I look forward to mango becoming the biggest proponent for z jump in like 3 years and everyone calling it the mango jump just like with shield dropping, ledge dashing, etc
@@ghiidra__ Shield dropping was essentially a hardware mod and the primary reason notches were popularized before UCF became standard. Z jumping does not have to be a hardware mod, it can easily be done through software. The longer mango fuels this discourse though, the longer it will take for that to happen.
Just like it took Mang0 20 years to start using grab, it'll take him another 20 to adopt z-jump. He finally started using the button! He's not ready to give it up this soon!
mango was never a true falcon main, but there was a time there back in the early 2010s somewhere where his falcon was probably the best in the world as well.
Most of the concerns with 1.03 have been addressed. Hax’s recent videos on the subject should be enough to convince the community to standardize it, but unfortunately people don’t want to listen to him after last year.
Has he done anything other than release 1.03 and generally return to his regularly scheduled programming since the incident? As a casual spectator it seems like 3rd parties are the ones dragging out the situation. He definitely has stuff to say worth hearing regarding all of this controller nonsense
Lol nah, his vids are legit propaganda but no one's released anything explaining why they're bs on UA-cam so chuds in comment sections still think he isn't a clown lol
The only way it wont be price gated by controller mods is with software mods, but the only notable software mod with that feature isnt even being considered because of its creator
Mango is Tim Duncan. Majority of critics put him at GOAT status, yet under appreciated. 3 Championships in 3 Decades yet unrecognized for his longevity. Playstyle survived multiple meta shifts. GGs GOAT
imagine being the biggest figure head in melee but then not doing anything more then that imagine building a bubble ur whole life imagine thinking z jumping is broken when these players have Adriano's in there controller and also u got a goomwave bro??
Started jumping with one of the shoulder buttons when Ultimate released and now I’m getting into melee. Getting used to X/Y jump is not easy, like fuck it is so much worse
@@myboy_Faldo’s a pretty slow character, so making his movement fast will transfer over so well to characters that are just naturally fast like fox or falcon
@@chungboislim2061 "so it's easier" sums up every single boxx and z jumpers reasoning. They just want melee to be easier and they want an advantage. All I ever see is "it's easier" so yes get better
Hardware debates in the Melee community are honestly so ridiculous. At the level of play where a controller would actually matter, these players are already spending hundreds of dollars on hardware and such anyways, so it’s not like accessibility at the top matters. Even in other kinds of games, top players have OBJECTIVELY better gear than your average Joe, (think mouse sensors, monitors, keyboards, pro controllers for FPS games) and no one complains. Why? Because it is perfectly reasonable for a more dedicated player to invest more into a game than someone who would barely do well in serious competition. The lower level scene shouldn’t even matter for the discussion because, again, at a level where people don’t invest almost all of their time in the game, your controller won’t mean shit as to whether or not you win or lose. And at the top level, if you don’t want to spend a few more bucks for something that you dedicate your life to, that’s honestly just on you. And the best part is (atleast with Z jump), is that it’s literally just for comfort. There is no advantage to Zjump other that comfort, and yet for some reason there’s so much opposition. It’s completely absurd.
Pro dota and çs players will make it to the top with literal garbage. There is NO ONE good in melee with a bad controller. ledgedashes will kill you and your combos won’t link up if you miss a dash. A good controller gate keeps so many otherwise amazing players
@@shadowgaleshale9218 So then why is the discussion “ban this ban that”?? People should be looking to make gamecube controllers better, not worse. Besides, it’s not like melee has anykind of hardware requirement OTHER than a controller. Hell, you don’t even need a console, a computer from 1863 is probably strong enough. Hardware entry barriers are just a fact of life. It’s unfortunate and it’d be great if it wasn’t, but it’s crazy for players to want to favor holding the game back over improving it. If your interpretation of how much a controller matters is a big of a deal as you say it is, then wouldnt it make MORE sense to allow better controllers so that competition at the top is consistent?? Also, besides that, remapping jump to Z again doesn’t really change anything other than comfort, so with that specifically it shouldn’t even be an arguement.
