So...Was Lily Gladstone Robbed At The Oscars?
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The long, grueling awards season was supposedly leading to a historic moment for first-time Oscar nominee Lily Gladstone - until it didn't.
The "Killers of the Flower Moon" actress was the first Native American person nominated in the competitive lead actress category. During awards season, cinephiles and critics alike predicted that Gladstone would take home the gold statute. Especially since she had already won the Golden Globe and Screen Actors Guild Awards for her performance; all that was left for the actress to take was the esteemed Oscar. Even the night felt like it was primed for Gladstone as the Osage Nation performed their film's nominated song "Wahzhazhe (A Song for My People)" at the awards ceremony.
But alas, in a close competition, Emma Stone snagged the prize for her performance in "Poor Things." The loss felt shocking and demoralizing even though there was always a chance for Stone to snag the award. But it felt all the more heightened as we glance at history. - Розваги
Lily Gladstone will win an Oscar one day bank on it. I mean she’s already getting some buzz for “The Memory Police”. Her yearbook Prophecy will come to Fruition mark my words. She will win Best Actress one day.
Unless Josh Ryder gets it first
Ehhh I mean they likely Al Pachino it and give to her for subpar work i.e. scent of a woman.
That’s the spirit.
I hate to be that person but I don’t think she will have many chances, as a non yt, and non conventional beauty, I think this was her chance and the Academy blew it.
@@michaeldeguzman3852 now it would be iconic if they both win at the same ceremony.
Killers of the flower moon getting nothing hurt, but none more than Lily losing
Yeh that’s arguably more shocking because I think everyone thought it would be a battle between Killers and Oppie
@@iain9757 Literally no one thought that. It was always poor things and Oppenheimer that were the strongest contenders.
That movie did not deserve to win anything. Emma was the right person to win, at least personally.
@@shadysorkin9214poor things was a way of pushing Barbie out of the conversation, while keeping the themes.
@@shadysorkin9214 I don’t understand what you mean?
If no one thought that then why would I say that.
Next you’re gonna tell me that Fedoriam is not a country or that Vipple isn’t a colour
To anyone wanting to see more Lily Gladstone films she’s fantastic in Certain Women!
God, she was good in that. I wish they’d dumped the anthology structure and just made the movie about her.
Also watch FIRST COW, by the same director. It's the first thing i saw her in and i she was the most memorable performance even in a support role
I worry Lily Gladstone becomes the next Yalitza Aparicio who struggles to get any substantial acting work despite being Oscar nominated. Lily was AMAZING in KOTFM, definitely the best thing about the movie. I understand why Emma won, she was that entire movie while Lily appears in less than an hour of the three hour runtime. She just had more momentum in the end. But that is also a testament to how good Lily was that her performance transcended her screen time. She deserves to have an amazing career following this and more nominations and wins in the future. I feel like people forget how difficult it is for POC in Hollywood, the amount of POC who get nominations and still struggle is shocking.
For what it's worth, she's been cast in two upcoming films, including a sci-fi film written by Charlie Kauffman, so something tells me we'll be seeing a lot more of her in the years to come hopefully
LOL, Emma didn't won bc she was more time on screen, she won because her performance was incredible.
...it's not always about race no matter how much crying you do. Give people enough credit to have voted their belief in the best performance by not voting race out of fear of cry babies like you. That attitude of yours is very racist...
...emma won because she gave the best performance of the nominees. Quit making every thing about race...it's getting tired...
Yalitza is not primarily an English-language performer... it's a completely different situation than Lily Gladstone. Lily can headline an English-language (aka Hollywood) blockbuster; Yalitza cannot.
“Emma stone did not want to win” is so unfair for emma stone’s part at the end of the day she campaigned for her performance so i dont know how did u guys come up with the narrative she didnt want to win i think she was just shocked that she won 😭😭
Yeah, it's silly. She obviously was overwhelmed as this win was very meaningfull to her. Some people just have no idea how to read people (or they are projecting). Mark Ruffalo also basically confirmed in a post Oscar interview that Emma really wanted to win.
This. The campaign process for an Oscar is incredibly competitive. Emma absolutely wanted to win but was just overwhelmed by the win. But yeah... she wanted to win or else she wouldn't have been there.
When you loose to another great actor who gave a career best performance, i don't think it's robbed at all. I love Lily, i would've liked to see her win but it's understandable why Emma won that award. She was unbelievable and a beast in Poor Things
This ❤️❤️
Look, I have no shade towards Emma Stone, she is a great actress and she always gives just an absolute beast of the performance. But it’s about the message it would send. Not only is Lily Gladstone the first Native American to recieve an Oscar nomination, but the story she told with her performance is something everyone should watch. The Osage people’s story is such a vile and cruel period of American History. Having such a big Oscar moment surrounding that film will inspire people to watch it and learn the history around the film, read the book it’s based off of, and research some of the other atrocities that America did the the Native Americans. It’s just a missed opportunity.
Noone fucking cares about her origins, Emma is the first something too. So suck it. @@Cheesefist
@@Cheesefist I agree a Lily win would be super historic, impactful and send a huge positive message. I just do not know why voters are compelled and morally obligated to vote on the basis of "sending a huge message." Emma delivered a career-best, stunning performance in Poor Things. Majority of the AMPAS voters responded to that. Simple as.
