Season of Discovery First Gameplay Footage | *NEW* Rune System, Raiding At LvL 25?!!
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- Season of Discovery First Gameplay Footage | NEW Rune System, First Look At The lvl 25 Raid
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I have a lot of thoughts on this, I won’t be able to talk about it fully until I get back from BlizzCon, but in the meantime check out my streams at twitch.tv/esfandtv !
hope this new wow be epic for some of us. XD
I really like the idea of level cap. It lets you explore and play more on low levels instead of just rush to 60.
No one is forced to rush to 60 though. You can explore the world already without this gatekeeping.
@@mattgee4867 but this way it unites (even though forcefully) the playerbase. So less people would feel being left behind.
Also, it naturally shakenes up the meta, which is always good
@@mattgee4867 it's always a race to 60 in every fresh and then farm gear. We need to change that so it's just not the usual stuff.
@@grinm1899 dunno, I'm not really looking forward to raiding bfd for weeks until the next level cap unlocks.
@@mattgee4867 fair enough. I don't really see myself farming classic raids too
I love the level cap idea of 25, 40, 50 and 60. World pvp going to be fun af at 25
gonna be a shite show in ashenvale, being connected to this dungeon
The "rune" system is extremely similar to Ascension WoW mystic enchant system. Nice to see Blizz going back to their roots of copying good systems
Yeah my first thought too
It's nothing alike - that's random, this one is thematic.
Isn’t Ascension very similar to something else though?
ppl like you will always find something to complain and bitch about for the rest of your life, making your opinion irrelevant
@@_stefan7589 wdym the random enchant system from ascension is exactly that. you choose diff enchants on ur gear and alter/gain abilities just like they do in Som2. doesnt rly stop with the rune system they introduce here, mages being able to heal and other dpsers being able to tank comes pretty close to ascension
Season of discovery is quite promising, I'm coming around to the idea of slow and gradual changes to vanilla to eventually give us something adjacent to Classic+
If we can get a voting system, it’ll be the biggest win the community and blizzard could have. It’s just all around a win win!
It will turn into Classic RuneScape
This is classic+
@@arthurhyatt8964 Yeah but people were more in line to seeing something like turtle wow. I get both sides of the argument. Whether you view it as classic + in itself of a precursor to more things added, overall, I don’t think people should judge too hastily. I bet it will be good fun once servers go live and they increase the cap and allow more changes to be seen! Anyone know if they released a release date on the new season? I didn’t watch the reveal too closely. Had it on in background while leveling on HC. Cheers y’all!
Being that they teased Kara Crypts raid, it's definitely gonna get some totally new stuff as opposed to only dungeons reimagined as raids.
Would rather spend 2 hours inside a challeging dungeon then 2 hours doing dailies
Did you really link the word challenging with classic
@@paneoce not with classic, with vanilla. I get the vanilla experience was different because we didnt know the game and it felt more challenging. After years playing this I understand we now go through classic like butter, congratulations.
My point is, it was way better when it felt harder.
The worst part is deciding what to play. So many fun specs to try now
As a long-time Ret main I was dreaming of Crus Strike and other abilities in Vanilla. Can't believe its finally happening... HYPE
Honestly i'm just so happy we're actually getting Classic+ in one form or another. This is what we always wanted and you guys made it happen. I'm so proud of this community.
Im happy theyre taking these steps and will definitely be trying it out.
Holy crap are we going to have fun with this stuff - Its going to be like a 2005 PVP bonanza!!
Its not a classic+ but its like a first step towards it, they wanna get peoples feel and see what changes would be good. I like it!
Hope so my friend, miss the community and slow paced dungorns where cc was needed.
if this is not classic+, then what is classic+ to you? what do you want out of it?
@@morkanz6998nobody cc in classic either, people are too good at the game these days
It's more like they're doing the bare minimum. Ffs they are ripping off features from a WoW private server
this is basically Ascension WoW, great community driven system. But not Classic+@@Ethanasia
The scond bracket whether 35 or 40 better give us a scarlet monastery raid. Could you imagine how badass that would be
yeah and I love there is no huge focus on gear, people can just jump right in.
