Pantheism in Hinduism, Daoism and Buddhism
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Are Eastern Religions Pantheistic? Is Eastern Pantheism even a thing? Tracing a Theological trajectory through Myth, Mantra and Metaphysics to demonstrate the presence of Pantheistic (and Panentheistic) thought, the belief that identifies God with the Universe, in Hinduism, Daoism and Buddhism.
Join us, as we seek unity, sacrality and divinity in the trembling, thunderous dance of Shiva, in the wise, patient, silent presence of the Dao, in the vast, empty, compassionate embrace of the Buddha. In the Om, the Dao and the Here and Now.
History of Pantheism | The Story of an Immanent God
00:00 Introduction
03:36 Hinduism
15:09 Daoism
21:20 Buddhism
“Then He realized, l indeed, l am this creation, for I have poured it forth from myself. In that way He became this creation.” - Brihadaranyaka Upanishad
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One of my favorite sayings in Eastern Philosophy : Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After Enlightenment: chop wood, carry water. Another story has to do with blind men and an elephant.
I own 10 acres in Eastern WA. manual labor is just part of my life.
If you don't find God amid your pots and pans you won't find Him in a Church's ceremonies and prayers..
Yes, love that line. Mm you’re truly lucky
@@SeekersofUnity Very. . I love keeping my chickens and gardening. I'd rather live like this than live anywhere else. I have real wealth! Real wealth isn't money, gold, possessions. It is creativity, God and beauty.
You said it.
this channel is a goldmine. Here before 100k 👍🏼
Thank you Daniel 🙏🏼 Much love
"Ideas flowed between the two, pollinating and fertilising one another" what a wonderful metaphor :)
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I feel as if I'm half in over my head, but something is saying ''go forward, there is value here if you persist''...I turned down the speed to .75, and repeated several parts. The video is amazing, and deeply felt. I will be experiencing this again. You are opening doors in my mind and heart.
Thanks for sticking through Elinore and good idea to slow it down. I hope it was worth the effort. Thank you dearly for your kind words. With love, Zevi
For all convoluted philosophies, religions and ideologies of the world; You REALLY only have two choices. You can live in love or you can live in fear. Going down the rabbit hole of existential dread frantically trying to find " truth" is a waste of time and energy. To quote Soren Kierkegaard " Life is not a mystery to be solved, but an experience to be cherished."
I recently come across this series. (I have to have a disclaimer here for my comment. I grew up in a Muslim dominated geography. Also, English is also not my first language, but I recently live in a geography that I use it a lot). Pantheism is something that I identify lot, even before I knew such term existed. I always believed in the Energy (this is how I name "the beginning thing") in us and in all of the things. I know how the language limits the conceptions, but your energy transcends from the video screen, so please continue with the explanations. Love you and all who believe in the unity
Thank you Isil. That means a lot to me. Your love and appreciation transcends the language barrier between us as well.
With love,
Zevi
That energy in the beginning is adee Shaktee in Hinduism!!
Really well done!. Love the automated experience!
I am a Hindhu i believe in Pantheism as described by Upanishads, Swami Vivekananda, Rabindranath Tagore, Sarvapalli Radhakrishnan
I just found this channel and I have identified (secretly) as a pantheist for many years. I am loving this content and I'm going to be attempting to watch all of your videos. Thank you so much for making them.
Glad you found us. I hope you enjoy it. Thanks for joining us for the ride :)
The Shakti/Shiva duality reminds me of Spinoza's "Nature Naturing/Natured Nature"
One of the Chuang Tzu collections I have is by the Christian Mystic Thomas Merton, who definitely saw a Pantheist Divine Principle in his Tao. I take a more non-dualist approach. Tao Is God without Being God, or something like that.
Similarly, as a Buddhist, while I wouldn't refer to Emptiness as God, to call that "wrong" would itself be wrong.
I've been interested in Buddhist practice for some time now, and as a student of all things China I've often been drawn to learning more about Daoism. Your explanation of the "道" was the best I've seen so far, and really stirred a kind of rush of excitement in me for finally beginning to understand this deep teaching. Thank you.
You're most welcome Bill. Glad we could be of assistance. Much love, Zevi
Very well put together and said. Thanks for the comparison!
You’re most welcome Andy. Thank you 🙏🏼
Really very good. Beautiful the reference to Tillich too, really. Congratulations.
