This is why the Scarf Hold NEEDS to evolve in Jiu Jitsu

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  • @Chadi
    @Chadi  5 місяців тому +9

    The book “The Origins & History of Judo” is now available on Amazon worldwide, not just the links below. You can search for it in the Amazon of your own country.
    Amazon EU:
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    Amazon US:
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    Amazon Asia:
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    Thank you all.

  • @ItsTheJits_
    @ItsTheJits_ 5 місяців тому +16

    Purple belt in bjj. Started in judo. I have a whole submission game around kesa gatame. Blended from judo catch and jiujitsu. Henry atkins has a great system that I adopted in my game. Kesa is like 90% of my subs

  • @kdak247
    @kdak247 5 місяців тому +29

    We use it for pinning in folk style. Also as many of you may know, Josh Barnett submitted the undefeated Dean Lister via scarf hold.

    • @BH-gh6qm
      @BH-gh6qm 5 місяців тому +1

      also alexey olenik submitted the great mirko cro cop with it

    • @skraddypoo
      @skraddypoo 5 місяців тому +1

      Wrestler doing no-gi grappling here. We need to stop holding onto single wins from years ago like this. The Barnett-Lister finish was exactly ten years ago today, the compression choke is well established by now and there are a heap of other examples.

    • @JustSomeGuy69420
      @JustSomeGuy69420 5 місяців тому

      @@skraddypoo There are a heap of other examples, but none are as high profile as the Lister finish. Catch needed that and now it's experiencing a much needed revival. It's mostly Barnett who's been responsible for that especially recently. Erik Paulson is of course a catch guy, but he's also an everything else kind-of guy. He hasn't made an huge attempt to revive catch. Tony Cecchine is the only other legit guy in recent years that I can think of, and he's currently extremely sick. There's a GoFundMe for him that people should check out. I'm unaware of any other catch guys who aren't total chodes.

    • @rubituesday823
      @rubituesday823 5 місяців тому

      @@skraddypoo Judo black belt and jiu jitsu brown belt here. I’ve been doing this submission because of Barnett and I don’t see it well established with all the open mats I’ve been too. I’ve pretty much been the only one doing it around my area. It’s still pretty foreign to a lot of people.

    • @kerpal321
      @kerpal321 4 місяці тому

      its actually a compression choke you do from the scarf hold position, you pull up on the head while also putting your upper body weight on to the opponents chest so he cant breathe, it can also be a neck crank

  • @blitzthekraken9832
    @blitzthekraken9832 5 місяців тому +1

    Iv studied this ketsa for years. Two things that is not done, and should be taught. The scarf hold is dynamic that means you make adjustments based on what they feed you. And secon you control the arm. The scarf is all about the arm. For instance they turn into you, great, you pull the arm and rotate with the turn. They brace on your neck, great you pull the arm and collapse down on them. They try to sit up great, you pull the arm collapse forward and post your hand. It’s a dynamic hold that allows someone to fish out water until they tire and then you may submit them. Most people play it as a static hold with pressure on the ribs, but that only works if your stronger then them.

  • @DarkArtsDeepDive
    @DarkArtsDeepDive 5 місяців тому +2

    Keeping control of the elbow and keeping it off the ground is the main concern, not keeping the shoulder off the ground. If you can control his elbow you can control him. Even if you momentarily lose the head.

  • @jamiekelly7280
    @jamiekelly7280 5 місяців тому +3

    Chadi, your content is great.I started judo 18 years ago, there used to be 5-6 police officers who came, now there are none, i only bring this up due to the problems we have in Britain and watching 5-6 officers trying to tackle one person. I would make it mandatory that all officers be a decent level of judo,bjj, wrestling. Im sure neil adams tried to get something going with the police.Keep up the good work.

  • @DBlock2048
    @DBlock2048 5 місяців тому +8

    Your friend, Dr. Rhadi Ferguson, demonstrated an absolutely brutal kesa gatame in one of his videos

  • @William.H.Bonney
    @William.H.Bonney 5 місяців тому +4

    There’s just so many more options when you have the under hook instead of the neck

  • @F2007KR
    @F2007KR 5 місяців тому +5

    It’s not just because of the fear of the backtake, but because kuzure kesa gatame has more options for transitions and submissions in exchange for a little less pinning pressure. I’ll flow between kuzure kesa, side control, reverse kesa, and north south, but from kesa there’s fewer transition options. When I do play kesa gatame, I am fully committed and if my opponent starts to escape my only real option is the overhook and guillotine. But most likely it’s returning to our feet or to my guard. I’ve lost the top position.

