At first I was afraid to watch it because I don't like seeing two people I truly like and respect go at each other but I am glad I did. It proves to me that my like and respect for these two are truly well placed.
Exactly the same feeling here - i agree with both of their ideas in this conversation
yes !! precisely !! but this was a lovely conversation
Conservative Woman - My thoughts exactly.
Conservative Woman same!!
Same
It's absolutely wonderful how respectful you two can be with each other, mad respect for you both
I agree although I'm one that thinks we have corrupted the meaning of the word "respect". I will be courteous to anyone on initial contact not because I respect them but out of self respect. My behaviour reflects who I am and I respect myself too much to treat others without showing them the courtesy they deserve and behaving as a mature adult should. To receive my respect, they must earn it, through their behaviour and the integrity of their character. I can even be courteous to someone that I have no respect for. As an example....I worked as a bartender for years. Every customer was afforded courteous service and deference. That does not mean I respect them.
I respect the way they conducted the dialogue and that goes a long way to earning my respect for them as human beings.
I don't want to appear to be nitpicking but it bothers me when someone expects respect when I know nothing about them. However, I wholeheartedly support the basic sentiments that you're trying to express in your comment.
he wouldnt even call her she, lol
If you look like a man, you’ll be called he/him and if you look like a woman you’ll be called she/her being realistic
But... a lot of biological woman look like men, tbh.
bruh
what if u were pre everything tho :/
Catra Meowmeow Still, you will be called either she/he depending on your appearance in public. It sucks for trans people that don’t pass well, but it’s just how society works.
TerbYern “it’s how societies work” it doesn’t suck it’s just how humans think. Everything is appearance based in this situation.
People don't give Ben the chance to show he's actually a very kind and compassionate human, thanks 👍
But he's not "kind". That's what he was showing.
@@dat2rahow so?
Both of them have valid points. I respect both Ben and Blaire's opinions, although I personally agree more with Blaire.
because he buries any kindness under his bigotry and we aren't interested in playing devil's advocate
ME WHEN I WANT HIS VALIDATION💀
I’m a conservative Christian and student of theology and church history. This is the first time I’ve been able to relate to and consider a transgender point of view in a reasonable discussion.
I can tell you Blaire actually makes me hopeful that a common ground can be found for a civil dialogue between trans-people and conservatives.
It’s incredibly refreshing to see two people from different sides of this issue allow one another the freedom to speak openly without fear of offense, and without attacking each other, and then watch a healthy discussion blossom that has the potential to change hearts and minds.
Thank you to Blaire and Ben for this video.
Agreed, I'm a Christian conservative as well and a fan of both Blaire and Ben. It's nice to have conservatives from all walks of life and these two embody the beauty of dialogue and discourse.
@Chuck Basher Yeah, she's right leaning/conservative/libertarian which is an anomaly in the LGBTQ community!
Bryant E Yes and no. Being empathetic to opposing arguments doesn’t make you necessarily conservative nor liberal. She primarily criticizes trans issues, but that’s coming from someone who’s IN that community, and generally left-leaning because of it (maybe not, but she hasn’t really discussed social issues outside of the LGBT community so we can’t be sure). However, her political leanings aren’t even that important. I think what IS important is that Christians and more conservative types like OP and those who fall under a more liberal slant like myself can open up a productive discussion about a sensitive topic. Empathy is the first key to progress.
@@devinodriscoll I agree, being empathetic to discussion and discourse are supremely important- especially in this day and age when the far left has taken control of the narrative on various issues. Blaire and Ben have demonstrated this well, and they are a good example of the kinds of people who appreciate civil discourse. As many have said, one of the main differences between liberals (in the classical sense) and leftists is that liberals tend to welcome these discussions, whereas leftists tend to discourage it!
Same!
First time seeing Blaire didn't even know she was transgender woman 🤯
Wow, you're just asking to be trapped
@@joshuabach9009 are you just going through every comments and replying with basic transphobic statements?
