How I Would Get My First Job If I Started Over
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2022
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Just some of my thoughts on the job market. I know a lot of you are out there searching, so I thought I would throw this together.
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You missed a trick, "you'll get jobs faster, Blazingly Faster!"
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In TS, Rust or Go? 🤣
@@suic86 In JAVASCRIPT
@@ThePrimeagen hahahahaha
Yes! One-hundred percent! Building something yourself has and continues to be the ABSOLUTE best way to learn! Especially if the project *means something to you* . Something that you personally find would be useful, interesting, or fun is a good way to stay engaged. Not only that, but the more interested you are in *your project,* the more that rubs off on the recruiters during interviews when you talk about it! They will be able to sense that passion and excitement versus if you were to say... talk about the calendar, to-do list, or calendar you built.
No they wont.
Elaborate plz?
@@ollicron7397 yeah in a dream world maybe
Wow, 36, probably 37 now, but damn, I am 35 and I only know javascript, some frontend frameworks and some node and anyway… your channel on twitch has reinvigorated my thirst for learnig more and I bought the books on making an interpreter and a compiler in go and I started a pet project as well to learn and build an api, but in node - like you said once: new thing with known tech, not new thing with new tech or something like that. But seriously, really impressive that you are 36, with 4 kids and doing so much, I definitely have some carching up! You have my sub on twitch, great content, thank you.
"The harder you work the luckier you're gonna get!" YES!!
I actually really enjoy videos like these because it kinda helps me realize im on a good path and gives me pointers on what i could do better in terms of road-mapping my future career
I’m a senior MLE and your advice on interviewing being a skill is spot on. I hate it but you’re very right
yeah, it totally makes sense. if describing what your thinking in code is a skill, its as much of a skill to do it in english.
2:06 - 2:38 I'll leave this here as a reminder.
This is either a 100% awesome message and video, or it just has what I want and need at this moment. Really cool and encouraging and just practical advice.
This is some of the best advice I've seen on yt for getting a programming job, keep up the good work. Love the content :)
thank you primeagen! i've been programming for a couple years now, started on my own, went to a bootcamp (completely bombed it) been working on some personal projects of my own for some time now but have yet to apply for jobs because I feel like I'm missing something before i'm hireable. but likee you said I need to just take that leap and believe in myself ! seen a lot of your videos man and resonate with you quite a bit about many things, so seeing you successful makes me feel like I can do it too
This is awesome Prime. I really appreciate it. I just started working on my resume and getting ready to job hunt.
This video came at the right time. can't thank you enough Mr. Primeagen
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You’re amazing dude, you read my mind. Right now I’m in the coconut oily stage, practicing interviewing to get a second job
Fully agree with this. At the end of 2020 I was in my 4th year of college about to finish my degree in Political Science and I kept seeing all these articles and videos about programming which made me curious. I picked up the book Python Crash Course which is project focused and worked through it. By then end I felt like "I can do this". Within one week I withdrew from my college and enrolled into WGU starting the software dev degree in January of 2021. I immediately started applying constantly for the next 12 months, interviewing plenty and failing plenty. I spent a lot of time with school work but more doing projects. One year later at the end of 2021 I landed 2 offers, one a startup, and the other a pretty big company.
I did a pretty crazy thing by being so close to finishing and switching up. Probably not smart. I had an insane amount of anxiety at all times, and failing so many interviews one after the other sucked. But, I got REALLY good at interviews. by my 5th I new exactly what they would ask me. I had and still have really big confidence in my interviews now, and I think that only comes from experience, trying and failing. I had a lot of regrets last year, thinking it was impossible, that I could never land a job without being done with the degree and I screwed myself but here I am.