Imagine being considered the GOAT, and johning over other people using controllers that are better for physical health. Imagine using your massive platform to encourage people to make fun of, disrespect, and be toxic to those that use these controllers. Imagine not valuing the longevity of other players ability to enjoy their favorite game. Really melee community this ableist is best representative of your community. Speaks volumes.
Serious question: does z jump and the boxx not feel like it makes specifically Fox borderline broken compared to the rest of the advantages it offers the rest of the cast??
@@Heyim18bro go waveshine out of shield mid game and tell me it’s not 10x easier with the boxx or z jump compared to transitioning to claw grip upon getting shield pressure. Nobody plays in a consistent claw position.
@@Ashes2Ashes817 uhmm, i do that all the time.... It's not any easier whatsoever doing it with z mapped than playing with claw, you could argue it's more comfortable after hours of playing but that's not the same thing
Pre excuses. John was a player who always made up excuses for why he lost. "I was hungry" "I didn't even get any sleep last night thats why you won" ect ect. Pre John's is you doing that before the match even started
marth's ecb in attack on ledge grows so basically marth becomes too fat and pushes falco(or any other character) off, because falco did not touch the ground he was still in special fall and fell to his death.
I have R2 as jump in Smash Ultimate. So constantly using Y for jump in melee messes with my muscle memory. So I mapped R2 to X and it feels great. Also, my thumb stopped hurting. That's a plus. That way, I can jump as many times I want without worry, so I stopped playing Shiek and Marth and played Captain Falcon
I want to like z jump but won't it mostly buff spacies? Things like instant dash jc shine and multishining will become way easier and the rest of the cast really only gets the benefit of instant rising aerials? That's my only concern but I like z jump other than that
@percival Why are people just now giving thought to the benefits of a claw playstyle? It went from being common to not even considered, to now commonplace again? It's like I've been apart of the scene for way too long and am seeing it cycle :x
@percival the general scene pretty much abandoned the claw playstyle (a way to jump immediately) for a long time and I'm assuming with videos like this being uploaded that it's coming back in the form of z jumping
Who banned Hax? Like seriously, is there some sort of Jedi High Council that decides who is and isn't allowed to play at every tournament in the world? The ban is absolutely ridiculous, but even worse is having people in our community who have that sort of power. I want names.
@@chungboislim2061 I mean, what hax was saying with scizo posting was pretty concerning. Both players should have been banned, but leffen should have been banned a long time ago. Hax was behaving in a dangerous manner that would make a majority of players uncomfortable. Plus no TO wants a situation where there are hax supporters and hax non-supporters in the same tournament room with hax and leffen both there aswell. Sounds like a hectic argument and fight waiting to happen for me. If I was TO I'd ban both until the shit died down
really not a fan of something like Z jump that is only available for people with $600 goomwaves. The way Cody defends Z jump makes me think macros will be coming next. Idk just seems kinda lame to me
It's honestly like 3 wires to try it yourself. And there an entire iso with z jump, dbooc, and shield buffed. We simply don't use it This whole price debate has really gotta stop rofl
@@BurTahPur666 nah sorry :c i only knew the other one cause a song i like samples it (kill bill - slow up) and i went to the comment section for it and someone said it.
Yeah people should have to destroy their hands on the unergonomic gamecube controller using claw grip, or not play to their full potential because fuck z jump right. The accessibility hurts nobody as long as it's done through software. But everyone is too scared to talk about 1.03 because of hax's past mistakes so would rather continue the arms race and make the scene worse for everybody rather than acknowledge something positive pushing the game forward
Truth. Except it wasn't banworthy what Hax did. If you dont like his opinion, that's life, get over it. Kids grew up with a block button tryna use it irl. Immaturity is ruining the smash scene. Go figure.