@@Cheesefist Actors are voting for the best performance. It defeats the purpose of the ceremony to vote for any other reason. Lily Gladstone was great and I certainly wouldn't be upset if she had won but if they start giving out acting awards based on sending messages rather than performance the award becomes meaningless.
I think an award 'robbery' is when an unexpected winner takes it from a strong favourite. As you said, these two were neck and neck all season. There was no robbery.
That was my thinking. I heard too many people say it was legitimately a coin toss for it to be a crime. If Lily had won then people would have praised Emma and claimed she only lost for the "indigenous reasons." However, Emma won so they use the same thing in favor of Lily, "she only lost because she was Native American."
I'm just like everyone else, thought it was close and hope to see Lily come back someday for the win.
@@elijahalbiston
It wasn't close at all... The Academy has over 10,000 members and a lot are actors/actresses around the world.. Poor Things was big huge among voters.. Some voters thought Lily belonged in supporting actress and not lead and so did not vote for her..
Lily won the SAG because its a much smaller voting membership than the Oscars and the SAG is pretty much USA members versus the Oscars which has international membership..
@@mamadouaziza2536 In fairness they're right. She was sort of robbed because she should have been campaigning for supporting, and if she was she probably would have won.
Is it really robbery if both were equally deserving??
exactly like... i saw both films. both women were incredible (though i thought lily's performance was better). lily was given less screentime to work with unfortunately. giving the award to her just because of her heritage would be more insulting. either way, the internet was going to complain about who won
@@krustomer totally agree. Im indigenous and I love love seeing an indigenous woman on screen giving our people representation. however giving the award for diversity's sake is very insulting. its not so much the academy to blame but the whole industry... i would like to see Lily and other native women to have more opportunity to win the awards. I hope this opens doors for Lily
OMG, you are the FIRST content creator covering the Oscars that has made the point about William DaFoe. I'm not sure people realize what a legend he is. Thank you!
P.s. New sub ❤
Willem Dafoe is a legend in everything he's in. That dude goes hard every time, even when he has absolutely no reason to do so (he had no reason to give such a good performance is such a mediocre movie like the Tales of Earthsea). He's one of those actors whose movies I will strongly consider seeing for no other reason than the fact he's in it.
Willem is literally the most talked about and respected “character actors” I can name. Like PSH, Gary oldman, etc. The only thing that might make him underrated is his lack of an Oscar but that doesn’t change anything
@Tyler_W Even in the one movie he could have completely be average it - Mr Bean's Holiday - he still managed to play the role of an award chasing actor schmuck brilliantly.
Even Emma looked shocked that she won but 🤷♂️, like often people who were “robbed” get talked about more than the winners
common Emma is no victim and her victory is pretty much celebrated and spoken about
Best Actress was a really packed category this year, with Emma Stone, Sandra Hüller and Lily Gladstone all giving fantastic performances, and while Lily was my pick to win and I'm disappointed she didn't get it, I can't be too mad considering how tough the competition was. And again, at least Emma was legitimately amazing in Poor Things, so her winning wasn't a WTF upset like, for example, Jamie Lee Curtis winning Best Supporting Actress last year
I've heard controversy around Jamie Lee Curtis but wasn't sure why. I think she received it more for her lifetime of work, but who should have actually won?
@@elijahalbiston Common consensus is that she was the weakest in the category, as I recall Angela Bassett or Kerry Condon were the favourites to win, or even Stephanie Hsu, who was nominated for the same film and had a more significant role and stronger performance
Jamie Lee Curtis winning was so awful... that year I had actually seen all the performances nominated in that category and really would have been ok if anyone but her won. She was definitely the least deserving .
Jamie won because she actually went out and campaign the f*ck out of award season.. Every interview she did she gained votes or she lost them.. Angela Bassett didn't campaign much at all...
Angela lost the Bafta and SAG, so there was no guarantee she was winning the Oscar...
Jamie Lee winning pissed me off so much! I love Jamie but her performance in EEAOO was ok at best, her performance in Halloween 2018 should've gotten her the Oscar not EEAOO.
I LOVED Da'Vine Joy Randolph in The Holdovers. Her Oscar was totally deserved. But if she'd campaigned in the Lead Actress category, she would've lost, too. That said, NOT winning the Oscar was the best thing that could've happened for Gladstone's career. Would you really want to have a major Hollywood breakthrough AND watch your career hit its peak all in the same year?? No!!! Lily is now in the perfect position to be in, because now we're all waiting to see her GET THAT OSCAR. And now, every director wants to be the one that helps her GET IT. Yes, watching a Native American actress win an Oscar would be a cool thing. But what's even cooler is watching her have a long and lucrative career in Hollywood. Because for TOO many talented newbies, an early Oscar win proved to be career death.
You're so coreext with this. Shes already getting offers and has a lot of good will going. Plus she's so talented and seems nice
*The Miles Morales voice actor* going off saying they were “Robbed” when going up against an animation GOAT.. was just embarrassing.
robed, you mean 😂
Just normal black on asian hate
I mean, Spiderverse was a cultural moment. It was huge. I totally get where he was coming from. All of what I've heard of The Boy and the Heron was incredibly mixed, leaning on bad. So yeah, I'd feel pretty snubbed when a mixed recieved film got an Oscar over a cultural hit that is breaking boundaries in animation.
