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A few things: The bankai 5-10x is in reference to combat ability not necessarily raw power. Ceros being light speed is a bit nonsensical. They are spiritual light so its not possible to just assume there as fast as natural light. They also do things like move at different speeds and have special properties that show us its not natural light. Plus it was blatantly stated in the CFYOW light novel that Candice's reishi lightning was far slower than an actual lightning bolt which just confirms reishi attacks are different from the real thing. Plus Gin's bankai speed mach 500 being considered the fastest in the soul society means thinking there lightning speed let alone light speed is nonsensical, regardless on if he was lying or not as it still has to be believable to be a useful lie.
There still many ways to still get bleach light speed lol like uryu who blitz his own shadow in ss arc and in said ss arc the lieutenant dodge the nagation which is stated inverse and outverse to be a beam of light and fodder espada who dodge literal sunlight,ss bankai ichigo who cut 10 million senbursakura blades there many way to get bleach light speed
@@giodonn5172 Uryu NEVER blitzed his own shadow, the negacion is NOT light speed, NO Espada dodged sunlight, and Ichigo did NOT individually cut every single blade. All you bleach fans can is misconstrue basic actions to fit your own nonsensical narrative instead of being truthfull about what's ACTUALLY happening.
@@Hedge3523 why the are you coping you literally just using you headcanon and delusion to say that drop your cord let me send you the scans and let me run your pockets you just deny all my point with no proof of your claims you said My cord Gio donn#2517
@@Hedge3523 aaroniero literally dodge sunlight this just to show you don't watch bleach uryu when he was fight mayuri,he got a zenkai and straight up blitzes his own shadow
@@giodonn5172 No they didn't lol. He never dodged sunlight, all he did was move out of the way of a falling wall. Yes if the wall finished falling it would reveal the light but again he moved before the wall even finished breaking so there was no light to even dodge. And "blitzing his shadow" isn't a thing. All we see is his shadow on the ground while he's not in panel. He didn't blitz anything he just jumped in the air which is why we see his shadow but not him. Even in the chunin exams chapter 83 page 3 Rock lee does the same exact thing so if Uryu is light speed just from jumping off panel so is weightless rock lee 🤣.
I'd say this all depends how quickly Kenpachi takes this fight seriously. If he sees those balls and realizes what they are. I think Nozarashi which cut through a dimension rift in space/time could easily cleave the Truth Seeking Orbs. While Limbo does provide a unique problem we have seen how Kenny will handle it. Four Limbo Clones, I'd say they get 3/4 hits in before they get Merced like Tousen did
Agreed but I would still lean more towards madara and Obito because I don’t think Kenny has a direct counter for things like the infinite tsuyomi and they just have too many hax for him to deal with, but I respect your take.
@@orpheemulemo8053 me when idk scaling just cause it says infinite power doesn't mean it has infinite power if so than it can beat goku so can a ten tails beat goku? No right exactly it's called a hyperbole if you want that Statment you need feats which clearly oppose the statement outright
@@andrewthomas5694 It's not just hyperbole it's said twice even again in canon manga by kurama kaguya creates worlds if we say that there universes than she has a form of infinite power and in the Data books it says the Tentails is a piece of a greater Tentails which has the power to create the Universe all these statements are consistentcy the author wants to build Not only that if the information of the Naruto Road to ninja movie is accurate then infinite Tsukyomi actually creates parrel universes or is connected to other universes when the person is placed there minds are placed within a parrel universe with there best desires but that's the movie it's not canon but it has alot of things that is canon
@@orpheemulemo8053 allat statements for road to ninja not being canon and the feats being incredibly inconsistent naruto shippuden is at best multi planetary the fact that you have to source a non-canon movie goes to show how stupid your scaling truly is cry about it
@@andrewthomas5694 a non canon movie yes but kishimoto in an interview said he wanted to make it canon it has also alot of information correct like narutos KCM mode before he even got it he could of used information for the original plans for infinite Tsukyomi inside of that movie also things like Izanagi have the ability to change reality but are listed as genjutsu so why wouldnt infinite Tsukyomi the strongest genjutsu have that power It's stated Itachis normal Tsukuyomi is an infinite mental space were he controls time space gravity and matter within the illusion world Im just saying characters have been said to have Infinite power before it's no inconsistent
This video is pretty inaccurate. Kenpachi cuts the soul, which in Naruto negates this type of regeneration. Further, in bleach Shinigami do have existence banishment for those they defeat. As for sensing the nether clones… Kenpachi vs Tousen is a pretty good example of his ability to react to and defeat enemies he cannot see, further vs Gremmy it was shown that Kenny can cut across Dimensions (a standard ability for hollows in Bleach). Since Kenpachi is relatively bad at sensing reiatsu, so he probably wouldn’t sense the nether clones before they attacked, like most shinigami would have (as shown with most hollow appearances) Now for your biggest problem with the fight: Kenpachi without Shikai or Bankai defeated Bankai Unohana. Yes, he was weaker than her for most of the fight… but she is the specific bar for “Yamamoto is twice as powerful as a captain” and Yamamoto is universal. Even if you ignore that power tiering and simply read it as Kenpachi’s potential to be universal+… while fighting Gremmy he was shown cutting through a pocket dimension with many stars in it (even if you only read it as a portal) he cut through multiple stars when escaping putting him at multi-solar on the low end and universal+ on the high end. While there are galactic, universal+ and low multiversal characters in Naruto… these two aren’t it
Big fax bro these bleach goons always use same argument because"oh im a soul so this guy cant touch" thats soo boring in databook is LITTERALY stated that "CHAKRA IS A MIX BETWEEN PHISIQUE ENERGY AND SPIRITUAL ENERGY" Anyways w as always keep going with it
