I bought one of these (mini-bike style frame) without the rear suspension. I very quickly realized that it would beat me to death and was too hard on my back. I built a framework that I put between the seat and frame with stiff springs (automotive valve springs). That improved the ride immensely. It also raised the seat which made pedaling easier as well.
Good idea. I used a suspension seatpost and nicer seat on my DIY ebike build (it has front suspension already) and mostly it handles things just fine, but I still need to get up on the pedals for the big ruts or it will bottom out and fuck up my spine....currently healing very tenderly from such a rut and in need of a better suspension seat post.
Does it matter that much? I've always had push bikes without any rear suspension and they seemed fine. Is there a difference with a moped that means you need it, or is it just in general they're easier on the back?
You are so handy. That was a great review. I have a Nakto Pony as my first ebike. I ordered a radrunner but had problems with order so I went with something more affordable. I love the electric ride. I started with one of those skateboards with a seat and handlebars. Im an older rider an this has bought cycling back to me. Has more virtues than a motorcycle. No registration- no gas. This is the wave of the future. Onward!
Liked the comparisons between the styles of ebikes, I recently bought a Himiway Cruiser Step-Thru after watching your videos (plus alot of other reviews). It is my first ebike and will replace a very aged (but loved) mountain style bike. I'm 73 and have ridden the regular bike on errands numerous times , but would like to go a little further for some errands and I think the ebike will help with this without tiring me out. Thanks for the great videos!!!
Great Review! You covered all angles of the pros and cons. I noticed most E bikes you always have a longer wait time for assembly and they sell out. This is the case for Himiway models. For now I will look out for lesser assembly time.
I have an old school petrol moped bike that I want to convert into an e-bike, ur videos contain a lot of useful info that gonna aid me on my project, thanks
Great to have your Ebike School informing us as to the reality of these style bikes. The industry embellishes and knowing truth over fiction (in some important areas) is important. Important because they cost so much! We need to know what we’re getting into. All your points were spot on. I have a Juiced Hyper Scorpion with no issues 8 months now. The range was not as advertised in the realistic sense. I have put a 52v 30ah battery on the rear in a Pelican hard case with a parallel on/off switch. Solves the range anxiety problem and as is with these bikes, allows the time to enjoy them fully.
I live in a mountainous area and have a somewhat similar bike from a competing brand, currently packing 76.8 Ah which on throttle-alone gets perhaps an anxiety-less 125 miles which is fine for most days but it's 45lbs of batteries and as-sold I should be getting 225 miles, I've been taking it in baby-steps because I won't be pushing this one up a mountain home... 🤗
So mad that the UA-cam alert did not let me know this video was available. Love learning about this stuff. About to purchase a bike in Italy. Trying to learn all I can before purchase.
Interesting class of bikes. As you were talking about speed I wondered how much speed fades as the battery discharges. I built an electric motorcycle and the top speed on a fresh battery is much more than on a 50 pct discharged battery.
Thanks for this video, there are a few bikes like this popping up in Australia and this is a good explanation of the strengths and weaknesses of the style. Here we are "legally" restricted to a max of 250watts and top speed of 25kph. But given at least some appear to be electronically speed restricted one at a stretch may be able to argue/set the bike to meet the 25kph speed restriction. I have read that some of the ebikes coming into Oz from China have a 250watt sticker on the motor but are actually 300 - 350 watts. I guess the ideal situation is to have a motor that is not physically large and hence attract attention and launch Adobe Indesign or Illustrator and make a clearer and larger 25 watt sticker. 😁
@@dant.6364 In Australia gas powered requires a specific license, annual registration and 3rd party insurance fees. Plus the idea is to phase out carbon emitters in an attempt to restrict global climate change. Resulting in extreme weather events, such as, the catastrophic floods in Europe August 2021
@@dant.6364 - People won't give you a second look when you ride an electric, pedal-assist bike on a bike path in a park. But a motorized bike will draw attention and likely get you a ticket.
I've taken my bike to REI a handful of times for help and they never charge me because I help them problem shoot and they always chock it up as a "learning experience" thank you REI
In Maryland, where I live, these bikes require a moped license plate from the MVA if they go 30 MPH or make 2 hp. I chose the smaller 750 watt juiced bike to slip under the requirement.
