In my humble opinion, I think of God as being pure energy. Energy is pervasive throughout the universe. God is everything and everywhere. I see myself as a bit of energy drawn from a vast ocean of energy that becomes me. When I die, I cease to exist as the individual me and go back to that vast ocean of energy. I become one with everything else.
@@farisal-said1772 Pure energy is in everything. Reincarnation is just one of the many possibilities. I am just one drop in a vast ocean of energy. I lose my individuality and become one with all. All is one.
@@anahata3478 I thank you for your suggestion. I have looked into it. It's not right for me. I think we each need to find out own path to our own truth. My truth for me is pantheism.
God as pure energy might not be the most accurate, but it's about as meaningful a shorthand as we have for what God is. Describing this unity is extremely difficult, which is why the Hindus invented a sound and symbol for it, om: ॐ Spinoza's idea (which even managed to attract the atheist in the video) is that God is in the infinite forms beyond what we understand. We just have two: the physical and mental. Energy (and mass) would fall into the category of the physical. Spinoza suggests there are possibly an infinite number of categories beyond our comprehension, and God - or Nature, if you like - comprises all of them. We don't see everything, essentially is the claim. We can't see the workings of atoms and we barely understand how quantum mechanics work. Einstein demonstrated that space and time are equivalent, and we're still grappling with that incredible fact. Even the observations and sense perceptions of an ant are beyond our very narrow understanding. All of these myriad forms of the world are God, including those we as very simplistic and recent descendants of wild apes can not conceive.
@@dogchaser520 I wonder if God can be understood by us humans. Our minds and brains are limited. I think 🤔 each person has to find the answer for him or herself. What's true for one person may not be true for another. All I know is what is true for me. Truth is relative to us humans. There is also the truth that is universal and goes beyond us humans. I thank you for your comment and view.
@@tajzikria5307 No, God is not creator in Spinoza. If how universe began through the big bang without creator. That is Spinoza God. Dark Matter, Dark Energy, single point dense and Big Bang and everything invisible and visible are part Divine entity. According to Atheist Universe began without God. But according to Pantheist , universe began with God. God did not create universe. But Universe was with God from the beginning
@@tajzikria5307 Spinoza identifies god with nature, not something beyond nature that creates nature. As panentheism is usually characterized, nature is in god but god is more than nature. You don't find that in Spinoza.
I'm still a staunch atheist but about 15 years ago in my early 20 I came to this concept by myself and became fascinated by it, incorporated it into my storytelling. I only learned pantheism was an established philosophical idea a couple of months ago, and felt so validated and conflicted at the same time haha. It definitely rekindled my examination of the concept.
I consider myself a pantheist because I’ve come to find God to be imperfect - struggling to get things right and failing more often than not, but still creating better, more life-affirming and more moral existences through the struggle, working these difficulties out in the universe. So the “problem of evil” in my pantheistic view comes from God failing. And my pantheism certainly doesn’t include any salvation - personal or impersonal. This short life is my story. I’ll be happy to close the book on it in time, and let other stories flourish.
Maybe 'God' is just the very fabric and structure of existence itself. I think we need to get away from the idea of God as a 'being' that has a mind, agenda, makes decisions etc. I'm just spit balling here, but God could be the the energy that underlies everything, and it just let's itself go for eternity in a sort of cosmic game, just to see how far out it can get.. with all kinds of life, complexity, experience etc. But I feel like it would have some randomness to it, rather than knowing what's going to happen. Without randomness existence would be boring, and you would never be able to have anything 'new'. I don't hold any beliefs in this, but it is fun to think about. I mean if you were god, what else would you do for eternity?
I like the notion of imperfect.... but from the notion of God being everything, it ( being impersonal) must be able to create/be all things which must include perfect and imperfect, infinite and finite, bounded and unbounded, It ( this Impersonal) must be the home of all possibilities, so every possibility must be inherent in It. ( so is my thinking)
It sounds more like anti pantheism propaganda lol The narrator keeps saying "I don't like that pantheism doesn't offer personal immortality". Well, man. This is not a question of personal preference, this is a quest for truth. I don't like that fire is hot or water is wet, but it's not up to me to choose. You can't discard pantheism just because you want the world to work in a certain way.
Not sure if anyone is reading this at some point but still I'd like to mention that we simply cannot know what is the bigger truth. We have the ability to think logicly but yet our mind is just too small, our knowledge too little to understand what will be or what was out of our own existence. Therefore our beliefs don't represent the truth but our way to imagine it. So to accept pantheism or not to is our decision. And that decision depends only on our comfort within the specific philosophy.
@@downwinder3 I’m in between. I believe that there’s a possibility of a higher power and if there is one, it’s most likely not a personal or individualistic god but more so an energy or source. It’s beyond our understanding and beyond our constructs. It isn’t human, male or female but just simply a higher power
@@downwinder3 Atheism is nonsense. Universe begin without God is nonsense Spinoza view universe begin with God. Without God ,without universe. Atheism says universe came from Big Bang and Bing Bang came from 𝘂𝗻𝗶𝗺𝗮𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗯𝗹𝘆 𝗵𝗼𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗲 𝗽𝗼𝗶𝗻𝘁. And Big Bang expand bez of Dark Energy. Spinoza stated everything is part of Divine entity what if Dark Energy is God himself and 𝘂𝗻𝗶𝗺𝗮𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗯𝗹𝘆 𝗵𝗼𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗲 𝗽𝗼𝗶𝗻𝘁 is the way of God to start the universe. Take God of Spinoza is not like God of Traditional belief of Theism like Christian and Muslim. Traditional Theist belief universe created by God while Spinoza belief God is the cause why universe begun. Atheist belief universe start no God, it seem you believe universe started without Big Bang lol. Spinoza stated everything is God and God is everything. If God is everything we can say God himself is a Big Bang or Dark Energy cuz the universe to start at single dense point and began to expand and expand. Pantheim has sense compare to fucking nonsense Atheism.
THE WORD of GOD explains GOD 2Peter 1:19-21 Men Spake as they were Moved by THE HOLY GHOST 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Timothy 3:16, 17 All SCRIPTURE INSPIRED BY GOD 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Psalm 138:2) David declares GOD MAGNIFIES HIS WORD 2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. Isaiah 40:8 GOD'S WORD STANDS FOR EVER! 8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. Proverbs 30:5, 6 EVERY WORD of GOD is PURE 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
What I know is I am Naturalist, who loves nature, appreciate umderstand beyond my morals and emotions, I thought Nature is the god himself there is no separation including me, I didn't know there was a coin for that and in my surprised I am a Pantheist.
I always thought of God as not a being, but rather that energy that makes up everything at the atomic level. The magnetism that draws elements together, and splits them apart. When you view it this way, you see that "God" is essentially everything. That's why you should have respect and reverence for... everything. From the ground you walk on, the air you breathe, and absolutely everything in between. Use it and appreciate it and it can "bless you", abuse it and misuse it and it can "wreak havoc upon you".
If God is energy, then we have to have to understand the Energy first. Energy does not have mind, wisdom and intellect to bind everything perfectly and work even outside of that perfection when the Will comes. So Energy is devoid of any wisdom, it cannot create fine tuned universe, it can only create randomness and chaos all over. So an intelligent being can only produce the Energy and use it in a fine manner, not Energy because of the lack of wisdom.
Energy is never wasted it just changes forms,I believe its a living force that has a highly evolved concious intellect. The question I always ask myself is "was god a human being at one point?" did He/She transcend reality,space,and time,and how?,did He/she create his own paralell dimension with new universes that reflected the exact oppisite of the natural universes? And why certain species on earth have tendencies to evolve right before our very eyes.
Baruch Spinoza & Karl Christian Friedrich Krause would smile and say well we told you so, actually you have to dig deeper until you understand panentheism than you could try to understand God!
I look pantheism as a definition for the ultimate reality, it is absolutely elegant as mathematics. There are science and poetry in Pantheism. it s a collection of ideas about the universe as an existential organism, it seems to be the sum of beings with consciousness capable of being creative ignorant, violent fearful, curious, compassionate, and blissful. It is the source that makes us to search for Truth.
Interesting video, I love the channel!! I come from a theistic background, but being unsatisfied with the explanations I looked into the worlds other spiritual practices to try to gain a better understanding. For several years I have been practicing sadhana prescribed by Indian Reshis and gurus. I had no concept of pantheism as you describe it here in the beginning, but slowly my understanding has evolved from not knowing what god could be into seeing how everything in existence Could indeed be God. Now I think that is true, as I continue the practices, it becomes clearer to me. We should consider using the terms “knowledge” and “ignorance” when discussing the good and evil phenomenon. It changes the discussion dramatically. I think that there’s is some spiritual training that individuals must do before we can understand the nature of our existence. At some point in the distant future I think science and human understanding will evolve to the point where we can verify Gods existence and understand God. I think what we find will be something very different than what most people are expecting.
Correct explanation. Sir, we do need some spiritual practices like meditation, yoga etc... to understand GOD within us & outside of us too. This is what I learnt from Hinduism. MeenaC
Yeah I picked up on that. He says he cannot support Pantheism because it does not offer eternal life. For him to be satisfied there must be an after life. I think that's extremely narrow minded and adopting this sort of thinking will never get him or anyone else for that matter Closer To The Truth.
The documentary maker is a fool ... 🤷🏿♂️, pantheism is simply a fancy way of discussing ancient beliefs , Zeus, ra , sun worship , nature worship, animism , spirituality , ifa, vodooo, the western scientist all follow a Abrahamic chaotic view of existence to keep the matrix running . Anything next to nature needs to be discredited to keep this sham up😂
Christine Ruis exactly , we go back to Mother Earth , we come from earth and we will go back , and then the energy force that is us will be used in another form
People often attack Pantheism and Deism because they don't provide eternal life, that's just sad and shows how humans are afraid of everything that doesn't go in hand with their emotions.
