WHO MADE OUT IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE WRITERS STRIKE? | Film Threat News
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Great episode.
yeah, well I know what they did. They fired their good scriptwriters that could actually tell a story and hired activist Tumblr writers. They write like shit and hate everything that is white, male and heterosexual.... and then they look surprised pickkachu face when the industry is collapsing.
You are the one I call Chato.
these activists pretending to be writers are gonna have to learn to code
They already are pretending to code too :P
Lol. You need to be logical to code.
@@anthonybrett Couldn't have said it better myself.
Until AI replaces that too, specially the low level coders.
AI is going to learn how to code. These writers will need to learn to be truly creative... better flip hamburgers instead. Oh wait, machines do that too!
91 associated with the writing of Star Trek Discovery should thank the lucky stars that they are not in jail right now.
Who made it out? The audience. We made it out of Hollywood's toxicity, and are enjoying quality entertainment while the elites are stuck in their DEI cesspool.
Crappy writers are merely the result of crappy people at the top making hiring decisions.
Hearing him defend forcing a 22 episode season made me want to puke. Shows should only be as long as they need to be and so many are perfect at 10 episodes, especially when you're talking about streaming and not network TV. Creating an artificial money sink to punish them making shorter shows is just evil, it's so counter productive I cannot describe how stupid this is. It's like a dentist fixing a cavity by smashing the tooth out.
Younger writers don’t have the money to travel and gain life experience out of their bubble. They are writing from their perspective in this current environment. They don’t have resources to live life and see things and go places, plus everything is too safe and sanitary, nobody is interested in shaking things up, creating art that move, motivates and disrupts, because the claws come out and the public gets offended or their feelings get hurt. Nobody seems to know what’s funny anymore and every mainstream story seems to have to appeal to 30 other countries. I could see where writers are at a loss.
It also feels like most scripts are just pulled from other media and things that exist in said bubbles, so that’s why most shows and movies just feel like rehash of rehash.
I get the impression that people say they want to be writers, but then refuse to watch movies or shows and understand what people liked about them. Back to The Future, the original Ghostbusters, movies like The Abyss sure there are plenty more examples, but there is this idea that I want to do something, but don’t want to put in the legwork to actually make an impact and be great at it, they just want to say they are writers but do the most minimal amount of work. It’s lazy, and sadly I don’t see a lot changing soon, because it feels like this is the future, just hope I’m wrong.
You don't need to travel to have perspective. Look at Quentin Tarantino! He was just a poor kid working in a video rental place who was passionate about film, head full of brilliant storytelling ideas.
@@CharlesVanNolandyeah but travel helps. Life experience helps. You don’t have to live like a jet-setter, but your average Joe can’t go ANYWHERE without shelling out painful amounts of cash.
Also Tarantino was noticeably different even when younger. If he were born 20 years later he’d have started with a UA-cam channel like this. He filmed himself talking about movies before the internet was even a thing.
Beyond that: you don’t want to require that level of strangeness to create a talent pool. You want it to be easy for people to live their lives and find their niches. Right now ALL of pop culture is just about watching wealth, because the wealth gap is so severe that large swathes of the population have no other way to interact with most of their world.
@@BloodyInitiate The hardest most treacherous journey one can ever hope to embark upon is the inward journey. I've seen so many friends and family decide to travel the world to "find themselves" and they all ended up coming home right back where they started, basically no wiser and with no more sense of purpose than they had before they set out to see the sights. A programmer doesn't get good at writing code by using a bunch of software, an artist doesn't get good at painting or drawing by looking at art.
You get good at something by spending a lot of time doing it, and if you have a passion about it then it's automatic, effortless.
Traveling the world is not how you become a good writer. Hell, every story that Hollywood has told is already in the Bible.
@@CharlesVanNoland I think that journey is harder and more treacherous the later you take it.
I “found myself” really early without going anywhere special, but I admit I did things in the reverse order to everyone else.
For me it’s just a codex of experiences, people, faces, that’s basically empty if you’ve never gone anywhere or done much with anyone.
I can usually tell a writer who has been nowhere and done nothing because their characters don’t look like anyone real, speak like a college essay, and the story feels pretty isolated even if it’s a globe-trotting story.
All because they haven’t met anyone, so they don’t know how people talk. They haven’t watched people so they don’t know how much character is revealed without the character talking. And they haven’t been anywhere so their story doesn’t go anywhere either, or if it does it keeps its scope so narrow that every place looks like every other place.
I don’t get to go as many places as I want and interact with people in the way that I’d like. So when I watch a movie or a show that goes exclusively inward it’s not the escape or the journey I want.
@@CharlesVanNoland Reminds me of an 18th century poem about young English aristocrats touring Continental Europe: "How great a dunce who's sent to roam / excels a dunce who stayed at home."