My 2 cents, Apply as soon as possible to any and everywhere. It helps you build and change your resume, as if you arent getting calls there is something you need to change. When your resume is good you will get interviews. You will fail a lot, but eventually you will gain a confidence and you will land an offer. I probably am lucky, but it wasn't without persistence, anxiety, fear. Just stick with it and don't be afraid to fail. Listen to Prime
ty for sharing
I had a rough time applying, submitted hundreds of apps and didn't even really get interviews. I was probably job-ready when I was 21 years old looking back(taught myself when I was 16, came back to it at 19). I was decimated by the job search and thought it was a lie and scam, and in some ways I still kind of think this. Started contracting in a niche when I was 23 and found a full-time position through a contracting job when I was 24, hired at mid-level. I'm respected at work and often balance out people's ideas. I feel lucky and unworthy, but I do my job well as I knew I would've years ago. It doesn't feel like I earned this for myself because of all of the failures I had in the job search, I was about to quit as a qualified and passionate dev at one point during the grind.
The job search is harder than learning to code or even coding itself, and I think that is a pretty huge problem. When you're denied opportunities for not having the perfect resume instead of just having the perfect credentials, I think there's something wrong. But this is the way of the world I suppose, it's not necessarily specific to coding :D
@RictorScale Thank you for you comment!! I'm glad I see WGU being mentioned. I was in the same position as you. I was in the pre-med path when I realized my GPA was never going to be good enough for me to get into med school and even if I did it was going to take longer than I expected for me to be a doctor. Then I came across WGU and opted in for the BS in CS program. I was just curious, did you have any problems with WGU being mentioned on your degree? As it is not as reputed as some of the other colleges (and it is an online degree so. )
@@mahidharnaraharisetty4212 Hey friend! The only thing I got from WGU on my resume was way more call backs from recruiters compared to not having any degree on my resume LOL. Unless you are trying to be ultra competitive most companies don't really care what school you go to, because the reality is most people have probably never heard of most the state schools that exist.
@@KineticCode That's really how I feel. I have very little patience for job apps when I'm spending all my time on study and programming on my actual projects. Coupled with my social anxiety, I got burned out of not getting interviews or even any kind of feedback about my resume from employers, and any consultation I got about it was never very useful, I am too autistic to be juggling applications at the same time as actually doing stuff and remaining healthy. I have never seriously struggled on any technical project, I am usually the strongest force on the team, and I have a degree in the field. I just loathe the job search so much, it seems pathologically designed to infuriate me.
Thank you. Just got rejected on a SWE junior level job interview yesterday even though my technical skills are enough, the HR interview didn't go well. You are right, interview skills are a separate thing. It stings to be rejected ngl but what I can do rn is to improve. Thank you again, Primeagen!
If you ever get rejected from a roll, definitely reach out for detailed information for why
And you can even state that you would like to get better at interviewing, you just need to know what you're failing at.
Soft skills and technical skills. Most juniors get so caught up with the technical stuff (algorithms, system designs, etc) that they forget arguably it's counterpart.
Sending this as my response to this question from now on. Incredible advice.
This is the way. I did this without a CS degree and I've seen multiple others do the same. Best part about the industry hands down.
That's a very American thing. Here in Europe nobody cares if you have CS degree or not.
@@yamiteru4376 you serious? I am 18 and finishing school and I love programming and i study a lot to work as a programmer but everybody around me says that i will miss a lot if I dont get a degree.
@@iosifbuliga1086 Well I've worked for international clients from all around the world and not a single time has anyone asked me if I have a degree. I do think it's an utter waste of ones time. I've been in the industry for the last 8 years. Right now I'm a senior fullstack TS dev and tech lead. When I have technical interviews with people who want to work at out company I never ask about the education. I always ask about code examples and I do pair programming so I can see how the other person thinks.
CS degree is maybe relevant only if you want to work on AI (not using the abstract libraries but actually doing the low leve stuff) or working for NASA.
Other than that it's useless.
I used the money from work to pay for the university degree. (Also I have 70% discount) And also I get money from government. Of course I have to keep the scores higher cause of that.
@@iosifbuliga1086 I think that if you have the time and money, a CS degree can only help. But if you don’t, it shouldn’t dissuade from getting into the field. Of course, it could also be great to go get some professional experience before choosing a degree
+1 on learning in-demand skills, getting your first job fast and saving that niche dream job for later. I learned a lot about myself at my first jobs. Found that to me the team size, decision making and a stable company was more important than the specific language. And I realised the dream I had while studying, about working at a bleeding edge startup, was not really based on anything except it sounded cool.