Diamond Dukes facts bruh, transphobic got nun to do but to hate
I didn’t know for a couple of videos too. In 2020 there are still trans-activisits online making videos, tweets, tiktoks etc saying Blaire shouldn’t make content about trans issues because she is a cisgender woman.
I am a woman and I wouldnt have known from first look. If I studied her, mayb..but she looks pretty much like a she.
GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS...I'm watching this now...Bravo....GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS...
Haha
Lol x'D
I watched that live and it is still painful to remember. Got figurative PTSD from that one. :P
One of the best videos by far !
ICONIC
If all trans people were as self aware, level headed and respectful as Blaire, there would be no contention towards the community at all.
I absolutely love that she understands what she biologically is, what can and cannot be changed, but most importantly, doesn't force herself on anyone.
I'm much like Ben in the pronoun department, but I have no issue referring to Blaire as "she" because she's gone through the difficult transition to get where she is, and at the end of the day, I know she'd still make "balls" jokes like she did on that Onicion vid 😂😂😂
She is where she is because she’s privileged and rich enough to make it happen, a lot of people suffering from gender dysphoria aren’t as privileged as she/he is and can’t have the treatment/surgeries that make them as passable as Blaire, yet Blaire thinks it’s okay to rip on them and tell them they’re not trans? That’s my problem with him/her.
@@blindfollower atleast make an effort.. If you don't have money for transition, atleast shave the beard off. Shaving set is not that expensive you know.
@@blindfollower what is this privilege that you're talking about? she made it clear on her video from half a year back titled, (Reacting to tiktokers who REALLY HATE ME) that she was raised in family on drugs basically had to support and work for herself and her own transition surgery and to work til this day. the only people (that i know of) she excludes of being trans are minors from my understanding.
@IDEK Blaire is a biological man just as the rest of the tran-speople she attacks are. it concerns me just as much as it concerns you.
@@blindfollower Bro, actually watch her vids. She came from near-poverty, and had a pretty shitty upbringing. She's not privileged - she earned the pennies needed to transition.
While i agree that Blaire is not a biological woman, i disagree with ben's reason for not wanting to use female pronouns for trans women. Unlike words like "biological woman", pronouns are used for social reasons based on appearance. It's not a scientific term you'd misuse.
GreatDaneLegend aka GoldDoGGY he said he would use it in a social context dummy watch the video again
I agree with that. Words like woman, her, and she are not biological like the word female is.
GreatDaneLegend aka GoldDoGGY totally agree here.. pronouns are not scientific terms and therefore, scientific accuracy is NOT necessary when using them in everyday conversation. I don't know why Ben is so hung up on this.
That's what certain people are trying to change gender to be..
But society has always equated gender & sex to be the same. Until ya'll get the majority opinion on this, it'll continue to be this way.
No they haven't. Especially in languages other than English where even inanimate objects are gendered.
THIS is what rational adults look like! Thanks Blaire, this was awesome!
I can’t imagine her as a man.
@bob junior like a filter on snapchat.
I can't either with Ben.
bob junior Millions of women do that? Guess they're all trans too
bob junior but 90%of women do that these days
@@liamhi8400 i had a conversation with my buddy about this exact topic once. My thoughts are this... its just something you have to quantify in your own mind how you truely feel about the person. Ultimately if the issue is that you identify as straight and you are wondering if this changes that or if you wouldnt want people to know for fear of being judged then why bother using straight as an identifier? OOORR think of it this way... You are straight, you get a boner for women, you do not get a boner for someone who is or looks like a man, the person you have this deep loving connection for is somewhere in the middle but deffinitely passes as female. This wouldnt make you gay you just love who you love. The only thing that matters is how you feel about the person and whether or not you want to stay true to that or distance yourself from it. Choice is choice and nothing will take that away from us. I am straight myself but Blair is still the most fuckable biological man i have ever seen xD and i have no issue saying that and it still doesnt change the fact that I still am attracted to women. Hope that helps buddy.
Edit: Also if you didnt know before hand and you found out because things were getting frisky then i would say that you wouldnt be in the wrong for feeling deceived. But also you would still have to deal with your feelimgs.