Shadowfang keep raid dude
It does 25,40,50, then 60, alrdy been confirmed the level brackets
It looks neat. Though it does kinda push it to feel more like retail. Like things like a taunt, crusader strike, martyrdom seal all look like great changes which fit the classic theme. with crusader strike just giving ret a new button to press, martyrdom supplying a support effect through mana regen to help teammates and the taunt which should be pretty baseline for tanks . But when you start to get to stuff like rebuke and beacon it does start getting to the point where classes just start getting everything and the uniqueness of classes start fading away
Blizzard finally stealing ideas from private servers i love it
Getting excited for features that have been in the modern game for over 12 years is wild lol. This is what modern gaming is.
This is really their first attempt at Classic+. I hope everyone gives it a try to show blizzard that we support fresh classic content
I think it’s about time they make some horizontal content for classic. Excited to see what blizzard learns from this and how it grows.
I think season of Discovery is clearly a test bed. It's meant to gauge interest in Classic+, and also I bet it's meant to test if certain changes are changing the game too much from what makes it "classic"
I'm positive about this honestly. It is not what I had hoped, but that's ok. It's in the same vein and on the face of it, it seems like a test that's going to get us to where we want to go, which is full fledged Classic+.
yes and i dont understand the haters just let them cook
Whilst I do support classic plus content, I cannot, in good conscience, support blizzard anymore
I feel like the main purpose of this season is to give the players something to do for 3-12 months (like official hc has) and build up hype so that the devs can have more time to make the actual classic+ undisturbed. And I'm not saying it is a bad thing.
This video doesn't yet reveal the full extent of what there is to be discovered, but let's hope for more horizontal content. It's probably not going to involve anything that takes actual effort to make (as in actually new and not borrowed content from expansions), such as zones and dungeons that would take artists weeks/months to make from scratch; With the amount of time they had to make this season, if they use assets that already exist they can put more stuff in, as copy&paste with some alterations is so much easier and faster to do than something genuinely new and gives us more for less in a 3-12 month life cycle season like this. So, I am expecting to see the same old world, no new mines or new mine layouts, no new bridges and roads, no new villages and definitely no new house designs, no new mountain passes that lead to a new zone. Not yet, at least.
I personally would love to be able to painstakingly level up a character of non-vanilla race to max level through hard quests and challenging zones that I haven't done before, but I understand the truth to be that the amount of resources it would take to develop new content for that entire journey is not something they likely had for this season. For comparison's sake, vanilla took years (3-5?) to make and had a team of... 40 towards the end? I am hoping that any work towards classic+ will have at least that kind of resources at their disposal. At least a year of development time so it's actually going to have new and original content, not just hastily made changes to some numbers in the database, and a big enough a content development team that we will have new zones/continents to explore.
I genuinely with all my heart wish WoW (classic and retail) all had horizontal progression instead of vertical.
It makes the game feel sooooo much bigger.
Paladin looks like so much fun! AOE damage 😮 Great support spells, & Paladins look like beast tanks! Let’s go
It's so strange because it feels like what the players asked for was simpler that redesigning and rebalancing every spec. They wanted more content while leveling and more things to do end game as well. They wanted more dungeons, not changing a dungeon to a raid for example.
This seems way more fun than season of mastery, but not what we all hoped for either.
yeah mate, but for the first time in a very long time, their new content has actually gotten me excited to jump back in. I dont count vanilla classic cuz that was re used content xD
what new content all i see is upscaled dungeons? @@pedroj3432
Its exactly what ppl wanted: updated classes, content in classic and slow pace, i really don t understand why alot of players complain. It will be mental... full time metamorph lock tank cmon its so thematic
anyone complaining has the brain of a chipmunk.. people will cry over everything nowadays. Probably asmon viewers most of them.
fr man im so pumped its what i wanted the world of vanilla with new changes and content! Im excited for SM raid and Kara Crypt raid lol
I want new content that maintains the feel of classic. I don’t want new content with the feel of wotlk. Seeing a pally tank out dps everyone is a hard pass for me. HARD pass.
I can’t wait to play this HOLY SHIT!