The ego is powerful if you let take control, and it wants to live forever, so people will lie to themselves because it's more comforting to them. Praising god and living for all eternity would be hell to me. Sounds awful.
From my observation most religions and people who discuss God assume that God is the starting point for everything. However, if energy, which is more fundamental, universally observable to everything, is considered the starting point, then I believe the question should be: Is it possible for energy to become aware of itself, in other words, become self-conscious? And relative to first "cause," how would we as human beings, observe and measure this truth in the "effect" from our own individual experience and actions?
As a Pantheist I feel that good and evil is just a part of the nature of consciousness. Does the Universe care about good and evil? At the beginning , end and everything in between does the Universe care? Morality is a construct of mortality. Mortality Is a state of consciousness. We choose good or evil depending on what we feel about them. Our reaction from choices are a part of the Universe. Like the ebb and flow of a tide. A choice is like throwing a tin of paint on a canvas, you cannot accurately predict the pattern that it will leave. It’s chaotic and alive at the point of impact and when the paint dries the pattern remains. I love that I can validate my spirituality to my creator through science and observation of my self and nature.
THE WORD of GOD explains GOD 2Peter 1:19-21 Men Spake as they were Moved by THE HOLY GHOST 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Timothy 3:16, 17 All SCRIPTURE INSPIRED BY GOD 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Psalm 138:2) David declares GOD MAGNIFIES HIS WORD 2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. Isaiah 40:8 GOD'S WORD STANDS FOR EVER! 8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. Proverbs 30:5, 6 EVERY WORD of GOD is PURE 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Thank you for this thoughtful presentation. I haven't seen this school of pantheists before, and I'd be fascinated to see how they'd interact with the pagan pantheists who tend to have a much wider range of religious experiences and philosophies than the most people in the modern world are generally exposed to or take seriously. I think they'd have some very fruitful discussions. One thing I want to note is that, as far as I understand it, pantheism doesn't *exclude* ideas like gods (with a small "g") and afterlives. It simply doesn't *require* them. Pantheism is more a way of thinking about the sacred and transcendent nature of the universe than it is a specific statement about what spiritual or physical things do or do not exist. A good portion of historical world religions have been pantheistic and endorsed the existence of afterlives and gods at the same time. I think a lot of the confusion comes from the fact that Abrahamic religions use "God" with a big "G" to mean "the infinite creator and source of all things," while other religions use "god" with a small "g" to refer to specific types of limited, finite spiritual entities. Most historical religions have had concepts of BOTH a God with a big "G," or a sacred and transcendent source or fabric of all things AND a concept of "gods" as specific spiritual entities that we share our world with. That's also where a lot of confusion about the nature of the Abrahamic God comes from, because half the time they act like their God is the infinite, transcendent Source of everything and half the time they act like he's a finite, limited god who experiences jealousy and anger and gets really mad when people don't follow his somewhat arbitrary rules. I'm actually a little curious about why there aren't more Abrahamic pantheists. About half of their teachings are pantheist (and some of Jesus' statements are REALLY ESPECIALLY pantheist when you reread them after learning about pantheism), but I guess they feel a need to maintain separation between their concept of God and their concept of the world. Long story short, pantheism won't STOP you from getting a personal afterlife. It won't guarantee one either because it makes no specific statements about the matter, but it won't stop you from having one. :P
I'm betting that the dual personalities of God has to do more with control. The Gnostic Gospel was left out of the canon quite intentionally, and Jesus talking about how we are all children of God (not just him) is certainly also played down. Abrahamic pantheist might be an oxymoron, as it's founded on separation between God and humanity (and a third separation, really: everything else, which humanity is free to trash and waste and destroy as it wishes). God in that sense is humanity's excuse for being irresponsible neighbors. I'm sure other species also have gods or God to allow them to assuage similar moral qualms.
Indeed, the G-d of the Old Testament never made any sense to me, even as a child. First grade in Catholic school and I was worried! I could not figure out how we were supposed to love a god who was so bloody mean, and if we didn't may get hit with a bolt of lightening or worse. I had questions! Needless to say my questions were not appreciated, or answered, other than getting whacked with a yardstick! and surely Jesus was not saying HE was the only son of God, in fact one of my favourites of his is "know ye not that ye are gods"? Sadly any attempt to explain that to anyone following one of the "organized" religions is like beating your head against a wall.
@@thehighpriestess978 Oh my sister If we can understand everything for the benefit of the world, for example, we make money and cook and then eat, but alas, we still do not know our real master who created us and the whole universe. There is only one God who has created man with such a beautiful face. And then what a great honor and dignity he has been given to him. And understand. Very sorry, very sorry on our sense.
I agree Catherine. I think pantheism is just a philosophical assessment about God; it is not a religion in itself, nor does it require moral apathy. It kinda leaves these doors open. Much like theism itself does really.
Good and evil in Pantheism: good is that which values life in and of itself, and evil is that which ignores the divine nature of life (wasting it, making it suffer unnecessarily, etc.). If you want, you can go a more biological route, too. Good is that which maintains complexity and stability (because in ecology, the two go hand in hand); and evil is that which reduces complexity and stability. We are ever increasing in complexity and stability as years pass. Cooperation, reliance and interconnection are what have allowed beings such as ourselves to exist, composed of more non-human cells than human ones, who every day eat lifeforms that become quite literally part of us, and who are only just beginning to be capable of reflecting on this awe-inspiring process that brought us here. To infinity! Excelsior!
@@dave1370 You can't really apply morality to existing or not existing. Those are absolute metaphysical states. Morality probably only exists among things that exist. If you don't exist, how are you good, or bad, or anything at all? But, if you already exist, promoting the continued life of other things around you, and opposing that which needlessly wastes life, is beautiful and good; it promotes the continuation of the fabric of existence. To destroy that infinitely-connected web is evil, and wrong. There is no purpose, no grand goal, except that life is, in itself, beautiful. I think life today is more beautiful than purely microscopic life in olden days. Complex beings are only possible now. It's incredible! We're living in the age of wonders, and many (most?) of us don't realize it. This is one of the most important, beautiful and unique times to be alive.
Yes. The host obviously holds deep rooted biased views which interferes with the way he interprets reality. I wouldn't put too much weight into Robert's "personal" opinions.
He's upfront and honest about his biases, though, and I appreciate that. He basically says, "The reason I don't want pantheism to be the case is because I want a soul; I want to live forever." At its heart, pantheism is much closer to atheism than traditional monotheism.
@@anahata3478 It's simply and demonstrably true, however. You may not like gravity, yet you can't (reasonly) argue against the fact that spacetime is distorted by mass. At least as far as we understand things right now, pantheism is the most logical explanation of what we're seeing. The distinction between "individuals" is illusion. Your "body" is 90% non-human cells, several times a day you consume "individuals" which become literally part of you, and you excrete material that becomes part of others. It's an endless and dizzying cycle, it's true. Yet with practice, it opens you to the majesty and beauty of every moment of existence.
We'll never find the highest absolute-truth in this realm, which makes after-life more mysterious than life because who knows, we'll find the answer there-but for now, let's just enjoy this life while respecting the peace and the happiness of others.
God is both, a person and the spark of consciousness in everything and everyone. All of the creation lives in the mind of God and is animated with God's breath.
Apostle Paul Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
The host says Pantheism can’t offer an afterlife. He doesn’t know that consciousness is indeed independent of the brain. Out of body experiences has shown again and again that we can exist outside of our bodies. All consciousness is all part of “God”. We are eternal. But this gets into Reincarnation, and that’s another subject. Peace. ✌️🙂
THE WORD of GOD explains GOD 2Peter 1:19-21 Men Spake as they were Moved by THE HOLY GHOST 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Timothy 3:16, 17 All SCRIPTURE INSPIRED BY GOD 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Psalm 138:2) David declares GOD MAGNIFIES HIS WORD 2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. Isaiah 40:8 GOD'S WORD STANDS FOR EVER! 8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. Proverbs 30:5, 6 EVERY WORD of GOD is PURE 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Sanatani hindus believe that the physical world is just a part of god and that god transcends beyond this physical world. Like consciousness. We call it shiva
Does anybody else get gender envy from the host? Also, one time I had a dream where God (who took the form of a small latino man) told me that we are the universe experiencing itself and that everything is god. So yeah I believe in panthiesm because my mind said it was true before I knew it existed as a religion.
Been trying to get a better idea of Who I Even Am? For the longest time now this Is the closest I gotten. Hated the concept of relying on a Monotheistic Concept done threw the Church if I always felt more connected outside of the Church. So I kind of inbetween calling myself a Spiritual Animistic Pantheist
God is everything and everything is God and there is nothing else. God cannot create anything beyond it’s self because beyond God doesn’t exist,everything that is is within God.
THE WORD of GOD explains GOD 2Peter 1:19-21 Men Spake as they were Moved by THE HOLY GHOST 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Timothy 3:16, 17 All SCRIPTURE INSPIRED BY GOD 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Psalm 138:2) David declares GOD MAGNIFIES HIS WORD 2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. Isaiah 40:8 GOD'S WORD STANDS FOR EVER! 8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. Proverbs 30:5, 6 EVERY WORD of GOD is PURE 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
I was surprised by the lack of clarity on the part of the educated philosophers interviewed. They did not articulate their ideas very clearly at all. I do believe in the possibility of a pantheistic view in a sense. That all of creation is conscious, a kind of super consciousness and we are a part of that consciousness. There is no God in the traditional sense in my view, only consciousness and spiritual awareness is growth in awareness of this reality. That all is one, infinite and good. Evil comes from the actions of people who live in separation, who do not feel connected are not conscious of the connection and are perhaps damaged in some way by life's experience. There is no mystery to the origins of evil. It's just a product of a kind of human dysfunction.
