Slow Fiery Issues, Printing on Clear Film for Screen Printing Positives, Developer Issues
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- I found a problem, but not THE problem on my slow Fiery. Good thing is I think I'll just swap out the presses and then I don;t need that Fiery. Then I we blown away that I can print on a clear transparency film used for exposing emulsion on screen printing screens. WOW! Next, my magenta developer unit on the c3070 stopped working and I put a used one in to keep printing. Another productive week. Thanks for watching!
UPDATE: The film positive worked when exposing the screens emulsion.
I do screen printing also and use an Epson with a rip to output films for burning screens. I believe the density is better with Epsons but we use film made for pigment ink printers.
Hi not sure how I can get in touch. I’m having a problem with a KM Press C1100. It’s throwing up a C-2219 error can’t seem to resolve the problem. It relates to the drum decoder sensors and I’ve clean them all. Any help will do. Thanks in advance Wayne
For the last five years, I've been printing films on xerox dc260 and konica 1060 all the time. The density is more than enough👍
Who else drops what they're doing when they see Dan post a 17 minute video?
Keep tearing stuff apart please. I'm here for it.
I held my breath the whole 5 seconds waiting for the transparency to output!
HAHA! I held my breath too! Couldn't believe it when it worked!
On the developer - maybe things have changed since I retired but the developer is just a carrier for the toner, toner is metered to the dev cartridge and the action mixes the toner and the developer before throwing the mixture against the drum where the toner is electrostatically attracted to the areas that are charged and the stripped dev falls back into the cartridge. The developer will eventually be abraded and will lose its ability to attract and hold the toner - then it need replacing. As your cartridge seemed to have an insufficient amount of developer it has escaped somewhere, possibly due to damaged lower seals on the dev unit, look in the bottom of the machine!
That unit would have been thermal throttled - I would really recommend using thermal paste though meant for computers instead of the pad :)
Thanks for the heads up, I have paste on the way.
What I envy about your shop/production room Dan is you don't have half a dozen people interrupting you throughout the day. If I was left to my own devices I'd get so much more done but that's the breaks when you work for a larger company.
Keep the vids coming.
Yes, interruptions are a bummer!
That’s why I love my Ricoh. You can print on transparency, magnetic, metallic, synthetic, textured. Hell I’ve even printed directly on chipboard.
On chipboard? Tell me more! What size were you running? c1s or 2? Have you had better luck with different brands?
@@laurengearhart9947 12” x 18” size. The only paper I’ve run into is something that’s really bent to hell and back. Otherwise you can run anything on that thing.
Run chipboard on Xerox all the time. All you have to do is forget to remove the chipboard from the paper reams and bingo, you get printed chipboard out the other side.
Same on my c7110sx pro. I can print on just about anything.
Ricoh sounds like more fun every day...
Glad to see you busy. It is always nice to have junk machines around to borrow parts, especially with supply chain issues. If the C1070 keeps working, keep using it. You always have the spare machine to use.
Very true! We will see, my mind will think all week on that.
Regarding the screen-printing-foil: I'm doing screen-printing myself and I can just print on a special laser-foil (no backing-paper) on our Xerox machines. You might need to do doubles though because toner, unlike black ink from an inkjet, will not be opaque enough to block light from the screen. We also have LFPs that can print stuff like that. Both working great.
Just be careful not to but too much heat on these sheets or they will stick to your fuser.
Good to know. I have a few more to print this week so I'll hold my breath.
Just to echo the other comments, you are going to want to get thermal paste in there -- The processor didn't fry itself because it was slowing down because it was getting hot. And from the looks of it that fiery is just a standard motherboard so you should be able to look up the maximum memory and load it up.
Good point. I'll put paste on that asap. And upgrade to ssd and add ram
A bit late, but you can swap the HDD for a SSD, which will speed up things a bit. Also a good thing to upgrade the memory to more. On some Fiery's you can also set up 2 SSD in RAID 1. Mind you that a SSD can fail in an instant, while the HDD mostly faisl gradually. Have never seen a processor die. Mostly the motherboard will throttle it for protection. Had 1 mainboard fail on a Xerox DC240. Good thing we still had the Fiery from a old KM, which had the same mainboard. These mainboards (from TYAN) are not available for sale.
Yes, SSD's are great!
