I fell into listening to S.J. a while back because of the sound of how he spoke which to me indicated a substantial soul beneath but was disappointed to hear shortly after he had upset his teacher Martín Prechtel whose school, Bolad's Kitchen, Stephen had attended. Martín was upset about what he felt was intellectual theft, at one point exclaiming, "feeding a time of hope beyond our own" was an expression he couldn't use anymore -- implying S.J. had picked it up and written books about it without citing Martín as an original progenitor. I don't try to knock people down often or without consideration, but in this case my concern is that in the heady trip of his public persona, S.J. has, in an appropriative way, detached the continuity of credit that should connect him through Martín to the original people from whom this knowledge comes, which is the Pueblo and Mayan indigenous communities by whom Martín was educated and to whom Martín is constantly appointing credit for the things he knows. I'd like to see S.J. address this grievance and describe his relationship with his education at Bolad's Kitchen. If I knew he had made this well I would feel comfortable reading his books again, which I would like to be able to do. His perspective on death and dying seems especially important and unique.
@ajg942 I have no idea if this will address what you have just mentioned here but I have recently discovered Stephen Jenkinson and his work and have been curious if he has had any connection to Martin Prechtel (as I attended some of the very first Bolad's Kitchen gatherings) and recognized the languaging. I have somewhat expected to hear him mention his name but (after reading your comment) I did just find a few acknowledgements in blogs/newsletters on his Orphan Wisdom site. Under the heading "News" Dec. 9, 2013 "These Very Days of Wonder" in the 9th paragraph that starts with (I have a school here at the farm...) and the second paragraph below that he respectfully mentions his various teachers...and Martin is one of them. I so rarely ever post comment's but I have such respect for both these men. I do not know the status of their relationship but did notice that he had mentioned Martin a few different times. The other was May 20th, 2013. Again, I have no idea what their dynamic is like at this time...but just thought I would share this.
Interesting idea on 'land connection' being where someone invokes their rituals on another land and naming a part of that land after the loss of a comb as 'land connection' rather than a colonial imposition which of course it is. Land connection is I feel sitting silently with the land until it comes to accept you.
Indigenous knowledge is being recognised performatively, but as long as western culture is mired in materialism, indigenous knowledge cannot be taken seriously (by the mainstream) as anything but a quaint cultural artifact, rather than the living now that it is … in other words, it engages a non linear process rather than being a causal set of steps to follow…
Indigenous cultures destroyed ALL the megafauna in the Americas, even our Buffalo were immigrants; original American Buffalo were twice the size. Further, some had cultural traditions such that you weren't a real man until you MURDERED someone. Other tribes joined the Wetiko in the fight against there fellow indigenous peoples like mercenaries. Native Americans and Africans had a great deal of slavery, even enslaving children. We need our myths to be mythical, not to distort fact or history.
@@jimicunningable I can’t follow your meaning. I said one thing and you’ve replied with something that is irrelevant to what i said. Is there a bridging statement you could make to tie the two together?
Indigenous cultures destroyed ALL the megafauna in the Americas, even our Buffalo were immigrants; original American Buffalo were twice the size. Further, some had cultural traditions such that you weren't a real man until you MURDERED someone. Other tribes joined the Wetiko in the fight against there fellow indigenous peoples like mercenaries. Native Americans and Africans had a great deal of slavery, even enslaving children. We need our myths to be mythical, not to distort fact or history.
Wonderful conversation. Thank you to all. Love how Rune talks with his hands (served as a great introduction to him and his work)!
The thought of Steven Jenkinson is profound.
I fell into listening to S.J. a while back because of the sound of how he spoke which to me indicated a substantial soul beneath but was disappointed to hear shortly after he had upset his teacher Martín Prechtel whose school, Bolad's Kitchen, Stephen had attended. Martín was upset about what he felt was intellectual theft, at one point exclaiming, "feeding a time of hope beyond our own" was an expression he couldn't use anymore -- implying S.J. had picked it up and written books about it without citing Martín as an original progenitor.
I don't try to knock people down often or without consideration, but in this case my concern is that in the heady trip of his public persona, S.J. has, in an appropriative way, detached the continuity of credit that should connect him through Martín to the original people from whom this knowledge comes, which is the Pueblo and Mayan indigenous communities by whom Martín was educated and to whom Martín is constantly appointing credit for the things he knows. I'd like to see S.J. address this grievance and describe his relationship with his education at Bolad's Kitchen. If I knew he had made this well I would feel comfortable reading his books again, which I would like to be able to do. His perspective on death and dying seems especially important and unique.
@ajg942
I have no idea if this will address what you have just mentioned here but I have recently discovered Stephen Jenkinson and his work and have been curious if he has had any connection to Martin Prechtel (as I attended some of the very first Bolad's Kitchen gatherings) and recognized the languaging. I have somewhat expected to hear him mention his name but (after reading your comment) I did just find a few acknowledgements in blogs/newsletters on his Orphan Wisdom site. Under the heading "News" Dec. 9, 2013 "These Very Days of Wonder" in the 9th paragraph that starts with (I have a school here at the farm...) and the second paragraph below that he respectfully mentions his various teachers...and Martin is one of them. I so rarely ever post comment's but I have such respect for both these men.
I do not know the status of their relationship but did notice that he had mentioned Martin a few different times. The other was May 20th, 2013.
Again, I have no idea what their dynamic is like at this time...but just thought I would share this.
Interesting idea on 'land connection' being where someone invokes their rituals on another land and naming a part of that land after the loss of a comb as 'land connection' rather than a colonial imposition which of course it is. Land connection is I feel sitting silently with the land until it comes to accept you.
Indigenous knowledge is being recognised performatively, but as long as western culture is mired in materialism, indigenous knowledge cannot be taken seriously (by the mainstream) as anything but a quaint cultural artifact, rather than the living now that it is … in other words, it engages a non linear process rather than being a causal set of steps to follow…
Indigenous cultures destroyed ALL the megafauna in the Americas, even our Buffalo were immigrants; original American Buffalo were twice the size. Further, some had cultural traditions such that you weren't a real man until you MURDERED someone. Other tribes joined the Wetiko in the fight against there fellow indigenous peoples like mercenaries. Native Americans and Africans had a great deal of slavery, even enslaving children. We need our myths to be mythical, not to distort fact or history.
@@jimicunningable I can’t follow your meaning. I said one thing and you’ve replied with something that is irrelevant to what i said. Is there a bridging statement you could make to tie the two together?
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All of this “land connectedness” talk sounds like ethno-nationalism and vaguely fascist
Hi Mrepix.. that's an interesting perspective.. can you share more about ethno-nationalism and how this sounds fascist?
Indigenous cultures destroyed ALL the megafauna in the Americas, even our Buffalo were immigrants; original American Buffalo were twice the size. Further, some had cultural traditions such that you weren't a real man until you MURDERED someone. Other tribes joined the Wetiko in the fight against there fellow indigenous peoples like mercenaries. Native Americans and Africans had a great deal of slavery, even enslaving children. We need our myths to be mythical, not to distort fact or history.