THE WORD of GOD explains GOD 2Peter 1:19-21 Men Spake as they were Moved by THE HOLY GHOST 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Timothy 3:16, 17 All SCRIPTURE INSPIRED BY GOD 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Psalm 138:2) David declares GOD MAGNIFIES HIS WORD 2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. Isaiah 40:8 GOD'S WORD STANDS FOR EVER! 8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. Proverbs 30:5, 6 EVERY WORD of GOD is PURE 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
THE WORD of GOD explains GOD 2Peter 1:19-21 Men Spake as they were Moved by THE HOLY GHOST 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Timothy 3:16, 17 All SCRIPTURE INSPIRED BY GOD 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Psalm 138:2) David declares GOD MAGNIFIES HIS WORD 2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. Isaiah 40:8 GOD'S WORD STANDS FOR EVER! 8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. Proverbs 30:5, 6 EVERY WORD of GOD is PURE 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
"Basic mystery of agency here which we don't understand" is a very good way to put it. It sounds like "God" is the sum of possibilities of Existence trying to realize itself into actual things. However, the very term "God" at this point seems counterproductive. Although more cumbersome, "Mystery of Existence" is a better way to describe it.
The only question that matters is this; Is it possible to “stumble upon” “Truth” by looking into one’s own reflection? “How” or “why” or “when” will my own echo tell me all of the secrets of existence? Will I be aware, can I be aware that I’m really just talking to myself?
In Pantheism the world is God,to a person I am part of the world therefore I am God (ego),of all the creation stories of unrelated civilisations, can God create himself or the herd?In the Universe exist Dark Matter which scientist have yet been able to describe but knows exist.It leaves our understanding of the world so much so incomplete.Then God is indescribable. To little to develop a philosophy to deny a theistic God.Mathematically reducing God in to a formula is like alchemy of the middle ages and alchemy never got anyone anywhere..This is a great show.Thank you!
Well, Newton was kinda alchemist, like member of occult group searching for philosopher's stone and such. Few years ago they hit a rock further away from Pluto, within 30 kilometers margin of error, maybe even meters precision using Newton's ideas, so he was no idiot.
The third interview subject seems to be conflating pantheism with panpsychism. But the fourth guy was spot on. The others were interesting but weren't really talking about pantheism as it's typically understood. The fourth interview subject described it accurately.
@@riverwild348 They're not mutually exclusive but they're different concepts. The fact that they're not mutually exclusive doesn't mean they can't be conflated. Panpsychism is the idea that mind is a property of all matter whereas pantheism regards the collective whole of all that exists as an impersonal deity.
I've always liked Spinoza's perspective. I also quite like what I interpret to be Wittgenstein's - that there is some ineffable quality to the world - or at least our experience of the world - that inspires deep awe and reverence, and though this quality is beyond language, it is still somehow expressed in its showing (and since music is a core part of my life, I would add playing) ... ... and I agree with the others here who express a great fondness for this channel, for - even though I often disagree, esp wrt much of the religiosity - this fondness is one I share.
No pantheist ever advocated God being the world. If that were true, there would be a trillion trillion gods in the universe. It's the universe itself that is God in pantheism.
As a person who speaks many languages, born in an Arab country, and familiar with many Eastern and Western religions, I assure you that all heavenly and earthly religions and all their messengers, Muhammad, Christ jesus, Moses, Buddha, all originally believe in the unity of existence, the universe as one unit with all its parts
Most answers are found in the conglomerate of Hindu Philosophies too. From atheism to theism to polytheism and pantheism. Besides being pure energy God is also pure consciousness. He, She, or simply It exists and animates the whole Universe and its conscious life forms. It is both the manifest universe as well as the unmanifest. So what is Its purpose in creation? They vary from a dream play of It (Brahman) of its own as in Advaita (illusion) to a specific purpose of raising entities believed sentient but lost in the vast darkness (Saiva Siddhantam). Souls an infinite number as darkness Itself. So God violates the darkness in Its Absolute Love in Pure consciousness to bring these entities into being so that they may evolve in love to become just like It. Evil or for the matter even good is an illusion stemming from this darkness of ignorances of a sort. This latter philosophy is deemed a Divine Pedagogical play. The former is mere Self Play. The individual entities that realize this within not without as in the physical creation will come to this conclusion in the many experiences of life's journey. Becoming absolute Love themselves in total unity with the Universe aka Divine Itself. That is Moksha or Final Liberation.
On the second last conversation: I don’t think you simply add the sticker of God to the natural world and signs by endorsing pantheism. Instead you unite those things with the realms of philosophy, spirituality, religion etc. If it is a sticker it is a uniting sticker surely?
The range of possibilities, or Logos, or Akashic Record, or as in the Bible, it's called the Word, and it is with god. Even in the Bible, when asked by Moses of "His" nature... the reply was "I am, that I am". If the eternally infinite multiverse IS God, then it is conscious through us and other possible beings. Evil is a human creation, and god's personhood may be a continuum of all possible "persons". Remember, true infinity, like absolute zero, or lightspeed, can never be reached, only eternally approached. Until recently, through this program, I learned of the word pantheism, and it's meaning. It seems to best fit ideas I've felt were true throughout my life... thank you for that. Just having the word to encapsulate the concept has streamlined my thoughts.
Pantheism doesn't have to deal with the issue of evil because what is evil? Nature just is, good and evil are qualities we assign. I do think there is however some intrinsic relation in nature between good and growth, and evil and destruction, poles of the same spectrum.
Yes, you can still form a moral system to say: good is that which values life in and of itself, and evil is that which ignores the divine nature of life. If you want, you can go a more biological route, too. Good is that which maintains complexity and stability (because in ecology, the two go hand in hand); and evil is that which reduces complexity and stability. We are ever increasing in complexity and stability as years pass. Cooperation, reliance and interconnection are the fabric of the Universe.
Apostle Paul Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
The concept of God is defined by humans. There have been many different concepts of God from the different peoples on earth and also throughout history, all explained by humans to humans. I am comfortable defining God as everything, as pantheists do. But I really don't see the need for a concept of God. I believe in everything I can see or can sense. Everything that exists undeniably exists and I am happy with that. Humans cannot comprehend infinite space or time and certainly we cannot comprehend how or when the universe started, but we do know that it is here and it's OK to accept that, period.
9:15 The red head guy, when he speaks reminds me of the priest in the princess bride. Mawage, Mawage is that bwessed awangement that bwings us togetha today"
I respect the efforts being made here, but there seems something parochial about this line of questioning re the nature of God. It's the baggage of anthropocentrism based in Judeo-Christian assumptions. I'm constantly asking myself... are philosophers of much more advanced civilisations elsewhere throughout the cosmos, asking the same kinds of questions?
I like the opposite approach. There are no philosophers of more advanced civilizations asking the same questions. We are all there is, and we are the most advanced civilization, so we better ask the right questions.
Probably they are formulating other questions. Regarding the nature of the Ultimate Reality in order to understand and accomplish time travel, How to create a state of consciousness,capable of reaching and surpassing their own limitation of comprehension of reality, in order to learn new realities.
@@ronalds.658 The likelihood that we are the only advanced civilization in existence is extremely improbable to the point where it can be all but rejected. I think those who wish to deny the possibility and live with their heads in the sand are mathematically ignorant and also obsessed with the idea of humans being "special." The "specialness" of humanity given by Christianity, Judaism and Islam allow us to justify trashing it as we please, subjugating it for our own use as having absolutely no worth or value beyond what it does for humanity. If there were a species more intelligent and dominant than us, it would probably invent religions to allow it to do the same, and we would look on in horror. It is evil.
Jeremiah 10: THE TRUE GOD - THE GREAT GOD 6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. 7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee. 10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. 11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens. 12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. 13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. Exodus 15:1-8,10,11 MOSES - What He has to say about GOD 1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea. 2 The Lord is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him. 3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name. 4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea. 5 The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone. 6 Thy right hand, O Lord, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O Lord, hath dashed in pieces the enemy. 7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble. 8 And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea. 10 Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters. 11 Who is like unto thee, O Lord, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?
Every single living creature is living in the singularity of a black hole filled with infinite potential of mind and consciences. We aren’t moving away from the center. We are the center drifting away from every other center of the universe because we are all moving closer to the singularity of all, the centers of all the universes and Big Bangs will one day be crammed into a space a plank length in diameter, and that right there in essence is God.
Advaita Vedanta compatible with Spinoza's philosophy, and as to the author's desire for what may be called personal salvation, (even with an afterlife), there's room for that in the works of Shankara. Thus, one can be a Panetheist and a believer in an after-physical life. In any event, one can tap into the all-pervasive Absolute nature of the Universe (Sat-Chit-Ananda) by listening to "Mahamritunjaya Mantra - Sacred Sounds Choir", and "Om Namah Shivaya - Shivananda Adi" Listen to each for 5 min per day for two weeks and enjoy experiencing your own nondual identity as "One" with Pure Consciousness.
I always think that panentheism makes more sense but even with that it gets complicated as to the boundary of reality .for example in a multiverse and one universe created another,as black holes possibly do,is the boundary the created universe or the multiverse?if the latter then hard panentheism and pantheism are effectively the same.
Quantum mechanics, and specifically the Higgs particle, argue for Pantheism. As each particle is a density of energy, then each particle is a manifestation of an underlying energetic reality, an energetic Being. Everything, then, resides with the "bucket of Being." My personal experience, however, says that this Absolute ground of Being is personal in its own way.
There's a preceding eternity where evolution should have finished by now, or even happened repeatedly. Teleology is attractive but seems unjustifiable.