This is exactly the type of journey I have been on. Academia has been a completely separate effort for me and when I first started working I had to change my mentality and habits to a more applicative approach to solve real problems.
I really like your point about getting a job with JavaScript to get some income and support yourself while you train yourself and work towards what your actual goal is.
I decided to not purse a PhD in cognitive science last summer and taught myself full stack dev with a focus on react frontend in 8 months and have been working at my first dev gig since June. Not sure exactly what my goal is (I know it's not data science, I've ran far too many logistic regressions and power analyses with R in my lab to look at another glmm output), but it feels nice to be able to pay my bills, build up my resume, and learn new things at my job that I wasn't necessarily expecting to learn, all while working at night on fun things like making a PDF manipulation library in Rust.
There's a certain kind of self-worth, confidence, and autonomy the this field gives me that I didn't have in academia. Stuff is so rigid (and I'd say archaic) in academia, that it feels nice to get flexibility in software engineering.
Love your content, keep up the great work. Also, do you have a coconut oil cheat sheet with all of your most commonly used vim shortcuts? I've found the most precious vim gems to be mentioned in passing in your videos, but would love to skim them all to see what I'm missing out on.
"What Color is Your Parachute?" (book) really helped me with the entire job process, especially the interview. Highly recommend.
The most valuable video on this channel to me, thank you
Right click -> Inspect -> Start with just playing around in chrome dev tools. Modify existing sites to get comfortable with DOM manipulation, fetch, async/await, cookies/indexedDB/localStorage, window, etc. Chrome snippets (sources tab) & the console are your new best friends.
Quality content 100%, very accurate advice, as always!
The problem with "what I didn't do well" and "where the mismatch happened with the employer" is that employers almost never indulge this information. I always ask (I've failed all 7 of my final rounds) and only one company has given feedback. Only thing I can think of is it's an attempt to discourage practice-by-interview.
Thanks for the video, and the whole channel is super useful.
You mentioned 'Compilers', I'm a senior software engineer interested in studying compilers, But I don't know where to start.
I'm good at RUST, & System programming.
This is gold, I've been studying for a few months on software development and I've been stuck for the latest months cause I thought I needed always to be perfect on every bullet point of a job on LinkedIn and this made me anxious and stuck, this really gives me the boost and clarify to me so I put in more work, thanks a lot Daddy primeagen.
Absolutely agree with Prime. Been there done that. You don't have to be the best software engineer or come up with smart algorithms from leet code to get a good job. You need confidence and soft skills like communication. You're likely going to work with other smart people who you can learn from more in-depth than you ever could through a tutorial or course.
Dude, your Golden. Im studying social work and im here just because coding is a hobby for me and i like how you mix entertainment with infos. But from my point of view... Your Tips are damn good for everyone, not even just if you want to get a job in Tech industry :)!
I have seen this struggle your addressing by people in any branches.... A lot of friends, family members or just colleagues and mostly "clients" are struggling exactly with this mentality.
Long Story Short:
PLLZ LISTEN TO THIS GUY :DDD.
Hey, I really appreciate that. I've noticed you made a couple comments now.
Good luck on your change. I'm curious what prompt today? I also ask that you make a new comment, if you reply to this one. It gets lost in my inbox. And UA-cam does not have a good thread system
As long as I am blazingly fast to a new Primeagen video, I will get hired.
working in the area for >10 years, 100% agree with you Prime!
Funnily enough the do your own project thing is what I came up with to understand HTMX after using it once a year ago and seeing the hype. IMO doing projects is such a better way to learn. Another way that has helped me is to find someone elses project and try and add a new feature to it or improve one. Helps to get into the mindset of other coders too. I am trying to get into professional programming slowly but getting the knowledge up and the confidence to apply!
I got way too comfortable at my first (current) job and now it's 5 years later and I'm having to play catch up with the industry so I can get a better job. Instead of spending 5 hours playing video games after work I should have been spending at least some amount of time learning new tech and building projects in my free time.
It's ok you can catch up
my favorite thing is the memes and fun aside clips you do, reminds me of the office .
