This video was recorded prior to Antorus release. Now we pretty much know that frost is slightly ahead of unholy, especially on mythic. There are a few reasons for this, which I might discuss in a video in the future. Cheers!
the first time I started playing as an UH DK I could understand nothing about how to play properly, but after I got some help from another guy and got the hang of this spec I started to fkn enjoy it, it looked like a fucking piano at the beginning tho. And after I got a proper legendary (Tak'theritrix's Shoulderpads) it's gotten even better and joyful
I'll wait a month too see logs to decide, but for now i'll stick with unholy since my Weapon is like 9 traits higher than frost, and my UH gear is ahead of ny frost. I'm so going to miss ToS tier set for frost in m+, bosses die super fast at 50 stacks
I was secretly hoping for frost to lead the way, as i'm a little tired of Dark Arbiter. Would be nice if on a few bosses a Defile build could be used, i love that style. But i like Unholy and Frost about the same so i don't mind either way tbh. Thanks for the vid Hyper!
Yeah, I was kinda hoping that either there will be a few bosses where we need to use completely different build, or Frost would be better on certain bosses, just to shake up the monotony.
Mained frost all expansion but my guild changed to horde. Having already gotten curve and being bored of m+ I decided to just make a new dk instead of transferring. Leveled and geared as unholy for a change and enjoyed it to the point where I switched to it.
unholy is just more fun to play imo. frost is a little dull. ive been unholy since i made my dk and just cant get into frost. glad to see it doing well xD
If u r a casual u can pick frost, if u care about the main and stuff like that go for unholy......unholy has always been in the top group of the charts, frost was nerfed pretty badly and just got buffed in 7.3 or 7.2.5 which is later in the expac lol....unholy is complex but seriously rewarding, it overcomes lack of mobility and more defensive spells than frost
Tier 20 Frost set > gives almost nothing , except some a little bit of str , a lot of boses have knockback in torus, Frost have immnune with pillar or frost , and frost have good sustain dmg , Tier 20 for UH gives a lot of burst dmg , and also a lot of movement in mythic tos , and with UH you not lot so much dps as frost. In tier 21 most depends on fights, Unholy Lost he strong burst , but get better sustain , Frost get more valueble set , and have immune to knockbacks , whitch have like 5 or 6 bosses in torus.
For your UI what is the festering wound icon on the bottom left of your WA setup? ive watched this video and i see nothing actually occurs to that icon. and im trying to figure out what it is representing
Zade Rose Hale Unholy has the benefit of pretty much all of our abilities cleaving, the only issue is that our new set bonus is pure ST. On aoe frost might be comparable, but just the situational cleave UH will still be better imo
for me i loved frost i play 2v2 and 1v1s on world pvp i did play unholy but it did not do thedamag and the heallingi wanted for legion pvp i am playing frost now on legion pservers
Hey! DeathNarak here, honestly I’d love for unholy to be better if they changed the build up a little bit (shadow ranged build could be cool with minimal melee uptime). And if frost was better I’d be happy too.
I have some bad news for you. This was recorded pre antorus release haha. Frost is slightly better now, but UH is still pulling pretty good numbers so it's viable
I wonder how it will play out once the 2-set for unholy being bugged and only proccing at ~50% of the tooltip is fixed.. Would you think this could put unholy back on top?
Hyperion Gaming hi, can u please help me, i looked up the web for any recommendations for antorus trinkets, but i didnt find anything :-( Would you be so nice and tell me which trinkets would be BiS for frost dk? I would appreciate if you help me :) best wishes stefan
/sarcasm - Frost is clearly doing 100 more DPS on Unholy and is completely destroying it! Why would you ever use Unholy when Frost does a massive 100 extra dps!!! /sarcasm They seem pretty even. High movement = Unholy, Tank and Spank = Frost. I like it. Unless you are doing Mythic raiding... then you use the spec your group decides will work best with that group/fight. Overall, pick the one you like best, although Unholy does have more utility to it then Frost does.