Xspot box If a thoughtful human can conceive of this as immanent now in the experience of everyday life on this planet, why would there be a need for consolidation? It’s location of consciousness is an intersection of time and space; that is, finite reality.
@@freedommascot Perhaps God want to turn us into a stone, those behave perfectly and function as a well oiled machine, so he can forget about those self regulating parts potentially causing him problems. Obviously not and nature made tinny surface of our planet alive and kicking back against entropy for a reason. .
The material world no more represents the totality of God's being than your own thoughts and dreams represent the totality of your being. However, if one looks into Panentheism as opposed to Pantheism, then one will not only find that which is inherent in Pantheism, but also that which is inherent in the Abrahamic religions regarding the existence of the sentient and self-aware "I Am-ness" of a personal God to whom the material world belongs (again, just as your own thoughts and dreams belong to you).
Ultimate, ' just as your own thoughts and dreams belong to you" - the question must be asked who is this 'you' if in fact Panentheism is the std. model or even Pantheism is ( the model); it is this 'you' that seems to allude many-a-person. If one observes thier waking state, dream and even sleep ( if that is possible), who is the observer? It is this observer , as it seems to me, is that original non-varying 'you'. To call it 'you' is a pickle and distracts from its complete and total subjectivity of it. It is the final-subjective Being that views . Calling it 'you' throws us off the scent. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this matter....
@@frank1803 I suggest that the "you" is the invisible entity (the Cartesian "I am") that sits at the throne of the inner-dimension of your mind. It is that conscious and self-aware, central locus of your inner-being that wields and wills the infinitely malleable fabric of your thoughts and dreams into anything it desires, including forming that fabric into the shape of a question that asks "who is this 'you'?". Furthermore, in the context of Pantheism there is no universal "I am-ness" (no self-aware universal soul/God). Whereas, on the other hand, in Panentheism, such a soul is possible, of which I suggest that our souls (our inner "you(s)") are its literal replications (its literal offspring) who momentarily exist as its "embryos," so to speak, who have yet to be fully-born. And with the above in mind, I propose that only in the event of physical death will our full birthing process be completed, which, in turn, will finally allow us to see and understand what our "you(s)" (and God) really are. ("...Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again..." - KJV) Frank Here, if you are truly interested in hearing more of my thoughts on this matter, then have a look at the more than 100 drawings and illustrations I created to explain the theory. Here - www.theultimateseeds.com - and let me know what you think. _______
When we talk, we're using symbols to talk about referents. Sometimes, one symbol can have multiple referents-- "free speech" vs. "free beer" is maybe an example-- and of course that's a frequent problem in philosophy, where we can't always agree on which referents are in actuality different, in part because we're talking about highly abstract concepts. But other times, one referent can have multiple symbols. I appreciate the recognition here that there are multiple kinds of pantheism. However, for many kinds of pantheism, it seems to me that "pantheism" is just a different symbol for the same thing "atheism" refers to. Of course, neither symbol is preferable, any more than one language is better than another. Yet we are just as easily confused by aliased symbols as by aliased referents.
I am a pantheistic Muslim. In the tradition of Sufism everything is God. Everyone is God. Fa'ainama tuwallu wajhullah. Wherever you face (externally or internally) it's all God. Laa ilaaha illallah. Nothing is here. Only God is here. Nothing exists. Only God exists. Infinite Love is the only truth. Everything else is illusion. This Sufism came from Alhalaj, Syaikh Abdul Qodir Jailani, and Syekh Siti Jenar. Allahuakbar 🙏🙏🙏
Lawrence Robert Khun, thank you for your insightful shows. Could you cover a show on Islamic theology and the nature of God in Islam, and/or Kalam. It would be fascinating. Because I noticed that the Islamic conception of God is by far the strongest.
But things written in Quran have been debunked completely. And the Islamic God is non other than the Judeo-Christian God, so why don’t you find the same fascination or even consider it to be one God it self ?
@@mitulkabutarwala2504 They have been debunked only in the minds of the hateful anti-muslims with their hateful youtube channels fabricating this nonsense and misleading the masses as a result, not in reality. Anyways wheather it has been debunked or not is irrelevant, their is no doubt that Islam places the strongest emphasis on God, more than any other religion and has the strongest arguments for it, even modern Christian philosophers get their arguments from Muslim philosophers.
WHO AM I ? FOR THE SAKE OF A NEW STORY .. I AM THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS MADE INTO SPIRIT, BLESSED WITH THE TEN COMENDMENTS IN COUNSCIOUS AND I DWELL IN THE HOLY SPIRIT. BEYOND THAT I HAVE FULL CONCIOUSNESS WITH POWER OVER THE SPIRIT...
What these people left out is that the Universe includes our consciousnesses. I would say further that everything has consciousness to varying degrees. We and everyone and everything is Source, or Supreme Being. Individualized. Experiencing itself. Peace ✌️
God is just a concept, a word that defines nothing or maybe some kind of human feeling. God "exists" only because the word "God" exists. Imagine a universe or a world without the word "God", in that case will God exist? No.
I'm not sure 'religion' or 'dogma' is relevant here. You can be spiritual and non religious and still pray. I don't think we should discard the concept of God but for me, God and spirituality should be connected. This is why this video is interesting for me. Yet, none of the commenters even mentioned spirituality. Just God as the universe...
Each quantum particle is God like, by definition, since every particle's influence extend all around the universe, can't be destroyed or created, exist independent from universal substance and bend space time.
@@ferdinandkraft857 Are you sure, why can we see universe than? let's suppose universe has borders, go far away enough and you could see light from all stuff that exist. But when you try to see what is this light and get closer, glare start to fade away and light disperse into infinite amount of bright dots. Pick a direction and approach closer, those dots became shaped like a river, connected into galactic filaments. Chose one grain of glowing sand and zoom in, light disperse into stars, floating inside clouds of gas. Look at one star and see it's a shell of ice and asteroids, with planets inside, all swirling in some direction around bright light at the center of balance. Approach our planet and look at tiny, wet bio habitat shell surrounding it, one of those self guided creatures is a human. Look in his eyes and you will see spark of light, this tinny glowing dot of radiation source is what image of entire universe must be constructed from,if end of the universe can exist. It's everywhere at one, in an eye of that man and in what we could see entire universe is at once.
@@xspotbox4400 we can't "see the universe". We've very narrow windows to look at specific epochs of the universe, in certain wavelengths, with resolution inversely proportional to distance. A few pieces in a huge puzzle. All the other pieces must be extrapolated from our current models. And the models are always subject to change, that's why you can't take them as dogma.
It's more useful to ask what about God is different from the cosmos. If there's no difference Occam's razor would require that we not use two different words. But is the statement "God is the cosmos" necessary to pantheism? Maybe the cosmos considered as the sum of its parts can be "the cosmos" and there's something about it that's greater than the sum of its parts that is "God" so we need two different words.
We are merely a cell that makes up a bigger collective. The infinite collective of all those conceivable "bigger" collectives is the Universal Pantheistic God.
In my humble opinion, I think of God as being pure energy. Energy is pervasive throughout the universe. God is everything and everywhere. I see myself as a bit of energy drawn from a vast ocean of energy that becomes me. When I die, I cease to exist as the individual me and go back to that vast ocean of energy. I become one with everything else.
then would you believe that the energy that was you could become the energy that is an animal or another person? like reincarnation?
@@farisal-said1772 Pure energy is in everything. Reincarnation is just one of the many possibilities. I am just one drop in a vast ocean of energy. I lose my individuality and become one with all. All is one.
@@anahata3478 I thank you for your suggestion. I have looked into it. It's not right for me. I think we each need to find out own path to our own truth. My truth for me is pantheism.
God as pure energy might not be the most accurate, but it's about as meaningful a shorthand as we have for what God is. Describing this unity is extremely difficult, which is why the Hindus invented a sound and symbol for it, om: ॐ
Spinoza's idea (which even managed to attract the atheist in the video) is that God is in the infinite forms beyond what we understand. We just have two: the physical and mental. Energy (and mass) would fall into the category of the physical. Spinoza suggests there are possibly an infinite number of categories beyond our comprehension, and God - or Nature, if you like - comprises all of them. We don't see everything, essentially is the claim. We can't see the workings of atoms and we barely understand how quantum mechanics work. Einstein demonstrated that space and time are equivalent, and we're still grappling with that incredible fact. Even the observations and sense perceptions of an ant are beyond our very narrow understanding. All of these myriad forms of the world are God, including those we as very simplistic and recent descendants of wild apes can not conceive.
@@dogchaser520 I wonder if God can be understood by us humans. Our minds and brains are limited. I think 🤔 each person has to find the answer for him or herself. What's true for one person may not be true for another. All I know is what is true for me. Truth is relative to us humans. There is also the truth that is universal and goes beyond us humans. I thank you for your comment and view.
I am a Pantheist. Spinoza has me convinced. Deep peace to you all!
I am too.
Better Pantheism has a sense than atheism.
I would say Spinoza is closer to panentheism in that everything is God but that God is also the creator.
@@tajzikria5307 No, God is not creator in Spinoza. If how universe began through the big bang without creator. That is Spinoza God.
Dark Matter, Dark Energy, single point dense and Big Bang and everything invisible and visible are part Divine entity.
According to Atheist Universe began without God. But according to Pantheist , universe began with God. God did not create universe. But Universe was with God from the beginning
@@tajzikria5307 Spinoza identifies god with nature, not something beyond nature that creates nature. As panentheism is usually characterized, nature is in god but god is more than nature. You don't find that in Spinoza.
We are the universe trying to figure itself out.
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Carl Sagan
But also Alan Watts.
We are a dream inside God's mind.