What a wonderful conversation! Thank you to both of you for RESPECTFULLY having a discussion and hearing each other out.
This just goes to show what can be achieved when we have a logical, calm discussion.
Prior to watching this video, I was angry with Ben Shapiro for his lack of empathy. This helped me realize that he's not trying to attack anyone, and that he's simply presenting a rational perspective, while still having the capacity for respect. Thank you
@MultiTarded Hey buddy go watch contrapoints.
@MultiTarded Interesting how some gay or slightly feminine dudes are referred as "not real men" but a post-op transwoman is aparently still a dude.
@MultiTarded ua-cam.com/video/MitqjSYtwrQ/v-deo.html your welcome ☺✌
@@Rugybrat this comment is THE comment
@@Rugybrat Who refers to gay/feminine men as not being real men? I don't believe this and I'm sure the majority of sane people don't. Why is it that there are so many people on the left who are happy with grouping people that don't believe in their ideologies into a single catergory. Isn't the point to strive for connection and equality. It seems all the left want is more division between people.
It's easier to demonize others rather then listening to a different opinion but it comes from people who claim to be tolerant it all seems a bit backwards to me.
I think as a straight white conservative male that blair is fundamentally right,why not just be nice?the only issue I have is with the government compelling me to use certain forms of speech.
Thats a slippery slope in my opinion.i have no problem referring to people in the fashion that they prefer.
Its not a big deal or that difficult to just be nice..
michael young I’m the same as you thank you 🙏. I’ve always wondered why it’s so difficult
EXACTLY.
I totally argee.
It makes no sense to me to be rude to some oneelse.
I have been misgendered many many times. I have never gotten all pissy about it. Meh.. whatever..
Btw I am a biological male, with long blonde hair and do have pierced ears, slightly feminine features. Still don't care, no reason to be rude when someone has made a mistake, and also no reason to be rude and not call a she a she and a he a he.
I personally think words a lot of power, ans after being repeated something over and over, it is ingrained into someome's mind. From there it would be very easy for one to forget that fundementally they are truly what they used to be and involve themselves in a situation which would cause trouble. For example a trans women is stronger than a biological women and if the trans woman hits the bio woman out of a sudden anger, that could be the end of someone.
@nooope __, If you looked like a woman, I would call you a woman.. If you looked like a man, I would call you a man..
If you looked like a woman but I found out you were a man, I would call you a man so not to cause confusion in my head.. No hate
SJW's take notes: a man and a trans having a civil conversation!
Silent Huntress72 it really needs to happen more.
@Akshay Kumar On a personal level he doesn't, but historically presidents have a diplomacy and foreign relations aspect to their job, in which case being civil and respectful is pretty important. He definitely has the right to not be civil in most cases, but theres a way to be respectful and truthful, honest, or even blunt at the same time.
@Akshay Kumar I definfitely get it! Although I dont agree with him on a lot of things, I dont think that he is obligated to be nice. Especially if hes following through on his promises
"a trans"
Silent Huntress72 wait that use to be a man I need to be careful
Blair doesn't say she's a woman, she says she's a trans woman. That's why I respect her, she's not delusional, she doesn't claim womanhood, she doesn't expect anyone else to say she's a woman, she knows what a woman is. She's very vocal about it, and I greatly respect that.
The whole point of language is to facilitate communication. If you point at Blaire and say “him” no one is going to understand what the heck you’re talking about because Blaire looks more female than 90% of biological women, therefore communication is lost and it’s simply unnecessary and stupid.
idrawpeople that's exactly what Ben agreed to. Did you watch the video
does it matter? lol there both "right"
idrawpeople But not every trans person is gonna look like Blaire some still look and are built like a dude and makes it harder to clarify which is the point Ben was making
idrawpeople "Blaire looks more female than 90% of biological women". My god, what kind of females are you surrounded by? Post menopausal landwhales, trigglypuffs, and non binary walefare queens the likes of monica punk?
I absolutely would understand what he means. Not everyone is as stupid as you.