Interesting, but I really enjoy the pedaling on my E-MTB. I did add a throttle to my build and find I used it when I stripped out a crank 10 miles from home, and sometimes to zip across an intersection while stopped and I am tired from a long ride...otherwise I dig my ride.... but maybe build out a minibike style off roader with real fat tires!
Also another thing I am thinking about: I just saw a video about recycling companies that salvage the lithium and other elements out of spent batteries... When those elements get put into new/refurbished batteries, are they just as good as ones made with all new materials? Thanks! Stay safe. I hope you are in the states right now!
Mopeds in general have never really been great to pedal on many of the older original 2 Strokers. the Pedals were basically used to go about 10 to 20 feet with enough speed to start the gas engine the older ones didn’t have electric starters or kick starters as a rule in the 1970s i ran out of fuel on one and thought well i’ll just pedal home it was only 4 miles but it was uncomfortable as can be thanks for your video and information on these Ebikes
YesSiRr!! This is Definately one of the better once out there... thankz for the reviews bro.. your alwayz very informative and entertaining viewing!! Stay Bless and Stay Safe out there big FellA!!
I have had a juice scorpion x for little over a year and it's a good all-around bike I did put some better tires on it because it comes with practically a slicks they're supposed to be road tires but I put better there's no tires on it cuz ride mine year around
Australians who want a bike like this that fits our regressive power regulations of 250W, check out the Dirodi Rover, and the Ampd Bros Ace. The Dirodi is cheaper, but it lacks the nice-to-haves like hydraulic disc brakes, and a suspension fork, but it's still a fairly comfortable ride on roads and sealed trails. The Ampd Bros Ace has those, but also the disadvantage of being technically illegal. It has a 500W motor limited to 250W, and, while I don't know about other states, I've gotten clarification from Vic Roads on that point in particular. Doesn't matter if it's limited to 250W, it's still over-powered, and you _could_ get stung for it. Extra power would be nice, but we've got to work with what we've got, and stay _within the law_ so we can argue from the moral high ground for better. We don't want to be lumped in with "hoons" who are bolting modified garden equipment motors to their bikes when we say we want just a little more oomph for taking hills easier. Even with the 250W motor on the Rover, I can take roughly 30 degree hills at about 15 km/h. 10 km/h if I start on the hill. It's not the worst thing in the world. It at least has the torque to not completely stall out while climbing. Still, it sure would be nice if I could have a 750W motor. I'd buy an Ariel Rider in an instant.
Thank you! It was so hard to find any good Info like this about these moped style bikes. Was wondering if the smaller 20inch wheels make any difference compared to a 26 inch fat bike?
I'm assuming by VIN you mean a license plate, because nearly all bikes have a serial number, which is effectively the same as a VIN. Legally speaking, generally, most states will consider a vehicle that can exceed 20 mph with throttle only operation a moped. The licensing and education required differ state by state for operating a moped. In Michigan, a person can operate a moped with a 'moped' license, which has fewer restrictions than a full driver's license. So someone can operate a moped at a younger age and with less training. Other states treat mopeds as motorcycles which have more education requirements than to operate a car.
Does anyone know if the version available for sale in Europe has the same 750W engine? It says 250W on their website, but that seems just for regulation purposes, all other stats stay the same, such as estimated travel distance on a single charge..
I do have to say. Those moped style E-bikes move faster then actual bikes in most cases and are often on a similar scale with actual mopeds. So for safety I do recommend wearing actual moped helmets and gear.
Great nice video Im looking forward for more Video tutorial A lot of learning stuff It helps me to foresee on what ebike design i am going to make I am currently a college student, But now im just watching, enjoying your videos! 😁😁
I watched all of your video, and you motivated me to build my own ebike, thank you for that. It would be great to see your review of Vintage electric bike. Is that possible?
Guys if anyone knows what would be the best in class for this style (mopedish) if you still wanted to also pedal or might need to if your power ran out? My best guess would be the Rad Runner Plus but I'd like to hear any suggestions.
If I'm only going to use throttle on an ebike with a rear hub motor, it doesn't matter how many speed the bike has. Am I right? Multi speed is for mid motor right?