Blizzard knows seasons for classic is a gold mine. Every single classic player will play seasons. And classic recently has blown up once again.
Looks pretty fun, only thing I don't like is the use of the MoP demon form for warlocks. They should use the old gray dreadlord model instead, the MoP model looks out of palce.
MoP demon form? This meta was introduced in Wotlk dude.
@@balazsaradi Looks crazy out of place, but makes sense, thats when they laid the ground work for the change in artstyle.
@@vergil8833 Demon form was in wotlk too but you are right. Warlocks are strong enough already. They don't need or deserve anything new. Hopefully there is a pvp balance update in classic+.
@@zafer5491 I want them to have this ability, I just wish they had used the similar vanilla model that exists.
I'm not a big classic player, but all those stuff made me so excited to play
As a paladin player I really hope they have seal swapping. That was really fun in TBC I love to hear exorcism is castable on players. We'll see how they execute though but will give this a go
A couple devs were asking me about seal twisting outside of the con, we’ll see where it goes
Sounds good bud keep up the good content!
1. you dont even know it was twisting not swapping 2. it sucked ass, was obnoxious af.
Seal twisting will come at the cost of Crusader Strike seal procs.
@@EsfandTV Seal twisting is one of the most unique and coolest thing Retributions ever had. In SoD with all the new crazy builds and runes options. It makes little sense for them not adding twisting as a build option for paladins who want to do it.
This Rune system... seems like some devs played project ascension ^^
little does esfand know he single handedly just nerfed paladins before the game ever came out
I'm actually excited for this. I will be back November 30th for SoD!
DUDE THATS AWESOME. I have many things to try and see. I hope we will get original Karazhan as intented at first back in 2004, the gigantic tower with its crypts and other parts. Im so excited and thank you for showing the first look Esfand, I love you ❤
They teased a pic of kara at the end of the classic deep dive :3
@@TheMorninGlory23 Well, later I have watched and now I have the hope. I grew up with this game and I am emotionally attached. I have the hope that Blizzard will not fail us and give what we desire as the community.
Nice to see Blizzard learning from both Ascension and Twow, we need more of that.
After watching the panel that expanded on what Esfand was playing here, consider me hyped. Looking like ACTUAL Classic+ with the Karazhan Crypts tease.
Scarlet Crusade raid is gonna hit different same with Crypts one lol
inspired by project ascension for sure, nice one blizz ^^
I'm conflicted about this. In one hand it's great seeing new content being added and classes having some spells they need like pala taunt. On the other hand the game got worse over the years as all the classes could do everything (kick, taunt, stun, health restore, etc) and a part of made classic so good was that all classes felt very different from each other.
I feel like yes they should add spells and tweak a few things but from looking at this it might of gone too far? Like Esfand says it kind of looks like a beta so hopefully Blizz will take feedback onboard as they develop.
Yes I think so too. They went too far. Now every Healer is a Group Healer and some Classes get an Interupt. Mage is a Healer even tho they dont have the Talent Tree for it. A lot more Aoe and less going oom. Taunts for Paladins or something like a Watershield for Shamans is great and the Raid and Levelcap is fine too. Dislike also that you have to do a Quest to get the runes and they are unpredictable in PvP because you never know what runes they have. Would have prefered new Talent Trees or something like that.
This time around I’ll be rolling paladin. I’m counting on YOU Esfand to provide the way of the light. Very excited for this game. I won’t call it vanilla however, it feels like our favorite world and classes that have new possibilities to make sure everyone has something they can play and enjoy with out all the million expansions. Something huge for our classic world. I’m so excited to test this out with everyone on the 30th
I love the warlock perm metamorphosis
So they ripped Ascension for ripping them. Fair play ig.
This isnt even close to ascension, are you high?
I didnt take a deep dive into these and kinda wrote off SoD, but after looking into it, It looks like itll be great !
22:48 i can almost hear PETRI PETRI PETRI from how much hardcore degenerated my brain :D
He’s over here typing pally tanks and I’m just stoked to be a viable ret pally!
If season of discovery is gonna be this good they better have a turning point for retail.