Blaire takes a logical non reactive stance on this topic which is a huge breath of fresh air. So many people get instantly triggered and lose all ability to use logic.
Refering to passing trans person with their biological pronouns sounds so forced. I bet Ben during fluent, quick conversantion would slip "she/her" while talking about for example Blaire at least once...
He did when he was talking about the transgender woman/Ginuwine thing lol
ua-cam.com/video/IpE8ss-eDsw/v-deo.html
around 1:13 :)
I think it's a pride issue . maybe he is just bored and would feel like he'd be vulnerable and hypocritical if he openly changed his opinion
Rubin Chavarria aka feels over reals. Ironic
Rubin Chavarria No, he is jewish, he abides by his religion and he is his own person and doesnt have to follow the ways of this crazy world
tatsuya58 Wouldnt change anything. Like the fact that blaire is a man biologically 😊 Keep trying though, the rest of us will live in reality 😊
These are the kinds of conversations that we should be having. Blaire is a voice of reason.
This is not a debate. You're literally agreeing with eachother for 14 minutes.
blaire is more on the conservative side.
*discussing
Literally imagine being a trans woman and having a man refuse to call you by she/her and just being like “no I totally agree teehee 🥰”
exactly. she's a pure sycophant
@@chaelasparks8396 i fucking know right
both of them are very problematic
nah sorry i still don’t get it. it doesn’t make sense to refer to someone like Blaire as ‘he’ at any time. Even though it’s reasonable to acknowledge the fact she’s trans in the context of biology, no one would ever think of her as a male at face value
If someone’s a man then it’s a he it’s people preference we can’t force people to do that
agree. blaire looks very much like a biological woman so it makes so sense to misgender her even on accident, and the only times her biological sex should matter is either with a doctor or in a romantic situation. I honestly was so confused this whole "debate" wtf even was ben's argument?
Grande Leonardo yeah never force anyone to do or say anything if it goes against their beliefs it’s just life
babushka it goes against his beliefs to call a man a women and use pronouns for a women if they are not a biological women it’s his beliefs respect them even if you disagree just like Blaire does
That's his point. There is a point on apparence from others and subjective reference to self. If you appear to be man, most people will call you a man. This is because people use description of objects in easiest way possible. But forcing someone to describe an object is another thing. This difference is nuance and context of the descriptions, but from the recent history it seems to be intimidation to force people to describe gender and sex in a particular way.
I'm 57 years old. For me, I don't see any problem with politely calling someone a she if she prefers to be called thus, (even if I think she is a he). I honestly don't see the problem. It's just the nice thing to do.
I draw the line at mandating it through laws...
Yes, it should be about politeness. And I totally agree about the legal aspect of it. There doesn't need to a law requiring people to use a particular pronoun. However, while we should definitely give people latitude if and when they make a mistake in the pronoun used, this extension of latitude shouldn't be used as a shield for malicious intent. There should always be consideration of context.
Honest question: how do you feel about trans people using the bathrooms/locker rooms of their chosen gender?
You morons have too much of a fixation on where people go to take a shit. Seek help.
Jeffrey Dean But that's not reality, you don't go up to every person and ask what gender would they like to be called. Also some do not want to be called he or she which could be even more confusing hence the reason why Ben said he would ask for the person's name which people usually do.
I think you should call people what you want to call people. That's it. You don't get to decide which words i use. I don't get to decide which words you use.
So basically Ben is trying to ask Blaire to dinner in so many words... xD
haha
Except Blaire is the one who started the whole dinner argument.
For me, if you're passable and/or a respectful person, I'll use your pronouns.
just say respectful the passable thing is more of an opinion and therefor it’s stupid.
seanjaja97 yh I get it's subjective, and respect is much more important imo. It's just harder if they look exactly like they did before they were trans ygm
Rhys Williams in my opinion it doesn’t really matter if they’re passable, but the most polite thing to do is call them by whatever they asked you to.