    • @blazingtatsumaki
      @blazingtatsumaki 5 місяців тому

      A black belt making videos without understanding something as simple as this tells you a lot about quality of black belts around.

    • @yakovdavidovich7943
      @yakovdavidovich7943 4 місяці тому

      I find it interesting that in katame no kata, the newaza kata in Judo, the variation of kesa gatame that's included is kuzure kesa gatame. It's almost like a subtle hint that it's the better version. And while standard kesa gatame is a great pin, and I'll use it, I too usually feel the tenuousness of that slip from the shoulder over the head, which is impossible in kuzure.

  • @jesselowe9374
    @jesselowe9374 5 місяців тому

    I remember when I was a white belt and the positioning of how to pressure from top scarfhold just clicked. Ever since then, I've been a fan of this hold down. Very powerful position!

  • @KiltedWarrior
    @KiltedWarrior 5 місяців тому

    First thing first hey loved the book, a great peek into the history from a early student of Judo. Thank you.
    Why is it do some schools totally abandon a technique when it has a weakness? I mean we as Judoka know every technique has a hole(s)in it that can and will be exploited to achieve an outcome. This constant is the nature of the game, especially in martial arts. I did love the World Tour reference. In our dojo, we call it "the trip around the world." Also loved the " take a chance and (lack of a better word here) lose a little to see where you can go with a technique.

  • @SwordFighterPKN
    @SwordFighterPKN 5 місяців тому +5

    I use scarf all the time in BJJ and it works against blackbelts. Lots of BJJ folks don't like it because it's not "technical" its a brute technique in their view, where it does take skill to hold people and submit them from that position. One big key is getting our hip off the floor along with keeping the arm, that way weight is just driving in.

    • @vids595
      @vids595 5 місяців тому

      It is not at all true that "Lots of BJJ folks don't like it because it's not "technical" its a brute technique in their view,". That is nonsense.

    • @SwordFighterPKN
      @SwordFighterPKN 5 місяців тому

      @@vids595 - I got people I've talked too and rolled with that say different, what you got?

    • @Spiritof_76
      @Spiritof_76 5 місяців тому

      @@SwordFighterPKN Some know-nothings who don't know how to do it or how to use it may think it's not technical.

    • @SwordFighterPKN
      @SwordFighterPKN 5 місяців тому

      @@Spiritof_76 BJJ black belts are no know nothings? Oh they fear and respect the move but the ones I know are more of the fancy choke types.

    • @Spiritof_76
      @Spiritof_76 5 місяців тому

      @@SwordFighterPKN They might be when it comes to kesa gatame. It depends on who they learned from. I learned from a judo black belt who spent almost a decade in Japan. I know a blue belt who tapped 4 guys in 1 tournament from the position.

  • @pcprinciple3774
    @pcprinciple3774 5 місяців тому +10

    It's a great position that just isn't taught well in a lot of places. When people start grappling, a beginner is likely to have a lot more success with back control, than mount. It's much easier to choke a novice than it is to avoid being pressed away. But if you invest it, then by intermediate and advanced, mount will reap dividends. Kesa is like mount. There's no serious risk of back take when you're intermediate / advanced at it, that's a rookie mistake.

    • @rickfinsta2951
      @rickfinsta2951 5 місяців тому

      I agree. Most novices/intermediates don't have any feel for when they about to lose control and need to transition. As Chadi said, we train "around the world" (he called it "world tour") for this reason. It should be seamless to transition between kesa gatame / kazure kesa gatame / yoko shiho gatame / kata gatame. About the worst position I can see getting into from here is "dogfight" where you are both on your knees facing the same direction with one shoulder entangled. Personally I think the concept of "back takes" is a bit silly outside of ne waza anyways and the focus on it in BJJ while not respecting other pins is probably my biggest gripe with the discipline.