That thermal pad is rated for a higher difference temperature than the paste. That means that the processor will run 15 to 20 K hotter than intended. That probably is enough to get into thermal throttling. Those pads are great for power transistors that are happy to run at 115°C with their heatsinks cooled by ambient air (delta of 80 K), but processors want to be somewhere in the 50-90°C range, thats a much lower delta (20+ K), so having a pad with a thermal resistance of 20 K there in addition to the heatsink's delta won't work as well.
A visualisation would be: Think of a screw. If you have a 3 inch long screw to screw a 1 inch thick board into a wall, using a 1/2 inch thick washer is fine. If you have a 1 inch screw for a 1/2 inch thick board, that 1/2 inch thick washer doesn't fly.
Thanks for this! I have paste on the way and will swap it out. Makes sense as I never understood how the pads would be any good. I mean, conduction is the best transfer of heat.
Regarding the transparency, be sure to mirror the image so that it is right reading with the toner (emulsion) down against the screen when exposing to assure a crisp edge and preserve finer lines.
Yes, I forgot to mention that in the video. Funny thing is the screen printer that I'm printing them for didn't know that when I told him!
You got me curious so I checked and it turns out none of our Xerox office equipment have a transparency mode anymore. It would have caused a riot 20 years ago, but I guess with computer projectors and conference room displays, printing transparencies for overhead projectors disappeared without anybody noticing.
You're probably correct, nobody needs transparencies anymore so we didn't notice.
I remember being excited when I found out my second hand machine actually had a three hole puncher built in to the finisher. I was tickled pink, no more buying 3hp papers, or manually punching. I thought for sure the hole punch would be problematic at over 100ppm speeds but ironically its actually the one thing that has given me no problems yet.
I'd use the machine that is the most reliable and most profitable no matter the age or mileage. Sometimes some machines are just built a little better and for whatever reason(s) don't give as many problems as other ones. Ever have a machine that had a ghost or gremlin in it...or is just a problematic lemon?
I sure did have a machine with gremlins. My Konica C8000. Its was a poor design from the factory.
A tip on the Fiery. Just under the large terminal there is a segment display. You can watch the boot up sequence from there. It usually will start with alpha numeric numbers and should eventually go to 00. But if it stops at FF it usually means it is the hard drive. Another test you can do if it is not connecting you can ping its IP address and browse it as well. No ping then it maybe from the cpu thermal paste as others have mentioned. If you can ping it but cannot browse the device then its the hard drive. The hard drives in Fierys are small laptop drives. I have replace many and the old ones you can shake it and it sound like a baby's rattle.
Hello sir I am having a fiery for canon a1200 which doesn’t boot up and show’s up ff on the motherboard display what can be done for it sir any solution pls
Yes, I think I might upgrade to an ssd with a fresh install.
The new communication cable you see on the Fiery attached to the 2070 looks to be a DisplayPort cable. If you end up not switching the machines but do need to switch out the RIPs you should be able to get a DP -> VGA (or whatever the other machine uses) adapter and it should hook up fine.
Oh neat, I didn't think of that. Thanks!
Amazing keep it up
Thanks!
For the processor: that looks like a normal Intel CPU. You should be able to test it in any ordinary PC as long as the CPU socket matches.
Good point, why didn't I think of that!
Anytime we had a slow Fiery, we had to install the software from scratch and if that don't fix it then you have to replace the Ram. After that it ran great. And when it comes to Dev units. A lot of times when you replace the Dev Unit, you have to make sure it is getting good connects on the points in the machine and also the unit.
Hello
Just wanted a small help from you .do u know anyone who deals with canon image press spares. If yes pls let me know it would help me a lot.
Yes, I think I'll reinstall next and take it from there. Thanks!
Couple months ago I had to replace the hard drive to my print controller. Reinstalling the operating system was a band aid fix. All good now though
Good to know. I think I'll just put a new HDD in before I reinstall. Thanks!
Phil, how did you install the new operating system on the HDD? With the USB tool? Do you have a service manual for fiery? justaprinterman@gmail.com
Please make sure that the thermal parameters of the pad are as good as normal thermal paste. Not all of them are.
I ordered paste and will fix that soon.
The transparency sheets might just be opaque for the type of light the sensors are using.
Thats what I figured. We will see how it runs in the future.