I'm 6'4" and the Ariel Rider D-Class is great for taller riders. I was wary at first, but after a lot of research I'm satisfied w/ my choice. It is more of a commuter than trying to get exercise.
Where do I go to ask questions for your Video casts? I am looking for controller information and the differences of Sine wave controllers and non Sine Wave controllers. Thanks
I would love for the opportunity to read one of your books! I've been wanting to get into ebikes for a while now I would love to learn all about anything related to ebikes or electric power!
Jolie vidéo.... et super produit ,,, mon préféré c est le Armel grizzly 52 V ou le sondors moped style,,,, j adorerais avoir l un de ces modèles mais mes potes se moquent de moi car ils n y connaissent rien .. moi je 'kiffe ,,,, au fait je peux être le gagnant de l une de tes vidéos......?... Merci par avance See ya next time
do any of these have security features? in nyc, these are targeted and easy to steal. its takes seconds to cut through a chain or u-lock with a portable grinder.
Hey friend i love your videos,tnx for the helpful information.can you please tell me about the lgdbmh11865 cell how much discharge current this cell got ? I want to buy for e -scooter 48v 21 a and my controller have max current 25a.does it feet??? Tnx
gee Im 6'6" around 225lbs I have a mtn bike [schwin] its ok - [the fit & use is "ok" for me] i started with a honda 90 but about high school it became a bit shorter(?) as I was 6'4" as a sophmore but still like the "moped" type bike if it fit me to ride? Ive has a few other bikes from big to small, but rarely used they have been sold or traded. what models might be recommended for me to use? [i prefer trail riding or dirt roads]
I bought one of these (mini-bike style frame) without the rear suspension. I very quickly realized that it would beat me to death and was too hard on my back. I built a framework that I put between the seat and frame with stiff springs (automotive valve springs). That improved the ride immensely. It also raised the seat which made pedaling easier as well.
Good idea. I used a suspension seatpost and nicer seat on my DIY ebike build (it has front suspension already) and mostly it handles things just fine, but I still need to get up on the pedals for the big ruts or it will bottom out and fuck up my spine....currently healing very tenderly from such a rut and in need of a better suspension seat post.
Does it matter that much? I've always had push bikes without any rear suspension and they seemed fine. Is there a difference with a moped that means you need it, or is it just in general they're easier on the back?
You are so handy. That was a great review. I have a Nakto Pony as my first ebike. I ordered a radrunner but had problems with order so I went with something more affordable. I love the electric ride. I started with one of those skateboards with a seat and handlebars. Im an older rider an this has bought cycling back to me. Has more virtues than a motorcycle. No registration- no gas. This is the wave of the future. Onward!
Liked the comparisons between the styles of ebikes, I recently bought a Himiway Cruiser Step-Thru after watching your videos (plus alot of other reviews). It is my first ebike and will replace a very aged (but loved) mountain style bike. I'm 73 and have ridden the regular bike on errands numerous times , but would like to go a little further for some errands and I think the ebike will help with this without tiring me out. Thanks for the great videos!!!
Great Review! You covered all angles of the pros and cons. I noticed most E bikes you always have a longer wait time for assembly and they sell out. This is the case for Himiway models. For now I will look out for lesser assembly time.
I have an old school petrol moped bike that I want to convert into an e-bike, ur videos contain a lot of useful info that gonna aid me on my project, thanks
Great to have your Ebike School informing us as to the reality of these style bikes. The industry embellishes and knowing truth over fiction (in some important areas) is important. Important because they cost so much! We need to know what we’re getting into. All your points were spot on. I have a Juiced Hyper Scorpion with no issues 8 months now. The range was not as advertised in the realistic sense. I have put a 52v 30ah battery on the rear in a Pelican hard case with a parallel on/off switch. Solves the range anxiety problem and as is with these bikes, allows the time to enjoy them fully.
I live in a mountainous area and have a somewhat similar bike from a competing brand, currently packing 76.8 Ah which on throttle-alone gets perhaps an anxiety-less 125 miles which is fine for most days but it's 45lbs of batteries and as-sold I should be getting 225 miles, I've been taking it in baby-steps because I won't be pushing this one up a mountain home... 🤗
I have a Addmotor M70 and I love it!😃 I have already put 400 miles on the E-bike and I just got it.
every episode is better than the next, this guy never fails to entertain me. thank you
So mad that the UA-cam alert did not let me know this video was available. Love learning about this stuff. About to purchase a bike in Italy. Trying to learn all I can before purchase.