They keep hiring the same show runners and the same writers, no new ideas are coming in. And more importantly, these are people who write as a job, not because it's their passion
Zero pity for them.
"Riverdale" and "Star Trek Discovery" are TERRIBLE shows that have chased the audience away from television. People like him do not deserve and NEVER deserved to write for a living.
Meanwhile, far better writers are ignored because the don't check enough boxes or lack connections. While I have read tons of amateur scripts they are terrible, I have read some that are well executed or have unique ideas that another writer could polish up. Instead, they are all ignored and we all suffer for it.
I watched just seasons 5 of Riverdale and on with friends online and it is pretty hilarious. the parts that the real riverdale fans hate are the absolute best because they are wildly stupid and copy other stuff
Who hires the bad writers? And why? Class traitors.
That strike thing is really starting to pay off...
The strikes will pay off when the work resumes in that the value of the writer is maintained for those who are working.
That is the purpose of a strike: to maintain the value of the worker whether it be 10 workers or 1000 workers .
A union won’t stop either the off shoring or automation of the work. What it will do is maintain the value of the worker be at 1, 1000 or 10,000.
2:18 you realize that writers are hired to write what the executives want them to write. It’s the executives, not the writers that have final say the script.
It’s like giving rotten ingredients to a caterer and wondering why the food taste terrible, then blaming the caterer not the supplier.
Sure they got a deal, but work is very slow right now and its terrible for people who are "below the line." The studios have to reach an agreement with IATSE in June and AI is one of the biggest concerns. The industry is just not in a good state right now with all the greed, nepotism and numerous other internal and external factors. It needs a really harsh reset.
Have IATSE members really been losing homes since the strikes and beyond?
It’s been pretty bad in the U.K. As American shows dominate our production opportunities the strikes shut down most of the industry. Not just for production crews but the supply companies as well. The knock on effect is the BECTU hardship fund being oversubscribed and a lot of crew leaving the industry for good. Especially hard for the young talent coming into the business. A lot of despair all round. I’ve worked for 30 years as a prop/Modelmaker and it really feels now like an industry that’s on the rocks. Never thought I’d be so glad my wife is a teacher!
i preffer movies than series, because movies are a short term relationship
I’ll say it’s win for consumers/the audience because this means we will bombarded by a lot less shows/movies. Hopefully this means because there are fewer projects, the studios will be forced to put more effort into their stuff and give the audience what they actually want. If they don’t, their loss because the audience has proven they are tired of the pandering and perfectly fine saying goodbye to theaters/Hollywood as a whole
I appreciate someone finally saying these sucky writers just suck.
You don’t need another reason.
The market expanded rapidly creating a huge demand for new talent to produce content.
That new talent had no talent.
They made a ton of trash content. The market needed to purge them.
BUT if they’d miraculously all been awesome, we would just have witnessed a huge step up in quality. They weren’t though, and we got the opposite.
ScriptDoctor is great
I like Scripture Doctor
Byrne's solo run on She-Hulk was far from the peak of her character, and in fact did more lasting damage than anything else. His run of Fantastic Four which featured her is great, as is her time as an Avenger under the pen of Roger Stern, but as a solo title her best period was when she was written by Peter David. These runs all have one thing in common --they are non-comedic superhero stories that do not feature elements like self-parody or fourth wall breaking. That element only arose in Byrne's solo run, and was never core to the character. Many feel it was a detriment and the character works much better in the standard dramatic action-adventure superhero format. I am one of those.
You guys gotta access articles using archives for free. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Or you can hate the controller.
@@GregoryHernandez-wk7yv it’s so easy to get around a paywall - if the tool exists for us to use, use it.
This was a very informative video.
We have Amazon and I almost exclusively watch old stuff. Yes, I'm an N of 1, but I don't think I'm alone. I just assume new stuff will be bad and the studios need to convince me that their new movie or TV show isn't garbage.
Always goid to hear professional writers talk about the industry
There’s a lot of individuals working in Hollywood. Not based on what they know or the merits of their previous work. But who they know in the film industry. lol
But they'll only get hired if they are the right kind of terrible. So while they are part of the problem, they are not all of it.
Unfortunately, once you destroy the knowledge and skills supply chain that it took a hundred years to build, you’re stuffed. Plus it’s happening across the board with writing, whether scripts, plays, books etc. So many of the ‘supply chains’ producing them are now irretrievably broken. They have spent at least two decades destroying them. As current crop of post 55 writers retire that’ll be the end. There’s no-one to replace them.
Shows with a small amount of episodes per season are actually a great innovation in my opinion.
I get that a writer wants stable work, but 22-24 episodes just aren’t always necessary.