Been playing fox and falcon and falco for 10 years. Had a time where my hands felt sore and bad but played thru it and realized it was my hands pretty much gaining more strength and now I have zero hand issues. Most players probably don't stretch or take care of their hands in the first place and don't have strong hands because all they do is play games, and work behind a register for the most part. The hand issue is a lot smaller than people argue it to be. It can be an issue if you play not smart at all. You don't have to be the fastest player in the world to be good, most the time it's smarter to play medium speed. 2 top players have had hand issues but they were made worse because of how they played melee, hax loses and plays absolutely more technical and quickly than he needs too. Leffen had previous hand injuries that any game would have made worse.
are people today not aware that you can always have a finger on the y button? Y'all are making me feel like I'm a genius for something people commonly did over a decade ago :x
Not only are pre johns whack, the shit is just awful mentality. You're already setting yourself up to lose if you're thinking about what will happen when you lose almost every single time. Not only this, but no one ever truly plays at their best, so why make an excuse for why you didn't? You'd have to make one every single time then.
z jump and tap jump off being debated is actually so stupid. it's in project m its in ultimate no reason to not implement it in melee, vanilla melee was left behind a long time ago. in for a penny, this god intended bs makes no sense ucf is a thing
I think its more of remapping controllers helps other players play the game easier when they take the time to implement making the interaction in the game entirely different and sometimes only executable by those who change their controls. Where UCF fixes an entire mechanic that was nearly impossible to use consistently FOR EVERYBODY not just the select few who want easier melee, and are already bad enough to start over again.
Lmfao cry babies in the comments taking mango so seriously when he clearly says in the video to not take him too seriously. Makes the IBDW rage moment floating around the melee clips channels even more funny seeing this context now.
bullying people for something instead of actually banning it is the funniest shit in a fighting game Ive ever heard. My favorite part is that the z-jumpers are players you know are gonna be SO triggered by this. You can say you dont want z jumping banned but insult cody a bit and he's gonna be mald as fuck
@@SalvLav only the melee community wants to modify and alter the controls of the game to the extent they do. Other games use modiferes that are IN THE GAME like ultimate has the option for everyone to change controls from the get go, same with RTS and FPS games. Melee does not internally allow any controller mods so to many, its like if during a halo tournament someone was using a modded controller that makes shooting easier by making the trigger smaller. Player is banned
Bro we’ve never allowed gcc remapping, half the skill in the game has always come from the inputs and technicality. This is so dumb, top players just do what they want now a days.
@percival I was imagining u would hold the joystick like claw style with your fingers, I think that harmful part of the original controller is the hand and wrist position and over using your thumbs for everything
z jumpers and most boxx players are just trying to find external short cuts to be better which is kinda sad lol tho if you need a boxx because of serious hand problems thats fine but if you got hand problems youre not goin far in majors/super major brackets anyway
I mean I don't know about that. I have reached Predator in Apex legends but my wrists hurt very badly after like 45 minutes of melee. keyboard style layouts do not make my existing injuries from work flare up, holding a controller does. I also wouldn't be able to make it far in any fps game with a controller.
@percival if you dont feel like its a means to make things easier on yourself to execute thats fine but i cant see why you would modify the way you interact with the game unless you felt you could gain an advantage by doing so.
@percival yeahj i play guitar, bass, and i work on a computer all day so i just do stretches and try to remember to take breaks when practicing. "Some people dont like the inconsistency of analog inputs" thats seeking an advantage. I dont care if you use boxx just be honest, its like buying an elbow attachment so you shoot more consistently in basketball. So for serious competition it really shouldnt be the norm
I look forward to mango becoming the biggest proponent for z jump in like 3 years and everyone calling it the mango jump just like with shield dropping, ledge dashing, etc
I look forward to mango becoming the biggest proponent for z jump in like 3 years and everyone calling it the mango jump just like with shield dropping, ledge dashing, etc
Yea everyone who watches melee know Mang0 has the best ledge dashes.
@@kncvideos748 You know what they say "Mang0 on the ledge is like Stephen Curry on the free throw line."
your examples are in-game techs, not prohibitive hardware mods
@@ghiidra__ Shield dropping was essentially a hardware mod and the primary reason notches were popularized before UCF became standard. Z jumping does not have to be a hardware mod, it can easily be done through software. The longer mango fuels this discourse though, the longer it will take for that to happen.
Just like it took Mang0 20 years to start using grab, it'll take him another 20 to adopt z-jump. He finally started using the button! He's not ready to give it up this soon!
Just listening to mango talk is so entertaining and relaxing idk why
Because he's a great entertainer and an integrated guy plus the clips are edited together from a long stream
It’s bc you’re a wigglytuff
Facts I don’t even watch the gameplay.