Maeve sure I get it's most polite, but you don't have to be polite. Don't get the government to tell me what pronouns to use on someone or shout at me if I use the wrong ones. Just be respectful and I'll respond with the pronouns you want
Rhys Williams but ben won't if he writes an article
I was kind of nervous for Blaire because Ben tends to talk fast and speak in absolutes, but she held her own soooo well. I love both of them so much, and I’m happy to see them sort of getting along.
I was also pleasantly surprised! This was a very good video.
It wasn’t a debate. There was just a conversation. They both share a lot of the same views. They both are pretty objective when it comes to this topic.
I don't know if they've ever met (they do live close to each other) but they are more like good acquaintances. Really the majority of conservatives on UA-cam are.
They agreed on everything and found a common ground in the area of misunderstanding so I'm not sure what you mean🤔
*sarcastically* Yaaaaay, they're teaming up...
2 adults having a mature and rational conversation. Nice
You said it, brother. Western civilization, and the European appreciation for dialectic that it was built on, are beautiful things.
just two guys talking, two swinging dicks shooting the breeze.
Thanks Blaire, I've always respect Trans women like you. I must admit, I really lost my faith in this whole woke movement. Personally, I think they have put the Trans movement back in the dark ages. You're a breath of fresh air to see some sanity with Trans people again. I wish you lots of love and peace.
I can see where Ben is coming from with wanting to stick with what is objectively true and not giving in to emotion-based arguments, however I don't quite agree with him on this point. Essentially I think pronouns should come naturally, that's how they function, and if you look at someone and read them as male or female then that's how you'd refer to them. Sometimes it's obvious that they're biologically one sex but clearly trying to present as the other, and that still to me makes it feel quite natural to refer to them as they'd prefer. I instinctively read Blaire as a woman and it would feel unnatural and take conscious effort to refer to her with male pronouns.
What this also means, though, is that I end up kind of agreeing with Ben regarding trans people who make absolutely no effort to actually transition yet still demand you use their preferred pronouns. If I met someone looking like Ben and he asked to be referred to with female pronouns I'd just be confused. Another kind of relevant thing is that stubbornly using pronouns based on biological sex doesn't really serve a purpose, you know? Like, me referring to Blaire with male pronouns isn't beneficial to anyone, it's not how most people would naturally refer to her and it frankly is just making a stubborn statement, to me. Even if a trans person doesn't "pass" as well as Blaire does, there really is no real-life advantage to referring to them as their biological sex.
HOWEVER, it kind of pisses me off when SJW-types absolutely refuse to even acknowledge that trans people's gender doesn't match their biological sex and wouldn't even use it in contexts where it's ACTUALLY relevant, like in medical contexts where your biology absolutely does matter.
Oh, I'd like to add one thing: The fact that transgenderism is a medical diagnosis is in a way, to me, a biological basis for referring to them as the gender they identify with. It's not something they just made up for fun, it's something in their actual biology making them that way.
"Even if a trans person doesn't "pass" as well as Blaire does, there really is no real-life advantage to referring to them as their biological sex"
Yeah but what advantage is there to referring them to their preferred pronoun? Somehow someone is worse for not wanting to do something that is unnecessary. If I don't have to refer to them as their pronoun than why should I?
IF we are talking about real Trans people. Sadly a lot of LGBT militants are taking it to the extreme, and anyone can claim to be trans.
The God you never knew The advantage is that it is their preferred pronoun, and it is a respectful, decent thing to refer to someone as they prefer, rather than for you to refer to someone as you prefer just because you don't like it
DID YOU JUST ASSUMED MY GENDER?
How lucky was I to stumble across your channel? You are such an inspiration to me and so many people. Before I found channels like yours I thought I was a nonbinary transgender woman, but thanks to you I now realise I am just a bisexual man, thank you so much, love you!!
Edit: LOL, thx for all the support!
Alex Pazos that's actually awesome dude. I'm straight and still like her content. But its cool as fuck seeing her actively help people.