Thank you Gianluigi 🙏🏼
"sunny side up" - you're such a delightful dork. The more I listen to your channel the more I appreciate it.
Thank you my guy. I’m glad you enjoy it :)
panentheist here, enjoying the channel
one of my fav mystrical/pantheist expressions i try and keep in my mind from the gita
Brahmarpanam Brahma Havir Brahmagnau Brahmana Hutam Brahmaiva Tena Ghantavyam Brahmakarma Samadhina
the act of offering is brahman, the offering is brahman, the givver of the offering is brahman, the fire wich accepts the offering is brahman, to attain brahman is to be absorbed in all things
Thank you Matthew, and thank you for sharing that beautiful passage from the Gita 🙏
Right on time. Thanks Zevi 🤗
My pleasure brother.
So clever and clearly presented!
Thanks for delivering such an essential knowledge in such a lucid and concise way!
Love Seekers of Unity project - these talks brighten my day.
And the presenter (Zevi) is awesome!
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Thank you Mihaela ☺️🙏🏼 We love you too.
These quotes are just awe inspiring 💖
God's of Hinduism were initially the natural elements. Agni = fire, Vayu = Air, Varun = Water, Surya = Sun, Prithvi = Earth, Prakruti = nature, Indra = sky and rain,
They not only used to worship nature and natural element that helps life survive, but also worshipped rivers and mountains, all kinds of animals
Fantastic video my friend!!
Thank you Richard 🙏🏼
Great video!!
Thank you Son 🙏🏼
Love your content
Thank you 🙏🏼
I, for one, would love to see your interpretive dance explaining the Tao 😂😂😂
A debate started by the sage Abhinavagupta between Kashmir Shaivism and Buddhism can also share light into key differences of these two religions
Im still loving the Herman Hesse reading. Thanks for that one;) I came back because YES, God is all and all is God. As above so below, my brother. 93/93
Welcome back brother.
I plan to go through every video in this series (I'm most grateful you've put it together!), but I'm wondering if you or any fellow viewers have recommendations on how I can dive deeper into Pantheism/Mysticism and this realm of religion/spirituality...? Textbooks, bibles, other series, online courses, organizations that offer educational resources, etc. Beginner-friendly! Thank you ♥
You’re most welcome friend. I’d recommend finding one specific group, text, thinker, tradition or community you connect with and dig deep there. Otherwise you may feel a little scattered :)
Dood, I love your channel. Have the best day!
I love you Michael 😘 thanks for your enthusiastic encouragement. It means a lot ❤️
@@SeekersofUnity Aw, I love you, Zevi. Brother, I've been searching for thirty one years for comparative analysis about the mystical experience. I had my intelligent infinity love-light unity experience at fourteen years old. The way of things has been kind to me, allowing me time and space to look closer and deeper into my experience. I get to retain something of an omnipresent resonance from this initial catalyst vision experience where my consciousness merged with the most inexpressible powerful loving kindness ecstatic light that was/is not harsh like photon light, but an unconditional love, and it was all made of data, mind, intelligent infinity. I was it and it me. This began as a dream, obviously woke me up, continued on with my eyes open, and then vanished as abruptly as it arrived. I kept this experience to myself for years, slowly asking questions and researching on my own. I gravitated towards visual art and music to speak about my omnipresent resonance. Slowly, I've found comparable stories in art and myriad other disciplines. Having these stories flow like a mighty River, which is my analogy for your channel and Justin's channel, and in a scholarly manner, will in time normalize this conversation, and evidence the power of human commonalities and consciousness/mind to all. Way to play, Sir, way to play! I am honoured to get to know you, but quite naturally from a certain perspective, we've always known each other. ♾️✨❤️
It's a real pleasure Michael. Glad to be able to play a role in (y)our journey ;)
The message of peace refers metaphysically to Pure Being, of which we are as the foam; Pure Being is the Substance, we are the accidents. The canonical figure of the Buddha shows us “That which is”, and that which we “should be”, or even that which we “are” in our eternal reality: for the visible Buddha is what his invisible essence is; he is in conformity with the nature of things. He is active, since his hands speak, but this activity is essentially “being”; he has an outwardness, since he has a body, but it is “inward”; he is a manifestation since he exists, but he is “manifestation of the Void” (shūnyamūrti). He is the personification of the Impersonal and yet, at the same time, he is the transcendent or divine Personality of men; should the veil be torn, the soul returns to its eternal Buddha-nature, just as light refracted by a crystal returns to undifferentiated unity when no object is there anymore to break up its ray. In each grain of dust there is pure Existence and it is in this sense that it can be said that a buddha, or the Buddha, is to be found in it.