@@mack4691 he kinda mid
“Be salty and cry about it after like a man” that’s the mango
mango was never a true falcon main, but there was a time there back in the early 2010s somewhere where his falcon was probably the best in the world as well.
I loved watching his falcon go to work in 2012
He was a huge inspiration to me during that era. Definitely helped me evolve and get some nice Ws
Most of the concerns with 1.03 have been addressed. Hax’s recent videos on the subject should be enough to convince the community to standardize it, but unfortunately people don’t want to listen to him after last year.
Has he done anything other than release 1.03 and generally return to his regularly scheduled programming since the incident? As a casual spectator it seems like 3rd parties are the ones dragging out the situation. He definitely has stuff to say worth hearing regarding all of this controller nonsense
Hax did nothing wrong
Lol nah, his vids are legit propaganda but no one's released anything explaining why they're bs on UA-cam so chuds in comment sections still think he isn't a clown lol
Gee I wonder why...
Yeah Hax made a lot of failures but we should listen to what he has to say and think about unbanning him in the future
17:07 he just does a crazy combo while talking wtf
The Mang0
Its called muscle memory
@@jasonlobo2350 Mang0 memory.
TRUE
3:58 mango went full cholo for a moment there
i feel like z jump is just more comfortable claw grip as long as it isn’t price gated by custom controllers then it’s perfectly ok
The only way it wont be price gated by controller mods is with software mods, but the only notable software mod with that feature isnt even being considered because of its creator
I don't wanna be that guy but it's really not a hard or expensive mod to do yourself
@@isacwannehed2575 The tools to do the mod cost as much as a controller before parts
@@PoseidonGaming100 People are literal babies when it comes to Hax, eat up his shit
conveniently left notches out
Mango is Tim Duncan. Majority of critics put him at GOAT status, yet under appreciated.
3 Championships in 3 Decades yet unrecognized for his longevity.
Playstyle survived multiple meta shifts.
GGs GOAT
Goated comparison
Mango is more of the goat of melee than tim duncan is of basketball
imagine being the biggest figure head in melee but then not doing anything more then that imagine building a bubble ur whole life imagine thinking z jumping is broken when these players have Adriano's in there controller and also u got a goomwave bro??
As people get better fox becomes more polarizing? The year 20XX may be approaching...
Started jumping with one of the shoulder buttons when Ultimate released and now I’m getting into melee. Getting used to X/Y jump is not easy, like fuck it is so much worse
1.03 is the shit.
love the content as always mang
Deadass, to move or just use Falco to the degree you do will make your Fox fast as fuck.
What??
@@myboy_Faldo’s a pretty slow character, so making his movement fast will transfer over so well to characters that are just naturally fast like fox or falcon
Sick shield grab ugly LMAO
Wish we had 1.03 man... 🙁
After hearing dkc music on mang0 i ready to watch him play that im pretty sure even if hes not fast im pretty sure he can make it fun af
you having a seizure dawg
@@BlakeMMcGill so am i, you have to get fucked up if you watch mango
why do you need z jump when you can already jump with x OR y????
So it's easy to instant aerial or jc shine without having to claw grip
@@chungboislim2061 just get good
@@getalifemfer Nice setup. Thought you were asking a genuine question.
@@chungboislim2061 "so it's easier" sums up every single boxx and z jumpers reasoning. They just want melee to be easier and they want an advantage. All I ever see is "it's easier" so yes get better
@@DoomJoy666 Play with your feet then. Ban claw grip. Ban all modded controllers.
shield drops on point 👍🏽
respect to you king
It's 2022, the slippi kids have shield drops
What tournament is coming up
Hardware debates in the Melee community are honestly so ridiculous. At the level of play where a controller would actually matter, these players are already spending hundreds of dollars on hardware and such anyways, so it’s not like accessibility at the top matters.
Even in other kinds of games, top players have OBJECTIVELY better gear than your average Joe, (think mouse sensors, monitors, keyboards, pro controllers for FPS games) and no one complains. Why? Because it is perfectly reasonable for a more dedicated player to invest more into a game than someone who would barely do well in serious competition.