Well, there is a point where... "I don't like/enjoy this spec, it doesn't work for me and I will under perform with it instead of the other spec." That was me with any Rogue spec other then Sub or playing as Arms Warrior. "I just... umm. No." was my answer most the time.
I wanted Frost to be competitive. I already hit 75 on my unholy im at 74 on my frost. Sadly with the changes looks like Unholy is sticking for next tier.
Trust me, there are people who have almost 75 in two specs. I've been slacking on AP, but I've had people in my raid who have had 75 in their main spec for a while now.
Frost is going better for pvp Unholy has a better dmg output for long and movement Fights I don't like to play Unholy but at this time it makes more fun than Frost
New dual-spec system. You get to choose 2 out of your classes specs and put talent points in both to gain their abilities. Oh wait, that was possible up to cata... nvm
I think there is more to it then the numbers, for example 2p ToS + 4p T21 with belt+bracers. and from what I see most of the boss's are single target fights and I belive this Tier will make frost good for ST fights. And I disagree with you when you say unholy as more to look forward then frost, when you are limited with the Legendary Shoulder... while Frost can do at least 1 more combination, but if they nerfed 50% of the damage the tier was doing its because it was op as fuck, so a 50% nerf means it will still be good on frost tier. And everytime Blizzard makes one unholy set around death coil is crap. But guess we will have to see how it unveils. I'm a dedicated DK and I love both specs so w/e spec is best in toolkit/dps I play it, I just wish blizzard had more love for our mobility :D Good video keep going !
I will never trust a class stack sim, just because there are so many things to actually take into consideration when comparing classes that sims don't even come close to being accurate. Magdalena made a twitlonger about this a while back that had some good points in it about these sim comparisons.
Fábio Campelo, Unholy was a joke spec and it should stay like that. At least in PvE.. It was allways good in PvP. Aaaaaand since DKs now have 2 great dps specs and good tank spec it means DKs will suck ass in next exp. That's how Blizz works.. Every single class with 2 good specs in one ezp, was shit in next exp
Hyperion Gaming Got once 70 mil on pull. And its also retarded. To get 1 rank on logs you need awesome luck. Im sick of it. I could play wod dk - 100% skill and 0 rng.
Yeah getting rank 1 on farm is very difficult. I think that merits a whole video in itself, but long story short, parsing involves a lot of luck regarding procs and boss kill time. Yesterday we had an exactly 2 minute DI kill which meant that I only got 1 set of cooldonws at the start, fucking my damage. If you are a good player you should be able to consistently parse 95+ if thats what you are going for. Pushing the last 10-20 ranks is they difficult part that takes a lot of variables coming together for the parse.
This video was recorded prior to Antorus release. Now we pretty much know that frost is slightly ahead of unholy, especially on mythic. There are a few reasons for this, which I might discuss in a video in the future. Cheers!
the first time I started playing as an UH DK I could understand nothing about how to play properly, but after I got some help from another guy and got the hang of this spec I started to fkn enjoy it, it looked like a fucking piano at the beginning tho. And after I got a proper legendary (Tak'theritrix's Shoulderpads) it's gotten even better and joyful
Already got my 4set and I am outdpsing any frost dk as unholy. I don't know how you guys see it the other way around
I'll wait a month too see logs to decide, but for now i'll stick with unholy since my Weapon is like 9 traits higher than frost, and my UH gear is ahead of ny frost. I'm so going to miss ToS tier set for frost in m+, bosses die super fast at 50 stacks
I was secretly hoping for frost to lead the way, as i'm a little tired of Dark Arbiter. Would be nice if on a few bosses a Defile build could be used, i love that style. But i like Unholy and Frost about the same so i don't mind either way tbh. Thanks for the vid Hyper!
Yeah, I was kinda hoping that either there will be a few bosses where we need to use completely different build, or Frost would be better on certain bosses, just to shake up the monotony.
Mained frost all expansion but my guild changed to horde. Having already gotten curve and being bored of m+ I decided to just make a new dk instead of transferring. Leveled and geared as unholy for a change and enjoyed it to the point where I switched to it.