-Frithjof Schuon
I would not consider myself a daoist because I do not engage in daoist practices however my personal religious/spiritiual beliefs are the daoist view of pantheism. I love how the dao that can be spoken of is not the eternal dao which takes into account that human minds are limited and cannot comprehend the full spirituality of the universe.
As a panentheistic Daoist, I thoroughly enjoyed your content. Please consider Dao De Jing Chapter 42 and other references for the Daoist cosmology.
Thank you my friend. I’m glad you enjoyed it 🙏🏼
What was the specific Buddhist school you talked about?
thank you bless you
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Lol....I was watching one of your videos and was about to comment to check out about Hinduism and Buddhism...and then I scrolled down and saw this video😂
😋😘 Enjoy
Great video, I would suggest that you make the videos at least an hour long to give an adequate coverage of the topics presented.
Thank you Peretz. Much obliged.
Kundalini ...The Divine Mother...Shakti - Shiva!
Thanks
You’re most welcome
I come from an atheist background and I’ve never been interested in religion or spirituality.. until something happened to me.. something I have been trying to describe to myself for the last three years..
I’ve read more books in the last three years than in the previous 45.
I searched the internet and I started to see it everywhere, in everything.
I wish above all wishes, that everyone could share my experience.
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Its happening to me too. I'm happy I'm exploring this as well!
Yep, something similar has happened to me. Ironically, the experience was largely less spiritual and more of a confrontation with my own reality. But, it sparked an obligation to be more honest with myself and to start asking bigger questions and searching. And that's all led me to where I am now.
I thought of myself as agnostic for a long time. But realized that I was using agnosticism as an excuse to be complacent and hedonistic lol. Willful ignorance is a sin against oneself, but a veil put on willingly can thankfully also be removed willingly.
Hi Zevi
Hey Richard 👋🏼
There is a reason the major body of "Hindu" religion is called Vedanta. Vedanta does mean the "end of religion", and specifically it lit reads as the "End of the Vedas." Almost all (perhaps all) of "Hinduism", from Vedanta to Shaivism call back, not to the the most ancient scriptures of the Vedas, but rather to the Upanishads at the end, and despite many people (even many "Hindus") are calling Vedanta "Vedic" religion, that is not what the Renunciates, Swamis and Gurus of Vedanta, or Shaivism teach (though themes of traditional originalism might obscure that). The Vedic religion was the cult of sacrifice and obedience who's chief concern was maintaining the shape of society which the Shramana movements escaped from, and denounced. Even the Gita and Krishna taught private Shramina along with public Vedicism. So to now call the Santana Dharma religions "Vedic" seems kind of absurd (though clearly a mischaracterization so widespread that its hard to avoid).
Your video is great,although I am a bit disappointed that you would cram Buddhism, Daoism and Hinduism into just one "Eastern" video, where each of them alone warrants several videos if one wants to explore ideas of pantheism and monism. Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism are incredibly rich in philosophical thought and the ideas of monism and pantheism are far more central to the various schools of Buddhism, Daoism, Hinduism and Jainism than in Western thought. Hope you would make deeper dives later.
Thank you friend. Trust me. I’m disappointed with myself as well. Working to learn more. A little bit every day. Thanks for being with us while we learn.
We’re like divine branches of the tree planted by our Creator.
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😳 Wow, you look like Jesus!
or the creator is the tree itself
@@jrhermosura4600or both I guess? Lol, is that sort of what panentheism implies? That God is that which creates as well as that which they've created and that the two are linked? In that view, God would be the one who planted the seed as well as the seed itself and what grows from said seed.