The lower level scene shouldn’t even matter for the discussion because, again, at a level where people don’t invest almost all of their time in the game, your controller won’t mean shit as to whether or not you win or lose. And at the top level, if you don’t want to spend a few more bucks for something that you dedicate your life to, that’s honestly just on you. And the best part is (atleast with Z jump), is that it’s literally just for comfort. There is no advantage to Zjump other that comfort, and yet for some reason there’s so much opposition. It’s completely absurd.
I think you greatly underestimate how much a bad controller can hamper your gameplay at all levels
Pro dota and çs players will make it to the top with literal garbage. There is NO ONE good in melee with a bad controller. ledgedashes will kill you and your combos won’t link up if you miss a dash. A good controller gate keeps so many otherwise amazing players
@@shadowgaleshale9218 So then why is the discussion “ban this ban that”?? People should be looking to make gamecube controllers better, not worse. Besides, it’s not like melee has anykind of hardware requirement OTHER than a controller. Hell, you don’t even need a console, a computer from 1863 is probably strong enough.
Hardware entry barriers are just a fact of life. It’s unfortunate and it’d be great if it wasn’t, but it’s crazy for players to want to favor holding the game back over improving it. If your interpretation of how much a controller matters is a big of a deal as you say it is, then wouldnt it make MORE sense to allow better controllers so that competition at the top is consistent??
Also, besides that, remapping jump to Z again doesn’t really change anything other than comfort, so with that specifically it shouldn’t even be an arguement.
"If I have to go to some nerd who lives in like... Wisconsin..."
Dumb question, how do you jc grab with z jump?
They make x or y their grab button
@@4HotSauce04 that's what I figured but I wanted some sort of confirmation
Imagine being considered the GOAT, and johning over other people using controllers that are better for physical health. Imagine using your massive platform to encourage people to make fun of, disrespect, and be toxic to those that use these controllers. Imagine not valuing the longevity of other players ability to enjoy their favorite game. Really melee community this ableist is best representative of your community. Speaks volumes.
Mang0 is the greatest homie to ever do it
Did the talk show happen already?
Serious question:
does z jump and the boxx not feel like it makes specifically Fox borderline broken compared to the rest of the advantages it offers the rest of the cast??
I mean it buffs yoshi like crazy and could help luigi
is z jumping not just remapping z to jump so you can press it immediately? People have been doing this since the game came out by playing claw
@@Heyim18bro go waveshine out of shield mid game and tell me it’s not 10x easier with the boxx or z jump compared to transitioning to claw grip upon getting shield pressure. Nobody plays in a consistent claw position.
@@Ashes2Ashes817 uhmm, i do that all the time.... It's not any easier whatsoever doing it with z mapped than playing with claw, you could argue it's more comfortable after hours of playing but that's not the same thing
@@Ashes2Ashes817 plus with claw you can grab immediately on top of jumping immediately.. it's literally better lol
can someone tell me what pre jons are or whatever hes saying
Pre excuses. John was a player who always made up excuses for why he lost. "I was hungry" "I didn't even get any sleep last night thats why you won" ect ect. Pre John's is you doing that before the match even started
What is he listening to the donkey kong country music on?
What channel will be uploading mang0 talkshow?
"Tactical Z button" lmao
What did everyone end up saying bout z jump?
WACK is my tag
Are you in Na?
@@ChilledSSBM Midwest in North America
Nice, my tag isn't
what the fuck happened at 7:44 ? i went frame by frame and he landed on stage and edgecancelled backwards, but was still in special fall
marth's ecb in attack on ledge grows so basically marth becomes too fat and pushes falco(or any other character) off, because falco did not touch the ground he was still in special fall and fell to his death.
It's the fat marth edgeguard, aka the m2k.
Love ya mango, telling it like it is
I have R2 as jump in Smash Ultimate. So constantly using Y for jump in melee messes with my muscle memory. So I mapped R2 to X and it feels great.
Also, my thumb stopped hurting. That's a plus. That way, I can jump as many times I want without worry, so I stopped playing Shiek and Marth and played Captain Falcon
I just want mango to stop complaining about Z jump and B0XX. Makes me want to watch him on mute.
I want to like z jump but won't it mostly buff spacies? Things like instant dash jc shine and multishining will become way easier and the rest of the cast really only gets the benefit of instant rising aerials? That's my only concern but I like z jump other than that
Agreed. Same with most controller mods. Make the two best characters in the game even better.
