Roasting - "Alchemy!" Well no.. Gold Smelting, Melting, Roasting, Cupelling. Part 2
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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Alchemy!? Well no. I have not yet been able to turn lead into gold. Although the Cupel process sure looks like it. This video series is all about melting, smelting, cupelling, roasting, and fire assays. Equipment, chemicals, processes and flux will all be covered. I will be learning right from the basics so this series should be a good way for the armature gold prospector to learn. I will be using the KK8 and Kwik Kiln 2 smelting and cupelling furnaces provided to me from "911 Metallurgist" and "Gold Processing Kilns" Both links below.
This video is all about roasting gold ore. Heating up sulphides or pyrites hot enough to drive off the sulphur and change the sulfide into a oxide.
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I hope everyone is learning what not to do when haphazardly throwing chemicals together on top of a kiln in a pan not designed to take those kinda temps. I'm sure your neighbors were thrilled to be getting gassed though. Lol!!! This is entertaining though.
Your father is a very cool character as well as you. Love all your videos. I have learned a lot of things from you in the past, and I have been waiting a while for someone to make a video on this series you have going. Would love to meet you and your dad one day. Peace
Great content professor. Very interesting video. Big shout out to Dad for being such a great Dad, big hello to Mrs. Dan, love the painted toe nails honey, and an especially big "atta boy" for Dan jr. who got those leaves raked, while crazy Dad and Grandpa did their alchemy magic to the delight of all 10,000 of us.
Born and raised in Yellowknife NWT, used to pass the gold mine every weekend for camping. Will always remember the smell of the roasters. Thanks for another informative video.
I bet your neighbors think you guys are mad scientist!
I enjoy your "Well, Hello Everyone". Good video as always
Another excellent episode! Congrats on 10K subs!
Hey Dan .. would like to say Congratulations on 10k+ subscribers...Well done!!
Thanks
Maybe you should devise a contraption that captures the sulfur
Arnþór Gíslason finally! Someone who thinks like me and has health safety of yourself and others in mind! I’ve been sketching up a contraption to extract and trap harmful fumes of leaching, roasting and smelting and am extremely shocked at the lack of concern youtube wide for these very dangerous procedures. At least if they don’t care about their own health they should be concerned of others/environment. The neighbor child is standing there raking leaves for crying out loud! How is “not going to breath any of this smoke” those fumes and toxins become invisible...how do you track where they go??? How does he know they didn’t go straight into that little boys lungs. How wreckless.
Very helpful. THANKS FELLA'S !
Gold to Ya !
I think it's "Burro Schmitt". Lode...lol...haha *old prospector*
Last video I did see the huge chunk of flux roll down the side of the crucible.. then I saw the kiln lid getting put back on.. I screamed Yooo! Guys!! take it out!! Thennn...I realized you obviously couldn't hear me... but overall for ya'll it is a learning process and I am also seeing the Date of when this was made lol so.. fairly confident someone made that statement... 😳😊😄
Looks like some nice ore there!
Be careful with those arsenic bearing ores though, as they can contain nearly half arsenic by weight (46% for FeAsS - arsenopyrite), which volatilizes off and reacts to form some very nasty and quite deadly fumes. If proper forced ventilation and elevated and/or scrubbed exhaust can not be set up, a full-face respirator with cartridges specifically designed for arsenic should be used by anyone within the vicinity of the fumes. The sulfur compounds aren't nearly as nasty, but they do form sulfuric acid on contact with moisture and will corrode anything in the path of the fumes quickly. Exploring a wet chemistry , electrochemical, or bioleaching protocol may prove both safer and more efficient for your refractory ores in bulk, but the exact protocol is highly ore dependent, which is one of the drawbacks vs. roasting.
Agree the energy consumed vs return does not get feasible until your into tons of material. Great old timers example kids don't roast rocks in mom;s oven!
Chris hello, I have assay's saying my ore has gold, pyrite's, arsenic. I tried this and got no button, but alot of tiny gold colored specks in my slag. Does the pyrite gold color burn up? Are the specks I see in my slag the gold and I needed to use a collector?
10k!!!!!!! Congrats!!!⚒
The amount of smoke coming off those sulphides is unbelievable 😂
Haz....Matt seen my book....