Rofl classic with retail skills, that's the spirit 😂
Esfand played this the day before and still came off excited
I'm not even worried about DPSs so much, just excited to see how viable ret paladin is and how much fun it looks overall. I don't play WoW much anymore but with the 25 cap this seems approachable for the casual dad-gamer.
HAHAHA 4:45 "This guy looks like he blows the horn of Lordaeron" fucking killed me 😂😂😭😭
Im so pumped to see the entire BRM as a 40 man raid. Im calling that one rn
12:45 that tantrum though hahaha
I mean I’d try it but I prefer the holy trinity combat system.
I’m not a fan of mages tanking/healing it just doesn’t make much sense.
Yeah, I of course don't know much yet. But it SEEMS to be already way over the top from what I hoped for. It's not some changes to the core game its like something completely different. Ascension is some fun here and there but I rather would have had classic with SOME changes to make hybrids more viable and not a complete revamp of classes. I actually feel like this is going the wrong direction, but time will tell..
Never was a fan of things like that either. Like if you're a mage you're suppose to do damage but you're squishy. That's the point.
But they're trying something different and in my opinion, it's better than nothing.
Everyone is saying like " yeah they don't take any risks blabla ".
Not a fan of the system, but I'm like Savix. Pretty optimistic.
Well currently it’s just a season of discovery which will last for a few months and be deleted so it’s not a huge problem. Gives them a chance to test out skills which could be included in classic plus.
Tweaking talent trees and a few skill adjustments would have made the majority a lot more happier though.
That is the holy trinity still... just cause it's a new class doesn't mean it's still not tank/heal/dps ????
Says who?
@@raviel498
This is classic+ plain and simple. Idk how people are saying it's not. Were you expecting them to call it "Classic +"?
Some people want Old school Runescape way. Expanding on classic not changing core of game. How much depends on person. For example healing mages can change class identity. I'm not starting argue with You just trying to answer the question.
People still want slower gameplay with some balance so some specs can be little bit better,no1 wanted this,this is to much for classic content,no1 wants to press 10 buttons rotation, that's why classic is popular even today after 20 years. I don't think people wanted spells from wotlk or cata. And new content doesn't mean convert dungeon that already exists into raid, I think if they just rebalanced some unplayable specs and give people Karazan,a lot of them will be happy
funny thing snutz say hey this look like retail and i kinda agree whit him on the gameplay @@aleksadmitrovic940
there will be balancing for sure man I hate to say it but we are essentially gonna be like beta testers of the actual classic + that we want lol. Either way it will be enjoyable because it will be vanilla but with an unresolved meta@@aleksadmitrovic940
its not
Imagine the damage if he used consecration, he literally had a time for 1 more spell in his rotation during other spells cooldowns, he doesn’t even have it on spellbars :D
Paladin tanks can still be crushed and crit at level 25. A paladin that invests in the full defensive line of runes will be auto attacking, so Divine Storm, Hand of Reckoning, and Exorcism is probably the best setup. Warriors can also be crushed and crit, so we'll see how dual wield devastate works before I judge them as they really don't get new defensives other than Tclap in d-stance. Bears made out much better; they'll take 20% less damage than current bears and will never be crit, and with a windfury/mangle cat druid in the raid they will be able to stack lacerate on a mangled target, and may still be able to farm MCPs with help. Bears are looking really good.
glad to see them going for a tweaked classic, though i gotta say i'm a bit worried that it's going to feel a lot like retail where it feels like every class can fill every role and it hardly matters for group and raid comps, and also the loss of more rock/paper/scissors when it comes to pvp
@@highguycomics3869 season of discovery is literally beta for classic+
Blizzard wants feedback, it’s the entire point of it
Women don’t like idiots that make meaningless comments and can’t understand what the hell is going on
@@highguycomics3869damn that comment was so cool dude. This guy fucks.
Looks promising, not perfect, but a lot better than I dared hope for. What remains to be seen is where the generic difficulty level of the season will be in terms of game numbers. Are non-elite world enemies going to be pink misted in two seconds of solo combat, or will the fights last as long as they do in classic vanilla - is the tbc/wotlk power creep there in those numbers with no enemy hp/difficulty adjustments? A big plus for opening up raid content prior to max level.