@percival Why are people just now giving thought to the benefits of a claw playstyle? It went from being common to not even considered, to now commonplace again? It's like I've been apart of the scene for way too long and am seeing it cycle :x
@percival the general scene pretty much abandoned the claw playstyle (a way to jump immediately) for a long time and I'm assuming with videos like this being uploaded that it's coming back in the form of z jumping
Who banned Hax? Like seriously, is there some sort of Jedi High Council that decides who is and isn't allowed to play at every tournament in the world? The ban is absolutely ridiculous, but even worse is having people in our community who have that sort of power. I want names.
@@StillTryingMyBest Every single TO? Some independent thinkers we got.
@@chungboislim2061 I mean, what hax was saying with scizo posting was pretty concerning. Both players should have been banned, but leffen should have been banned a long time ago. Hax was behaving in a dangerous manner that would make a majority of players uncomfortable. Plus no TO wants a situation where there are hax supporters and hax non-supporters in the same tournament room with hax and leffen both there aswell. Sounds like a hectic argument and fight waiting to happen for me. If I was TO I'd ban both until the shit died down
@@DoomJoy666 Has it not died down?
Mango in his stats phase
Mango has those Manny Pacquiao stats
Can somebody please explain the kodorin eating ass joke to me lol
Kodorin can’t even kickflip
really not a fan of something like Z jump that is only available for people with $600 goomwaves. The way Cody defends Z jump makes me think macros will be coming next. Idk just seems kinda lame to me
what about a free way in-game that allows everyone even with 18 year old controllers the choice to do it or not
1.03 fixes this. $10 memory card is very accessible imo, especially with a free iso version
@@yelv exept the original z button sucks you need to get a tactile z button another pay wall
It's honestly like 3 wires to try it yourself. And there an entire iso with z jump, dbooc, and shield buffed. We simply don't use it
This whole price debate has really gotta stop rofl
@@Dr3am9553 good luck with your fingers jumping with a vanilla z button
whats the song at 8:00 ? please
nvm donkey kong country i found it
Do you know the song name at 5:26 while researching DK music?
@@BurTahPur666 nah sorry :c i only knew the other one cause a song i like samples it (kill bill - slow up) and i went to the comment section for it and someone said it.
@@BurTahPur666 I wanna say its mining melancholy from DKC2
Legit I z-jumped from day one, it's just much more comfortable
And easier
Seeing mango hate on B0XX and Z jumping feels so backwards
why backwards? all he does is talk nonsense
Yeah people should have to destroy their hands on the unergonomic gamecube controller using claw grip, or not play to their full potential because fuck z jump right. The accessibility hurts nobody as long as it's done through software. But everyone is too scared to talk about 1.03 because of hax's past mistakes so would rather continue the arms race and make the scene worse for everybody rather than acknowledge something positive pushing the game forward
Truth. Except it wasn't banworthy what Hax did. If you dont like his opinion, that's life, get over it. Kids grew up with a block button tryna use it irl. Immaturity is ruining the smash scene. Go figure.
Been playing fox and falcon and falco for 10 years. Had a time where my hands felt sore and bad but played thru it and realized it was my hands pretty much gaining more strength and now I have zero hand issues. Most players probably don't stretch or take care of their hands in the first place and don't have strong hands because all they do is play games, and work behind a register for the most part. The hand issue is a lot smaller than people argue it to be. It can be an issue if you play not smart at all. You don't have to be the fastest player in the world to be good, most the time it's smarter to play medium speed. 2 top players have had hand issues but they were made worse because of how they played melee, hax loses and plays absolutely more technical and quickly than he needs too. Leffen had previous hand injuries that any game would have made worse.
are people today not aware that you can always have a finger on the y button? Y'all are making me feel like I'm a genius for something people commonly did over a decade ago :x
Not only are pre johns whack, the shit is just awful mentality. You're already setting yourself up to lose if you're thinking about what will happen when you lose almost every single time. Not only this, but no one ever truly plays at their best, so why make an excuse for why you didn't? You'd have to make one every single time then.
Giving the goat mentality advice? You’re lost boi!