The CPUs barely go bad in any computer. Due to that fan being stuck most likely has been drawing overload from the power supply unit and the most common consequence on that is hard drive failure. We’ve reloaded Fiery in all my rips using SSD drives. The difference is very noticeable in booting and ripping time. As far as developing, there is an optical sensor most likely at the bottom that ‘measures’ toner amount into the drum. Thats get dirty. In magenta unit, as the most worked unit among 4 it gets dirtier until it throws an alarm or a code.
Thanks for all this info. I'll keep that in mind going forward to try to clean it maybe? Also, I love ssd's I'll have to do that!
He only gave you one sheet, geez at least 2 in case of a lucky print. I've accidentally printed things successfully that werent supposed to work, yet when I WANTED to print them you get the ole gray screen of death
Time to get the C4070 !
Oooo, that would be fun!
Ive printed on that before on my ricoh. CMYK rich black 60/40/40/100 and use maximum printer density in command workstation and should print dense enough for screens.
Good to know, I should have added more colors for a side by side test. Thanks!
A little tweak for the fan, you can take the fan blade out, clean some dust, put some grease at the bearing and the fan should work fine
Oh neat, I was wondering about that. I'll have to check if I still have it. New one arrives tomorrow. Thanks for letting me know!
I've done this several times in a fiery
Take fan out. Pull sticker off. Drop several drops of alcohol on shaft to take away dusty grease. Reapply grease. Ta-da
plastics are a touch and go thing with thwese machines. i try not to use thin ones as they melt within the fuser. i have printed plastics as far as c7000. as for screen printing try tracing paper.
I might have gotten lucky. He has more for me to print so we will see if it works again.
I've got a fiery system that went through a power surge and refuses to boot. I think the HDD is fried. It picks up the CD - rom but not the HDD that is plugged in. The drive spins up but it cannot be seen in the bios any tips?
Hi, I was looking to get a folder inserter for sports cards and was wondering if you had an recommendations? Don’t necessarily need it to be super quick. Just was looking for something that’s self-automated so I don’t have to stand their all day putting cards into envelopes lol
Not sure what size envelopes you are using, but an old bell and howell or phillipsburg like I have might work.
Gilclear vs UV Ultra. I thought Gilclear was discontinued. Anyway, I have tried both in the past and Gilclear did not work well. UV Ultra worked great. Perhaps the UV in the name suggests that it is UV transparent. The screen printer I was producing them for switched from film to UV ultra because it was a fraction of the price and the image density was much better than printing on film.
Interesting, I'll have to let him know. Yes, you are correct. I keep calling it Gilclear by habit!
I use transparencies with a white lead edge removable stripe on my C1060. I run as 80lb gloss text. Print face up.
Interesting, I heard they existed. Thanks!
Hi @justaprinter, your mobo it is A TYAN S5517, where can I find TYAN S5537 G2NR LE-EFI-B
V1.10 ? or the BIOS rom original firmware to flashing my ocrrupt ROM..?
Don’t bother the working machine! Keep the 2070 for backup.
Thats kind of what I was thinking.
I am pretty sure that your lack of magenta developer has something to do with your magenta drum replacement previously. There might be a voltage problem or a wrong adjustment on the drum so that it soaked out the developer. Saw that a few times on different Konica systems. Also I would recommend doing all the needed adjustments after replacing the dv units, that would be: Counter reset, developer replacement auto adjustment, toner density sensor init auto adj, gamma auto adj, color registration auto adj, density balance auto adj and a maximum density inital adjustment.
If I can help you out with a service manual just send me a pm.
Thanks for this. I have a manual. I think I did all of those adjustments, but I might have missed one. I need to get in the habit of getting the manual out and following it to make sure I get it all.
In rare occasions, it can be toner motor/clutch not running correctly, so the dev unit is not supplied enough toner.
There is no need to worry about the processor overheating and getting permanent damage. You may have shortened the lifespan of >25 Years by half a year at most. The ages where you could damage a cpu by simply not having enough cooling are long gone (temp sensor under the cpu, slow reaction time), the ages where you could still damage one by ripping the cooler off while peak load, are long gone too (temp sensor in the cpu). If that "slow" is the connection to the network: Check if you set manual static IP addresses (dhcp is slower). I once had slow and bad network because of a cheap cable where the latch on the RJ45 connector was a little short and the connector could slip out of the port just enough that the network card re-negotiated between 100 mbit/s and gigabit all the time.