They added some abilities from original WoW beta that they removed from the Vanilla Release. Season of Discovery is for sure a BETA for CLASSIC +. They can try whatever they want and test it and at the end they will add what it works to the permanent Classic + Version.
The new seal is so fucking good for tanks, near infinite mana for casters + you get cleave with decent damage without mana issues. All within a single seal. This is crazy.
If a OTK tourney isnt done during Classic Discovery I will riot. Imagine the builds
Absolutely
season of discovery sounds insane!!! i can't wait to try it out!
Looks fun, but somehow I don't take it serious. Will 100% try it.
wow. They're importing Wrath level skill changes. quite interesting. I'm intrigued, I may play vanilla for the first time in a long time.
SOD is gonna rule, servers gonna be LIVE. I'm psyched to pvp at every level cap
Ashenvale pvp gonna be a mad house but epic lol
Ret finally gets buttons to press and sfand says he feels “spoiled” lmfao
The jumping puzzle boss genuinely looks like one of the best raid encounters in all of classic lol
Thanks for the video. It sounded good at the presentation but it looks kinda cheesy. I don't see it being more popular than classic cata.
Esfand doing Calculus up in here!
I never cry laughed so hard at someone failing to do the BFD jumps like he did
Excellent video! I'm excited for the future of wow!
this is EPIC. the first boss had my DYING in laughter.
Can't wait for the inevitable level 40 cap with Scarlet Monastery as the raid. I'll take all the Scarlet Crusade I can get.
Wow Classic - Season Of Disc Recovery
Maybe seal twisting could be a rune? Changing seals keeps the previous seal for 10 seconds, or something like that.
Ret is BACK BABY. my wife is going to be playing feral and bringing that windfury and I'm just going to absolutely melt people. Low key no one is talking about the fact avengers shield doesn't say it requires a shield so ret has a slow as well. Huuuuuge change.
This looks like a shitshow, not anywhere near classic anymore. Literally retail at 25...
Between this, warrior, or lock…feel like going melee is the way to go for SoD
What are they thinking giving Divine Storm AND Crusader Strike to Palas at lvl 25? Theyre just back to being WotLK Pala's again... Same mistake as when Wrath launched.
I hope they give us more than Crusader strike, but taunt, and CS, on top of the other changes. Once amidrassil dies down I might actually try this.
Ok. HOLY F**K!!! a runes givse us divine Storm???? Hell yes i'm going to give this a try. This is what i've been fecking waiting for!!
While I never played Paladin, this has me thinking I might be playing WoW again for the first time in ages.
This was great, thanks for the video cause I've missed a lot of Blizzcon!
Druid is going to be insane.
Blizzard made every wotlk ret paladin's vanilla recall wet dream come true.
I was listening to this while hitting some bench press and "this guy looks like he blows the horn of lordaeron" almost sent me to hospital
First that I heard Seal of Matyrer would be in the game I was instantly hooked. Not able to seal twist is a little bit of a downer, maybe they think about to implement after the first part (lvl 25 cap)... Ret in TBC was so unique to play.
Agreed i fell in love with seal twisting in BC and was dissapointed in wrath when it wasnt viable due to pally gameplay changes and have been craving for it to be back hopefully with feed back they will add it back as an option
You got CS on a 4 sec CD that proc seals instead.
This looks so good, you can tweek the classes as you want , you dont have to play that boring meta .
It looks like this season is an experiment on how they might do a classic +, but from the looks of things, it's a mashing of TBC, Wrath and Retail for gameplay and boss design, with the older loot system.
It's kind of worrying that a single boss has more mechanics than the entirety of molten core combined, and the classes feel off.
Basically gears where oiled when they only needed to be spit shinned, while other parts that could use touch ups, 5 min blessings for example, weren't touched.
I'm worried they'll kill of the casual and social crowd with these changes, especially if 25 is max level. Classic raids are 20-40 man, calling a 10 man that feels out of place and out of touch, like they don't understand the different aspects that make Classic what it is, which is the most worrying part.