Nice try but sry to tell it here again there is no way these two would win sry. You just still forgot the simple fact that to hurt a Shinigami alone need a spiritual weapon which the truth seeking orbs are not! And even if we consider them as such the spiritual power of the user of this orb need to be stronger than this of Kenpachi which simply never will be the case. And also you forgot that either Obito nor Madara can even see Kenpachi since he is in a whole different dimension than both of them, the spiritual one. And when we consider Madaras Clones as part of that world he would been able to see this clones. But even if not they never can defeat Kenpachi since his own spiritual Power is way stronger than the spiritual power of these two. Since he fought for several hundrets of years like that, while Obito and Madara only would been able to fight him when they become Konpaku themselves and that means they are not able to use Jutsu anymore since Jutsu need soul AND body to even produce Chakra, that means as Konpaku they ultimatively lose the ability to use their Chakra since they lack of a body. (That is proven by the aspect that no dead being can directly use any Jutsu or stuff if not getting a body through a Jutsu like Edo Tensei, where their bodies of dirty allow them to use their Chakra, not to forget that that also is linked to the user of this Jutsu in first place) So in Naruto you can not use any Jutsu without a body. Only souls can not do anything. So now we know that NO living being can hurt Kenpachi since on Shinigami like Kenpachi is one ONLY Zanpakuto or Kido can work, attacks made out of spiritual energy alone THAT IS STATED IN BLEACH RIGHT IN THE START! Means no weapons or Jutsu will work on Kenpachi, which they both still are not able to see, and that also include the Orbs. Not to forget these Orbs only nullifies ninjutus, since Kenpachi his body is not made out of ninjutsu it never would have the effect like it had on the revived people. And since they are part of the material world in Naruto this orbs are material objects too which alone because of that can not even hurt Kenpachi at all. And like I said above hurting a Shinigami makes it nesessary that your own spiritual energy is stronger as the one of this Shinigami you want to hurt. Which for sure is not the case here. Since the power of Obito and Madara is not from their soul alone it is their Chakra which is created of the combined process of body AND soul. While Kenpachi other than these two does not need to use his power like that since his pure soul is so powerful that he alone with his spiritual pressure can make normal Shinigami fell unconcious and that was not even his full energy. But back to the point that both of them can not fight Kenpachi when been alive and in their material bodies. Even a planetary explosion wont have any effect on Kenpachi since it still is no spiritual attack that means all that planetary level talking is nonsense here, cause every Shinobi in Naruto will lose the ability to use their Jutsu as soon as they are dead, since they are only souls at that point which does take them the ability to produce Chakra. So now as a Konpaku they first need to learn to use Reiatsu and that will take a very long time even when they are talented, that means, if they even are able to learn to use Reiatsu at a Shinigami level they are still hundrets of years away from a BORN Shinigami which as a kid was stronger as the strongest Shinigami there ever was at that time, and is a pure blood Shinigami. Even Ichigo someone born a Shinigami, Quincy and part Hollow and Human means a being out of all beings there are nearly died in his first fight with Kenpachi. And neither Obito nor Madara are born Shinigami or even have part Quincy or Hollow in them. They are kinda normal humans alone. Means they do not have any advantages over other dead souls in the soul society. While Kenpachi is born a soul and fought his whole live and was even as a kid strong enough to defeat Unohana. So sry to tell you but the basic assumption already is made it all wrong. Simply the fact that a living material being can never defeat a soul already made this fight a instant lose for Obito and Madara. And to anyone come up with the Quincy, they use the spiritual power in the air, the very same energy which made the bodies of Shinigami to fight them. Mean yea they maybe are living beings too, but other than Shinobi they use real spiritual particles to been able to hurt a Shinigami. That is a whole different story than Chakra. Maybe ONLY MAYBE the natural Chakra can be considered the same, but hardly is the same to be honest. Since this also is just the Chakra set free in the air by all being, what still is Chakra. But that maybe I would take in credit here. Anyway, Kenpachi is always the winner, since both of them can not fight him when been alive, and when as soul are not able to use any of their Jutsu anymore. And even if their Reiatsu need to be stronger than Kenpachis which it also wont be for at least hundrets of years. Edit.: since I saw it in the answers of my comment I now reach the point in stop explaining what you hardcore Naruto Fans always got wrong about Bleach AND Naruto. It was proven to me by one of the commentors here that he rather twist the whole bleach verse, than actual get that the Naruto verse is not that strong as he wish it was. He bent the bleach verse to a degree that even the existence of Quincy and Shinigami is absolutely pointless, that they are in the core are not even needed to be in the story at all only to make his own argument become true. Not to forget that he call me a liar when I already said where he can find the part I was talking about. It is such insane and braindead and happens everytime from these braindead Naruto fans that I decided to stop try to explain it anymore from now on. It is just a waste of time and energy. The most fun part here for me is that I not even like bleach more than naruto but instead of most of Naruto fans I am able to see what the weaknesses of Naruto and Bleach are and also what their strength are. But still I can say there is no way these two can defeat Kenpachi since they either have to fight in his realm or he in their. And to be fair here as long as Kenpachi would be in a gigai he sure would have no chance but as soon he got sucked out of it or the gigai is destroyed both of them are dead. It is as simple as that they can not defeat Kenpachi in his spiritual form PERIOD. Anyway it sometimes was fun but it is ovet now for me. Insane and braindead arguments twisting and bending one story so hard that the story itself does implode only to get your weak arguments become true? I am over it bye
That is just completely false! Spiritual attacks are not needed to hurt beings like shinigami and hollows. In the first chapter we blatantly see Ichigo in human form kick a soul reaper tho he wasn't using any spiritual attacks. In chapter 9 we see Chad who only has normal physical punches was able to punch a hollow in which rukia says even regular humans can touch Hollows and soul reapers because of there high density spiritual bodies. In the same chapter we even see a hollow get smacked by a telephone pole. So yes, physical attacks do work!!! And seeing as truth seeker orbs were able to damage Minatos soul they do attack at the spiritual level, but that isn't even needed in this fight since physical attacks work on souls in the bleach world unlike in Naruto!!! Obito and Madara both possess the rinnegan which allows you to see, touch, extract, and absorb souls so yes they can see Kenpachi!!! So no, they do not need to become souls to damage Kenpachi. Also it is indeed NEVER stated that only zanpakutou and kido work on shinigami, THIS IS A BLATANT LIE!!!! And no, spiritual energy is NOT required to hurt a shinigami as again regular punches and telephone poles can hurt there's spiritual beings, so enough physical strength is ALL that is required.