Idk how valid this thought would be, but it sounds like a description of us as well. Say I grow a plant in my home. I plant the seed, I water and nurture it so that it can flourish. I'm not actually the plant since I came before and ordained its creation. But because I've put so much time and effort into it and because it serves as a significant, personal object in my life that I'm responsible and accountable for, if that plant dies or doesn't reach its potential: that would effect me in a real way. I've made the plant, a living thing, a part of my life and thus a part of myself, an extension. So in that regard, it's a reflection of me and I of it. If it's believed that we share a nature of a true God in the form described, then the human act I described would also be a Godly act.
I hope that made some sense. Though I'm sure it has plenty of holes lol.
love your video's and these series but you really should work on your delivery of poetic quotes
Working on it :)
What about Norman Giesliers’s book Christian apologetics and also his book on the new age?
sorry if its too long :C Hi Seeker, i have a doubt. Do all jewish people see god as inmanecent and panentheistic; i mean as the einsof or do the mayority of jews have the personal god arquetype? (or they do it in secret?)
Hey brother. Thank you for the question. We’re planning a vid in this series on Pantheism and Judaism. I hope you don’t mind me answering all your Judaism, Pantheism related questions in that vid.
@@SeekersofUnity On the contrary man, this gets me exited for the nexts vids. Much love
Now - this Channel is amazing! There is just one problem - where do I start - I want to see them all!!!!!
There’s no particular order. Whatever calls out to you :)
Great stuff. Do you like Rene Guenon?
Thank you Pedro 🙏🏼 I’m not a fan of the Traditionalist school in general, there’s just too much anger and hate and not enough love for my liking. I think mysticism must be predicated on love and must produce more of it in turn. I think the bond between mysticism and love, historically, conceptually, experientially, practically… is inseparable and indispensable. I hope not to upset any fans of Traditionalism by saying this, but i just can’t swallow their flavor of mysticism. With love, Zevi
@@SeekersofUnity all good, brother. Thanks for the honest response. 😊
To call "HInduism" pantheistic view is not invalid, as HInduism excludes none; but the ultimate description of reality as described in Vedas is only in negation- negating whatever concept or view comes to our mind- that is not all the reality. So Pantheism-as we understand as the underlying order in cosmos-the cosmos itself is tiniest of the infinite number of cosmos arising and dying in the infinite and indescribable sea of consciousness... and as soon as I wrote the preceding sentence and you start forming a concept in your mind about that... I will have to say no, that is not it...Vedas would come and say-no, that is not it all.... and soon all that so grandiose is renormalized into infinitey tiniest part of the whole; yet ..wait ..wait...tineist part of the whole yet it is whole in itself, with the gransdiosity not reduced in one bit; it is as complete as the infinitely large of which it is part-because the wholeness is its intrinsic property. So even if one is truly pantheistic and assimilate that level of perception in one's being, the door to that which is beyond pantheism also opens azar. All roads lead to Brahman; rather it is realization that Brahman alone exists even now, we are but transient shadows.
To me, negation also involves believing in the existence of something that is real. I hope that this positive can be found by all! Love from a sympathiser of pantheistic Hinduism from India!
Im hoping I'm going to hear the term Pan-Psychism, given that most of Santana dharma traditions are Consciousness-Centered religion, not "Theism" (a god centered greco-semitic concept) at all. Im shocked to find you dismissing pan-psychism as animism. Don't get me wrong, the term is ill defined in its distinction from Pan-Theism, and I think I would have completely equated the two (pantheism/panpsychism) unit I saw that this was contributing to the confusion of "god-center" religion with "consciousness-centered" religion.
@Seekers of Unity, you do a respectably good job (if not a great Job), and I so enjoy(and benefit from) your explorations.
Thanks:)
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and U call it the G-d in us....and I agree.....HUMANITY
Thanks ,for this great presentation!
The highest achievement for hindus according to the Hindu religion is not attaing the heavens,but attaining oneness with the universal Deity.
To achive Salvation while alive is the highest goal of us,
It is known as "Jeevan Mukti"
When one sees the all pervasive Self or the Lord everywhere and as everything,he/ she attains " sama drishti" or unified Vision, for that person ,the highest and the lowest are same, happiness and sorrow is same,
Abuse and praise is same, as he sees only the Lord .
Such a person having such vision is beyond everything, and is one with the Lord or established in his self,
He/ she is a Jeevan Mukta.
May all atain this state.
Thank you friend 🙏🏼
Yes, wishing for heaven leads to be born in the world or sansaar and thus falling from grace
@@indicphilosopher8772yeah, the typical western/Christian/Abrahamic concept of "heaven" or things adjacent to it has fallen flat for me since I was able to question it.