For me, a lot of the positions that I'm interested in require a degree so I'm working to finish mine. Plus it's a great way to push myself to learn things that I'd never otherwise try. Otherwise I'd just stick to like one of two languages I already know.
great advice! wish I'd seen it when I started out..some of this is applicable even if you're already experienced
Thank you prime! About to start applying to get my second job ☺️
Thank you for this GEM! Blazingly nice!
always fun to watch your videos
You made me want to build a silly side project. Thanks 💖
I can even link-proof the video topic. When you first did smth fully yourself afterwards it feels so confident to do smth similar again
I went to a few job interviews when I was still studying (around 5) but wasn't sure, if it's really a good idea to start working when I still have exams left. I guess the interviewers had the same opinion and I didn't get any of these jobs. When I finished my bachelor degrees, a friend of mine asked me, if I want to work at her company and they took me instantly... I didn't even apply anywhere else. I really learned a lot and I'm convinced at least for the first years, this company was the right decision.
Prime is so clear with words & presents thoughts which I also feel but never said.
Half month into job hunting, this hits HARD!
Thank you for your advice. You've described my situation perfectly. I really want to learn Rust because it's fast, it's easy to read like a high level language, and has a package manager. But it's hard to find jobs with it.
this is very informative. thank you!
Im 47 and I still learn all the time. You have too. I'm not saying what I learn I know it in and out, but I at least get the overview of it and then I try to decide if I wanna continue learning said thing.
I might kick myself later on for creating competition, but a very good way to get a job is (bug) bounties. You get
- a small scale commitment job
- you get paid for what you do
- you can leave AND get a first impression
- many of the companies on those bounty sites are actually looking to hire.
As a bonus, make sure to take the initiative and show up in their public standup, if they have one. Even if you are not yet accepted for the bounty. Got me into a lot of them to begin with, like "Since you're already here, there you go; start working on it."
Hi, I know I am 1 year late but do you have any examples of bug bounty websites that you used?
You get a job once you feel over qualified is my impression. I just got mine a couple months back after a very rough 18 months. JS, React, Java Spring Boot is my forte. But the job I got was straight front end. A lot of vanilla css html markup, JS and Jquery. Its a weird job. But now I'm programming what I want. And making a salary while doing so.
Thank you, Mr. ThePrimeagen!
Thank you for great suggestions and congrats on passing 100k. I still need to comment on your "Maintaining motivation as a software engineer" but that one might take a while, since I quite relate somewhat.
lDo you reckon if I have a tad bit longer message regarding the content of this video, should I post it on discord instead?
just FYI, i watched about 10 videos before pressing subscribe. But I'm subscribed already
Workin ‘ hard to get lucky! Thanks for the inspiration.
I would like to add that you should totally showcase your project and share it with different people. This way you can actually get feedback from other people and meet some awesome people too... who knows? Don't think that your project is not awesome enough to be shared, there are a lot of people like you out there too yk!
“or they feel they are too inexperienced” yep just described my daily feeling 😅
I do like the video! Such a great channel
ITS REALLY WORKED LOL THANK YOU DUDE
This man has been converted to rust :). That's awesome. I'm fortunate enough that I have a job (non software) so I can do whatever I want
for hobby programming. I've felt my way around and I've been doing native Android with jetpack compose lately. Kotlin is such a nice language to write in! I really felt accomplished writing anything successful in Rust..with Go definitely being my backend choice currently. It really was easy to pick up.
I started coding with Java in 08. And C in 2010. So I'm partial towards those ecosystems. JS is nice and easy, but it got messy REAL quick the moment I coded with 8 ppl. Which was earlier this year.
You’d be insane to use plain JavaScript anymore for any real project.
Just find the small companies. They’re often only regional companies, the pay is usually subpar but you’ll gain experience and the competition of applicants is smaller. That’s what I did
Or if you’re into frontend find small businesses that don’t have a website. Create a few static sites pitch it to them for a small fee maybe even a monthly fee for upkeep and list them on your resume
UA-cam needs a feature that detects "hit that subscribe button" and will cut that bit out if the viewers is already subscribed.
Love your content! Maybe as an Australian I can't tell the differences very well, but you sound a lot like Michael Scott.
Thank you mate!
Here again, and watch to see if I'm do not lose anything!