Interesting class of bikes. As you were talking about speed I wondered how much speed fades as the battery discharges. I built an electric motorcycle and the top speed on a fresh battery is much more than on a 50 pct discharged battery.
This is true. A full battery provides much greater acceleration and higher top speeds. I keep my battery above 50% at all times.
Thank you for your grrreat service. You clarify all the craziness of the ebike world!
One thing that's great is Juiced sells their raised seats. Great option for taller riders.
Future goals is to have an eMoped, I dig the price point on the Himiway but like the looks of the Super 73. Thanks for the info!
Thanks for this video, there are a few bikes like this popping up in Australia and this is a good explanation of the strengths and weaknesses of the style. Here we are "legally" restricted to a max of 250watts and top speed of 25kph. But given at least some appear to be electronically speed restricted one at a stretch may be able to argue/set the bike to meet the 25kph speed restriction. I have read that some of the ebikes coming into Oz from China have a 250watt sticker on the motor but are actually 300 - 350 watts. I guess the ideal situation is to have a motor that is not physically large and hence attract attention and launch Adobe Indesign or Illustrator and make a clearer and larger 25 watt sticker. 😁
Why not just get a gas powered scooter?
@@dant.6364 In Australia gas powered requires a specific license, annual registration and 3rd party insurance fees. Plus the idea is to phase out carbon emitters in an attempt to restrict global climate change. Resulting in extreme weather events, such as, the catastrophic floods in Europe August 2021
@@Alchemetica typical power grab from elites, land of the cucks get what they deserve.
@@dant.6364 - People won't give you a second look when you ride an electric, pedal-assist bike on a bike path in a park. But a motorized bike will draw attention and likely get you a ticket.
The larger ebikes and e-mopeds are really popular with delivery riders. They were rare a year ago and now they are everywhere.
Love the e-mopeds! Thanks for doing a whole video on them! 🚴
Great video! Been collecting information for a while,this is very helpful and appreciated.
I've taken my bike to REI a handful of times for help and they never charge me because I help them problem shoot and they always chock it up as a "learning experience" thank you REI
Nice video, appreciate the info on these style ebikes.
In Maryland, where I live, these bikes require a moped license plate from the MVA if they go 30 MPH or make 2 hp. I chose the smaller 750 watt
juiced bike to slip under the requirement.
always love the videos, every video i watch inches me towards wanting an ebike.
Nice alternative way of transportation, and with all the fun that comes with it!
Hi I'm new to the channel but happy I found it thank you for all your time and wisdom
Interesting, but I really enjoy the pedaling on my E-MTB. I did add a throttle to my build and find I used it when I stripped out a crank 10 miles from home, and sometimes to zip across an intersection while stopped and I am tired from a long ride...otherwise I dig my ride.... but maybe build out a minibike style off roader with real fat tires!
Great work bro and waiting to see video from Lifepo project.
I just got a folding bike so this might be next on my list!
Found your channel recently and love the videos
Next level E-peds. Nice video Micah.
Really cool and informative video. Thanks so much. Your site makes it a one stop shop when deciding which bike to choose.
Can you please make a video for what to choose for a diy ebike hub motor or mid drive ?
Love watching your bike videos.
Moped style Ebikes are a game changer! Great review.
Also another thing I am thinking about: I just saw a video about recycling companies that salvage the lithium and other elements out of spent batteries... When those elements get put into new/refurbished batteries, are they just as good as ones made with all new materials? Thanks!
Stay safe. I hope you are in the states right now!
Just rode my first Ebike. Was really surprised and it was even a cheap one. Been looking at buying the Jupiter.
Mopeds in general have never really been great to pedal on many of the older original 2 Strokers. the Pedals were basically used to go about 10 to 20 feet with enough speed to start the gas engine the older ones didn’t have electric starters or kick starters as a rule in the 1970s i ran out of fuel on one and thought well i’ll just pedal home it was only 4 miles but it was uncomfortable as can be thanks for your video and information on these Ebikes
I am liking the smaller utility cycles. Looking forward to their next advances.