@@313jacob a creator god's mind
I'm still a staunch atheist but about 15 years ago in my early 20 I came to this concept by myself and became fascinated by it, incorporated it into my storytelling. I only learned pantheism was an established philosophical idea a couple of months ago, and felt so validated and conflicted at the same time haha. It definitely rekindled my examination of the concept.
I consider myself a pantheist because I’ve come to find God to be imperfect - struggling to get things right and failing more often than not, but still creating better, more life-affirming and more moral existences through the struggle, working these difficulties out in the universe. So the “problem of evil” in my pantheistic view comes from God failing. And my pantheism certainly doesn’t include any salvation - personal or impersonal. This short life is my story. I’ll be happy to close the book on it in time, and let other stories flourish.
Maybe 'God' is just the very fabric and structure of existence itself. I think we need to get away from the idea of God as a 'being' that has a mind, agenda, makes decisions etc. I'm just spit balling here, but God could be the the energy that underlies everything, and it just let's itself go for eternity in a sort of cosmic game, just to see how far out it can get.. with all kinds of life, complexity, experience etc. But I feel like it would have some randomness to it, rather than knowing what's going to happen. Without randomness existence would be boring, and you would never be able to have anything 'new'. I don't hold any beliefs in this, but it is fun to think about. I mean if you were god, what else would you do for eternity?
I like the notion of imperfect.... but from the notion of God being everything, it ( being impersonal) must be able to create/be all things which must include perfect and imperfect, infinite and finite, bounded and unbounded, It ( this Impersonal) must be the home of all possibilities, so every possibility must be inherent in It.
( so is my thinking)
@@frank1803 I like your thinking! :)
That's why that in biology and in cosmology there's evolution, different, but also evolution.
The universe is random.
It sounds more like anti pantheism propaganda lol
The narrator keeps saying "I don't like that pantheism doesn't offer personal immortality". Well, man. This is not a question of personal preference, this is a quest for truth. I don't like that fire is hot or water is wet, but it's not up to me to choose. You can't discard pantheism just because you want the world to work in a certain way.
Agree we simply don't want to accept all we have is the time we have now
Not sure if anyone is reading this at some point but still I'd like to mention that we simply cannot know what is the bigger truth. We have the ability to think logicly but yet our mind is just too small, our knowledge too little to understand what will be or what was out of our own existence. Therefore our beliefs don't represent the truth but our way to imagine it. So to accept pantheism or not to is our decision. And that decision depends only on our comfort within the specific philosophy.
Reality doesn't care what you like or prefer.
@@diogenes5574there is simply no perspective of the universe thatll see the whole of itself
Exactly! "It doesn't feed my ego. So, it's incorrect."
I feel pantheism is very very close to what science has to offer.
Atheism is closer
@@downwinder3 I’m in between. I believe that there’s a possibility of a higher power and if there is one, it’s most likely not a personal or individualistic god but more so an energy or source. It’s beyond our understanding and beyond our constructs. It isn’t human, male or female but just simply a higher power
@@downwinder3 Atheism is nonsense. Universe begin without God is nonsense
Spinoza view universe begin with God. Without God ,without universe. Atheism says universe came from Big Bang and Bing Bang came from 𝘂𝗻𝗶𝗺𝗮𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗯𝗹𝘆 𝗵𝗼𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗲 𝗽𝗼𝗶𝗻𝘁. And Big Bang expand bez of Dark Energy. Spinoza stated everything is part of Divine entity what if Dark Energy is God himself and 𝘂𝗻𝗶𝗺𝗮𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗯𝗹𝘆 𝗵𝗼𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗱𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗲 𝗽𝗼𝗶𝗻𝘁 is the way of God to start the universe. Take God of Spinoza is not like God of Traditional belief of Theism like Christian and Muslim.
Traditional Theist belief universe created by God
while Spinoza belief God is the cause why universe begun. Atheist belief universe start no God, it seem you believe universe started without Big Bang lol. Spinoza stated everything is God and God is everything. If God is everything we can say God himself is a Big Bang or Dark Energy cuz the universe to start at single dense point and began to expand and expand. Pantheim has sense compare to fucking nonsense Atheism.
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2Peter 1:19-21 Men Spake as they were Moved by THE HOLY GHOST
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2Timothy 3:16, 17 All SCRIPTURE INSPIRED BY GOD
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Psalm 138:2) David declares GOD MAGNIFIES HIS WORD
2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Isaiah 40:8 GOD'S WORD STANDS FOR EVER!
8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Proverbs 30:5, 6 EVERY WORD of GOD is PURE
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
What I know is I am Naturalist, who loves nature, appreciate umderstand beyond my morals and emotions, I thought Nature is the god himself there is no separation including me, I didn't know there was a coin for that and in my surprised I am a Pantheist.
Call Reality 'God' and keep exploring It from within.
I always thought of God as not a being, but rather that energy that makes up everything at the atomic level. The magnetism that draws elements together, and splits them apart. When you view it this way, you see that "God" is essentially everything. That's why you should have respect and reverence for... everything. From the ground you walk on, the air you breathe, and absolutely everything in between. Use it and appreciate it and it can "bless you", abuse it and misuse it and it can "wreak havoc upon you".
If God is energy, then we have to have to understand the Energy first. Energy does not have mind, wisdom and intellect to bind everything perfectly and work even outside of that perfection when the Will comes. So Energy is devoid of any wisdom, it cannot create fine tuned universe, it can only create randomness and chaos all over. So an intelligent being can only produce the Energy and use it in a fine manner, not Energy because of the lack of wisdom.
Energy is never wasted it just changes forms,I believe
its a living force that has a highly evolved concious intellect.
The question I always ask myself is "was god a human being at one point?" did He/She transcend reality,space,and time,and how?,did He/she create his own paralell dimension with new universes that reflected the exact oppisite of the natural universes? And why certain species on earth have tendencies to evolve right before our very eyes.
Saint Paul “We Live Move & Have Our Being In God”
Baruch Spinoza & Karl Christian Friedrich Krause would smile and say well we told you so, actually you have to dig deeper until you understand panentheism than you could try to understand God!
I look pantheism as a definition for the ultimate reality, it is absolutely elegant as mathematics. There are science and poetry in Pantheism. it s a collection of ideas about the universe as an existential organism, it seems to be the sum of beings with consciousness capable of being creative ignorant, violent fearful, curious, compassionate, and blissful. It is the source that makes us to search for Truth.
Interesting video, I love the channel!!
I come from a theistic background, but being unsatisfied with the explanations I looked into the worlds other spiritual practices to try to gain a better understanding.
For several years I have been practicing sadhana prescribed by Indian Reshis and gurus.
I had no concept of pantheism as you describe it here in the beginning, but slowly my understanding has evolved from not knowing what god could be into seeing how everything in existence Could indeed be God.
Now I think that is true, as I continue the practices, it becomes clearer to me.
We should consider using the terms “knowledge” and “ignorance” when discussing the good and evil phenomenon.
It changes the discussion dramatically.
I think that there’s is some spiritual training that individuals must do before we can understand the nature of our existence.
At some point in the distant future I think science and human understanding will evolve to the point where we can verify Gods existence and understand God.
I think what we find will be something very different than what most people are expecting.
Correct explanation. Sir, we do need some spiritual practices like meditation, yoga etc... to understand GOD within us & outside of us too. This is what I learnt from Hinduism. MeenaC
Let me get this straight: the desire for personal immortality is strong. Pantheism doesn't provide this. Therefore pantheism is false?
Yeah I picked up on that. He says he cannot support Pantheism because it does not offer eternal life. For him to be satisfied there must be an after life. I think that's extremely narrow minded and adopting this sort of thinking will never get him or anyone else for that matter Closer To The Truth.
The documentary maker is a fool ... 🤷🏿♂️, pantheism is simply a fancy way of discussing ancient beliefs , Zeus, ra , sun worship , nature worship, animism , spirituality , ifa, vodooo, the western scientist all follow a Abrahamic chaotic view of existence to keep the matrix running . Anything next to nature needs to be discredited to keep this sham up😂
Christine Ruis exactly , we go back to Mother Earth , we come from earth and we will go back , and then the energy force that is us will be used in another form
People often attack Pantheism and Deism because they don't provide eternal life, that's just sad and shows how humans are afraid of everything that doesn't go in hand with their emotions.
The ego is powerful if you let take control, and it wants to live forever, so people will lie to themselves because it's more comforting to them. Praising god and living for all eternity would be hell to me. Sounds awful.
Why there is no mystery, because we are discovering and understanding each and everything day by day, year by year.
In pantheism, God is not a supernatural being or a miracle thing but a truth which go with the science and logic
The world is a mode of God as it is conceived through God.
I searched about my beliefs and i found out that it's called 'Pantheism', now I'm here to learn more about it.
From my observation most religions and people who discuss God assume that God is the starting point for everything. However, if energy, which is more fundamental, universally observable to everything, is considered the starting point, then I believe the question should be:
Is it possible for energy to become aware of itself, in other words, become self-conscious? And relative to first "cause," how would we as human beings, observe and measure this truth in the "effect" from our own individual experience and actions?
i am just amazed that this show on youtube has so little views per video....for so deep conversations, this should indirectly "tell" me something?!?
Directly.
As a Pantheist I feel that good and evil is just a part of the nature of consciousness. Does the Universe care about good and evil? At the beginning , end and everything in between does the Universe care? Morality is a construct of mortality. Mortality Is a state of consciousness. We choose good or evil depending on what we feel about them. Our reaction from choices are a part of the Universe. Like the ebb and flow of a tide. A choice is like throwing a tin of paint on a canvas, you cannot accurately predict the pattern that it will leave. It’s chaotic and alive at the point of impact and when the paint dries the pattern remains. I love that I can validate my spirituality to my creator through science and observation of my self and nature.