Awesome
Alex Pazos
No offence and assuming that you are not trolling ...........lol
Yeah I would agree that it helps if you keep it simple.
andrew joyner no worries, hahah, Im not trolling. Anyways, why should that offend anyone? Simplicity is the road to intellect!
She tends to do that to people, help show the light to confused people lol
Glad to hear you were able to find yourself with some help. :)
I would call you "she" Blair. I'd call you anything you want. That's just manners. But I'm not in favor of a law to force anybody to do it. We shouldn't be legislating bad manners. Thanks for your show.
You call her zim or ze? Would you call me your majesty? No you wouldnt. Your manners would be subjectively applied and that would be idoicy. I dont know who is right but this manner argument is stupid.
born free Your missing the point bruh
Manners? Or facts?
Jack, Blaire also is against infringing on freedom of speech by enacting laws that require you to use proper pronouns.
That is ridiculous...yes we would call Blaire she or her but if it was a trans woman that you were ringing up that person's groceries at your job and that person TOTALLY looked like a dude and you called that person "sir" and they got pissed cause they consider themselves a "woman" but totally look like a man...then what?
She is the first transgender person to have all my respect and admiration. You are so level-headed and reasonable, which is becoming rarer and rarer. I'm glad I came across your account because I was beginning to lose hope in humanity, so many people seem to be losing the ability for common sense and it's scary when you have small children.
I had to come here from the Jessica Yaniv debate just to see Blaire debating with someone who has common sense
Yeah I love Blaire and Ben but I agree with Blaire on this but Jessica Yanvi is UNBEARABLE and should be arrested
Same here. I had to watch that video in pieces due to my schedule, and to be honest, I couldn’t finish it because I felt myself getting nauseated every time Yaniv opened his mouth... this was very refreshing.
Blinking ARMY-L ahhha you got your wish😂 I guess you spoke it into existence. Thanks man!!
Watching the Yaniv one was exhausting.
ben has common sense? lmfao
I feel like they both are agreeing with eachother but Blaire is arguing on a practical level and Ben is arguing on a biological level.
M. Bellelove Yes, for sure. Because Blair cares more about being practical, while Ben always looks at biology as the main thing. But at the same time, Ben agrees with Blair when it comes to being practical and Blair agrees with Ben when it comes to biology.
I value practicality. Most people I interact with, I interact with them only on a practical level. I'm very selective about whom I interact with biologically.
No need to FEEL, they ARE agreeing.
Well they're agreeing, so your feelings are wrong...
Brocialist Party of America if that ain't a joke then idk what is ...
Ben is chill. It's a shame people compare him to alt-right supremacists, and shame public figures for following him on Twitter.
Ben Shapiro, the alt-right Jew. Has a nice ring to it.
@Sam Dinnan He often comes off as a smug dick. It depends on who he’s debating with. This is actually the first time I like him.
@THE DARK KNIGHT'S REPUBLICAN Imagine saying this unironically.
he's an idiot
DimebagVision fuckin liberal keep being reeeee
Best debate I've ever seen. Very respectful and no screaming involved. Great job to both Blaire and Ben.
I’m glad Blaire didn’t threaten to send him home in an ambulance!
That was just proving the fact he was in fact male wasnt it!
Vics Tee uh, no, it just proved that she can have a civil conversation.
callie wanna im not talking about blaire. Im referring to the treat made to ben.
Yeah, except that in the treat made to Ben in that situation, Ben actually called the trans woman SIR. If I was a trans woman, it would react the same fucking way. Ben was being really provacative in that particular situation.
@@renatinho_cabeleira I think it was rude and unnecessary, but it inadvertantly proved a point. No one there would've accept a threat of violence from someone like Ben to any of his opponents even if they mislabeled him as a Her simply to prove a point against him. Nor would they accept it if he were labeled something insultingly incorrect like a homophobe or racist. If you would grab someone physically and threaten them with violence if they misgendered you on purpose, I strongly disagree with that method. I don't think most trans people, or most people in general, would ever stoop that level when deeply insulted during a televised debate and have never seen that anywhere else.