Nah spiderverse was definietly robbed
So what? It was nowhere near Miyazaki’s best movie, that’s like saying Scorsese should have won solely because he’s the most important director there.
I’m not even a fan of spiderverse, but it deserved it more than TBATH. Robot dreams ftw
Emma had an amazing performance and they were both honestly deserving of the Oscar. Personally i would have chosen Lilly Gladstone, but obviously that does not detract from how much of a Talent Emma Stone is.
Tbh I really wanted Sandra Hüller to win. But maybe she’ll pull through for Zone Of Interest next year.
@@lilbunny9833
Next Year? Zone of Interest is a 2023 film and its already been nominated..
Its done...
oh True Sandra was really amazing, she would be an amazing Oscar winner.@@lilbunny9833
Love the "no bullshit, call it as I see it" style here - very enjoyable, especially that you get to the point quickly - a talent many youtube commentators do not possess.
Agree with practically everything you said here. Especially he part about Lily's authenticity. Her interviews are a real breath of fresh air to watch because she's ALL substance, no filler. And that feels so rare nowadays.
"The way she portrays the concept of suffering is unlike anything I've ever seen."
"You watch her sort of rip her heart out for this movie."
Yes, a thousands times YES. If I see one more idiot say she just lay in bed for two hours, I will scream.
Even if she did just lay in bed she acted the hell out of those bed scenes PERIODTTTTTT
@@perryjones7771 YES! It honestly felt like she was at death's door and you're crying for her and feeling for her. And filmbros are all like ~bUt ShEs NoT dOiNg AnYtHiNg~ Like STFU it still takes skill and talent to act like you're literally wasting away.
@@haikuhsu No one's saying she doesn't have talent. She was good in the movie, but she didn't have a large enough body of work in the movie to consider it the best lead actress performance of the year.
@@shadysorkin9214 You might not be saying that, but plenty of people have all throughout awards season, and those are the people I'm addressing. If feels like you want to have the BA vs BSA conversation that's been discussed ad nauseum and I'm just too tired for that. I felt like she was lead, I'm award other people felt like she wasn't. No one is going to change anyone's mind by hashing it out here.
@shadysorkin9214, didn't Anthony Hopkins win a Best Actor Oscar with very little screen time? Also, it's about the portrayal and not how much time you get, but how you do in your scenes. She outshines Dicaprio and De Niro.
I'm just gonna say RDJ's attitude towards Ke Huy Quan while accepting his award was pretty awful
Thank you for pointing that out! RDJ had a huge ego energy all the time. No humility whatsoever.
I can't stand that man, I'll never forget the xenophobic comments he made about Alejandro Gonzalez Iñarritu.
He gives me the ick. I will never forget the xenophobic comments he made about Alejandro Gonzalez Iñarritu.
Wait what happened? Ke Huy Quan is amazing, and anyone who come for him is trash.
@@NoFirstNoLastName Just like with Taylor Swift at the Grammy’s, RDJ didn’t pay too much attention to Quan. It’s not like he punched him or spat in his face, so idk why this trend of getting mad at people not bowing before someone that hands you an award has become such a hot button issue for people 🙄
I saw Poor Things last night, and the movie made me feel like I needed an intimacy coordinator to watch some of the scenes 😳😭
😂😂
to add insult to injury on this front: emma stone actually had to advocate for herself to get an intimacy coordinator involved in the production because the director “didn’t think they needed one.” umm
@@LISE_NR 🚩🚩🚩🚩
@@LISE_NR emma stone, aka the producer of the film?
@@LISE_NR
Emma was a producer on the film, so course she was calling some of the shots... If you watch the editing of the sex scenes, its very obvious that the actors are not nearly as naked in the close up shots. The editor did an amazing job.. None of the sex scenes were erotic or even exotic, most felt like comedy.. Poor Bella she had to have sex with those stinky smelly Frenchmen.. Emma having to engage with those fugly looking actors, she deserves that Oscar..
Can't agree more. Emma is my son's favorite and I am happy for him, but I was watching Oscar to see Lily win. Probably, the jury members were thinking if she wins people would be saying it was only a politically correct choice, but the truth is, she delivered a fresh, strong energy to Hollywood. She is the Queen!
Boy do I agree with what you are saying. I loved Oppenheimer and I really liked Killers of the Flower Moon. But I wanted Scorcese to win best director. And I wanted Lily to win, I fell in love with her watching that film. Poor Things did not move me, and I felt like Bella Baxter's character was nothing more than stimulus and response. Emma did do a brilliant job in the film, but I was underwhelmed by her and overwhelmed by Lily.
I was thinking about "Could you see another actress portray the character as good, or better, than any of these two amazing performers?" And Jimmy Kimmel brought up the new category - Best Casting - for the next Oscar year...and it makes sense. Emma Stone's unique take within Poor Things was exceptionally well done (and awards well earned) yet I cannot imagine anyone else portraying Mollie Kyle other than Lily Gladstone.
After Yeoh and Quan's (and even Curtis') wins last year, it became pretty clear the Oscars has a preference towards explosive, more physical performances compared to subtler ones, which probably aligns with a more common concept of what "good" acting is.
You are so spot on with this commentary, Kayla!
I would have really loved to see Lily Gladstone Win !