THE WORD of GOD explains GOD
2Peter 1:19-21 Men Spake as they were Moved by THE HOLY GHOST
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2Timothy 3:16, 17 All SCRIPTURE INSPIRED BY GOD
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Psalm 138:2) David declares GOD MAGNIFIES HIS WORD
2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Isaiah 40:8 GOD'S WORD STANDS FOR EVER!
8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Proverbs 30:5, 6 EVERY WORD of GOD is PURE
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Thank you for this thoughtful presentation. I haven't seen this school of pantheists before, and I'd be fascinated to see how they'd interact with the pagan pantheists who tend to have a much wider range of religious experiences and philosophies than the most people in the modern world are generally exposed to or take seriously. I think they'd have some very fruitful discussions.
One thing I want to note is that, as far as I understand it, pantheism doesn't *exclude* ideas like gods (with a small "g") and afterlives. It simply doesn't *require* them. Pantheism is more a way of thinking about the sacred and transcendent nature of the universe than it is a specific statement about what spiritual or physical things do or do not exist. A good portion of historical world religions have been pantheistic and endorsed the existence of afterlives and gods at the same time.
I think a lot of the confusion comes from the fact that Abrahamic religions use "God" with a big "G" to mean "the infinite creator and source of all things," while other religions use "god" with a small "g" to refer to specific types of limited, finite spiritual entities. Most historical religions have had concepts of BOTH a God with a big "G," or a sacred and transcendent source or fabric of all things AND a concept of "gods" as specific spiritual entities that we share our world with.
That's also where a lot of confusion about the nature of the Abrahamic God comes from, because half the time they act like their God is the infinite, transcendent Source of everything and half the time they act like he's a finite, limited god who experiences jealousy and anger and gets really mad when people don't follow his somewhat arbitrary rules.
I'm actually a little curious about why there aren't more Abrahamic pantheists. About half of their teachings are pantheist (and some of Jesus' statements are REALLY ESPECIALLY pantheist when you reread them after learning about pantheism), but I guess they feel a need to maintain separation between their concept of God and their concept of the world.
Long story short, pantheism won't STOP you from getting a personal afterlife. It won't guarantee one either because it makes no specific statements about the matter, but it won't stop you from having one. :P
I'm betting that the dual personalities of God has to do more with control. The Gnostic Gospel was left out of the canon quite intentionally, and Jesus talking about how we are all children of God (not just him) is certainly also played down.
Abrahamic pantheist might be an oxymoron, as it's founded on separation between God and humanity (and a third separation, really: everything else, which humanity is free to trash and waste and destroy as it wishes). God in that sense is humanity's excuse for being irresponsible neighbors. I'm sure other species also have gods or God to allow them to assuage similar moral qualms.
Indeed, the G-d of the Old Testament never made any sense to me, even as a child. First grade in Catholic school and I was worried! I could not figure out how we were supposed to love a god who was so bloody mean, and if we didn't may get hit with a bolt of lightening or worse. I had questions! Needless to say my questions were not appreciated, or answered, other than getting whacked with a yardstick! and surely Jesus was not saying HE was the only son of God, in fact one of my favourites of his is "know ye not that ye are gods"? Sadly any attempt to explain that to anyone following one of the "organized" religions is like beating your head against a wall.
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Oh my sister If we can understand everything for the benefit of the world, for example, we make money and cook and then eat, but alas, we still do not know our real master who created us and the whole universe. There is only one God who has created man with such a beautiful face. And then what a great honor and dignity he has been given to him. And understand. Very sorry, very sorry on our sense.
I agree Catherine. I think pantheism is just a philosophical assessment about God; it is not a religion in itself, nor does it require moral apathy. It kinda leaves these doors open. Much like theism itself does really.
I am a panentheist. God is personal, both transcendent and immanent. The universe is within the womb of God.
Vishisthadvaita
Pantheism : Create your own Reality. Nice and Comfortable. :-) So close your eyes and choose your own version, and be Happy.
Mainstream theologians do the same thing.
Good and evil in Pantheism: good is that which values life in and of itself, and evil is that which ignores the divine nature of life (wasting it, making it suffer unnecessarily, etc.).
If you want, you can go a more biological route, too. Good is that which maintains complexity and stability (because in ecology, the two go hand in hand); and evil is that which reduces complexity and stability. We are ever increasing in complexity and stability as years pass. Cooperation, reliance and interconnection are what have allowed beings such as ourselves to exist, composed of more non-human cells than human ones, who every day eat lifeforms that become quite literally part of us, and who are only just beginning to be capable of reflecting on this awe-inspiring process that brought us here. To infinity! Excelsior!
what makes existing better than not existing in a moral sense?
@@dave1370 You can't really apply morality to existing or not existing. Those are absolute metaphysical states. Morality probably only exists among things that exist. If you don't exist, how are you good, or bad, or anything at all? But, if you already exist, promoting the continued life of other things around you, and opposing that which needlessly wastes life, is beautiful and good; it promotes the continuation of the fabric of existence. To destroy that infinitely-connected web is evil, and wrong. There is no purpose, no grand goal, except that life is, in itself, beautiful. I think life today is more beautiful than purely microscopic life in olden days. Complex beings are only possible now. It's incredible! We're living in the age of wonders, and many (most?) of us don't realize it. This is one of the most important, beautiful and unique times to be alive.
Is it me or is Robert rejecting pantheism simply for emotional reasons?
The guys he talked to were not very inspiring with their explanations.
Yes. The host obviously holds deep rooted biased views which interferes with the way he interprets reality. I wouldn't put too much weight into Robert's "personal" opinions.
Robert is biased , he is not satisfied to know the his emotional desire ia rejected in pantheism.
He's upfront and honest about his biases, though, and I appreciate that. He basically says, "The reason I don't want pantheism to be the case is because I want a soul; I want to live forever." At its heart, pantheism is much closer to atheism than traditional monotheism.
@@anahata3478 It's simply and demonstrably true, however. You may not like gravity, yet you can't (reasonly) argue against the fact that spacetime is distorted by mass. At least as far as we understand things right now, pantheism is the most logical explanation of what we're seeing. The distinction between "individuals" is illusion. Your "body" is 90% non-human cells, several times a day you consume "individuals" which become literally part of you, and you excrete material that becomes part of others. It's an endless and dizzying cycle, it's true. Yet with practice, it opens you to the majesty and beauty of every moment of existence.
We'll never find the highest absolute-truth in this realm, which makes after-life more mysterious than life because who knows, we'll find the answer there-but for now, let's just enjoy this life while respecting the peace and the happiness of others.
God is both, a person and the spark of consciousness in everything and everyone. All of the creation lives in the mind of God and is animated with God's breath.
Apostle Paul
Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
The host says Pantheism can’t offer an afterlife. He doesn’t know that consciousness is indeed independent of the brain. Out of body experiences has shown again and again that we can exist outside of our bodies. All consciousness is all part of “God”. We are eternal. But this gets into Reincarnation, and that’s another subject. Peace. ✌️🙂
The quest for truth is what defines this civilization.......
Yes, sure, "there is a problem of Evil for a pantheist (...)" and this problem is called Humanity.
THE WORD of GOD explains GOD
2Peter 1:19-21 Men Spake as they were Moved by THE HOLY GHOST
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2Timothy 3:16, 17 All SCRIPTURE INSPIRED BY GOD
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Psalm 138:2) David declares GOD MAGNIFIES HIS WORD
2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Isaiah 40:8 GOD'S WORD STANDS FOR EVER!
8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Proverbs 30:5, 6 EVERY WORD of GOD is PURE
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Wonderful discussions. I could learn about pantheism. Thanks, Mr Kuhn
Sanatani hindus believe that the physical world is just a part of god and that god transcends beyond this physical world. Like consciousness. We call it shiva
Does anybody else get gender envy from the host? Also, one time I had a dream where God (who took the form of a small latino man) told me that we are the universe experiencing itself and that everything is god. So yeah I believe in panthiesm because my mind said it was true before I knew it existed as a religion.
Been trying to get a better idea of Who I Even Am? For the longest time now this Is the closest I gotten. Hated the concept of relying on a Monotheistic Concept done threw the Church if I always felt more connected outside of the Church. So I kind of inbetween calling myself a
Spiritual Animistic Pantheist
“Your task is not to seek for God, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”
― Rumi
Richard Swinburne made a fantastic point at 24:48 .
God is everything and everything is God and there is nothing else.
God cannot create anything beyond it’s self because beyond God doesn’t exist,everything that is is within God.
THE WORD of GOD explains GOD
2Peter 1:19-21 Men Spake as they were Moved by THE HOLY GHOST
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2Timothy 3:16, 17 All SCRIPTURE INSPIRED BY GOD
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Psalm 138:2) David declares GOD MAGNIFIES HIS WORD
2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Isaiah 40:8 GOD'S WORD STANDS FOR EVER!
8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Proverbs 30:5, 6 EVERY WORD of GOD is PURE
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
We are god the world is god and we as a collective came together to create this world and us in gods image…
I was surprised by the lack of clarity on the part of the educated philosophers interviewed. They did not articulate their ideas very clearly at all. I do believe in the possibility of a pantheistic view in a sense. That all of creation is conscious, a kind of super consciousness and we are a part of that consciousness. There is no God in the traditional sense in my view, only consciousness and spiritual awareness is growth in awareness of this reality. That all is one, infinite and good. Evil comes from the actions of people who live in separation, who do not feel connected are not conscious of the connection and are perhaps damaged in some way by life's experience. There is no mystery to the origins of evil. It's just a product of a kind of human dysfunction.
Facts. couldn't have said it any better.
evil things created by humans, thoughts, and actions. "to think is to create"
THE WORD of GOD explains GOD
2Peter 1:19-21 Men Spake as they were Moved by THE HOLY GHOST
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2Timothy 3:16, 17 All SCRIPTURE INSPIRED BY GOD
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Psalm 138:2) David declares GOD MAGNIFIES HIS WORD
2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Isaiah 40:8 GOD'S WORD STANDS FOR EVER!