LOVE YOU MAN
I was studying CS in kind of a work/study way (dual studies). I quit after 1.5 years but I got a job at the company that was my partner company for the dual studies. I was actually doing pretty good so I thought one day: "Why not just apply and see how it goes?".
Although I had confidence I felt like an imposter in most interviews (though I could answer almost all questions that I was aksed). Feeling "not enough" is basically the state that most developer (even senior developers) are in. Just go out there and see if that's true, it will be worth the effort.
So I put myself on several platforms and I got contacted by 13 recruiters in 1.5 months and I had 6 job interviews.
My final interview (which was also a code interview) was at a dutch bank which offered me a position in their Amsterdam office (I'm from "rural" east Germany so this sounded exciting) as a software developer. I thought that I f*ed up the coding part - I got a coding homework which I had to explain later on in the interview. But I was telling them that there are some things that I am unhappy with in my coding homework and explained the in and outs of what I choose to do and why. They seemed not really interested and I was kind of sad because I really wanted that job.
Fast forward a week and I get the feedback that they wanted to work with me and I started the Pre Employment Screening, got all the contracts, etc.
I will leave my current company at the end of this week after working there first as a student and later as a developer for 2 years in total. I am really grateful that I got this opportunity from my current company and I it's kind of sad that I will be gone in a week and that this chapter of my life is over. On the other hand, I will have a new exciting job that pays 4k net at age 21.
If I could give you any advice: just go for it! See if your knowledge is sufficient. Gather some job interview experience. Just go to any job interview that is offered to you. Most are online anyways so you don't have to commute which means most interviews will only take about 1-2h at most. Even if you don't plan to work for that company, you will get an overview how much companies are willing to pay for your specific set of skills and if you lack any crucial skills that you need to learn.
Man, I am going through MAD IMPOSTER SYNDROME right now. I just signed an offer letter for a 6 figure web app dev for a company and I feel like im going to fail miserably and that I am unprepared for the role. I've been doing some for of web dev for 7 years and have some cool accomplishments under my belt. Its absolutely mind-boggling(literally) how your brain tries to sabotage itself in this industry. I know I'm going to get in there and figure it out like I have for all of my other jobs. Software is less about code and more about how you can solve problems that others cannot. Thanks for this post my friend, it really made me feel better! Good luck!
@@emericas1 it might help if we remind our brains of all the previous times that we felt like this but still managed to solve every issue that ever arrived.
So true! I'm now 10 months into this role and everyone in my company gives me praise and thinks im killing it. I still get imposter syndrome daily but I pay less attention to it. Trying to ride this out until im found out that I am a fraud ;)
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@@klausebasolving issues non matter what is such a super power.
As the Principal Janitor of TheStartup, I know this very well. It was a really rough road and interview process to enter TheStartup but it was well worth the blood, swear, and tears (many, many tears).
Watching all primey’s videos on 1.5x is an experience itself. I’d recommend 5/7 to do again - slap on meme word
As always, great.
Just do it what he's saying, worked for me!
team tic-tac-toe where you choose the least chosen option could be really fun (how would one even optimize? what's the perfect defect rate? what happens if everyone chooses a bad option?) you could even make it switch from random decision functions (you could even knowlingly supply someone the wrong decision function :):))
I like that, the harder you work the luckier you're going to get.
This guy talks to my consciousness every time. I thought I was the only one going through this. Thanks!
these advices not true that muc hanymnore after AI
@@ko-Daegu Sorry but AI isn't gonna replace programmers anytime soon, you still have to babysit it.
This weekend is gonna transform my life
I had my worst interviews as my very fist one after graduating with a cs degree. I was salutatorian and felt like I was king shit, since I was performing a career change at 30 and thought I had it all figured out. I was way wrong, I flew through 2 talking interviews but a simple "heres some broken Java code, fix it" turned into me sweating and stumbling for way to long. A humbling experience to say the least. Turns out all I needed to do was exactly what they said at the beginning, ask questions and be relaxed. I've gotten better but still dislike the lead up to a technical interview all because of that first fumble.
This is an excellent video. I will link it to people who ask me.