Now for ur knowledge they can see kenpachi because Naruto grab his soul from getting pulled by nagato and orochimaru plays with shinigamis + Tso can literally moleculy obliterate spritual beings and kenpachi is a spritual being if you're talking about spiritual pressure that doesn't work because it works only if someone is weaker than you but Madara and Obito are stronger than him so it won't work + if we are doing verse equalization so they will simply put him in the genjutsu with out verse equalization it is possible because in itachi's light novel it is stated that you can use genjutsu on someone that has no chakra + Kenpachi cannot able to see Limbo clones because their from another plane of existence
@@Hedge3523 dude haha Ichigo let out hia spiritual energy all the time even in his human body he can touch and see ghost because of his spiritual energy same goes for the rest. And touching a shinigami is possible yes but there is a very huge difference in touching and hurting that really is not that hard to get. It is also stated that sure material bodies can touch hollows and shinigami but they just can not hurt them period. The only things who really can hurt them and potentialöy kill them are Zanpakutos, Quincy techniques or Kido NOTHING ELSE. And they do have to become souls because in another way nothing would work. Also you are wrong about that it never stated that only a Zanpakuto can hurt a Shinigami. It was stated when Ichigo was trained by Urahara after he got back his powers that is why he did not evade his sword in that moment cause he thought it is just a normal sword and these just can not hurt a Shinigami. So mate you are very wrong about that it is not stated cause it is. Oh and you better double check arguments you bring cause I will check them and I am pretty sure they can not see souls. But if I am wrong here I will see it. I proven so many guys wrong with their arguments so better watch what you say. Back to your argument that Chad punched a Hollow. You are right he does. But did he really hurt him so hard he could kill him? NO since that is just not possible. Since normal strength even from the strongest human wont kill a hollow not to say any shinigami. Do not get hurt a hollow and touch a hollow or shinigami wrong please. NO They do not work in the way you want them to work. It hit him BUT NEVER WERE ABLE TO KILL IT. Dude same mistake as someone other I talked to before the truth seeker orb did not attack Minatos soul it just nullified the ninjutsu which hold his soul connected with his fake body. His soul still was intact just the connection to his body parts were gone. That is also that what everyone gets wrong about these orbs. And no physical attacks do not work in the way you say. Also very not smart to compare a mere hollow who just got punched to Kenpacho here. That is very hilarious. Not even to tell you that the hollow did not even hat a scratch from that phone pole. So what the hell you talking? Clearly you do not get the difference of touchable and hurtable. It is not anywhere stated that the rinnegan give you the power to see souls that simply is not true. And since it was never anywhere to be seen since in Naruto there would have been no souls to see at all that makes this point absolutely a farce. You just say it because you want it to be true. However WHAT YOU ARE RIGHT WITH is the ability to suck out souls. That is true yet how do you suck out the soul of a soul? For real do you even think about what you say? So dude you are hella wrong about what the rinnegan is capable of. Do learn about it please. And to the last point again IT IS STATED IN THE TRAINING BETWEEN URAHARA AN ICHIGO. very funny how you tell it a lie though. And again you clearly do not get still that touching a spiritual being and really hurt it is a whole difference. Let me ask you. Did it seem that Chad really hurt that hollow? Did he really hurt him with the pole or just hit him? For real dude your way of debating is like you see what you want to see and do anything to change it your way. But okay benefit of a doubt lets assume that hits from chat maybe would have hurt this hollow you sure know that that was not even a strong hollow? Not even anywhere a opponent to Kenpachi he would have not even needed to use his sword since that hollow was so weak that he also could not even hurt Kenpachi since hurting a spiritual opponent as a spiritual being your spiritual power need to be higher than his. And sry but Chakra is not the same here as Reiatsu. Learn to really understand what you see before talking please. And better never call out someone a lier when I did not lie at all only cause you are absolutely bad in research. Anyway clearly you do not get simple differences so it is no use to talk to you any more cause your brain already twist all what I told you into something else. Oh and just to clearify I do not downtalk naruto or want to do it. I just tell you that objectiely there is no way for them to win and also tell why with reasons while you just come with made up reasons what kinda all you hardcore naruto fans come up with. It showed me you do get wrong bleach in his whole you do get wrong the rinnegan and the truth seeking orbs. So tell me why should I talk with you any longer when you already got all that wrong but talk you know everything right? Anyway bye