Nice, yeah unholy feels more rewarding to play when you get good procs
unholy is just more fun to play imo. frost is a little dull. ive been unholy since i made my dk and just cant get into frost. glad to see it doing well xD
Andrew Jonas I also still main unholy. I cannot get into the 2 button spec that is frost
I found this very insightful. Thanks for the video and have a great day.
If u r a casual u can pick frost, if u care about the main and stuff like that go for unholy......unholy has always been in the top group of the charts, frost was nerfed pretty badly and just got buffed in 7.3 or 7.2.5 which is later in the expac lol....unholy is complex but seriously rewarding, it overcomes lack of mobility and more defensive spells than frost
It has been back and forth actually at least if you are talking top tier
What is the name of this addon that shows the reset of the skills on the screen, and what shows the number of runes?
ElvUI/WeakAuras. Check my UI video for a complete list and profiles
Tier 20 Frost set > gives almost nothing , except some a little bit of str , a lot of boses have knockback in torus, Frost have immnune with pillar or frost , and frost have good sustain dmg , Tier 20 for UH gives a lot of burst dmg , and also a lot of movement in mythic tos , and with UH you not lot so much dps as frost.
In tier 21 most depends on fights, Unholy Lost he strong burst , but get better sustain , Frost get more valueble set , and have immune to knockbacks , whitch have like 5 or 6 bosses in torus.
For your UI what is the festering wound icon on the bottom left of your WA setup? ive watched this video and i see nothing actually occurs to that icon. and im trying to figure out what it is representing
It's a placeholder for when I have PP talented
recent raids require a lot of movements so it's always safe to play unholy
Good points but how does UH compete in cleave/AOE situations? Surely frost is stronger there. UH T21 is ST too.
Zade Rose Hale Unholy has the benefit of pretty much all of our abilities cleaving, the only issue is that our new set bonus is pure ST. On aoe frost might be comparable, but just the situational cleave UH will still be better imo
Is that one of Apocalypses appearances or another transmog? o.o
Yeah, I think it is a recolor of the Balance of Power ones.
for me i loved frost i play 2v2 and 1v1s on world pvp i did play unholy but it did not do thedamag and the heallingi wanted for legion pvp i am playing frost now on legion pservers
Hey! DeathNarak here, honestly I’d love for unholy to be better if they changed the build up a little bit (shadow ranged build could be cool with minimal melee uptime).
And if frost was better I’d be happy too.
Glad to see unholy is still king! But I don't like the tier set bonus. ToS army every 2 mins is amazing :)
I have some bad news for you. This was recorded pre antorus release haha. Frost is slightly better now, but UH is still pulling pretty good numbers so it's viable
Hyperion Gaming oh well. Thank you for replying :)
I wonder how it will play out once the 2-set for unholy being bugged and only proccing at ~50% of the tooltip is fixed.. Would you think this could put unholy back on top?
What a hell is this moonkin form?
Diniz Júnior just druid things
By the way hyper, this is arced from MLFA lol, would you mind going over UH Stat weights?
Hey, 25.14% haste (or 24.4% if u cant reach the other one) > Mastery > Crit > Vers > Haste
Hyperion Gaming hi, can u please help me, i looked up the web for any recommendations for antorus trinkets, but i didnt find anything :-(
Would you be so nice and tell me which trinkets would be BiS for frost dk? I would appreciate if you help me :) best wishes stefan
unholy for life
Dang. Yeah frost is quickly taking over as DKs get tier
Unholy is better even then
Hopefully unholy will stay Meta. Not that I dont like frost but I really dont wanna farm ap and legendarys on Frost :D I am set for Antorus
/sarcasm - Frost is clearly doing 100 more DPS on Unholy and is completely destroying it! Why would you ever use Unholy when Frost does a massive 100 extra dps!!! /sarcasm
They seem pretty even. High movement = Unholy, Tank and Spank = Frost. I like it. Unless you are doing Mythic raiding... then you use the spec your group decides will work best with that group/fight.
Overall, pick the one you like best, although Unholy does have more utility to it then Frost does.