    • @pcprinciple3774
      @pcprinciple3774 5 місяців тому

      @@rickfinsta2951 I have a good deal of success reversing the position by rolling them over me. This is because most people are taught to hug the head, but I consider this a total misunderstanding of the position. You want the hand that isn't elevating my arm, to be free to post. The post will kill the roll, if my shoulder is elevated then I can't turn and yes, as you say, be ready to transition to any other pin too.

  • @tonydismukes4409
    @tonydismukes4409 5 місяців тому

    BJJ instructor here. I teach and use kesa gatame regularly. It’s a solid position. Students just have to learn some essential details to avoid the easy back take.

  • @Katcom111
    @Katcom111 5 місяців тому

    I used this technique and it works like a charm.

  • @vids595
    @vids595 5 місяців тому

    I prefer broken scarf hold. It is taught in every jui jitsu school and although the danger of the back take as always pointed out, it does not make us shy away from the position, unless there is a big weight difference. Scarf hold is side control, there are many forms of side control. Erik Paulson, Henry Atkins, and Chris Herzog have fantastic instructionals from this position.

  • @acd-combatives
    @acd-combatives 5 місяців тому

    Great video. Thanks!

  • @BestWayKilla
    @BestWayKilla 5 місяців тому

    BJJ brown belt here. Very simply solution to the very real problem of getting your back taken from the scarf hold that I've been taught: underhook the far arm (we call that position "second side control" at the school I go to). Problem solved. With the added benefit of allowing you to lean on the opponent and make them feel like a dump-truck is parked on top of them (the term we use for it is "dropping the anchor").

  • @tw_trad
    @tw_trad 5 місяців тому

    I love kesa. It's great for finishing knee cuts even without an underhook. While there is a risk of giving up one's back, I feel like it also goes both ways. The one trying to take the back is also risking getting pinned, and the battle is for control of the arm. From the BJJ points perspective, it's definitely riskier to go for kesa gatame. 3 pts for a quick guard pass (or no points at all if you just transitioned from another pin) vs giving up 4 pts if they take your back. Might be the same reason why BJJ guys don't like turn throws. 2 points for the throw vs 4 points for failing

  • @CervusGreen
    @CervusGreen 5 місяців тому

    Love it, and have been using it to setup submissions for over a decade. Difficult to maintain against larger opponents in BJJ if they know basic escapes.

  • @NickKano11
    @NickKano11 5 місяців тому

    When I went to Jiu Jitsu, the most useful thing I brought over from Judo wasn’t a throw. It was Kesa Gatame

  • @mariojuana
    @mariojuana 5 місяців тому

    most jiu jitsu practitioners cant escape a scarf hold because it is agreed upon that it is very escapable to the back control. this is a problem because when applied correctly a scarf hold is very controlling and properly applied scarfholds are rarely trained or trained to escape in jiu jitsu. Gracie jiu jitsu happens to teach the proper escapes in the self defense curriculum. Great topic as always Chadi 🫡

  • @kananisha
    @kananisha 5 місяців тому +1

    Scarf and Pillow hold are king. Both are absolutely fighting positions, not just pins. The biggest problem with them is they are not properly taught, nor are the range of options from both.

  • @JamesW7723
    @JamesW7723 5 місяців тому

    That clip you showed of Sambo fusion is something I do in my jujutsu when I’m getting ready to transition from scar fold or modified scar fold. But I prefer to do a modified arm bar from that position if I can get control of their wrist and leverage their arm against my thigh.

  • @GustavoSantiago-pi4pf
    @GustavoSantiago-pi4pf 5 місяців тому

    @Chadi cuando estará disponible tu libro para hispanohablantes (América latina)??

  • @darklard
    @darklard 5 місяців тому

    Already ordered the book and it's arriving today, excited to read it. This hold is the first pin we teach I'm surprised to hear this isn't the most common much less you're saying this isn't common?

  • @badart3204
    @badart3204 5 місяців тому

    Was a big fan of it when I did bjj because I was a big fan of pinning people and the chest compression submissions. A big guy can sometimes bench press a smaller guy in a traditional side control without wiggling but that’s impossible with this which is why I liked it as a smaller guy.

  • @NeviQAdnariM
    @NeviQAdnariM 5 місяців тому

    Ive been training Gracie Jiu Jitsu for 8 years and I have become capable of doing this move on almost everyone I roll with. It’s a phenomenal move for me and my game. People rarely escape and I get plenty of time to adjust the position. I’m kind of confused as to what you mean Jiu Jitsu need to evolve it. It has been my bread and butter for almost a decade.