Hi Micah, can you make a video about silent ebikes, and maybe modifications you can make to make your ebike motor quieter? Thank you!
Good review, hope to getting one soon!
Thanks
YesSiRr!! This is Definately one of the better once out there... thankz for the reviews bro.. your alwayz very informative and entertaining viewing!! Stay Bless and Stay Safe out there big FellA!!
I have had a juice scorpion x for little over a year and it's a good all-around bike I did put some better tires on it because it comes with practically a slicks they're supposed to be road tires but I put better there's no tires on it cuz ride mine year around
Hi there, I loved your information about e-bikes! Thanks a lot! May God bless you! 😃
Great video! Keep up the amazing work!
Great informative video. Thanks! I'm looking to buy one of these moped style e-bikes soon.
Nice little quick guide.
Australians who want a bike like this that fits our regressive power regulations of 250W, check out the Dirodi Rover, and the Ampd Bros Ace. The Dirodi is cheaper, but it lacks the nice-to-haves like hydraulic disc brakes, and a suspension fork, but it's still a fairly comfortable ride on roads and sealed trails. The Ampd Bros Ace has those, but also the disadvantage of being technically illegal. It has a 500W motor limited to 250W, and, while I don't know about other states, I've gotten clarification from Vic Roads on that point in particular. Doesn't matter if it's limited to 250W, it's still over-powered, and you _could_ get stung for it.
Extra power would be nice, but we've got to work with what we've got, and stay _within the law_ so we can argue from the moral high ground for better. We don't want to be lumped in with "hoons" who are bolting modified garden equipment motors to their bikes when we say we want just a little more oomph for taking hills easier.
Even with the 250W motor on the Rover, I can take roughly 30 degree hills at about 15 km/h. 10 km/h if I start on the hill. It's not the worst thing in the world. It at least has the torque to not completely stall out while climbing. Still, it sure would be nice if I could have a 750W motor. I'd buy an Ariel Rider in an instant.
These videos sure cheer the day!
Good presentation. Bike looks good.
Great video! Always enjoy the content you put on her. Looking to buy myself another e-bike. The moped style really look intriguing.
Would be nice to see some diy again
Thank you! It was so hard to find any good Info like this about these moped style bikes. Was wondering if the smaller 20inch wheels make any difference compared to a 26 inch fat bike?
Since these do go faster than 20 mph (with throttle) won't I need a VIN in the majority of the USA?
I'm assuming by VIN you mean a license plate, because nearly all bikes have a serial number, which is effectively the same as a VIN.
Legally speaking, generally, most states will consider a vehicle that can exceed 20 mph with throttle only operation a moped. The licensing and education required differ state by state for operating a moped.
In Michigan, a person can operate a moped with a 'moped' license, which has fewer restrictions than a full driver's license. So someone can operate a moped at a younger age and with less training.
Other states treat mopeds as motorcycles which have more education requirements than to operate a car.
Can you do more spot welder videos? Preferably not expensive ones
Does anyone know if the version available for sale in Europe has the same 750W engine? It says 250W on their website, but that seems just for regulation purposes, all other stats stay the same, such as estimated travel distance on a single charge..
250w is the limit in Europe. Look up the laws in your country I'm in the US.
Can you please recommend a full suspension 2 person e-bike thanks
Lectric XP still seems like the best bang for the buck 💵
I got one for me and the lady. Best purchase in a long time
b@@ispeakmucho
Lectric XP
I do have to say. Those moped style E-bikes move faster then actual bikes in most cases and are often on a similar scale with actual mopeds. So for safety I do recommend wearing actual moped helmets and gear.
Important advice before buying, thanks
Great nice video
Im looking forward for more
Video tutorial
A lot of learning stuff
It helps me to foresee on what ebike design i am going to make
I am currently a college student,
But now im just watching, enjoying your videos!
😁😁
Would like to see more about DIY stuff.
Does welding in series or in parallel increase the entire pack's discharge rate or is it still the individual cells' discharge maximum?
Parallel with the same unit you have half of the discharge rate. If you put in series you have double voltage but with same capacity
I've put just over 1900 miles on my Lectric XP and now I'm looking for an electric moped!
Same here. Want something faster lol
Your ebike book is awesome.