@@nerdry2691 You can't prove he let's out his spiritual energy when he attacks someone. Yes he has spiritual energy but you need to prove that's incorporated into his attacks in human form, show me the statement. Also as I've already shown with chapter 9 Chad who has NO spiritual energy just physical strength was able to punch and harm a hollow. And not just that but a telephone pole is also able to harm it blatantly proving physical attacks hurt, you don't have an argument. No that's not stated anywhere, again BLATANTLY LYING!!! You could at least have put up the chapter number but you don't have ANYTHING to confirm or support what your saying. YOUR the one that should double check your argument. Soul manipulation is a basic ability of the rinnegan human path. I've proven your ENTIRE argument wrong with A SINGLE CHAPTER!!!! That's just not an argument AT ALL. Being able to damage Hollows means they can die, there's no evidence that suggests otherwise. Just because he didn't kill the hollow doesn't mean it's impossible to do so. That is literally the definition of an ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE!!!! That is another blatant lie! In naruto chapter 691 when the reanimation jutsu was UNDONE Minatos soul STILL didn't have arms even when he wasn't a ninjutsu anymore meaning it HAD to have directly affected his soul! Yes physical attacks do work that way, you have no evidence otherwise!!! The only thing I'm drawing from that comparison is that spiritual beings can be hurt by physical attacks if there strong enough, that's all! The only difference between "touchable" and "hurtable" is that just because you can touch something doesn't mean your strong enough to damage it but since Obito and Madara ARE strong enough to damage him AND I've proven he can be touched there's absolutely NO reason to say physical attacks won't work!! It doesn't need to be stated, it's completely asinine to say they can't see souls! Naruto who does even have special eyes could see the rinnegan pulling his soul out, there's absolutely NO reason the rinnegan can't also see the soul its ripping out. Naruto DOES NOT have better visual prowess than the rinnegan!!! Plus they can see the king of hell which in of itself is a spiritual being! Again no it is not! You don't even have a proper cite! And yes Chad did hurt him, he screamed in pain saying AGH!! in bold letters!! Also even if he didn't hurt the hollow(which he did) that would just mean he wasn't physical strong enough to do so! And I'm just proving physical attacks work on them not that Chad can damage them so it doesn't matter!!! Again the strength of the hollow doesn't matter, the point is to prove physical attacks work on spiritual beings!! So it doesn't matter that Chad or the Hollow wouldn't be strong enough to damage Kenpachi because Obito and Madara are!!! You clearly don't understand the simple fact physical strength can outdo spiritual energy which is shown and stated time and time again!! Reread bleach then come back to me.
So this is disrespect bleach get kenpachi planetary wtf so your saying Kenny is realtive to ss to pre arrancar arc Ichigo who's planetary to Large planetary and easily star to solar cause senna destroy a dimension that literally has star in it and you can argue there's a sun in las noches making it even more consistent speed it's not a debate Kenny blitz badly ss ichigo 500-800x ftl in ss arc easily putting him mftl I'm going to leave the speed scaling there I if I go higher it's overkill the only wincon I see Madara and Obito has are the tso cause kenny isnt immune to existence erasure but don't be surprised if Kenny just cut trough the tso I knew from i hear small planetary to planetary kenny i just knew obito and madara are win dude your going to downplay bleach scaling to be realative to narito character whats the point having a debating bleach vs Naruto if your baisness is going to come in play you justs debate extreme lowballed kenpachi vs a consistent scaling for Madara and Obito keep kenny relative or below them this is a absolute joke like it death battle this is a naruto channel so this is the outcome im expecting Naruto fans can cope why bleach is infinitely the stronger verse well it's the creator bias opinion cause he glaze the Naruto verse and can't cope why bleach is the stronger verse kenpachi beats Madara and Obito no concept of diff and proceeds to solos Naruto Shippuden
@@Uzumaki042 why should I cry and you are the guys coping cause you are not on bleach lvl when it comes to power scaling drop your cord and let's me run your pockets lil bro Giodonn#2517 I know you're going to duck cause I'm going to smoke your ass
@@Hedge3523 why should I cry and you are the guys coping cause you are not on bleach lvl when it comes to power scaling drop your cord and let's me run your pockets lil bro Giodonn#2517 I know you're going to duck cause I'm going to smoke your ass
@@Uzumaki042 why should I cry and you are the guys coping cause you are not on bleach lvl when it comes to power scaling drop your cord and let's me run your pockets lil bro Giodonn#2517 I know you're going to duck cause I'm going to smoke your ass
Madara and obito completely stomp Kenpachi, all of his attacks are straight forward he’s pretty intelligent but it’s madara 😂 he’s wayy smarter. Truthseeker orbs one tap as well
I mean yeah it was going to destroy the Seireitei which is around the size of a country, but after calculating the size and velocity it was coming down at, it should have enough energy to destroy a small planet
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First and w video,
Naruto character are lowkey underrated now days
indeed bro
You mean overrated
Kenny raw dawgs the verse
@@DaddyAizensōsuke where do you scale him?
He cut outer space in the anime ig
A few things:
The bankai 5-10x is in reference to combat ability not necessarily raw power.
Ceros being light speed is a bit nonsensical. They are spiritual light so its not possible to just assume there as fast as natural light. They also do things like move at different speeds and have special properties that show us its not natural light. Plus it was blatantly stated in the CFYOW light novel that Candice's reishi lightning was far slower than an actual lightning bolt which just confirms reishi attacks are different from the real thing. Plus Gin's bankai speed mach 500 being considered the fastest in the soul society means thinking there lightning speed let alone light speed is nonsensical, regardless on if he was lying or not as it still has to be believable to be a useful lie.