But that hydroponic terff Shure does wonders there....lol.....
G,day Dan, Could you tell me what is the stick your dad is stirring the ore with plz? cheers
Carbon rod. Same stuff carbon crucibles are made from.
Dan, does that burn away any silver or collect it, Platinum collects?
Does the pyrite gold color burn up during the smelt? I tried this and got no button, but alot of tiny specks[gold in color] in my slag. Are these specks gold and I need to use a collector?
The old man should have safety glasses on...😎
What is the stir stick - graphite or metal?
if you were to capture the smoke and buble it through water you might just get h2 so4 or sulfuric acid.
I was actually thinking about this. Scrubbing out sulfur dioxide isn't difficult and is done industrially all the time. React it with limewater and you have harmless calcium sulfate.
Came to check the comments and see how many members of the "safety police" were here to scold you on how unsafe you appear to be...... I wasn't disappointed.
"Blah blah mask... Blah blah glasses.... Blah blah gloves... Blah blah poisonous gas!"
The neighbor kid was curious as to what you guys were doing!
I would not be doing the roasting without a full industrial or military grade respirator or gas mask with specific filters. IIRC, the type of mask/filters you are using are not safe against the vapors coming off the ore.
It is not a safe thing to heat black sand inside as there could have mercury and its vapors are deadly also.
Because it don't get hott enough....to call it a smelt
I was about to say you should have 3 points of contact for the pan, but I didn't need to comment. :D
Ok Dan I’ve got a question for you with pyrite being abundant in we’re you can find it. Does there mean there can be gold with it for example like a state like Kentucky that doesn’t have the geological makeup to produce gold.
That lil kid gonna be raking them leafs, next thing you see him fall out from all that gas blowing his way. Make that kid put a mask on Dan
I found a vein that gives 0.1gram of free mill gold per 5 gallon bucket. How much gold I'll get if I use smelting process?
No way to tell as some veins have 100% of their gold free milled. Some have lots locked up in sulfides. .1 in a 5 gallon bucket I would consider quite rich.
@@Danhurd I hand picked best samples only from vein, the problem is with crushing it. The KnM crusher I bought annoyed me from constantly clogging the mech eventually it broke down, destroyed bearings fast. I'm planning to give a second try. So have to process like 45 buckets of ore just to get 4.5 gram gold? Not sure if it makes sense to do it. Maybe smelting might help to recover more...
@@vahagnmelikyan2906 It would be worth a shot to see if smelting would help.
It's on the Nicole ore uoop
You know it would be much better to do a dry distillation and run the sulfur di and tri oxides through water or into a large vat to crystallize.
ok who on earth taught you how to do this?
I would say if you're going to smelt, then you should at least invest in a filtered ventilation hood, possibly even a small wet scrubber.
great stuff!
Thanks!
It takes a long time to do this kind of stuff
My cons have sulfur, prevents SMB from working. Will this process work? Cons in AR warm, increments nitric and HCl till no reaction, filter, rinse, back into pot hot to denox add HCl twice then water, stir in zinc, filter precip, rinse, dry then take precip put in hot HCl 24 hrs, filter rinse real good, then put precip into nitric/water hot 24 hrs filter and melt with oxy/acet torch. Not worried about silver loss, I am after the gold and pgm's. Zinc drops all metals, then HCl soak and Nitric/water soak to remove all junk metals, but gold and pgm's. Is this process correct? Does the zinc grab all the metals in the AR, then HCl and nitric/water remove the junk metals leaving AU,Pd,Pt&Rh? I was told the hot nitric/water will remove my palladium.
Hi Dan....excellent video!!...congrats!...you should be more active on it!...
I had one of those masks
Hey Dan thanks go out to you and your dad. I sent a sample off to a assayer, yes gold and iron sulfides, but wouldnt tell me what process or flux to use. I have been going crazy trying to figure it out. I rock crush, gold cube, ball mill, roast. my roasted stuff has a red tint to it. Before i was told to add salt and roast at 1,100 degree. Found not correct, salt turns to sodium chloride and helps burn off fine gold. So now just roasting nothing added, at 400-500 for about 3 hours till no sulfur smell. I bought retort, so going to try ball mill and mercury. I tried chapman flux, gold kept hanging up in the slag. So now trying Legend assay flux,with lead? Any input on this all would be greatly appreciated teacher. Thanks again for roasting video.