  • @mariojuana
    @mariojuana 5 місяців тому

    always respect the scarf hold!

  • @Emanuel_carey
    @Emanuel_carey 5 місяців тому +2

    As a brown belt. This is used in my jiujitsu gym. It’s been In Jiujitsu… jiujitsu is grappling. I feel like this video was not needed

  • @Chadi
    @Chadi  5 місяців тому +4

    Sambo Fusion:
    www.youtube.com/@sambofusion9486
    instagram.com/sambo_fusion/

  • @mattr999
    @mattr999 5 місяців тому +2

    Tbh not really sure why it's not used in bjj, it seems it was parsed out of that style of jiu jitsu and is generally frowned upon compared to other top positions. It is also rarely used in mma. It seems more popular in catch wrestling and sambo, there are many submissions that can be done from the position. There are also ways to escape it but there is for all positions.

    • @Jdac333
      @Jdac333 5 місяців тому +1

      Becuse the pin isn’t a factor in winning. Too much risk of the underhook/ reversal/ having to transition to a controlling side control or north south. Especially no gi

    • @هذاأنا-ذ3ث
      @هذاأنا-ذ3ث 5 місяців тому

      It is a great position when the opponent is tired. However, when it fails, which is fairly likely in MMA, you can end up on the bottom or get your back taken.

  • @josephmoreau9615
    @josephmoreau9615 5 місяців тому +1

    Personally, I have been taught Kesa gatame in my BJJ gym, and nobody has ever raised these concerns.

    • @vids595
      @vids595 5 місяців тому

      Every bjj school teaches it and because we are not simply using it to runout the clock like they are in judo, bjj practitioners are typically more well versed in options from the position. The title of the video was for getting clicks.

  • @joatanpereira4272
    @joatanpereira4272 5 місяців тому

    6:56 is the submission done here an ude-garami?

    • @gehtdichnixan8561
      @gehtdichnixan8561 5 місяців тому

      (Kesa) Ashi Gatame.
      It "technically" works like an Ude Garami, but usually isn't used to make the opponent submit, instead, to make escaping the pin significantly harder due to the barred arm being practically unusable.

    • @joatanpereira4272
      @joatanpereira4272 5 місяців тому

      @@gehtdichnixan8561 Interesting, I always referred to it as an ude-garami, since it's my favorite submission. I never used it to keep the pin lol.

    • @gehtdichnixan8561
      @gehtdichnixan8561 5 місяців тому

      @@joatanpereira4272 Well, it's somewhat hard to overcome an opponent's power to achieve a good-enough stretch for a submission with it.
      You have to mostly rely on your adductor's strength whereas the opponent can defend using his biceps/brachialis.
      After all, the way Ashi Gatame is set up doesn't allow for much control over your opponent's arm posture/rotation to minimize his leverage options
      (ultimately, it's just the same as with e.g. Juji Gatame; as long as you can't apply the hold in correct posture/rotation ("pull towards pinkie finger"), it just won't do much unless you blatantly overpower your opponent).
      You "could" use your hips and the 2nd leg as an extra support - if your opponent is any good in Ne Waza though, that'll 100% result in him turning you over, both ending the pin, and the submission attempt (and it potentially leaves you wide open to a pin or choke hold yourself).
      p.s.: When used to secure the pin instead, it works wonders since it prohibits one possible escape direction
      (usually:
      Either turn the pin-holder over, or escape by pulling the arm away underneath the opponent. When said arm is trapped in Ashi Gatame, that "pulling away underneath" is no option any more, and the opponent is left only with attempting to turn you over; as long as there's just one possible escape route though, it's somewhat easy to block that)

  • @Emanuel_carey
    @Emanuel_carey 5 місяців тому +1

    So pure with your judo.. and yea.. “it’s all judo”. That you can’t imagine jiujitsu doing this.. on the feet, okay. Grappling. We know more, again, coming from a brown belt.