8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Proverbs 30:5, 6 EVERY WORD of GOD is PURE
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
If there is a God, it should not be so illusive. If you're a father, you won't hide from your children. You WANT them to know and see you.
Its me son,i am done hiding,i'm coming home !
a beautiful programme as usual.
Is it me or doesn’t this sound like Shinto where Kami is energy and Kami is in everything and everywhere
Yes my friend
THE WORD of GOD explains GOD
2Peter 1:19-21 Men Spake as they were Moved by THE HOLY GHOST
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2Timothy 3:16, 17 All SCRIPTURE INSPIRED BY GOD
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Psalm 138:2) David declares GOD MAGNIFIES HIS WORD
2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Isaiah 40:8 GOD'S WORD STANDS FOR EVER!
8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Proverbs 30:5, 6 EVERY WORD of GOD is PURE
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
"Basic mystery of agency here which we don't understand" is a very good way to put it. It sounds like "God" is the sum of possibilities of Existence trying to realize itself into actual things. However, the very term "God" at this point seems counterproductive. Although more cumbersome, "Mystery of Existence" is a better way to describe it.
The only question that matters is this; Is it possible to “stumble upon” “Truth” by looking into one’s own reflection? “How” or “why” or “when” will my own echo tell me all of the secrets of existence? Will I be aware, can I be aware that I’m really just talking to myself?
In Pantheism the world is God,to a person I am part of the world therefore I am God (ego),of all the creation stories of unrelated civilisations, can God create himself or the herd?In the Universe exist Dark Matter which scientist have yet been able to describe but knows exist.It leaves our understanding of the world so much so incomplete.Then God is indescribable. To little to develop a philosophy to deny a theistic God.Mathematically reducing God in to a formula is like alchemy of the middle ages and alchemy never got anyone anywhere..This is a great show.Thank you!
Well, Newton was kinda alchemist, like member of occult group searching for philosopher's stone and such. Few years ago they hit a rock further away from Pluto, within 30 kilometers margin of error, maybe even meters precision using Newton's ideas, so he was no idiot.
The third interview subject seems to be conflating pantheism with panpsychism.
But the fourth guy was spot on. The others were interesting but weren't really talking about pantheism as it's typically understood. The fourth interview subject described it accurately.
conflating, why should the two concepts be seen as mutually exclusive?
@@riverwild348 They're not mutually exclusive but they're different concepts. The fact that they're not mutually exclusive doesn't mean they can't be conflated.
Panpsychism is the idea that mind is a property of all matter whereas pantheism regards the collective whole of all that exists as an impersonal deity.
Pantheism is the closest to truth.
Yes and solopolism
I've always liked Spinoza's perspective. I also quite like what I interpret to be Wittgenstein's - that there is some ineffable quality to the world - or at least our experience of the world - that inspires deep awe and reverence, and though this quality is beyond language, it is still somehow expressed in its showing (and since music is a core part of my life, I would add playing) ...
... and I agree with the others here who express a great fondness for this channel, for - even though I often disagree, esp wrt much of the religiosity - this fondness is one I share.
It shows our arrogance that we would personify an entity as powerful as a God.
No pantheist ever advocated God being the world. If that were true, there would be a trillion trillion gods in the universe. It's the universe itself that is God in pantheism.
As a person who speaks many languages, born in an Arab country, and familiar with many Eastern and Western religions, I assure you that all heavenly and earthly religions and all their messengers, Muhammad, Christ jesus, Moses, Buddha, all originally believe in the unity of existence, the universe as one unit with all its parts
Most answers are found in the conglomerate of Hindu Philosophies too. From atheism to theism to polytheism and pantheism. Besides being pure energy God is also pure consciousness. He, She, or simply It exists and animates the whole Universe and its conscious life forms. It is both the manifest universe as well as the unmanifest. So what is Its purpose in creation? They vary from a dream play of It (Brahman) of its own as in Advaita (illusion) to a specific purpose of raising entities believed sentient but lost in the vast darkness (Saiva Siddhantam). Souls an infinite number as darkness Itself. So God violates the darkness in Its Absolute Love in Pure consciousness to bring these entities into being so that they may evolve in love to become just like It. Evil or for the matter even good is an illusion stemming from this darkness of ignorances of a sort. This latter philosophy is deemed a Divine Pedagogical play. The former is mere Self Play. The individual entities that realize this within not without as in the physical creation will come to this conclusion in the many experiences of life's journey. Becoming absolute Love themselves in total unity with the Universe aka Divine Itself. That is Moksha or Final Liberation.
'God is everything & everything is God' / "Arguments that explain everything... explain nothing." Christopher Hitchens.
Paul Brocklehurst if only he was here today to make some sense...
Ahhh, the cold hands of new atheists. I'd rather be a "sexy" pantheist than without any spirit at all.
Can we have an episode which examines the possibility of Pandeism, specifically?
Pantheism is just another word for omnipresence
On the second last conversation: I don’t think you simply add the sticker of God to the natural world and signs by endorsing pantheism. Instead you unite those things with the realms of philosophy, spirituality, religion etc. If it is a sticker it is a uniting sticker surely?
0:40
I sometimes drink in the Bull Ring Tavern. If I’d seen Robert walking past I’d have called him in and bought him a pint!
Thank you for doing what you do
This content and knowledge is absolutely amazing. Thank you so much
The range of possibilities, or Logos, or Akashic Record, or as in the Bible, it's called the Word, and it is with god. Even in the Bible, when asked by Moses of "His" nature... the reply was "I am, that I am". If the eternally infinite multiverse IS God, then it is conscious through us and other possible beings. Evil is a human creation, and god's personhood may be a continuum of all possible "persons". Remember, true infinity, like absolute zero, or lightspeed, can never be reached, only eternally approached. Until recently, through this program, I learned of the word pantheism, and it's meaning. It seems to best fit ideas I've felt were true throughout my life... thank you for that. Just having the word to encapsulate the concept has streamlined my thoughts.
Yet another great show.
If there is free Will, there is no God. If there is God, there is no free Will. Except that God and Free Will are the same.
Pantheism doesn't have to deal with the issue of evil because what is evil? Nature just is, good and evil are qualities we assign. I do think there is however some intrinsic relation in nature between good and growth, and evil and destruction, poles of the same spectrum.
Yes, you can still form a moral system to say: good is that which values life in and of itself, and evil is that which ignores the divine nature of life.
If you want, you can go a more biological route, too. Good is that which maintains complexity and stability (because in ecology, the two go hand in hand); and evil is that which reduces complexity and stability. We are ever increasing in complexity and stability as years pass. Cooperation, reliance and interconnection are the fabric of the Universe.
This is all question begging and doesn't logically stand.
Apostle Paul
Acts 17:24-31 God Is There and Reachable
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
One may define believing in God,how one well,but if personality is not there,the definition is inadequate (Hegel )
The concept of God is defined by humans. There have been many different concepts of God from the different peoples on earth and also throughout history, all explained by humans to humans. I am comfortable defining God as everything, as pantheists do. But I really don't see the need for a concept of God. I believe in everything I can see or can sense. Everything that exists undeniably exists and I am happy with that. Humans cannot comprehend infinite space or time and certainly we cannot comprehend how or when the universe started, but we do know that it is here and it's OK to accept that, period.
The universe is God.
God is Everything.
We are God.
Love.
9:15 The red head guy, when he speaks reminds me of the priest in the princess bride. Mawage, Mawage is that bwessed awangement that bwings us togetha today"
I respect the efforts being made here, but there seems something parochial about this line of questioning re the nature of God. It's the baggage of anthropocentrism based in Judeo-Christian assumptions. I'm constantly asking myself... are philosophers of much more advanced civilisations elsewhere throughout the cosmos, asking the same kinds of questions?
I like the opposite approach. There are no philosophers of more advanced civilizations
asking the same questions. We are all there is, and we are the most advanced civilization, so we better ask the right questions.
Probably they are formulating other questions. Regarding the nature of the Ultimate Reality in order to understand and accomplish time travel, How to create a state of consciousness,capable of reaching and surpassing their own limitation of comprehension of reality, in order to learn new realities.
@@ronalds.658 The likelihood that we are the only advanced civilization in existence is extremely improbable to the point where it can be all but rejected. I think those who wish to deny the possibility and live with their heads in the sand are mathematically ignorant and also obsessed with the idea of humans being "special." The "specialness" of humanity given by Christianity, Judaism and Islam allow us to justify trashing it as we please, subjugating it for our own use as having absolutely no worth or value beyond what it does for humanity. If there were a species more intelligent and dominant than us, it would probably invent religions to allow it to do the same, and we would look on in horror. It is evil.
@@ronalds.658 GOD help us if THIS is the advanced civilization!
Jeremiah 10: THE TRUE GOD - THE GREAT GOD
6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.
7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.
10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.
12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.
13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.
Exodus 15:1-8,10,11 MOSES - What He has to say about GOD
1 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.
2 The Lord is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
3 The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.
4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.
5 The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone.
6 Thy right hand, O Lord, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O Lord, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.
7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble.
8 And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.
10 Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters.
11 Who is like unto thee, O Lord, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?
Every single living creature is living in the singularity of a black hole filled with infinite potential of mind and consciences. We aren’t moving away from the center. We are the center drifting away from every other center of the universe because we are all moving closer to the singularity of all, the centers of all the universes and Big Bangs will one day be crammed into a space a plank length in diameter, and that right there in essence is God.