They tried to make me play unholy.. Tried... :D
Well, there is a point where... "I don't like/enjoy this spec, it doesn't work for me and I will under perform with it instead of the other spec."
That was me with any Rogue spec other then Sub or playing as Arms Warrior. "I just... umm. No." was my answer most the time.
I wanted Frost to be competitive. I already hit 75 on my unholy im at 74 on my frost. Sadly with the changes looks like Unholy is sticking for next tier.
Uputz haha yeah no one is almost 75 on two weapons ur so full of urself
Trust me, there are people who have almost 75 in two specs. I've been slacking on AP, but I've had people in my raid who have had 75 in their main spec for a while now.
I wonder if the clawing shadows/defile build will be viable in this tier.
Rameus not really it's best to just stick with Unholy Frenzy and your regular Scourge strike
They always shit on Frost for raids .
You make me want to reroll :(
Blood best
Frost is going better for pvp Unholy has a better dmg output for long and movement Fights I don't like to play Unholy but at this time it makes more fun than Frost
sorry, i spent the whole vid nerding out about my invincible drop
unfrostly is the best spec.
New dual-spec system. You get to choose 2 out of your classes specs and put talent points in both to gain their abilities. Oh wait, that was possible up to cata... nvm
Hyperion Gaming I'd instantly jump back to my DK if I could combine Frost and UH into a petless frozen Plaguebringer of Obliteration. Gimme pls
ignore MMO champion multiple cases of faking blue posts.
I think there is more to it then the numbers, for example 2p ToS + 4p T21 with belt+bracers. and from what I see most of the boss's are single target fights and I belive this Tier will make frost good for ST fights. And I disagree with you when you say unholy as more to look forward then frost, when you are limited with the Legendary Shoulder... while Frost can do at least 1 more combination, but if they nerfed 50% of the damage the tier was doing its because it was op as fuck, so a 50% nerf means it will still be good on frost tier. And everytime Blizzard makes one unholy set around death coil is crap. But guess we will have to see how it unveils. I'm a dedicated DK and I love both specs so w/e spec is best in toolkit/dps I play it, I just wish blizzard had more love for our mobility :D
Good video keep going !
Frost forever
Both GG
frost and unholy are parsing the same
www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T21_Raid.html
This in no way means that they will actually perform the same in a real life setting. Trusting sims like that is a good way to get disappointed
seems like a case of the get goods
I will never trust a class stack sim, just because there are so many things to actually take into consideration when comparing classes that sims don't even come close to being accurate. Magdalena made a twitlonger about this a while back that had some good points in it about these sim comparisons.
I dont trust sims either. lol its hard to tell right now how things will be
Hyperion Gaming If Sims are unreliable, what's a good way to get an idea on how specs are performing compared to other specs? Thanks!
Blood
we all know unholy is the best
UNHOLY
unholy : pve / frost : pvp
Unholy always the best and more fun
Frost
Nope. Screw YOU.
Fábio Campelo, Unholy was a joke spec and it should stay like that. At least in PvE.. It was allways good in PvP. Aaaaaand since DKs now have 2 great dps specs and good tank spec it means DKs will suck ass in next exp. That's how Blizz works.. Every single class with 2 good specs in one ezp, was shit in next exp
so... fuck unholy
Nah Unholy>frost
Unholy is overall better
Bored of rng umholy.
Can be kind of annoying, but also getting a 40-50 mil DA feels pretty good lul
Hyperion Gaming Got once 70 mil on pull. And its also retarded. To get 1 rank on logs you need awesome luck. Im sick of it. I could play wod dk - 100% skill and 0 rng.
Yeah getting rank 1 on farm is very difficult. I think that merits a whole video in itself, but long story short, parsing involves a lot of luck regarding procs and boss kill time. Yesterday we had an exactly 2 minute DI kill which meant that I only got 1 set of cooldonws at the start, fucking my damage. If you are a good player you should be able to consistently parse 95+ if thats what you are going for. Pushing the last 10-20 ranks is they difficult part that takes a lot of variables coming together for the parse.
Hyperion Gaming What's DA?
Dark Arbiters.
Unholy