I would say stay away from the mercury. Instead use a flux with lead and cupel afterwards.
I tried so many smelts and nothing but iron matte with gold color in it. I am going to try your flux recipe you just used. how do I stop the iron matte? Will the lead pull the gold down through and no iron in the lead?
It should. We have only seen the iron matte once, and that is when we did things quite wrong. With unroasted ore.
I noticed your temp's was 900 & 1,000 celcius. Isn't 1,650 & 1,850 low. I thought 1,950 and up? Also you pre-heated crucible. A reason for this? You used clay crucible's. I have graphite. Is there a difference?
2 mines untouched for past 20 years. Where the ore carts came up head frame and dumped ore into truck's. Under is mound of built up powder. Stained yellow[sulfur]. Yes sulfides and probably gold. I dug to the bottom its damp. Is it true the sulfides naturally roast and lets say converts to gold?
Oh yah I was supposed to lye it
I never thought I'd see you roasting rat poo lol! Congrats on 10k!
Who's car has lots of sulfur in it ....the tow....and the law....
Have you guys ever roasted galena to an oxide?
Of mind....lol.... silently though ...
So...at some point did you break out the marshmallows and have a snack?
A lot of that smoke is coming from the metal the pan is made from, and maybe the coating on the pan. Cast iron works a lot better for roasting sulfides. I think you can oxidize using 30% or higher hydrogen peroxide as well, but propane method is definitely cheaper. 👍👍
Neighbors go by and think your cooking meth....lol
What the flux?!? There goes the ozone layer....
Mmm yellow funes
Hey Dan, my name is Aaron. What state are you actually from the? Do you have any family ever lived in huchsin in Kansas? We might be related. If you ever heard of, Arlan Hurd there Many more names that can tell you, but I can't tell you on line.
I haven't got that
"Hey, what do you call that place where you get all that pretty metal?" MINE!
What about the pann
Great stuff :) Hope you washed your hands after touching that poop XD
Smother state .....maybe....?**?
congrats on adding to the acid rain problem …. just kidding
When you roast gold is it becoming Gold(III) oxide?
The gold itself is not reacting, it is some of the other metals that are in the form of sulphides.
Kobalt or tungsten...ish......but platey
It's Burro shimitt
Verry copper
sounded like the lady shut you down.
Right jallusgean
Something else is happening here. The smoke should be blue. And be finished quicker than that. Like you said there could be different sulfides in there.
What does blue smoke mean?
Maybe a lot of that smoke is coming from the metal in the pan itself?
4:31...who is raking the leaves?
My son - then we got him to leave.
@@Danhurd Like a tree.
I meen red
Read cloud
Teach your son safety. Were the gloves to...and the safety glasses....
Looks like you're roasting the pan
Not this time!
Very interesting but you're wife is gonna be some passed off when she sees her frying pan!
When doing my roasting, my ore "pops", what gives ? Thanks
Most likely has water trapped inside of it.
Is it finely crushed
First question being that my father was a firefighter for 36 years... where is your fire extinguisher?
When I did this kind of stuff I had a lot of complaints from the neighbors
Haha
Nitric
Dan, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you have to get a good amount of gold before you smelt. You're a good dude Dan, so don't take this the wrong way, it's mere constructive criticism. There are guys who smelt tens of ounces per week in the Yukon. Why would we listen to a guy who gets mere grams per week when it comes to tips? You just learned to smelt, and you're trying to tell everyone how to smelt. Think about it Dan. You just got your amelter and you're telling everyone how to do it. I'd want to listen and take tips from the guy whos been smelting for years and years and smelts hundreds of ounces. I don't know about listening to the guy who just bought his smelter. Dan, go get some tips from professional smelters who've been doing it for years before you tell us how to do it. Seriously.
Thanks for your feedback
Jay hello, I don't know anything about smelting. I sent some ore off to be assayed, they said Ag,Au,Pd,Pt,Rh&Ru, sulfur, arsenic and sulfides. I tried this way of smelting and got no button, but alot of gold colored specks in the slag. Did the pyrites burn up during the smelt and the gold colored specks is this my gold and I should have used a collector? Thank's
Boo flipping hoo