Lily blew me away in reservation dogs off her one appearance she is something so special
as a Chinese Gen Z I don't usually care about politics, but the Killers of the Flower Moon really made me see something I've never seen in any other Hollywood movie, even the most non-politically people will be reminded that the Oscars are not just about acting, politics is always a big part of it. the Killers of the Flower Moon got a lot of nominations but didn't win a single one, which is telling in itself...
Martin Scorsese has touched the Hollywood boundaries here: Jews will always the victim; you can be anti-colonial and anti-war, but you can never show the underlying logic of these problems. It may be that my perspective as a non-American is too obvious, but when you compare all the stories about the wild west (the Killers of the Flower Moon wasn't even a colonial story, the westward movement was long over by then), you get a sense of how special this film is...
All I'm trying to say is it's not about Lily Gladstone, it's about the Killers of the Flower Moon, it's about politics. My respect for Martin Scorsese. Killers of the Flower Moon is THE true anti-colonial movie.
As a native myself I thought it was going to be different. Frankly Scorsese like to go for realistic and I'm glad she made the nominee
Once again you’ve given such a thoughtful critique of these films and Oscar win. Merci!
Finally someone else who didn’t love “Poor Things” lol. I’m not a huge Emma Stone fan but I like how she was cheering for Lily and being genuinely supportive.
What drama with Barbie? It’s more “Spiderverse was robbed” because for some odd reason people didn’t seem to understand that it was never gonna win against a Hayao Miyazaki film.
Edit : I don’t understand why people are trying to say “well spiderverse was bad anyway” , that is not my comment and that does not matter.
In this care it wasn’t gonna to win
Spiderverse wasn’t as good as it was gassed up to be.. I’ll stand on that 🧍🏽 A film that was all set up and a cliffhanger was hard for me to get excited about.
@@firstlast9846quality doesn’t matter. Even if it was the best film EVER it was always going to loose to “the last” Miyazaki film.
It’s literally half a movie.
@iain9757 - Very true. But still - it wasn’t THAT good as it was made out to be on release.
Imagine getting mad because you lost to a legend. SMH.
I absolutely love your "at this point Billie Eilish has more Oscars than Scorese"-comment. Made my day! That's the Academy Awards in a nutshell!
Imho, if anybody was robbed, it was Sandra Hüller, who stared in two of the best movies of the year. But we all know how americans have a problem appreciating foreign language movies.
Still, congrats to Emma Stone. I also hope we don't get another Anthony Hopkins/Chadwick Boseman situation.
Wow. I'm loving this. I'm loving your words. Totally agree with everything you said. I'm Ojibwe (an Indigenous nation) and was really hoping to see Lily Gladstone win for both reasons. Here's hoping she continues to be given space to rise as an Indigenous artist.
I also really wanted Lily Gladstone to win. The good news is her performance in killers of the flower moon seems to be getting her roles, which for an actor is what really matters. I like more subdued performances, so the acting in poor things was a bit too much for me, but it matched the tone they were going for, and that's alright.
to point this out about martin Scorsese's Oscar for The Departed. A fair amount of people think it was a "makeup, opps we screwed up" win, when he wasn't nominated for Goodfellas in directing. And my dad thought they were even going to have him win bc its Scorsese it may be his last movie type of deal.
Man Lily Carried that Sorcese Film...
Really appreciated and loved this commentary, thank you!
The thing that does bring me a bit of comofrt for Lily is that she does hae someintersting roleslined u for her in the near future. Because as we've seen with so many Black, Hispanic and Asian actors who get nominated and or win Oscars, they're usually never nominated again due to the fact that the industry doesn't seem to know what to do with them post Oscar and good roles simply aren't there for them afterwards
That’s the truth…. Most minority actresses don’t came back because the roles simply aren’t there. Most roles are for white folk and unfortunately I’m this won’t change until minority people get behind the director and screen writer seat. Fact is, white people can’t write authentic and great minority roles because they aren’t one and they don’t understand that perspective.
Not true at all... Both Denzel Washington and Viola Davis have been nominated numerous times..
Octavia Spencer has been nominated at least two times.. Blacks have also won many other Oscars pertaining to costumes, music and script writing..
Its always up the the actor/actress to go out and find projects that suit their skill level. No actor/actress sits by the phone hoping someone will offer them a gig.. The real question is can Lily fill movie theater seats or get us to stream her films? If she can do this, she will be bankable.
@@mamadouaziza2536 thats only two people. Youve named two people in answer to the claim most don't get work after
@@MadameCorgi
What are u talking about? Not all Oscar winners and nominees vanish...
The Oscars are over now, get over it.
Emma won, she has two Oscars along with Sally Fields, Jane Fonda, Jodie Foster, Hilary Swank, Meryl Streep (2 leading actress Oscars and 1 for supporting actress) Frances McDermott (3 leading actress Oscars), Liz Taylor, Bette Davis, Katherine Hepburn (4 leading actress Oscars), Glenda Jackson...
I don't understand why Killers got snubbed so hard
Ummmm it told the truth sis.
This is the best take I’ve seen on this issue
This was one of those years where although I had preferred winners, they were some undeniable winners that deserved the Oscar. For instance, although I wished Barbie had gotten more than one Oscar, in regard to the competition there was undeniable competition to go up against.
You can believe that Emma's performance was great and still be critical of the fact that Emma will have opportunity heaped upon opportunity to win more Academy awards, while Lily won't. There is a reason that Lily had to fight tooth and nail for every moment she had on screen. It's not an accident that only two woc have ever won. Whoever you think deserved this, and that's a very subjective topic, you cannot argue that the balance of opportunities to win is heavily skewed in Emma's favor.