Everybody knew that before, didnt u know?
Buddy. They LITERALLY ANNOUNCED THAT 25 WAS NOT MAX LEVEL. Fuck me this is actually insane. They said they would be raising the level after a few months... it's a testing ground for changes so of course they're going to go wild and see what sticks. If you want this to work, get on it, play it, and provide feedback with people to influence its direction. But don't just post blatantly ignorant shit day -1.
Yea personally I don't think this is the right direction for classic+ personally. Rune system will get complicated very quickly very fast when incorporating proc item effects, buffs, consumables, talents, abilities. I would prefer smaller scale changes like just having items with special effects like the katana that dropped. It will interesting to play with nonetheless
Its important to point out that they start at 25 with "pre raid" Bis. on release you will level and get good gear from quests ect. The cool thing is that the meta wont be solved on release like normal 60 servers are
Wouldn't a casual crowd like 10 man raids way more? Doesn't seem like it's pushing them away with anything shown here. In fact this seems way more casual friendly than classic.
I hope they dont go too far though, they are adding alot of later expansion stuff to Classic
This really seems like a testing ground for classic+
so fucking pumped to try this out, i wanted some wacky shit and they made everything wacky. IM IN
I hope they'll revive the elemental damage like fire/frost/shadow that appear on some items but never again in later itemization!
Warlock melee was also one of my wish because you get something to enchant your weapons to do fire damage on melee... which was a cool idea!
Ret/ Prot pala for classic SoD! Lets goooo
Hybrid class could make parties complicated in contrast to designated class that performs best for their roles.
im excited, like a newborn relearning things and with how my team will synergize.
it does offer a dynamic and in-depth gameplay variety and gives importance to individuality. seems(?) beneficial for small parties or solo?
I only hope that there’s a challenge to getting the runes. Being able to have 4 new amazing abilities at 25 seems a little too easy. Should be able to unlock one rune slot per 25,40,60
OMG I can't wait for this!!
instant attacks and spells should reset the swing timer
7:21 It would be fair considering how long vanilla ret paladins were underpowered.
LMAO... that looked so fun, especially paladins being FINALLY good!
I cannot wait.
Having the level cap be 25 has some issues.
Were gonna get capped within 3-5 days and be stuck at 25 for 10 days doing what? BFD is just one raid that takes maybe an hour to do twice a week. I'm gonna do it maybe once and then stop because the gear is too temporary to invest a lot of time into.
I'll probably just level alts.
Another cool idea is instead of a level cap. They make the exp curve drastically increase. So like if lv25 took 64,000 exp to get to, lv26 would take 300,000 exp then lv27 takes 450,000 and it keeps going up by 50% each level. This means deterministic players can still grind exp and level but the majority will still be stuck in their mid 20s. But once the cap changes the levels 25-30 become normal values, people with over the exp required will just have 99% of a level going from 50% to 99% overnight.
This also means all the stuff you do at 25 grinding BFD will be put towards getting lv26 once the cap changes.
Just added a bunch of wotlk spells in, thats it? doesnt feel like they fit in very well with classic
I can't wait to be a rogue healer
Lol
Season of discovery just made all the warriors split into rolling paladins. Cant wait to have to deal with "we already have a pally tank" ffs
PLEASE add a rune for increased paladin buff duration
i just want wow with no pay to win, Dark portal level 58 boost ruined TBC for me. wish theyd do a fresh turtle wow style server. No pay to win, no Dark portal passes
So, lots of streamers seem to be saying runes will be able to be easy gear swapped out of combat to "change spec" mid-fight... I really kinda hope this isn't true b/c you will then have players wanting their BIS items 2-3x for easy rune swapping use while not having to drop to mediocre gear. Do we know for sure if this is possible? no vids from Blizzcon seem to check that i've seen. Another thing idk about is if things like talents will def stay completely unchanged... part of me likes no change, but another big part says with the rune changes, some talent changes make sense, but it's very possible considering no PTR b/c they want a fresh day 1 experience, that they wouldn't drop things early to us like talents to be able to figure out and try to theory craft before every playing the game.