The calmest conversation between and trans person and ben ever. It's nice to see that both Ben and Blaire can be so level headed talking about a difficult situate
The only reason that is is because they're both conservative. So he sees her as being on his side.
Honestly Ben said some straight up disrespectful things to Blaire.This conversation was only calm because Blaire didn’t take it personally.
That happens when 2 adults are talking.
A female wannabe and a effeminate straight dude lmao
@@CristianMartinez-cr1eo what did he say that was disrespectful?
Two of the most reasonable people on UA-cam. Just weird to watch such a civil and intelligent conversation without SJW style hysteria. SOMEONE SHOUT OR SOMETHING!
Love your work, both of you.
Let's bring Candace (red pill black) on, and we'll fix that civility and lack of shouting for you!
Wahlez ! SLAP MY ASS AND CALL ME GRANDAD!!!
Gracie Beauregard not again!
+Wahlez: Isn't it sad? That the norm has become shouting matches and shitshows and insults? That we are *IN SHOCK* when we see discussions that go the way discussion is supposed to go. We are living in upside down land.
I know man, it's the third time this week
I love both these people.. as a trans woman i think Mr. Shapiro gets a bad rap from people thinking he hates of people. I have always found him educated and respectful. I worry about the younger generations is quick to change the definitions of words to suite them and get mad if we don’t like to conform. I am very aware of being a biological man but am a trans woman. .i agree with Blair and always have as well as Ben. I would be friends with these people on any day.
I disagree with his political views, but he actually seems like a really nice person. Sometimes disagreeing with someone makes you think they are horrible. Thank you Ben for reminding me people aren’t bad for believing differently.
Which he??
Was about to like this comment before I saw you asking for likes.
Ideologically Ben Shapiro is suppose to be my enemy.
On Twitter though he is the funniest political commentator. I wish other talking heads had his humor
Nik I mean...I think that's over an simplification but ultimately agree. In general I think Shapiro has made hypocritical statements without seeing his own double standard
Nik lmao. What friggin planet are you on?!? Here’s a clue... if your default answer to anybody that is not a lock step socialist ideologue is something along these lines ... you are an idiot incapable of articulating even simple points ... maybe go learn how to make a point before puking all over the youscape
Everyone misunderstands Ben. He doesn't misgender on purpose to stand by his beliefs, he just doesn't want people confusing each other into believing something that isn't true. He doesn't want biological males wrestling in a women's league, and he doesn't want biological females in the boy scouts. Ben has a worldview where physical truth comes first, and personal preference comes 2nd. So when you have a biological male demanding everyone say she's the same as a biological female because it's her personal preference, Ben has a problem with that because it's objectively not true in a physical sense.
Guitarmaster7272 im transgender. I’ve never demanded that im the same as a biological boy.
Guitarmaster7272 THANK YOU, YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH
I agree except that he refuses to call "passing" trans women by their preferred pronouns. They aren't asking to wrestle is a women's league, they're just presenting in a female way. I think he needs to get over this opinion where he calls passing trans women he. It just creates confusion.
@@ihavenoideawhatgoeso why did you assumed he's a bad person when he talked about The truth!? If i assumed myself as kryptorian would you said to The people who called me as human was a bad person!?
@@safiralhaq8462 I never said he was a bad person. I like Ben. You're comment makes no sense my friend.
While I don’t completely agree with either of them, I can really appreciate how they handled this. this was extremely civil and respectful and that’s admirable.
What is your opinion on this
The question wasn't directed at me, but if it was, I'd say, whatever. I think people worry about things too much. Call her a she and be on your way. She's not asking to be called a biological female. Frankly, it's more important to me at this point in time to drive to the store and buy a pizza.
Love Blaire & how she debates in a way that actually has a chance to change minds
Technically, she's not debating (your truth against mine) she's having a dialog (your truth plus mine)
@@MateoKupstysChica yeah but your truth + mine is still a good way to change someone's mind about the smaller things. Like him calling her a woman she/her after initially being clear he'd only refer to Blair or people like her by their name or their chosen pronouns yknow. He still changed in that area