Oscars is a mix of bribery and nepotism which is standard Hollywood. Then throw in some minimal audience appeasement then some woke, then some Hollywood looking after its own. But its mainly money. Money needed to get the film in front of the judges, money to bribe and the huge boost to feature earnings for everyone involved with winning an Oscar. I read somewhere for actors its an additional %20 for the rest of their career.
I was surprised woke didn't win, the film was good, the acting was good. But I expect its because Emma Stone is one of their own where as Lily is not in the club (yet). Also they don't see a future career for her as she is not typical so "what is the point".
My partner and I do our own little tournament. I usually vote with my heart and he votes with who he thinks is going to win. We both voted for Lily, but honestly we’re not disappointed Emma won. She’s great in the move, but of course Lily was also great in her movie!
I met Lily at a showing of Fancy Dance and she was just such a wonderful beautiful person in real life and I hope she gets a chance for an Oscar in the future!!
(Side note, please watch Fancy Dance if you haven’t! It’s wonderful!!!)
Sandra Huller should have won. But she only ended up winning Cesar and European Film Award.
Agreed! Best movie of 2023 imo!
I agree. Although, Emma Stone is my second favorite of the nominees.
Agreed. That was the female performance of the year for me.
Bless you for being honest
I could not agree more... with everything. Well said Kayla.
Poor Things is the kind of movie that sours after you first watch it. In the moment, it's fun and exciting, you're on board. But after watching it and sitting with it for a while, my criticisms came to the forefront. Yes Emma Stone gave a career-best performance, but the movie itself just rings more hollow to me now.
Also curious, if award nominees don't want to win awards, then...why are they submitting themselves for awards?
Couldn't agree more
As a Scottish person I do feel I need to check out the original novel “*Poor Things: Episodes from the Early Life of Archibald McCandless M.D., Scottish Public Health Officer*” as they removed all of the Scottishness out of the film version so a large part of Belle as a character (she’s meant to be a metaphor for the country of Scotland) is missing from the film version.
Oh that’s fascinating!
Thank you for that insight
And what would that have added? My dad is Scottish, and I read this comment to him. He laughed and say thank fuck for that leave us alone.
@@AirQuotes I don’t know why you’d just lie to me in your reply but anyway because the point of the book isn’t there anymore.
@@iain9757 haha why would I lie
Would love to see a video from you about your opinions on the biggest Oscar snubs of all time! Your opinions are just so insightful to me
This was an excellent essay.
I loved Poor Things in Emma Stone in it, the reason why I wanted Lily Gladstone to win was not only because it would have been awesome for the first Indigenous American to win the award but because she was paired with two a-listers in De Niro and DiCaprio and yet anytime she was on screen, she radiated and I wanted to look at her. I don't agree with the idea that she would have done better in supporting actress because I really believe she is a lead in KOTFM. But, that's neither here nor there, I will lick my wounds and be happy for Emma Stone, especially because it is crappy to put all the blame on her.
She should have won the Oscar. ❤ Emma Stone will have more opportunities in Hollywood. This was Lilly Gladstone's once in a lifetime opportunity to win an Oscar. But she was robbed. The Academy doesn't like natives point blank period.
I feel the exact same as you about Lily Gladstone. it's so nice to see a different form of femininity with her, where she's showing you don't have to have a high pitched voice, be bubbly and chirpy, or be white and blonde to be a woman in Hollywood. I really hope we get to see more of her and as you say, not just in "sad stoic indigenous woman" roles. obviously her heritage is important to who she is, but it's not the only thing. I think there's still a lot of intrinsic bias against women who don't perform femininity in certain ways, especially in movie roles. you can see it online with all the fanboys who are very concerned about female characters being "too stoic" or "unlikable" or "wooden", as if they ever judged men for the same things.
also yes Dune 2 in 2025. I've not even seen it yet, I just want my boy Denis Villeneuve to get the flowers he deserved back in 2016 for Arrival.
I so wanted Lily to win. She totally deserved it.
I haven't seen Killers or Poor Things, but from clips and trailers, Lily's performance stands out more to me. For whatever that's worth. The Academy can some times overlook subtlety. I will say though that the Academy very rarely, if ever, rewards a performance that isn't worthy.
Just imagine a world in which True Detective S4 would have been done right. With Lily as the lead. With actual writers. With actual directors. With none of the "Ye gotta do better, white old man" bull. I truly hope that she gets projects offered to shine in. Both Emma and Lily were worthy of that golden thing, which, let's face it, ain't that worth much anyway.
As quiet as it is kept, lily Gladstone (if we’re going by Oscar politics) had alot more things working against her for 4 reasons:
1- she was pushed in a leading category for a performance that was borderline supporting, she’s 1 hour of screen time in a 3 hour film, I know there are expectations to short runtime performances winning leading but its just not only the screen time there’s also the presence and the overall importance of the character to the film, both in terms of screen time and how the screenplay depicted lily’s character, she was more supporting than lead, it’s always better for a performance that is co-lead to successfully campaigns and win in supporting,
2- killers of the flowers moon lost a lot of stem after the October 2023 release the only thing keeping it relevant was the campaign for lily but a film must have a great studio campaigning to it and still have some relevancy after it’s release to be fresh on Oscar voters mind, poor things was released in December and became a box office sleeper hit that grossed $100 million WW by the time oscar was about to premiere.