Being within a "kingdom" or realm of God maintains a sort of separation. That we can go to a better plane but that plane is still not with God himself, merely an area he created and allowed us into. My intuitive notion lately has been that such a place would merely be transitory, that we may attain access to such a reality but that soon after we would be reborn into another life more similar to this one, if not identical to it. With no memory, or only fleeting and vague notions or memories that such a place existed or that we were ever there. More importantly, that our goal here and now is to get closer to such a oneness with the caveat of knowing we'll likely never obtain long lasting access and that it's not a "place" but a mode of experience that, like all other modes is likely fleeting and impermanent. But that experience would influence and bring us closer in a positive way going forward. But still, only "closer." Hope that makes some kind of sense lol.
Are ineffable realities alike?
Well since they're ineffable.....What can be said..?
Love contemplating this with you.
Thanks for the channel..
Thank you for being here you lovely human 😘
Pantheism is the worship of Peter Pan. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle factor unit for integration of syrup to your Pan-cakes.
So sad that you didn't do an interpretive dance to communicate the Dao... :'(
(Just kidding.) I loved the lecture.
I like to interpret Hindu texts as being pantheistic, but that is probably because I find Spinozian (atheism-adjacent) pantheism compelling. I find texts such as the Upanishads and the Gita beautiful, and it's quite possible that I want to have my cake and eat it too by telling myself that these Hindu texts describe my own (impersonal) God. Of course, there are plenty of Hindus who interpret these texts in a theistic way (personal God), rather than a pantheistic one. But there are also Hindus who see Brahman as an impersonal force... and that falls more in line with the Spinozian concept.
Regardless, even if the Gita describes a personal God, it is some kind of "cosmic" God that more resembles a pantheistic God than, say, broadly held Abrahamic conceptions of God. But even certain Abrahamic conceptions can be rather "cosmic" so... maybe they're all conceptions of the same thing? (shrug)
I look forward to hearing about the Greeks!
Hey Hal,
Thanks so much for that beautiful message.
I agree with. There is a temptation to interpret other traditions in sympathy with our own philosophical/theological implications. Also, a big fan of Spinoza here. I hope we did a fair job of being true to the traditions here while giving ourselves the liberty of highlighting the part that appeal to our thinking and which we may be able to learn from.
Looking forward do diving into the rest of this wonderful history together here. Thanks for joining for the ride. 😉
@@SeekersofUnityi, I was born into a Hindu family and follow Advaita philsophy from young which can be a form of non-dualistic pantheistic monism or so, the wordy way of saying it. But it is certainly possible to follow a non theistic form of hindu pantheism, very much like the Yoga school (not to be confused with yoga poses) which has spinonza’s god but is basically more active than passive when it comes to what a practitioner should do to kill undesirable traits (anger, ego, attachments, etc) so as to realize this true self and non duality (advaita) - the spinonza god in themselves and in all. Traditionally the text yoga sutras by Patanjali didn’t invoke Ishwara (personnal god) in his entire book. And even the Nyaya school gave 7 arguments against the existence of a personal god and why an impersonal god made more sense. Plus Shankara who is the most popular philosopher of Advaita spoke that ultimately only the Brahman (spinonza) god exists. But basically, if one wants to feel and experience this true reality and self (the Brahman, atman, many words in sanskrit), one shouldn’t have reservations or hesitation to indulge in things even they don’t want to, cause ultimately that’s the ego and false self, it comes in the form of everything. There’s a famous line ‘use the ego to kill the ego’, so that’s where a personal god comes in too. Where basically if one wants to understand their true nature beyond desires and ego, they should indulge in the imagination of a personal god of love who can help them kill that ego. But in actuality, only the Brahman exists in Advaita, and the Brahman is an impersonal (Nirguna Brahman - attribute-less, not personal). Ishwara (personal god) is just a samskara (mental impression) like all mental impression including this message and mental impression itself 😅, I know it’s getting circular. Because ultimately everything is, and as a result nothing is it too. That sorta contradictory nature of the ultimate reality is elucidated in the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad 5.1.1 (Brahman - Brahman = Brahman) and all over where it’s referred to that what is and what it’s not, etc. it may sound like semantics, but it’s meant to elucidate the ‘out of binary-ness’ that the ultimate reality (true self) exists in that we so are unable to fathom and conceive of within our current paradigm of consciousness & universe we exist in. It’s much like trying to conceive of the sound of the color red. That’s where the ultimate reality is, in the impossible. So the point is to realize that true undifferentiated self beyond these current baggages were stuck in, and that’s the ego or false self that is essentially the only cause of all the problems (referred to as Maya or illusion). Advaita that ways is a very strict metaphysical solipcism… so ultimately the personal god can be a very powerful way to kill that ego by submission, that’s the point of the personal god for many hindus, even strict Advaitins like Shankara were very steeped in personal god worship for that reason.