Advaita Vedanta compatible with Spinoza's philosophy, and as to the author's desire for what may be called personal salvation, (even with an afterlife), there's room for that in the works of Shankara. Thus, one can be a Panetheist and a believer in an after-physical life. In any event, one can tap into the all-pervasive Absolute nature of the Universe (Sat-Chit-Ananda) by listening to "Mahamritunjaya Mantra - Sacred Sounds Choir", and "Om Namah Shivaya - Shivananda Adi" Listen to each for 5 min per day for two weeks and enjoy experiencing your own nondual identity as "One" with Pure Consciousness.
I always think that panentheism makes more sense but even with that it gets complicated as to the boundary of reality .for example in a multiverse and one universe created another,as black holes possibly do,is the boundary the created universe or the multiverse?if the latter then hard panentheism and pantheism are effectively the same.
Quantum mechanics, and specifically the Higgs particle, argue for Pantheism. As each particle is a density of energy, then each particle is a manifestation of an underlying energetic reality, an energetic Being. Everything, then, resides with the "bucket of Being." My personal experience, however, says that this Absolute ground of Being is personal in its own way.
What about existence and evolution being a process whereby God is becoming conscious of Itself through Time? That’s what makes sense to me.
Would take to much energy and time before thoughts from one part of the universe could consolidate with thoughts from other remote parts.
There's a preceding eternity where evolution should have finished by now, or even happened repeatedly. Teleology is attractive but seems unjustifiable.
Xspot box If a thoughtful human can conceive of this as immanent now in the experience of everyday life on this planet, why would there be a need for consolidation? It’s location of consciousness is an intersection of time and space; that is, finite reality.
@@freedommascot Perhaps God want to turn us into a stone, those behave perfectly and function as a well oiled machine, so he can forget about those self regulating parts potentially causing him problems. Obviously not and nature made tinny surface of our planet alive and kicking back against entropy for a reason.
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I like Robert, a pitty he doesn't buy the most credible version of God! One is left wondering if he really wants to get Closer to Truth!
Personally I could never resign myself to one certain belief but if I had a guess it would be pantheism.
I think The problem is that we try to describe God in 3d... He is the word.
One true god: the universe and existence.
Pantheism. 🌍☀️🌙⭐🌈🪐🌲🌹
The material world no more represents the totality of God's being than your own thoughts and dreams represent the totality of your being.
However, if one looks into Panentheism as opposed to Pantheism, then one will not only find that which is inherent in Pantheism, but also that which is inherent in the Abrahamic religions regarding the existence of the sentient and self-aware "I Am-ness" of a personal God to whom the material world belongs (again, just as your own thoughts and dreams belong to you).
Ultimate, ' just as your own thoughts and dreams belong to you" - the question must be asked who is this 'you' if in fact Panentheism is the std. model or even Pantheism is ( the model); it is this 'you' that seems to allude many-a-person.
If one observes thier waking state, dream and even sleep ( if that is possible), who is the observer? It is this observer , as it seems to me, is that original non-varying 'you'. To call it 'you' is a pickle and distracts from its complete and total subjectivity of it. It is the final-subjective Being that views . Calling it 'you' throws us off the scent.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on this matter....
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I suggest that the "you" is the invisible entity (the Cartesian "I am") that sits at the throne of the inner-dimension of your mind. It is that conscious and self-aware, central locus of your inner-being that wields and wills the infinitely malleable fabric of your thoughts and dreams into anything it desires, including forming that fabric into the shape of a question that asks "who is this 'you'?".
Furthermore, in the context of Pantheism there is no universal "I am-ness" (no self-aware universal soul/God).
Whereas, on the other hand, in Panentheism, such a soul is possible, of which I suggest that our souls (our inner "you(s)") are its literal replications (its literal offspring) who momentarily exist as its "embryos," so to speak, who have yet to be fully-born.
And with the above in mind, I propose that only in the event of physical death will our full birthing process be completed, which, in turn, will finally allow us to see and understand what our "you(s)" (and God) really are.
("...Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again..." - KJV)
Frank Here, if you are truly interested in hearing more of my thoughts on this matter, then have a look at the more than 100 drawings and illustrations I created to explain the theory. Here - www.theultimateseeds.com - and let me know what you think.
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When we talk, we're using symbols to talk about referents. Sometimes, one symbol can have multiple referents-- "free speech" vs. "free beer" is maybe an example-- and of course that's a frequent problem in philosophy, where we can't always agree on which referents are in actuality different, in part because we're talking about highly abstract concepts.
But other times, one referent can have multiple symbols. I appreciate the recognition here that there are multiple kinds of pantheism. However, for many kinds of pantheism, it seems to me that "pantheism" is just a different symbol for the same thing "atheism" refers to. Of course, neither symbol is preferable, any more than one language is better than another. Yet we are just as easily confused by aliased symbols as by aliased referents.
18:21 "But do you gain anything with pantheism, because maybe the physicists are saying what's correct, but that's all there is?" Nailed it.
I am a pantheistic Muslim. In the tradition of Sufism everything is God. Everyone is God. Fa'ainama tuwallu wajhullah. Wherever you face (externally or internally) it's all God.
Laa ilaaha illallah. Nothing is here. Only God is here. Nothing exists. Only God exists. Infinite Love is the only truth. Everything else is illusion. This Sufism came from Alhalaj, Syaikh Abdul Qodir Jailani, and Syekh Siti Jenar.
Allahuakbar 🙏🙏🙏
This is shirk
God: I am the life. I am what is.
Whatever...
Gods are illusion, there is only you and Universe around, nothing else, act on it.
Pantheism is true but only gives the trivial answer.
There is no mystery in the world! Mystery is only for those who do not understand the common sense.
Lawrence Robert Khun, thank you for your insightful shows. Could you cover a show on Islamic theology and the nature of God in Islam, and/or Kalam. It would be fascinating. Because I noticed that the Islamic conception of God is by far the strongest.
But things written in Quran have been debunked completely. And the Islamic God is non other than the Judeo-Christian God, so why don’t you find the same fascination or even consider it to be one God it self ?
@@mitulkabutarwala2504 They have been debunked only in the minds of the hateful anti-muslims with their hateful youtube channels fabricating this nonsense and misleading the masses as a result, not in reality. Anyways wheather it has been debunked or not is irrelevant, their is no doubt that Islam places the strongest emphasis on God, more than any other religion and has the strongest arguments for it, even modern Christian philosophers get their arguments from Muslim philosophers.
@@efron2545 Allah is a force of nature, can change and evolve over time, therefore another form of pantheism.
See Sam Harris on Islam. Islam has nothing on Hinduism.
@@xspotbox4400 The concept in Islam says that God is beyond nature, and space and time.
Interesting video
How does one examine pantheism and the concept without spinoza
Definitely with a glass of fine wine or shoot of good old scotch.
WHO AM I ? FOR THE SAKE OF A NEW STORY .. I AM THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS MADE INTO SPIRIT, BLESSED WITH THE TEN COMENDMENTS IN COUNSCIOUS AND I DWELL IN THE HOLY SPIRIT. BEYOND THAT I HAVE FULL CONCIOUSNESS WITH POWER OVER THE SPIRIT...
What these people left out is that the Universe includes our consciousnesses. I would say further that everything has consciousness to varying degrees. We and everyone and everything is Source, or Supreme Being. Individualized. Experiencing itself. Peace ✌️
I believe in pantheism ( best of all at least according to me)
God is just a concept, a word that defines nothing or maybe some kind of human feeling. God "exists" only because the word "God" exists. Imagine a universe or a world without the word "God", in that case will God exist? No.
Birth & death are a transitory, but yet "fixed" moment in time/space. They are "flipsides," to an identical coin.
it seems that the idea of God , in this western society, is separate from the idea of spirituality.
I'm not sure 'religion' or 'dogma' is relevant here. You can be spiritual and non religious and still pray. I don't think we should discard the concept of God but for me, God and spirituality should be connected. This is why this video is interesting for me. Yet, none of the commenters even mentioned spirituality. Just God as the universe...
Each quantum particle is God like, by definition, since every particle's influence extend all around the universe, can't be destroyed or created, exist independent from universal substance and bend space time.
You're pulling this out of you bellybutton.
@@ferdinandkraft857 Are you sure, why can we see universe than?
let's suppose universe has borders, go far away enough and you could see light from all stuff that exist. But when you try to see what is this light and get closer, glare start to fade away and light disperse into infinite amount of bright dots. Pick a direction and approach closer, those dots became shaped like a river, connected into galactic filaments. Chose one grain of glowing sand and zoom in, light disperse into stars, floating inside clouds of gas. Look at one star and see it's a shell of ice and asteroids, with planets inside, all swirling in some direction around bright light at the center of balance. Approach our planet and look at tiny, wet bio habitat shell surrounding it, one of those self guided creatures is a human. Look in his eyes and you will see spark of light, this tinny glowing dot of radiation source is what image of entire universe must be constructed from,if end of the universe can exist. It's everywhere at one, in an eye of that man and in what we could see entire universe is at once.
@@xspotbox4400 we can't "see the universe". We've very narrow windows to look at specific epochs of the universe, in certain wavelengths, with resolution inversely proportional to distance. A few pieces in a huge puzzle. All the other pieces must be extrapolated from our current models. And the models are always subject to change, that's why you can't take them as dogma.
It's more useful to ask what about God is different from the cosmos. If there's no difference Occam's razor would require that we not use two different words. But is the statement "God is the cosmos" necessary to pantheism? Maybe the cosmos considered as the sum of its parts can be "the cosmos" and there's something about it that's greater than the sum of its parts that is "God" so we need two different words.
We are merely a cell that makes up a bigger collective. The infinite collective of all those conceivable "bigger" collectives is the Universal Pantheistic God.
No, a cell cannot conceive itself with vibrant properties without the consciousness of something else other than that.
Good episode