3- the narrative campaign for lily randomly shifted after her golden globe win it initally was the familiar narrative of ingenue actress who spent years building a strong resume and critical notices making her star studded mainstream breakthrough, then after her golden globe win the narrative shifted to lily winning the Oscar so she can make history by becoming the first indigenous actress to win the best actress Oscar, it’s not good to make the narrative of a POC actor who can potentially make history with their Oscar wins be the driving point to their narratives seeing in the cases of Denzel Washington, Michelle yeoh, halle berry and Ariana DeBose it’s better to make it part of the narrative bc otherwise it can cross into borderline tokenism.
4- there was a unconventional timing for the sag awards, the sag usually take place weeks or a whole month before final Oscar voting processes begin/ends and this help when the SAG is the last televised precours award before final Oscar voting so whoever won the Sag usually have the advantage of having the recent buzz and hype fresh on Oscar voters since the same Oscar voters are also SAG voters, unfortunately due to the SAG strike, the sag awards was delayed to 2/24, 3 days before the final Oscar voting ended aka 2/27, Emma already won back to back from the critic voice and BAFTA, which for consideration the televised BAFTA awards took place 4 days before final Oscar voting began so Emma had more momentum among final Oscar voting time.
i totally agree with your on reason #4. lily gladstone and michelle yeoh were in a similar situation. what hurts lily is that final oscar voting began 3 day before she won sag. so after she won sag, oscar voters only have another 3 days to vote, so probably many voters already voted for emma for the first 3 days of oscar voting, knowing that emma won bafta 4 days prior to final Oscar voting began. where as in the case of michelle, final oscar voting did not begin until 4 days after michelle won sag. so that means oscar voters have a full 6 days to vote and knowing that michelle won sag going into voting. i think that makes a difference between michelle winning oscar and lily losing oscar. had lily have the same time line as michelle, she might have won. also other factors boost michelle case is that she is in the best picture winner movie that sweeps everything to the point where it helps jamie lee Curtis to win as well, where as lily's film was not an oscar front runner, which has no enthusiasm in any other categories but lily's leading actress catergory.
There were also four other actresses in her category who gave GREAT and OSCAR WORTHY performances. In past years any one of them would've been the solid frontrunner. Had NYAD been released the year Jessica Chastain won for The Eyes of Tammy Faye, Annette Bening would've WALKED AWAY with the Oscar. My vote this year would've gone to Sandra Huller or Carey Mulligan.
Well said and a good breakdown.
Lily has gotten a lot of recognition despite that Killers has been generally unappreciated. She'll keep getting great roles and will have many other opportunities.
That category was a coin flip for all the reasons you supplied. But as an Osage and a former Chief of the Tribe, I was really rooting for Lily. She brought the humanity of our people to life in the Osage Reign of Terror to an international audience. A real crime against our people that still reverberates today in our community. Many Osages today can identify a loss in their family to someone who went through this experience. And yes, my Great Grandfather Henry Roan was murdered in this story.
Part of the reason Gladstone lost is ironically the Academy’s own efforts to create a more diverse international voting pool. Poor Things has more appeal than KOTFM w international voters which helped push Emma Stone to victory. You can see the mark of the academy’s international trending in other wins like Godzilla, zone of interest for sound over the favored Oppenheimer and Anatomy of a Fall (the Palme D’Or winner) for screenplay.
Zone of Interest would have been a different movie without the sound. It was integral to the plot whereas in Oppenheimer, it complemented the story. Zone deserved the win here.
Right. Lily’s sag win wasn’t all that surprising considering it’s made up mostly Americans.
Poor things was already amazing but Emma Stone shot it into another universe with how great she was.
Oscars lost me when they gave best picture to Shakespeare in Love instead of Saving Private Ryan
The Oscars aren’t even relevant anymore.
I agree with you. They both gave amazing performances. So different. I wish Lily Gladstone had received that Oscar 😕
I say KEEP GOING LILY. Youll get that Oscar.
You are 100% right.
I was gagged!
P.S. I can’t wait to see Dune Part 2!
Lily did AMAZING but she felt like a supporting performance in KOTFM, she was missing for 2/3 of the movie, I believe that if she had gone supporting she would’ve swept
Lily was tremendous but I agree. Though I still think she would have been a deserving winner for Best Actress. As is Emma Stone. Unfortunately now some people are already turning on Emma for her win.
@@Missjunebugfreak Why would people turn on Emma Stone? Better yet, why do people seem to nod and accept it if Cillian Murphy wins over Paul Giamatti, or Brendan Fraser wins over Austin Butler, or Anthony Hopkins wins over Chadwick Boseman? Why does it seem to only be a scandal when actresses don't get nominated or win?
Frances Mcdormand was only in 26 minutes of Fargo and won best actress, likewise Anthony Hopkins was in Silence of the Lambs for only 16 minutes and won best actor. Even if she would have been put for best supporting, it's likely Da'vine would have swept that award and deservingly so. Lily was more than worthy to be nominated as the lead so i don't think this a valid argument to make imo. There's countless other examples of actors/actresses winning best actor and actress with even less screen time than Lily.