There still many ways to still get bleach light speed lol like uryu who blitz his own shadow in ss arc and in said ss arc the lieutenant dodge the nagation which is stated inverse and outverse to be a beam of light and fodder espada who dodge literal sunlight,ss bankai ichigo who cut 10 million senbursakura blades there many way to get bleach light speed
@@giodonn5172 Uryu NEVER blitzed his own shadow, the negacion is NOT light speed, NO Espada dodged sunlight, and Ichigo did NOT individually cut every single blade. All you bleach fans can is misconstrue basic actions to fit your own nonsensical narrative instead of being truthfull about what's ACTUALLY happening.
@@Hedge3523 why the are you coping you literally just using you headcanon and delusion to say that drop your cord let me send you the scans and let me run your pockets you just deny all my point with no proof of your claims you said
My cord
Gio donn#2517
@@Hedge3523 aaroniero literally dodge sunlight this just to show you don't watch bleach uryu when he was fight mayuri,he got a zenkai and straight up blitzes his own shadow
@@giodonn5172 No they didn't lol. He never dodged sunlight, all he did was move out of the way of a falling wall. Yes if the wall finished falling it would reveal the light but again he moved before the wall even finished breaking so there was no light to even dodge. And "blitzing his shadow" isn't a thing. All we see is his shadow on the ground while he's not in panel. He didn't blitz anything he just jumped in the air which is why we see his shadow but not him. Even in the chunin exams chapter 83 page 3 Rock lee does the same exact thing so if Uryu is light speed just from jumping off panel so is weightless rock lee 🤣.
It's the English translation which called that galaxy room. In the Novel it's stated that it's just a outer space.
W, Madara and Obito slam
In your dreams maybe
@@Kenos347 ?
@@MrLoops-dq9xt wdym "?"
@@Kenos347 I'm questioning what you meant when you said "in your dreams".
@@MrLoops-dq9xt are you blind to your own comment that you posted 2 months ago??
Do i really need to explain it?
Kenpachi negs the verse
Space cutting, temporal and spatial abilities are normal in bleach
I'd say this all depends how quickly Kenpachi takes this fight seriously. If he sees those balls and realizes what they are. I think Nozarashi which cut through a dimension rift in space/time could easily cleave the Truth Seeking Orbs. While Limbo does provide a unique problem we have seen how Kenny will handle it. Four Limbo Clones, I'd say they get 3/4 hits in before they get Merced like Tousen did
Agreed but I would still lean more towards madara and Obito because I don’t think Kenny has a direct counter for things like the infinite tsuyomi and they just have too many hax for him to deal with, but I respect your take.
Kenpachi wins easily.
where do you scale him?
@@Skillz1023 Easily Uni+
Kenpachi destroys meteor, madara- “what about the second one”
@@NathanHager-o6j madara is just that guy
Me when im a biased naruto fan this wasn't even close to a proper scale this is naruto fans way of coping
The Tentail and god tree have been stated ti have infinit power
@@orpheemulemo8053 me when idk scaling just cause it says infinite power doesn't mean it has infinite power if so than it can beat goku so can a ten tails beat goku? No right exactly it's called a hyperbole if you want that Statment you need feats which clearly oppose the statement outright
@@andrewthomas5694 It's not just hyperbole it's said twice even again in canon manga by kurama kaguya creates worlds if we say that there universes than she has a form of infinite power and in the Data books it says the Tentails is a piece of a greater Tentails which has the power to create the Universe all these statements are consistentcy the author wants to build
Not only that if the information of the Naruto Road to ninja movie is accurate then infinite Tsukyomi actually creates parrel universes or is connected to other universes when the person is placed there minds are placed within a parrel universe with there best desires but that's the movie it's not canon but it has alot of things that is canon
@@orpheemulemo8053 allat statements for road to ninja not being canon and the feats being incredibly inconsistent naruto shippuden is at best multi planetary the fact that you have to source a non-canon movie goes to show how stupid your scaling truly is cry about it
@@andrewthomas5694 a non canon movie yes but kishimoto in an interview said he wanted to make it canon it has also alot of information correct like narutos KCM mode before he even got it he could of used information for the original plans for infinite Tsukyomi inside of that movie also things like Izanagi have the ability to change reality but are listed as genjutsu so why wouldnt infinite Tsukyomi the strongest genjutsu have that power
It's stated Itachis normal Tsukuyomi is an infinite mental space were he controls time space gravity and matter within the illusion world
Im just saying characters have been said to have Infinite power before it's no inconsistent
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@@Skillz1023Your gonna F it up
This video is pretty inaccurate. Kenpachi cuts the soul, which in Naruto negates this type of regeneration. Further, in bleach Shinigami do have existence banishment for those they defeat. As for sensing the nether clones… Kenpachi vs Tousen is a pretty good example of his ability to react to and defeat enemies he cannot see, further vs Gremmy it was shown that Kenny can cut across Dimensions (a standard ability for hollows in Bleach). Since Kenpachi is relatively bad at sensing reiatsu, so he probably wouldn’t sense the nether clones before they attacked, like most shinigami would have (as shown with most hollow appearances)
Now for your biggest problem with the fight: Kenpachi without Shikai or Bankai defeated Bankai Unohana. Yes, he was weaker than her for most of the fight… but she is the specific bar for “Yamamoto is twice as powerful as a captain” and Yamamoto is universal. Even if you ignore that power tiering and simply read it as Kenpachi’s potential to be universal+… while fighting Gremmy he was shown cutting through a pocket dimension with many stars in it (even if you only read it as a portal) he cut through multiple stars when escaping putting him at multi-solar on the low end and universal+ on the high end.