@@abhinavanand336this is really interesting. So my understanding of what you've said is that Hinduism, or forms of Hinduism believe that personal God(s) can serve as a tool to overcome the restraints of one's ego and "bridge" the gap or become closer with the true, impersonal God (Brahman?) and the important distinction to remember is that a personal God is not a permanent thing or creator, but serve as a sort of mediator to bring one into contact/unity with the true God of reality, which is reality?
I'd read before that in Hindu belief the Gods/deities are themselves impermanent and subject to cycles of death and rebirth like us. Assuming I've interpreted what you said fairly correctly, that concept now makes a lot more sense to me. But please feel free to correct me if I'm off in my interpretation.
I think the case for pantheism in Tibetan Buddhism and Kashmir Shavism is quite strong, both being influenced by Bon.
One of the most Pantheistic eastern religions is Shintoism although on the surface it appears to be polytheistic but I believe that it's followers believe that it's all aspects of One life.It was possibly influenced by,or influenced, the Bon religion itself an influence upon Buddhism.
It is Polytheistic within Panetheism
Bon is a part of Buddhism. It is not a separate religion that influenced Buddhism!!! 😂😂😂 😅😅
GOD Most High: Malchezedik (hope I spelled that right)
What does that actually mean?🤔
I often hear people say the God of pantheism is impersonal. Is this correct?
That’s usually the case but not necessarily.
The Buddha was NOT a pantheist, nor a monist despite many people assuming so.
i would like U to speak to MythVision......its time the PEOPLE know's Ur understanding of present day HEBREW thought...
Yes or Gnostic Informant
Gods other could be no other than himself. if God revealed himself then his otherness would be revealed too but since God can't have lack he overflows and fills us.
I worship a single, supreme god that does not deny the existence or possible existence of other deities. particularly Hinduism scriptures mention and praise numerous deities as if they are one ultimate unitary divine essence. I criticize Western theological and religious exceptionalism, focusing on a cultural dogma which held "monotheism" to be both fundamentally well-defined and inherently superior to differing conceptions of God. I view different deities to be of a unitary, equivalent divine essence.
For me a single god is central, but the existence or the position of other gods is not denied. I worship a single god from a pantheon of deities at a given time, depending on my choice, while accepting other deities and concepts of god. Its a middle position between unlimited polytheism and exclusive monotheism.
There is a religion called kashmiri shaivism which is a esoteric tantric religion they believed in absolute nondualism of god meaning even action is god, not only everything that is in and the universe itself. Well they don't specifically assert the godlyness of god like abrahamic faith because its esoteric meaning secret. Its more non dual than advaita vedanta.
when you look at some of the oldest Vedic texts you come across this idea that Brahman as well as been the ultimate creator the entities that later became defined in many dharmic sects as the Devas in the older texts are more akin to angels than Gods. then it is complicated more when you start to see the encompassing of tribal gods acquainting them to the Vedas with also the later idea of the avatars along with the theistic and atheistic schools. there is the idea of this one that all originates seen blatantly in the Nasadiya Sukta rig Veda Hymn 10:129 its is similar to a monotheism in some aspects. what is seen as Hinduism now is more an evolution of just over the past two millennia with a myriad of brake off groups.
the Nasadiya Sukta rig Veda Hymn 10:129
'Then even non-existence was not there, nor existence, There was no air (sky) above, nor the space beyond it. What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping? Was there then cosmic fluid, in depths unfathomed?
Then there was neither death nor immortality nor was there then the light of night and day. The One breathed windless and self-sustaining. There was that One then, and there was no other.