@@ayeshaa6506 100% valid, however this was in a lot of voters minds, and KOTFM was not as loved as Fargo or Silence of the lambs. This would all been solved if Scorcese did this movie from the natives perspective
@@isaacleoon yes that is very true and I know he received a lot of criticism for it but equally the film was very well-received also. Im shocked it did not get any accolades at all but I wonder if the discussion of genocide perhaps rang too true for many people at the Oscars. Either way, Emma did have an amazing performance. I just personally think the way the press was marketing the oscars, the way Lily's win would have been historical whilst also inviting Native performers at the Oscars for the film to receive nothing is just quite disappointing to see.
Great video.
Agree with you 100%
The way killers got ignored was a bit depressing, forgotten (like the murders themselves and with Hollywood's reputation with EVERY natice american tribe.) Like it feels like it was way more important for lily to win this then emma imo
I desperately wanted Lily to win
emma and lily did great. so whoever wins deserves it for me.
I’m so early, Charles Melton was robbed
You are so early, Charlie Chaplin's "City Lights" was robbed of an Oscar.
And the question still has to be asked; when are we gonna stop giving af about award shows?
When the general public don’t go to see films because they are up for awards
@@Scorpio.Incubus I'm commenting because I like the UA-camr. Not the topic itself. And even so, no one needs to comment only on topics they like.
When actors stop getting opportunities based on award wins.
NEVER
artists deserve to have their work recognized, and choosing to engage in that recognition is entirely your choice.
Agree... Poor Thinks like Emma did great with their social commentary, but miss the mark in several points... yet Lilly´s performance was impecable in the most subtle way, the hardest way, what awakes the most connection, the most admirable sense of gesticular control, character creation and great acting, subtlety over eccentricity.
I think Lily Gladstone had an amazing quiet acting performance this year, but I feel like great quiet acting performances sometimes get overlooked by the Oscars. I thought Zac Efron had great acting great quiet acting performance this year in The Iron Claw as well.
This was dead on…Lily was robbed and essentially was a role that would traditionally win the Oscar…I’ve seen the Emma stone character before with Jodie foster in Nell and thandie newton in beloved…this was by no means an original character…Killers of the flower moon was a daring and important story that should have been recognized for something even if only it was for only best actress
I am still trying to figure out the whole Christopher Nolan debate. I think Oppenheimer was FANTASTIC. It's so disheartening to see people tear each other down after a really good year in movies. I feel like people put years of work into these movies and these Award ceremonies seem to be a popularity contest, but what's new. I enjoyed it this year and loved seeing the past winners present the awards. It was great to see OG Hollywood there (Nick Cage, Tim Robbins, Matthew McConaughey, etc.). They all looked really great! But I'm just a rando who likes to watch movies with my kids. We have bonded over Barbie, Marvel & Harry Potter films and it's become our little tradition to critique them as they come out. Love your review❤
Gotta say I didn’t get on board with Poor Things as well.. I wish, but it wasn’t for me. Really liked The Favourite and was looking forward to this, but oh well
I like when the same bloggers who were SALIVATING over Cody Smith-McPhee's performance in 'The Power of the Dog' are now saying that people think Lily Gladstone is a good actress just because she has 'a strong racial narrative' (not saying names here, but there are a few). It's just incredible that people can't even see they are contradicting themselves.
(to be clear, I'm not saying they like Cody Smith-McPhee because he was white; I'm saying what Cody Smith-McPhee does in that movie is similar to Lily Gladstone's performance; I would even say Lily Gladstone does more than Cody; no hate to him, btw, I liked both his and Lily's performances when I was watching, they were both great)
If Gladstone had like 10% more screen time and more emphasis on her character’s internal life she would have won.
It’s v obvious that they didn’t expect her character to be the Oscars vehicle and she really shined considering the amount she was given to work with
I can’t wait to see what she does next ❤
Whoa. You said it ALL! New viewer, new subscriber.
super valid take! I agree 100% KOTM was one of my favorites
I absolutely agree with you!
That Emma Stone movie was incredibly stupid and boring. Lily Gladstone should have won that one! O well, the academy has a weird standard on who wins awards to begin with. That committee will continue to shit on Tongva lands and exploit the real winners! 🤣🙄
YOU ARE STUPID, NOT THE MOVIE....
Honestly, I'd've given Dafoe an Oscar for either of the times he played Green Goblin
lily gladstone currently costars in a show on hulu called under the bridge, based on a book and true story, and she’s sooo good. _and queer in the story!_ & you’re right, queen of strong subtlety!! she just has to make a facial expression for you to be fully engaged, it only builds with her speaking and so on. not unlike someone like elisabeth moss who kills in that department, just to make a comparison of the _type_ of impact, for someone who hasn’t seen lily’s work yet. but lily is still completely unique and has her own great sense of humor tied into her talent for drama. i see her going much further and am so thrilled she didn’t quit acting!!!!
*i did love poor things and think emma was uniquely right for that role. but lily’s time will come!!! i mean, it has! but the oscar time i mean. emma was completely shocked i remember seeing that she was not expecting her name whatsoever; i think she was rooting for lily
What do you think about Frances Mcdorman's performances in Nomadland? That's a pretty subtle type of acting I think. I was quite surprised she won as I did not think the academy voters would gravitate towards that type of performance.