While there are galactic, universal+ and low multiversal characters in Naruto… these two aren’t it
Big fax bro
these bleach goons always use same argument because"oh im a soul so this guy cant touch" thats soo boring
in databook is LITTERALY stated that "CHAKRA IS A MIX BETWEEN PHISIQUE ENERGY AND SPIRITUAL ENERGY"
Anyways w as always keep going with it
Drop your cord and let's run it
Gio donn#2517
Appreciate it bro🙏
Nice try but sry to tell it here again there is no way these two would win sry. You just still forgot the simple fact that to hurt a Shinigami alone need a spiritual weapon which the truth seeking orbs are not! And even if we consider them as such the spiritual power of the user of this orb need to be stronger than this of Kenpachi which simply never will be the case.
And also you forgot that either Obito nor Madara can even see Kenpachi since he is in a whole different dimension than both of them, the spiritual one. And when we consider Madaras Clones as part of that world he would been able to see this clones. But even if not they never can defeat Kenpachi since his own spiritual Power is way stronger than the spiritual power of these two. Since he fought for several hundrets of years like that, while Obito and Madara only would been able to fight him when they become Konpaku themselves and that means they are not able to use Jutsu anymore since Jutsu need soul AND body to even produce Chakra, that means as Konpaku they ultimatively lose the ability to use their Chakra since they lack of a body. (That is proven by the aspect that no dead being can directly use any Jutsu or stuff if not getting a body through a Jutsu like Edo Tensei, where their bodies of dirty allow them to use their Chakra, not to forget that that also is linked to the user of this Jutsu in first place) So in Naruto you can not use any Jutsu without a body. Only souls can not do anything.
So now we know that NO living being can hurt Kenpachi since on Shinigami like Kenpachi is one ONLY Zanpakuto or Kido can work, attacks made out of spiritual energy alone THAT IS STATED IN BLEACH RIGHT IN THE START! Means no weapons or Jutsu will work on Kenpachi, which they both still are not able to see, and that also include the Orbs. Not to forget these Orbs only nullifies ninjutus, since Kenpachi his body is not made out of ninjutsu it never would have the effect like it had on the revived people. And since they are part of the material world in Naruto this orbs are material objects too which alone because of that can not even hurt Kenpachi at all. And like I said above hurting a Shinigami makes it nesessary that your own spiritual energy is stronger as the one of this Shinigami you want to hurt. Which for sure is not the case here. Since the power of Obito and Madara is not from their soul alone it is their Chakra which is created of the combined process of body AND soul. While Kenpachi other than these two does not need to use his power like that since his pure soul is so powerful that he alone with his spiritual pressure can make normal Shinigami fell unconcious and that was not even his full energy.
But back to the point that both of them can not fight Kenpachi when been alive and in their material bodies. Even a planetary explosion wont have any effect on Kenpachi since it still is no spiritual attack that means all that planetary level talking is nonsense here, cause every Shinobi in Naruto will lose the ability to use their Jutsu as soon as they are dead, since they are only souls at that point which does take them the ability to produce Chakra. So now as a Konpaku they first need to learn to use Reiatsu and that will take a very long time even when they are talented, that means, if they even are able to learn to use Reiatsu at a Shinigami level they are still hundrets of years away from a BORN Shinigami which as a kid was stronger as the strongest Shinigami there ever was at that time, and is a pure blood Shinigami. Even Ichigo someone born a Shinigami, Quincy and part Hollow and Human means a being out of all beings there are nearly died in his first fight with Kenpachi. And neither Obito nor Madara are born Shinigami or even have part Quincy or Hollow in them. They are kinda normal humans alone. Means they do not have any advantages over other dead souls in the soul society. While Kenpachi is born a soul and fought his whole live and was even as a kid strong enough to defeat Unohana.
So sry to tell you but the basic assumption already is made it all wrong. Simply the fact that a living material being can never defeat a soul already made this fight a instant lose for Obito and Madara. And to anyone come up with the Quincy, they use the spiritual power in the air, the very same energy which made the bodies of Shinigami to fight them. Mean yea they maybe are living beings too, but other than Shinobi they use real spiritual particles to been able to hurt a Shinigami. That is a whole different story than Chakra. Maybe ONLY MAYBE the natural Chakra can be considered the same, but hardly is the same to be honest. Since this also is just the Chakra set free in the air by all being, what still is Chakra. But that maybe I would take in credit here.
Anyway, Kenpachi is always the winner, since both of them can not fight him when been alive, and when as soul are not able to use any of their Jutsu anymore. And even if their Reiatsu need to be stronger than Kenpachis which it also wont be for at least hundrets of years.
Edit.: since I saw it in the answers of my comment I now reach the point in stop explaining what you hardcore Naruto Fans always got wrong about Bleach AND Naruto. It was proven to me by one of the commentors here that he rather twist the whole bleach verse, than actual get that the Naruto verse is not that strong as he wish it was.
He bent the bleach verse to a degree that even the existence of Quincy and Shinigami is absolutely pointless, that they are in the core are not even needed to be in the story at all only to make his own argument become true.
Not to forget that he call me a liar when I already said where he can find the part I was talking about.
It is such insane and braindead and happens everytime from these braindead Naruto fans that I decided to stop try to explain it anymore from now on. It is just a waste of time and energy.
The most fun part here for me is that I not even like bleach more than naruto but instead of most of Naruto fans I am able to see what the weaknesses of Naruto and Bleach are and also what their strength are. But still I can say there is no way these two can defeat Kenpachi since they either have to fight in his realm or he in their. And to be fair here as long as Kenpachi would be in a gigai he sure would have no chance but as soon he got sucked out of it or the gigai is destroyed both of them are dead.