@@the_prophecyyy Advice? Yea you misinterpreted me pretty badly there. This is literally just me agreeing with him...
@@_WiZ420 my b
@@the_prophecyyy all good
Yo that controller dusty
z jump and tap jump off being debated is actually so stupid. it's in project m its in ultimate no reason to not implement it in melee, vanilla melee was left behind a long time ago. in for a penny, this god intended bs makes no sense ucf is a thing
I think its more of remapping controllers helps other players play the game easier when they take the time to implement making the interaction in the game entirely different and sometimes only executable by those who change their controls. Where UCF fixes an entire mechanic that was nearly impossible to use consistently FOR EVERYBODY not just the select few who want easier melee, and are already bad enough to start over again.
mango with less hair is weird bro
Lmfao cry babies in the comments taking mango so seriously when he clearly says in the video to not take him too seriously. Makes the IBDW rage moment floating around the melee clips channels even more funny seeing this context now.
7:44 is the weirdest shit i've ever seen
bullying people for something instead of actually banning it is the funniest shit in a fighting game Ive ever heard. My favorite part is that the z-jumpers are players you know are gonna be SO triggered by this. You can say you dont want z jumping banned but insult cody a bit and he's gonna be mald as fuck
what did ur wife say i forgot bro?
People who use Z jump are nerds
I feel like this is the optimal take
Adults who play children party games are all nerds. No hate, I'm one of them.
i actually didn't know about tactile z button... i think this is too far and we should ban notches + all controller mods
lol
@@SalvLav only the melee community wants to modify and alter the controls of the game to the extent they do. Other games use modiferes that are IN THE GAME like ultimate has the option for everyone to change controls from the get go, same with RTS and FPS games. Melee does not internally allow any controller mods so to many, its like if during a halo tournament someone was using a modded controller that makes shooting easier by making the trigger smaller. Player is banned
And?
Bro we’ve never allowed gcc remapping, half the skill in the game has always come from the inputs and technicality. This is so dumb, top players just do what they want now a days.
Yup
@percival it doesn’t make it more ergonomic, if anything it’s less ergonomic. Also it’s needed on boxx, for gcc it’s pretty much cheating
@@AwkwardTurtle311 it objectively does make it more ergonomic lol
@@rose_cat_0 no
@@rose_cat_0 it objectively makes it worse lmao
It’s sucks bc I really want to be able to compare mango to Jordan but his career is far more in line with lebrons
Which is still goated but not MJ 😢
Nobody in melee is MJ honestly
mang0 is the goat but i dont think hes been the best with falco yet . i dont think anyone has
they should make the boxx have a joystick and then boxx sdi and pivot stuff wouldnt be broken lol
The b0xx already has a nunchuk port but b0xx players never use it
@percival I was imagining u would hold the joystick like claw style with your fingers, I think that harmful part of the original controller is the hand and wrist position and over using your thumbs for everything
B0xx ♥️
Z jumpers should just play ultimate
0 dislikes must be a correct opinion
Z jump is super beat. Honestly trash, also fox is lame
First?
z jumpers and most boxx players are just trying to find external short cuts to be better which is kinda sad lol tho if you need a boxx because of serious hand problems thats fine but if you got hand problems youre not goin far in majors/super major brackets anyway
I mean I don't know about that. I have reached Predator in Apex legends but my wrists hurt very badly after like 45 minutes of melee. keyboard style layouts do not make my existing injuries from work flare up, holding a controller does. I also wouldn't be able to make it far in any fps game with a controller.
@percival anyone other than the exception to the rule? who was also making top 8s before having hand problems
good job literally making things up
@percival if you dont feel like its a means to make things easier on yourself to execute thats fine but i cant see why you would modify the way you interact with the game unless you felt you could gain an advantage by doing so.
@percival yeahj i play guitar, bass, and i work on a computer all day so i just do stretches and try to remember to take breaks when practicing. "Some people dont like the inconsistency of analog inputs" thats seeking an advantage. I dont care if you use boxx just be honest, its like buying an elbow attachment so you shoot more consistently in basketball. So for serious competition it really shouldnt be the norm
I look forward to mango becoming the biggest proponent for z jump in like 3 years and everyone calling it the mango jump just like with shield dropping, ledge dashing, etc