Wasn't that soon after three billboards? If she lost for that it would have made an 'overdue' narrative maybe. Im not particularly knowledgable about her career or the competition tgqt year though
Thank you for this video. I completely agree with you. Lily's performance was IMO the best of the year. Too many other YT video bloggers are writing this off as a better performance by Emma Stone and I disagree with that perspective.
If I'm being honest, I feel like the reason she didn't win was because think about it: LEAD ACTRESS.
When you hear the word "lead", you think main character. Except in Flower Moon, Molly's not the protagonist, Ernest is. He's the focus of the story, and not Mollie all that much. Now while Gladstone clearly gave her all in every scene, I think that's why people said she deserved it. Although, I feel like the movie would have been 10 times better if that acting she gave was when SHE was the focus of the story. Show from her side why she would trust someone like Ernest to the point of being his wife, why she couldn't have figured it out sooner what his involvement in her family's deaths was, or even the fact that it wasn't insulin he was injecting her with.
Maybe there could have been a way to show both her and Ernest's points-of-view, but with this in mind, it makes what could've been much more of brilliant movie have that potential lost.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
Full disclosure, I do not give two cents about "muh representation." If everyone who wins an award is white, I don't care so long as it's actually merited through the quality of their work. Likewise, if all of the awards went to people whow aren't white and if they did the best work thst year, I do not care. Good for them. Quality and the recognition thereof are what matter most, and it's just statistical probability that the majority of people who get awards will probably be members of the racial majority because that's just the general demographic makeup of the population and how probabilities work without anything to unfairly skew outcomes. I also don't blame people for accusing others of "just wanting the Native American woman to win because she's a Native American woman." Whether or not that's actually true in any given case is irrelevant to the fact that a lot of people on social media in particular have absolutely set that tone over the last decade. It's not unreasonable to make that assunption because a lot of ignorant people do actually think this way (not that individuals should be painted with the same broad brush, mind you, I'm just saying I get why people do it).
With all of that said up front, Lilly Gladstone absolutely deserved that win imo. I don't think racial politics went into the decision in this case, but I completely agree that it's because she didn't give the kind of overstated (sometimes bordering on the medlodramatic) performance that the Academy usually laps up. I think Stone got the award for best female actor for similar reasons why DiCaprio won best male actor for The Revenant. They both went to some rather extreme (albeit very different) lengths for their roles. In the case of Emma Stone, I honestly think it is just because some of her scenes were sexually graphic. Regardless of the quality of her performance, I think they ultimately chose her because she was willing fo "go there." (I'm also of the opinion that the concept of her character being in those situations seems a little sus, and I don't know how to feel about it). There's just no appreciation for a subtle performance these days. I didn't know any of that information about Gladstone, but I'm really happy for her. She more than deserved the recognition. Her performance is just all the more impressive considering the background that got her to this point. Emma Stone is just a great actor who turned in another quality performance. Even ignoring the banal racial politics people can read into the situation, it just seems like Gladstone's accomplishment is more impressive because it took more to acheive this level of recognition. Idk if that makes total sense, but that's my take on it.
I still can't believe how snubbed killers of the flowers moon was, i really thought that they where going to give it best movie, note, it wasn't my favorite movie of the year or favorite oscar nom (for me it was anatomy of a fall) but I really though that it was going to be killers of the flower moon for best movie because I did think it was the best movie this year
I made one Oscar prediction to my friend: Killers wasn't going to win anything. I made it because he had two previous movies, Gangs of New York and The Irishman, get ten nominations with no wins, and I thought they both deserved something (Gangs for Cinematography and Production Design for certain). And beyond that, as the essayist says, AMPAS doesn't like to actually give Scorsese much after nominating him. Taxi Driver got nothing, Goodfellas got only one (equal to the number Barbie got this year), Age of Innocence got one, Raging Bull got two (both deserving wins, but it didn't get Picture or Director), and plenty of other deserving films, like King of Comedy, got no consideration for anything.
For me, as someone who has seen both films, what cemented Gladstone for me was the scene where we see her *SPOILER* break down. In the same way Toni Collette and Florence Pugh’s cries in Asters films left a sour taste in my mouth, there is something very real and raw in Gladstone’s screams. It is quite haunting. Also her final scene with DiCaprio you can see how broken Burkhart is, without any explicit dialogue pointing to that conclusion.
I love Emma Stone in Poor Things, and in fact I prefer Poor Things as a film, but Gladstone does so much with so little time, that it feels like she is in the film much more than she is.
Nobody is ever "robbed" at the Oscars. It is always a subjective vote that doesn't necessarily correlate with performance. Beyond that ... how is performance even measured? Let's be honest: best actor and best actress awards usually go to the most impressive roles ... meaning the combination of acting, direction, writing, and cinematography. All awards for artistic expression are absurd at some level. There is no way to really measure art. We have these awards because they are fun. Beyond that ... nothing much to take away.
Very well said
Both Stone and Gladstone were inredible, but I was also affected by Sandra Huller's performance. Although nominated for Anatomy of a Fall, she was also extraordinary in Zone of Interest.She also carries the film in three languages -- English, French and German -- and plays her character with such brilliant complexity and ambiguity.
LG would have been a better choice in many ways. I think she outperformed ES, but alas, the academy voted the way it voted.
Lily also had a great roll in Reservation Dogs
the curse mention hell yeah!!
I slightly prefer Emma’s performance but I was kinda rooting for Lily.