If that's a mechanical HDD that would be my first guess, if you have non-ECC Ram that would be my second guess. Is there any method to read S.M.A.R.T. diagnostics data of of the drive?
Multiple people have menoted changing to an SSD and I like that idea. :) Not sure if I can do diagnostics of the drive. Thanks for the education about cpu's!
Put more RAM, an SSD (clone it with the usual toaster thing) reinstall from scratch and the thing will fly. Note EFI now supports SSD. Also the ram figure out the specs from the stick then get something equivalent but more ram in a stick from newegg or micron.
This sounds like a great idea, thanks!
Please do not put SSD in Linux based Fiery.
FS500 and above you can but nothing below. They changed the code on FS500 for SSD. KM is the only one that offers FS500 until next year.
Which specification lamination film should be better for laminating book covers?
I think m film is 1.5 mil nylon
Hi, Dan, just wondering how you set NCR books up for printing. Thanks Luke
If pages are numbered I just create a PDF that is numbered and print it. Or if I'm doing 100 sheet books, I make 100 page PDF.
@@justaprinter thanks
Server->Clear Server in cws does help sometimes :)
I'll have to do that!
nice vdo sir 👍
Thanks!
Makes me wonder why do we have PC’s attached to the printers anyways :/
Intergrated fiery? You mean a PC with linux OS phisically attached to the printer? Shouldn’t it be the other way around? One server multiple printers? What’s in it that can’t be handled by a network computer and send raw data to it?
I mean, large format Epsons also have a casing that looks like a PC. You can access it over the network via http so i guess there’s a PC in it too (never had a peek into it) but the ripping is done on one central machine of your choice that you install rip softwre on, which then transfers ripped data to it.
You have CWS, why is that thing even mounted there?
Hope someone can shed some light on it since i’m clearly missing something here. Br
Because an ethernet port is not enough to send/receive rip data. If you have noticed aside from the ethernet port there is another serial port cable that connects to the printer. Just a guess.
I think Proud Images in onto something. When we send a PDF to the RIP, the file size is small. But after the rip separates the colors and creates a raster that gets sent to the printer there is much more information.
How u turn off double sheet detector
I didn't turn it off. But I'm pretty sure you can turn it off in the expert adjustment.
I had a similar situation on a computer and the power supply was the culprit
Interesting. I wouldn't have guessed that.
@@justaprinter yes in the last 20 years I have replaced about 4 or 5 power supplies on different work stations or rips for ctp & digital presses all but one were completely dead until I replaced it, that odd ball one was erratic, I am assuming it was a voltage fluctuation issue but a new power supply resolved it. I used to leave the computers running at night now I shut them all down to save wear on the power supply. It's also possible one was taken out by a lightning strike 😳
Thermal pads are NOT designed for a CPU. Really meant for lower temp components like VRMs
How to get new software for integrated fiery
Mine have all came with a CD. You might be able to download it too.
@@justaprinter I don't have cd from we got
So how is generic toner going?
I have not used any so far. Now that I have an oem source.
Anyone run into a fiery on the 1060/70 that keeps crashing during runs? Example, I set it for 25 sets of 150 pages and it will randomly crash after printing 4,7,12 sets. I reboot each time and reset it. Only seems to happen on larger page files.
I would have that happen sometimes of certain files. It would print face down but when I made it print face up it crashed.
@@justaprinter Hmmm... I do print most everything face up, so I'll try face down. Appreciate the feedback!
Reprocess job using appe. Little check box in job properties upper left
@@JonathanJaynes thanks, I'll try that!
The 2070 is a better machine then the 10 series. They made just enough updates/ upgrades to make it worth running the 20 series over the 10.
Interesting, I might need to swap out the 1070 then.
Hello
Just wanted a small help from you .do u know anyone who deals with canon image press spares. If yes pls let me know it would help me a lot.
Sorry, I don't. I wish all digital press manufacturers would openly sell to the public.
No but canon is not selling any spares here in India
I would like to buy your 2070
Sorry, I'm keeping it.
Нельзя на процессор термопрокладку класть!
Спасибо, сегодня исправлю!
Use paste not pad
Yes, I have some on the way!
@@justaprinter required c1060 manual
Cause warming up so long.? In KM C1070 BP
Long warm up times could be blown lamps.