It is as simple as that they can not defeat Kenpachi in his spiritual form PERIOD.
Anyway it sometimes was fun but it is ovet now for me. Insane and braindead arguments twisting and bending one story so hard that the story itself does implode only to get your weak arguments become true? I am over it bye
That is just completely false! Spiritual attacks are not needed to hurt beings like shinigami and hollows. In the first chapter we blatantly see Ichigo in human form kick a soul reaper tho he wasn't using any spiritual attacks. In chapter 9 we see Chad who only has normal physical punches was able to punch a hollow in which rukia says even regular humans can touch Hollows and soul reapers because of there high density spiritual bodies. In the same chapter we even see a hollow get smacked by a telephone pole. So yes, physical attacks do work!!! And seeing as truth seeker orbs were able to damage Minatos soul they do attack at the spiritual level, but that isn't even needed in this fight since physical attacks work on souls in the bleach world unlike in Naruto!!!
Obito and Madara both possess the rinnegan which allows you to see, touch, extract, and absorb souls so yes they can see Kenpachi!!! So no, they do not need to become souls to damage Kenpachi.
Also it is indeed NEVER stated that only zanpakutou and kido work on shinigami, THIS IS A BLATANT LIE!!!! And no, spiritual energy is NOT required to hurt a shinigami as again regular punches and telephone poles can hurt there's spiritual beings, so enough physical strength is ALL that is required.
Now for ur knowledge they can see kenpachi because Naruto grab his soul from getting pulled by nagato and orochimaru plays with shinigamis
+ Tso can literally moleculy obliterate spritual beings and kenpachi is a spritual being if you're talking about spiritual pressure that doesn't work because it works only if someone is weaker than you but Madara and Obito are stronger than him so it won't work + if we are doing verse equalization so they will simply put him in the genjutsu with out verse equalization it is possible because in itachi's light novel it is stated that you can use genjutsu on someone that has no chakra
+ Kenpachi cannot able to see Limbo clones because their from another plane of existence
@@Hedge3523 dude haha Ichigo let out hia spiritual energy all the time even in his human body he can touch and see ghost because of his spiritual energy same goes for the rest. And touching a shinigami is possible yes but there is a very huge difference in touching and hurting that really is not that hard to get.
It is also stated that sure material bodies can touch hollows and shinigami but they just can not hurt them period. The only things who really can hurt them and potentialöy kill them are Zanpakutos, Quincy techniques or Kido NOTHING ELSE.
And they do have to become souls because in another way nothing would work.
Also you are wrong about that it never stated that only a Zanpakuto can hurt a Shinigami. It was stated when Ichigo was trained by Urahara after he got back his powers that is why he did not evade his sword in that moment cause he thought it is just a normal sword and these just can not hurt a Shinigami. So mate you are very wrong about that it is not stated cause it is.
Oh and you better double check arguments you bring cause I will check them and I am pretty sure they can not see souls. But if I am wrong here I will see it. I proven so many guys wrong with their arguments so better watch what you say.
Back to your argument that Chad punched a Hollow. You are right he does. But did he really hurt him so hard he could kill him? NO since that is just not possible. Since normal strength even from the strongest human wont kill a hollow not to say any shinigami. Do not get hurt a hollow and touch a hollow or shinigami wrong please.
NO They do not work in the way you want them to work. It hit him BUT NEVER WERE ABLE TO KILL IT.
Dude same mistake as someone other I talked to before the truth seeker orb did not attack Minatos soul it just nullified the ninjutsu which hold his soul connected with his fake body. His soul still was intact just the connection to his body parts were gone. That is also that what everyone gets wrong about these orbs.
And no physical attacks do not work in the way you say. Also very not smart to compare a mere hollow who just got punched to Kenpacho here. That is very hilarious. Not even to tell you that the hollow did not even hat a scratch from that phone pole. So what the hell you talking?
Clearly you do not get the difference of touchable and hurtable.
It is not anywhere stated that the rinnegan give you the power to see souls that simply is not true. And since it was never anywhere to be seen since in Naruto there would have been no souls to see at all that makes this point absolutely a farce. You just say it because you want it to be true. However WHAT YOU ARE RIGHT WITH is the ability to suck out souls. That is true yet how do you suck out the soul of a soul? For real do you even think about what you say?
So dude you are hella wrong about what the rinnegan is capable of. Do learn about it please.
And to the last point again IT IS STATED IN THE TRAINING BETWEEN URAHARA AN ICHIGO. very funny how you tell it a lie though.
And again you clearly do not get still that touching a spiritual being and really hurt it is a whole difference.
Let me ask you. Did it seem that Chad really hurt that hollow? Did he really hurt him with the pole or just hit him? For real dude your way of debating is like you see what you want to see and do anything to change it your way.
But okay benefit of a doubt lets assume that hits from chat maybe would have hurt this hollow you sure know that that was not even a strong hollow? Not even anywhere a opponent to Kenpachi he would have not even needed to use his sword since that hollow was so weak that he also could not even hurt Kenpachi since hurting a spiritual opponent as a spiritual being your spiritual power need to be higher than his.
And sry but Chakra is not the same here as Reiatsu.
Learn to really understand what you see before talking please. And better never call out someone a lier when I did not lie at all only cause you are absolutely bad in research.
Anyway clearly you do not get simple differences so it is no use to talk to you any more cause your brain already twist all what I told you into something else.
Oh and just to clearify I do not downtalk naruto or want to do it. I just tell you that objectiely there is no way for them to win and also tell why with reasons while you just come with made up reasons what kinda all you hardcore naruto fans come up with. It showed me you do get wrong bleach in his whole you do get wrong the rinnegan and the truth seeking orbs.