Been doing SE for 5 years now. Still find this video relevant.
Prefect ly relatable ❤
Yaayaya, the harder you work the luckier you get is the complete truth!
Thank you baby !
Nothing to add, perfectly said, that's it, that's the sauce
LETS GO
Invest in your skill will really paid off, indeed it is a long game but at least you have a place to look forward, a goal to aim.
Don't invest money, though. Only time and sweat. Whoever tells you that they can teach you something for money lies to you in this industry. This does not apply to real university education, of course. The reason why you have to invest money in that in the US is an abomination of capitalism that you just can't get around as a student. In other countries university is free.
I have the same job interview anxiety with 5 years experience. I don't know if I'm learning VIM for productivity, or to look cool in the interview.
Great advice
I’m 50 and still discovering things I like to do
Because of your intimidations, i pressed the subscribe button
Got A's in my associates at night school while I was full time in operations management. (I'm a former master mechanic, so diag and unfucking things is enjoyable for me.)
I joked about going to Meditech and then moving to Tokyo and using survival panic to get good.
*Gets ghosted by Meditech and others, also have had several "entry level" listings that are clearly looking for mid level*
I've had interviews where I feel like an idiot and others where I've been praised for my interviewing, but my technical side is clunky.
So getting feedback from rejections is valuable information, but everyone I know with 10-15+ years was in the same boat at some point. Eventually I'll find a place and I'll have to take a huge pay cut, but professors don't explain this part of the dance lol.
The tech industry is hilariously clunky despite the promise of almonds in the "snack space".
Prime you're damn right!
Wow, getting in 5 minutes more info than in all the infinite hours of content before on this topic
Building projects will help a lot trust me!!
3:43 > "I'm 36 years old and I'm still discovering things I didn't realize I like to do". there is always more, there is no age to stop learning and having fun. You only find out after trying out new things
I've had a game in GitHub repo and in couple of job interview people have asked or commented about it. So having something to show people is important
That's interesting to know. I've always wondered if silly side projects would help or hurt the interview if I made them public.
@@tinystego1836 definitely won’t hurt
@@JeatBunkie It could hurt if you gave your side project an unprofessional name such as, oh I don't know... "titty-sprinkles "
It's also a great way to pad a resume. Even with 3 years of experience, it's hard to fill a full page with just work experience. So i keep 2-3 side projects on my resume, and try to have those show that i have skills in areas that i don't necessarily have professional experience in.
Diving into JS, learning a bunch of new thing, my next step is to put some of the knowledge i got from JS, and apply it into my old projects. PS (JUST LOVING LEARN JS. it's my first programming language)
C is fun if you want to learn the underlying fundamentals of pcs or even assembly. It makes you understand the upper level languages 10 times more and even find bugs easier since you know how PCs behave more.
No shame in loving JS. I know a fair bunch of language and still love JS (although I mainly use TS since I'm comfy with types).
What was your first project in JS?
@@BboyKeny A text based blackjack game, in a nearly future I wanna rebuild it using ReactJS to render the cards.
can confirm it worked for me getting internships in 2021 during 1st year of university
your polite way to ask for likes worked, I've liked the video twice :)
... wait... does that mean you disliked it?
I absolutely hated SQL at University. It was a just another complex thing I didn't want to learn because it wasn't programming. For whatever reason all these tables and joins just didn't click in my head. It was just something I had to get done so I could work what I actually wanted.
Once I graduated and got my first job I had to use SQL for work and absolutely fell in love with it and eventually went on to became a Database Administrator. Primeagen is completely right. Your first job doesn't have to be exactly what you want. As long as its a step in the right direction there is a good chance you will enjoy aspects you didn't think you would.
Thanks Prime.
Serious question Primeagen. How much coconut oil do you have? A couple jars? Buckets? Barrels?!? DOES YOUR BODY PRODUCE COCONUT OIL??!?
OKAY I PRESSED THE BUTTON NOW (and yes, it was actually lots of them)
So if I want to build a simple calendar application like what the iphone has, how do I even figure out how to start?
It seems simple but idk how to even start.
Don't forget, you are also interviewing them. You need to asses if you want to work there as well. You are on the same level as them