Nice explaination bro
On mid drive ebike, installing ebrake is a must?
What are the difference between the normal bicycle spoke and some of the motorcycle like spoke?
I watched all of your video, and you motivated me to build my own ebike, thank you for that.
It would be great to see your review of Vintage electric bike. Is that possible?
I love the look of those, but sadly have 3 ebikes already, the wife is catching onto me.... 👀 would love a book!
Easy solution sell them and get this.
Cool range of bikes!
That class of e-bikes seems to hit a nice sweet spot for Local transportation or just plain fun.
Guys if anyone knows what would be the best in class for this style (mopedish) if you still wanted to also pedal or might need to if your power ran out? My best guess would be the Rad Runner Plus but I'd like to hear any suggestions.
More videos!! good job Micah.
If I'm only going to use throttle on an ebike with a rear hub motor, it doesn't matter how many speed the bike has. Am I right? Multi speed is for mid motor right?
Checking out your review on Electrek! This e-bike looks decent.
I have one question for this. Are electric bikes good for snow? I live in NJ and want to know if I can get to work with this in snow.
Have you used the Bolton 35A controller? If so, could you do a video about the settings? Thanks.
Which is best for pedaling? Thanks!
Loving the videos, keep it up! 💪
Fantastic video. How long does it hold a charge for? What kind of driving range does it have?
Hi Can I connect 1000watts controller to 750watts motor ? Pls. guide me thanks
I like the utility aspect of the moped style evokes but I'm 6'-6" in height and cannot get one.
I'm 6'4" and the Ariel Rider D-Class is great for taller riders. I was wary at first, but after a lot of research I'm satisfied w/ my choice. It is more of a commuter than trying to get exercise.
Great Review as always
Very informative, I want one.
Have you done review on Copenhagen wheel before if not could you make one? Thanks in advance!
Thank you for another great educational video.
Where do I go to ask questions for your Video casts? I am looking for controller information and the differences of Sine wave controllers and non Sine Wave controllers. Thanks
I want a free book! I'd also like to know if it's feasible to build a solar power charger for a 52v bike???
Best e bike builder man on youtube. Next try to build enduro 12000w china e bike. Very popular in e bike world. 😏
need youre help i have an ebe1 gotrax need it to go faster than 15.5 mph... any suggestions
Another great and informative video. Toda Raba!
I would love for the opportunity to read one of your books! I've been wanting to get into ebikes for a while now I would love to learn all about anything related to ebikes or electric power!
Jolie vidéo.... et super produit ,,, mon préféré c est le Armel grizzly 52 V ou le sondors moped style,,,, j adorerais avoir l un de ces modèles mais mes potes se moquent de moi car ils n y connaissent rien .. moi je 'kiffe ,,,, au fait je peux être le gagnant de l une de tes vidéos......?... Merci par avance See ya next time
Awesome! Keep up the good work👍
do any of these have security features? in nyc, these are targeted and easy to steal. its takes seconds to cut through a chain or u-lock with a portable grinder.
If you take a look at the Segway emoped you will see it has a lot of security features
I’ll have to give one of these a try. Looks fun. I hope to win a book also. Thanks for making the videos. Really enjoy them.
New to your channel, great reviews and informative information, THX!
any plans to convert your other books to kindle versions?
Hey friend i love your videos,tnx for the helpful information.can you please tell me about the lgdbmh11865 cell how much discharge current this cell got ? I want to buy for e -scooter 48v 21 a and my controller have max current 25a.does it feet??? Tnx
gee Im 6'6" around 225lbs I have a mtn bike [schwin] its ok - [the fit & use is "ok" for me]
i started with a honda 90 but about high school it became a bit shorter(?) as I was
6'4" as a sophmore but still like the "moped" type bike if it fit me to ride?
Ive has a few other bikes from big to small, but rarely used they have been sold or traded.
what models might be recommended for me to use? [i prefer trail riding or dirt roads]
3 18v 6ah power tool batteries to power 1000w brushless motor with 30ah controller?
can i use 2-36 volt batteries for 72 volt motor??? cant seem to found small 72 volt batt. thanks
72v motors are usually 3kw
You won't find a "small" pre-built battery capable of 3kw
Nor would you find a couple 36v batteries capable of 1500w