So tell me why should I talk with you any longer when you already got all that wrong but talk you know everything right?
Anyway bye
@@DemonFF927 fax bro
@@nerdry2691 You can't prove he let's out his spiritual energy when he attacks someone. Yes he has spiritual energy but you need to prove that's incorporated into his attacks in human form, show me the statement. Also as I've already shown with chapter 9 Chad who has NO spiritual energy just physical strength was able to punch and harm a hollow. And not just that but a telephone pole is also able to harm it blatantly proving physical attacks hurt, you don't have an argument.
No that's not stated anywhere, again BLATANTLY LYING!!! You could at least have put up the chapter number but you don't have ANYTHING to confirm or support what your saying.
YOUR the one that should double check your argument. Soul manipulation is a basic ability of the rinnegan human path. I've proven your ENTIRE argument wrong with A SINGLE CHAPTER!!!!
That's just not an argument AT ALL. Being able to damage Hollows means they can die, there's no evidence that suggests otherwise. Just because he didn't kill the hollow doesn't mean it's impossible to do so. That is literally the definition of an ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE!!!!
That is another blatant lie! In naruto chapter 691 when the reanimation jutsu was UNDONE Minatos soul STILL didn't have arms even when he wasn't a ninjutsu anymore meaning it HAD to have directly affected his soul!
Yes physical attacks do work that way, you have no evidence otherwise!!! The only thing I'm drawing from that comparison is that spiritual beings can be hurt by physical attacks if there strong enough, that's all! The only difference between "touchable" and "hurtable" is that just because you can touch something doesn't mean your strong enough to damage it but since Obito and Madara ARE strong enough to damage him AND I've proven he can be touched there's absolutely NO reason to say physical attacks won't work!!
It doesn't need to be stated, it's completely asinine to say they can't see souls! Naruto who does even have special eyes could see the rinnegan pulling his soul out, there's absolutely NO reason the rinnegan can't also see the soul its ripping out. Naruto DOES NOT have better visual prowess than the rinnegan!!! Plus they can see the king of hell which in of itself is a spiritual being!
Again no it is not! You don't even have a proper cite! And yes Chad did hurt him, he screamed in pain saying AGH!! in bold letters!! Also even if he didn't hurt the hollow(which he did) that would just mean he wasn't physical strong enough to do so! And I'm just proving physical attacks work on them not that Chad can damage them so it doesn't matter!!!
Again the strength of the hollow doesn't matter, the point is to prove physical attacks work on spiritual beings!! So it doesn't matter that Chad or the Hollow wouldn't be strong enough to damage Kenpachi because Obito and Madara are!!!
You clearly don't understand the simple fact physical strength can outdo spiritual energy which is shown and stated time and time again!! Reread bleach then come back to me.
So this is disrespect bleach get kenpachi planetary wtf so your saying Kenny is realtive to ss to pre arrancar arc Ichigo who's planetary to Large planetary and easily star to solar cause senna destroy a dimension that literally has star in it and you can argue there's a sun in las noches making it even more consistent speed it's not a debate Kenny blitz badly ss ichigo 500-800x ftl in ss arc easily putting him mftl I'm going to leave the speed scaling there I if I go higher it's overkill the only wincon I see Madara and Obito has are the tso cause kenny isnt immune to existence erasure but don't be surprised if Kenny just cut trough the tso I knew from i hear small planetary to planetary kenny i just knew obito and madara are win dude your going to downplay bleach scaling to be realative to narito character whats the point having a debating bleach vs Naruto if your baisness is going to come in play you justs debate extreme lowballed kenpachi vs a consistent scaling for Madara and Obito keep kenny relative or below them this is a absolute joke like it death battle this is a naruto channel so this is the outcome im expecting Naruto fans can cope why bleach is infinitely the stronger verse well it's the creator bias opinion cause he glaze the Naruto verse and can't cope why bleach is the stronger verse kenpachi beats Madara and Obito no concept of diff and proceeds to solos Naruto Shippuden
Cry cry more cry 😂😂😂😂
Lmao cope 🤣
@@Uzumaki042 why should I cry and you are the guys coping cause you are not on bleach lvl when it comes to power scaling drop your cord and let's me run your pockets lil bro
Giodonn#2517 I know you're going to duck cause I'm going to smoke your ass
@@Hedge3523 why should I cry and you are the guys coping cause you are not on bleach lvl when it comes to power scaling drop your cord and let's me run your pockets lil bro
Giodonn#2517 I know you're going to duck cause I'm going to smoke your ass
@@Uzumaki042 why should I cry and you are the guys coping cause you are not on bleach lvl when it comes to power scaling drop your cord and let's me run your pockets lil bro
Giodonn#2517 I know you're going to duck cause I'm going to smoke your ass
Madara and obito completely stomp Kenpachi, all of his attacks are straight forward he’s pretty intelligent but it’s madara 😂 he’s wayy smarter. Truthseeker orbs one tap as well
Kenpachi blitzes madara before he uses tso
In the novel kenpachi has subatomic distructing
Yes I didn’t use novel kenpachi, mainly because I wasn’t sure if he was canon
@@Skillz1023 understandable
Buld that was a country level meteor
I mean yeah it was going to destroy the Seireitei which is around the size of a country, but after calculating the size and velocity it was coming down at, it should have enough energy to destroy a small planet
bleach characters scale to each other
Which ones?
@@Skillz1023 the ones that fight similar opponents in strength
Kenpachi nags WTF 😒
@@TakuraDior9000 where do you scale him?
@@Skillz1023 universal because of the gremy feat Naruto vers caps at solar system