At first there was only darkness enveloped in darkness. All this was only unilluminated cosmic water. That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing, arose at last, born of the power of knowledge. In the beginning desire descended on it - that was the primal seed, born of the mind. The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom know that which is, is kin to that which is not. And they have stretched their cord across the void, and know what was above, and what below. Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces. Below was strength, and over it was impulse. But, after all, who knows, and who can say Whence it all came, and how creation happened? the Devas are later than this creation, so who knows truly whence it has arisen? Whence all creation had its origin, the creator, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not, the creator, who surveys it all from highest heaven, he knows - or maybe even he does not know.'
This plane of existence, the material world, is materialized by the intent of a conscious mind. Intelligence is the only creative force and it's not dependent on the existence of the material world.
You did not discuss the Buddhist concept of Buddha-nature, which says that buddha-nature is present in all things. I would refer you to the book "Buddha Nature: The Mahayana Uttaratantra Shastra, by Arya Maitreya," 2000, Snow Lion Publications; also-in my favorite-the Buddhist Art of Iwasaki Tsuneo, found in the book by Paula Arai, "Painting Enlightenment," 2019, Shambala Publications. These either state or illustrate that Buddha Nature is present in all things-in an atom, thus in rocks, mountains, water and clouds, the stars and planets; in the DNA and cells of all living beings, thus expanding the concept of "sentient being." In "The Way of Chuang Tzu," in the question, "Where is Tao?" it clearly states Tao is in everything-even the turd!
In the Source of All that Is, by whatever name you wish to call it, we live and move and have our being.
Thank you for your video, but as an asian in the culture of buddhism and taoism, and with religion-pratical friends, I'm sorry to tell you , you are wrong at all. Do taoism and buddhism have the element of pantheism ? Maybe. But are they pantheism ? Not at all. I advice you to read more books about these themes, but not try to mix them up. Each religion worths to one or more videos, but not "the eastern pantheism". It's wrong. It's the myth created by occitantal researchers, it's not taoism, nor buddhism.
I am a mystic, so I am not looking from an exterior point of view.
Having said that the evolution of human society makes us all exterior viewers of the past. At 14:40 in your video you are refering to a common creator deity. The archeaological remant is no secret, its the mother earth goddess. The universe was smaller, the celestial was tied to the earth (as in dome cosmology).
The beginning of symbolitry to mother earth dates to the quasihuman period before 100kya. The symbolitry grows in size and refinement throughout the late paleolithic and is evident in all the early fertile crescent. She is represented by Ki/Ninhursag in Sumeria, Hera in greece, Gaia, Asherah in canaanite/Israelite culture prior to the Maccabean revolt. While there is certainly a mystical connect with the mother earth goddess, the symbolitry better represents a kind of fertility fetish.
In and around gaizentep turkey the first sustained agriculture took place. Emmers wheat emerged as an important early cereal, and the goddess associated with spring and birth soon became a goddess of agriculture and crop raising.
The calving of belief in the fertile crescent takes a step forward in Anatolia just after the mother earth god associates with agriculture. About 10,000 years ago people also domesticated cattle. This important step allowed the spread of neolithic culture northward, by 8500 years ago its in the Iron Gourges of Danube river, by 8100 years ago it reaches Britain. With ox-pastoralism comes new divine representation, the divine male, represented by ox-horns with doublets or triplets of stacked pairs c. 9000 to 9500 BC. This iconography would come to represent the most central and important religious innovation, the god-king (father). In sumeria about 6000 years ago the uruk period settles into a preexisting mesopotamia characterized by water gods, male and female. But Uruk was powerful, and demanded loyalty. With the rise of the white temple to the sky, so rose the sky god Anu, the father god. The father god was the organizing principle for ancient societies. It was a promoter of compromise and trade. In canaanite culture, the father, the bull of the heavens, known as El Elyon, was the god of the peaks and high places. He watched over sojourners and wanderers, he made sure the trade routes stayed open.
What about mysticism in these two aspects. Margerate barker wants to point out that within first temple Judaism there is a kind of polytheism, with the divine feminine representing wisdom and the maternal. El Elyon, the father, and Yahweh the obedient and powerful son. From the divine feminine christians first associated virgin Mary with the Holy Spirit, that association later removed.