You should try to make your shows feel full and efficient, but you should only make as many episodes as you have great content for.
Long seasons = more filler.
Filler = bad.
Your show should be as long as it needs to be to tell its story. That’s all.
If your goal is to have an ongoing show then you still need to be looking for how to tell your stories efficiently. It’s so lame when a long-running show keeps hitting the same loops.
If they were strong enough individuals to write a good story, they would be strong enough of a person to be "ok" in the face of adversity.
with tv seasons being only 8-10 episodes now, of course there's going to be less work and less pay for everyone. these writers want it back to being pre-Netflix days. it isnt going back to those days.
If someone like Andrew Niccol (Gattaca, Truman Show) wasn't getting work, I'd worry. People working on modern Star Trek and CW shows losing work is the industry healing.
As a Software Engineer I can tell you that you can replace the title “Writer” with “Software Engineer/Developer” and the it’s same story here in tech. Our industry over hired unqualified candidates, over inflated the industry and now they downsized all those talentless individuals that brought in woke trash ideas and hardly did any work.
The audience came out as the winners, because every week now, there’s an older movie playing in the theaters.
The LotR trilogy played over the last weekend. I’ve seen Goonies, the old Dune, and a bunch of other movies from the 80s and 90s.
1:28
It’s interesting that the critique of strikes comes from these UA-camrs that have no problem with the tyrannical authority of UA-cam .
A union won’t keep your job. However, a union will maintain your value while the job continues to exist.
There’s never a good or bad time to strike as its job is to disrupt the work until the agreement is met. That’s the nature of a strike.
There’s no mention of the economic realities, as described in the Harper magazine issue, the rising interest rates affecting the ability to borrow money on the cheap. As movies are effectively long-term loans.
As the cost of those loans went up with the rising interest rates, the quantity of loans decreased i.e. the quantity of production
This has nothing to do with the workers going on strike. Had there been no strike there would’ve been a decrease of work because there’s a decrease of borrowing.
At least writers existing in LA County can write about the dystopian nightmare it's become. But I guess there's only so many dystopian nightmare movies studios will greenlight.
Just don’t deal with the Union…go freelance only. Move your production studio to a right-to-work state. Buy scripts already done.
The assertion that so-called “diverse” writers are innately less qualified/capable is the mantra of the mediocre sort who peddle writing advice on the internet.
At this point I hope they at least have learned that creating 437 different streaming platforms was the wrong path
They have poisoned the atmosphere so much that something will have to be really good to get the viewing public back.
Unfortunately, once the line of quality jumps that high that fast, it becomes incredibly difficult for even the absolute best to be profitable.
And anyone with a stain on their record will be punished in an extreme risk adverse environment
Thank you. I’ve been saying this for years now
I'm disappointed that a new model of production spawn from the death of Hollywood. From what he' saying, the old system is coming back. I'd rather see a seismic shift of a more decentralized entertainment production. Oh well, always have int'l movies and shows.
Instead of hiring good writers who know their subject matter or are willing to do the grind to study and learn what they are writing about. For example if youre writing a horror book or script, study certain folklores, tragedies, stories, events ect etc.
All of these "writers" now and days are just failed art students who sucked as Starbucks baristas.
Answer; The activists
Not really activists tho. They're rich kids with zero life experience, following the trend of posing as an activist.
Feel like that's most activists
@@apocalypsetedium Its that....the same?
"Trailer trash activist" or something? Facebook activist?
I wish Chris all the best, but actually I'm really enjoying the show with Alan as the lead. Finally get a chance to listen to Alan without him being constantly interrupted by Chris. Alan is a really good host, he's mellow and knowledgeable.
The fish rots from the head down. Bad executives make bad decisions in order to keep up with trends, which leads them to hire bad writers. If this sham of an industry wants to survive, the idiots at the top need to change, and standards need to be established. With standards established, writers will be forced to come up with better material.
The 22+ episode series is over except for network TV. Also they're fix of TV at the end of the video makes no sense and would never work.
Thank you.
If this is true we should have lots of well written movies and TV coming right? I doubt that very much.
X-Files
Yes DEI is why Furiosa and Antman and the Fall Guy failed at the box office 😅
You're a clown. Keep crying.
You're learning. Congratulations.
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Movies are just awful. Listen to Band-Maid if you want real talent, Japan is still cool.
This "script doctor" is a 🤡
You're the whole circus.
What do you think he was inaccurate on? I am curious to hear a dissenting opinion
Not just that
Social media and Hollywood… ie.. Floyd/blm/trump 2062020, now 2024, opinions on the red dragon/wuflu, their own opinions
No tv/cable so no ads as we skip ads on utube/platform
DEI/black0ck/we.f the message