  • @sirpibble
    @sirpibble 5 місяців тому +2

    Jiujitsu practitioners are so terrified to show their backs, but that's just a skill issue and says more about their ability than anything
    As it's been said, he's behind you, not on your back
    Exposing your back isn't the same as him taking your back. There's nothing wrong with it

    • @JoriMikke78
      @JoriMikke78 5 місяців тому +1

      Back mount is the absolutely worst position to be in so it is smart to "be terrified" of it.

    • @Spiritof_76
      @Spiritof_76 5 місяців тому +1

      Judo guys going belly down and covering up know the ref is going to stand them up. Not so in bjj.

  • @leonyhenn1989
    @leonyhenn1989 5 місяців тому

    I think the main reason bjj don't take kesa-gatame seriously is because it doesnt count any points. Face hug count points but kesa-gatame does not. So very few coach practise it and pass it down to students

    • @vids595
      @vids595 5 місяців тому

      Except bjj does take it seriously, and many schools do not care at all about ibjjf rules. I do not believe you would find any bjj school that does not teach this position. Further more because in bjj we are not trying to run out the clock in this position like it is used in judo, bjj has stronger fundamentals than judo for this position.

  • @live4action
    @live4action 5 місяців тому

    I watched Rickson Gracie tap a room full of high level people using the kesa

  • @quocphingo9807
    @quocphingo9807 5 місяців тому

    freestyle wrestling/catch wrestling do well with scarf hold

  • @JoriMikke78
    @JoriMikke78 5 місяців тому

    Of course there are subs from side control, but there are better versions of side controls than kesa.

  • @ADAM_COLLECTS
    @ADAM_COLLECTS 5 місяців тому

    When did BJJ drop the B? Is it because it is so global? Is it because not all teachers are from Brasil?

    • @vids595
      @vids595 5 місяців тому

      Both because it is do global and more because it have heavily incorporated from western wrestling traditions.

  • @kennethrogers1129
    @kennethrogers1129 5 місяців тому

    Easy to transition into a choke hold down kata gatame

  • @quach8quach907
    @quach8quach907 5 місяців тому

    Ronda Rousey vs. Alexis Davis
    Throw. Kesa gatame. Punches. TKO.

  • @kevinhayden9030
    @kevinhayden9030 5 місяців тому +8

    Henry Akins evolved it. BJJ Fanatics Scarf hold soul stealer. This is my favorite position. 🫡🫡🫡

    • @pe1er1
      @pe1er1 5 місяців тому +1

      I second this message.

  • @hddh5917
    @hddh5917 5 місяців тому

    In my opinion the bjj guys are almost always exposed do koshi gurumas, ending with the kesagatame, thats why I tried this kesagatame game for a while and failed so miserably hahaha, but the bjj community knows that judokas are insanely good with this kesagatame hold.

  • @Santeria78
    @Santeria78 5 місяців тому

    Kuzure Gesa Gatame anyone?😅

  • @jbschannel3428
    @jbschannel3428 5 місяців тому +1

    I think you're referring to bjj instead of jiu jitsu. As far as I am concerned, it's still quite popular in Jiu Jitsu.

    • @chrisjackson8151
      @chrisjackson8151 5 місяців тому +2

      It’s all about context. See the spelling? “Jiu jitsu” refers to bjj, while ju-jutsu is something different. People will know by inference what one is referring to when they say “jiu jitsu.”

    • @jbschannel3428
      @jbschannel3428 5 місяців тому

      ​@@chrisjackson8151 Jujutsu, jiu-jitsu and ju-jitsu all refer to the same martial art or family of martial arts. These are japanese martial arts (obviously), so the spelling variations come from historic variations on the traduction from japanese (chinese) characters.
      The "Jiu Jitsu" in "Brazilian Jiu Jitsu" comes from this family of martial arts ("Jiu Jitsu" are not portugese words, obviously).
      BJJ people have a tendency to shorten the BJJ to Jiu-Jitsu, which causes confusion. Hence my comment. This channel is quite interesting and goes quite deep in the history of martial arts and martial art techniques. I expect better of him.
      Refs:
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_jiu-jitsu
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu

  • @trashbasementproductions223
    @trashbasementproductions223 5 місяців тому

    Is Ryohei Uchida from Kokuryukai ?

  • @ronielaledo4521
    @ronielaledo4521 5 місяців тому

    I have been using it for decades in BJJ as a choke submission. I wrote an article on this. Send me your email I and will send it to you