The divine father, Anu, was associated with Taurus and this one of the founding pieces of astrology. Again the raising of the with temple 3300 to 4000 BCE is probably associated with night-sky mysticism.
sir it would be lovely if u can collab with DEVDUTT PATTANAIK he is superb mythologist from INDIA
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Thank you for the suggestion Aadityarajsinh 🙏🏼
He doesn't even knw Sanskrit.
Mythologist ???!
everybody misunderstands hinduism proper. it only has three gods or the trinities. a creator, a sustainer and a destroyer. since everything is created then sustained for its lifespan and finally destroyed. all else are addons like the various sects of all the other religions. but, a very big BUT, they were not gods to begin with. just nature in its glory. everything else was added on just like all the other religions as well. and so, as Confucius tried to say to us, Dont keep getting Confused !!!
Well I guess you cant get through the discussion without a huge serving of word Salad.
Lets dissect the word Pantheism as the Everything. Except there is a problem, the everything is always changing from dome cosmologies to multiverse theory. And the problem here is how can know what everything is when the description of everything is nonsense and the creation of everything is equally nonsense. Even the most expert scientist today could define everything and how it came to be, if forced to do so, and he would also spew nonsense. The everything is material, energetic, spatial and temporal and so much more and we lack any sufficient understanding to kniw how it came to be.
And so dicing that out of the discussion. Buddhism is mysticism, the Nervana as discussed is a type of mystical experience under the broad envelope mystos as used to describe the hidden experential of the human mind as separate from daily or routine experiential. And so under the umbrella of hidden experiential there is Pantheism. The provision of the divine nothingness is what I call the mystical plain. The coming of the mystic into a place were sensory experiences are washed and the mystics journey rightfully begins. Within that context the esoteric aspect of mysticism should reach a prominence, that ineffible things should best be left unsaid. That the structure that both exists and does not exist in the divine plain.
The buddhist desire to separate itself from divinities is a reasonable step forward in mysticism because it is the divinities and magic that give rise to delusions in the divine plain. By ridding oneself of the ego of spirituality the divine plain leaves trueness in its wake. But the festering problem in buddhism is that it tries to amplify a problem, suffering, and then provide the cure.
When we talk about human societies whether we are a protagonist or antagonist, we tend to take either the good or bad from something an emphasize it, either idolizing or demonizing the thing.
Here we have life, a thing, its either a beautiful thing or ugly thing. But the problem in religion is that the divine genders are symbols of the worldly sexual. Religions cannot divorce themselves from the centrality of human nature. We are sexual beings, in tantra sex is magic. But sexuality has a price, it brings on suffering and requires death. 800 million years ago life was 99.999% sessile bacteria laying on the seafloor in huge mats with indefinitely long lives. Sexual beings brought beauty to the world, but the cost was built into them, they must suffer and die. We cannot divorce beauty and death, these things are intertwined. Enjoy life it will end soon. If mysticism helps relieve the burden of experience use it, but life is about the journey not destinations.
Perhaps this is in some way a contribution to the idealism of the pronoun culture. History seems rather clear on the desire of mankind to define that which cannot be defined, the idea of god/dao/logos/etc. Now humanity has been introduced to the idealism that there is no god/dao/logos/etc. to define. So the implicit desire to define that which cannot be defined has changed to the desire to redefine that which is obvious and empirical.
DAO DE JING NOT YI JING
Thank you
Sanatana dharma is panentheism
Pantheism, hinduism, cosmism and all these beliefs are paganism.
Buddhism is not pantheist. Period. That is because Buddhism does not have the concept of a supernatural force or God. End of discussion.
What about Dharmakaya and the Buddhas and Boddhistavas?
@@IronMoonBookReading None of those are supernatural
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Pride is a vice
Pride comes before the fall
that’s cool but did you know…
This video is way off the mark.
How so?
Your method of argumentation, chiefly repeating Spinoza's arguments, reveals that you do not understand Spinoza beyond his own mere words. Yes, you bounce Spinoza off various Eastern concepts, which you also understand merely conceptually, so you're just spinning gears, without achieving intuitive apprehension of the reality of substance and mode, which is the very first and last step of the Ethics. Modal conceptual enquiry is important as a preliminary but substantial reality lies beyond conceptual intellectual activity.
What you're doing is good, as far as it goes, but so far, it actually goes nowhere.