River of Fire RAGE! Is AvoS an Inconsistent, Sloppy Cash-in?
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All it took was one quote from this book to piss me off. Throw in some lazy cover art and a few terrible names, and you got this video.
Please note, this is NOT meant to be a full review on this book's overall quality. Its just a rant on an old-school's fans feelings of betrayal from this arc's disrespect to previously established character development and lore.
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Keznen haha omg what if those will be there real names lol
Hilarious Laziness pays off with their warrior names.
Not
Omg yes lol.
maybe those two warrior names becoming canon is the meaning of life.
Maybe that will make that the warriors name! And then thriftpaw will go and make a thrift shop
The reason the covers changed is because sadly the original artist pasted away... but yes I do agree they need to put more work into it, but we all need to understand why they changed.... orange and red my gosh...
I will stand by the fact that Shattered Sky was the last DECENT book in this series
Cause this series went downhill after the Erins decided “LETS KILL OFF THE MAIN VILLAIN IN BOOK THREE” cause any novel series kills of the main antagonist during the third book
Oh wait...
*THEY DON’T*
And tbh they should’ve had Twigpaw called Twigshine and Violetpaw called Violetshade
roses are red
violets are blue
briarlight is dead
and I am to
Bruh! 😆😂😅🤣
I think the new covers are really pretty (not all of them tho)...just not for warriors.
But the covers have always looked different in my country (Germany) and I was never able to tell the characters apart because they completely looked the same >-
KleberxD Did you know that they are going to redesign the german covers?
Blacecam LG
Nah, I stopped reading warriors a long time ago and I'm rarely keeping up on stuff like that, but like I said: I never really liked the old ones either c:
KleberxD Well, good cause the new ones SUCK. I really like the old style and I hope im just misunderstanding something
Blacecam LG Okay, I just looked them up and holy shit...they look bad...like really *really* bad. I want to know who thought this was a good idea
KleberxD But at least it seems like the next books that are coming out (Darkest Night, Hawkwings Journey and Dovewings Silence) still have the old covers (+ I just hate how EVERY single Super edition features amber/yellow eyes besides Mothflights Vision)
I would really love to see an evil medicine cat. I think it would be really interesting to see how that would play out, as well as being really refreshing.
The next series should be with a new writer and all the clans and the cats should be wiped out completely with only one or two cats left to survive on there own and make a new place to live.
I'm kind of writing a series like that with my friends, except it takes place farther in the future. If you want to check it out, I'll send you a link to it.
(Clarification, it isn't like futuristic and technological and stuff, I meant it takes place farther past when Warriors did)
Unfortunately, Quiet Rage. The artist that made the original covers sadly died at the age of 71. I know that not everyone can make designs the same way but I honestly agree. I haven't read any of the books but I know a lot about omen of stars and the first series, I've also seen most of the covers and the originals are better in a way. The original covers are, yes, unique but the new ones make the cats look very realistic. My favourite covers are the originals though. The Erin's should try and get some more people to help them with ideas. The Warriors franchise is going down hill extremely fast and from the way things are going, let's just say a lot of Warriors UA-camrs will most likely have to quit. I'm very disappointed Erin's...
I agree with a lot of points in this video. Personally, Twigshade would have been a much better name, as it would help represent her gray coat and the parallel between her and Violetshine. Twigbranch feels lazy and unoriginal, though -branch could represent the strength and determination she withheld through her struggles. In no way does this mean I like the name. While I do think thrift is actually a kind if plant, both that name and Flipkit’s name irk me the wrong way. Honestly, I do truly like the covers of the new books, but I miss the unique feel and the general ability to tell which cat was on the cover. The plot feels a little lazy and jumps all over the place, such as Alderheart’s thing with Velvet, I think her name was. Truly, I don’t really think there was much if a point to her and Fuzzball or whatever the hell his name was residing in camp, or at least to my memory. Tigerstar being ‘revived’ in a sense breaks all rules and annoys the hell out of me, especially since I dislike his character as a whole and don’t think he’s a fit leader.
I think that’s it?? I honestly want to like the new series but I’m quickly loosing reasons to. The only parts that really played with my emotions were Rowanclaw’s death (I used to like his character quite a bit) as well as Briarlight’s due to the development she got.
I like the names twigpelt or twigfur , and I like twigshade as well.
@@pumpkinzstudios2809 The common suffixes, ah yes.
Actually Kate named her Twigshade but the editors changed it.
i'd prefer twig branch because it fits more then twig shade in my opinion lol
I hate Tigerstar
Ī hate the new series
Ī hate the covers
And I HATE THAT BRIARLIGHT IS DEAD
Briarlight has had a harsh life since she became a Warrior when the tree fell
She did deserve to...
Live on until she can be a elder.
They needed the lesson that: just because you have broken arms/legs or even disabilities you can still have a normal/average lifespan
Unlike Snowkit got carried by a hawk when she was just a deaf kit
And Jayfeather already has had enough trouble being blind for his whole life
It just seems like the ones who get permanently injured is the ones we care about most (Ex: Brightheart was my favourite cat before Dovewing [until I heard she had kits with Tigerheat/Tigerstar! like bruh! Bumblestripe was better])
We needed her to be alive at least a few books longer
She would have made a great mother, the wiki claiming she could still have kits
I'm okay with tigerstar
I like the new series
I like the covers
I HATE THat she is dead ;-;
Nuhh you spoiled it! I'm only on the first one in the new series! How did she die? :(
sorry unicorn! she died of greencough
I mean, they didn't really have a choice when they had to choose a new cover artist. Wayne McLoughlin passed away. But they could've at least kept the style the same, and why did they have to go back and redo all the old covers?
ilikecats oh
Exactly! I like the new covers, but gosh! Tge old ones are so rare! That is kinda rude to change it though. I think it would look cool with Wayne's design and the new art combined
At my book store(bam) It has the old covers in an exclusive area for barging price with only omen of the stars. And owen Richardson can do Wayne's design but did not want to. Like what the what?
I'm gonna keep my The Last Hope book with the original cover until the books with the original covers are worth thousands of dollars so I can get filthy-rich.
yea it is sad, but the change was so abrupt in 2015. I had gotten Path of Stars from DotC w/ the original sleeve on it(it was a hardcover). Inside the sleeve was a “poster” with the new map and already containing a sneak peek to AVoS and with the new looks in the back pages up to DotC which hadn’t the new covers yet. it is a first edition which makes it all the more valuable- yet it still pains me to see the change in the covers knowing someone has a similar style out there
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE COVERS!!!
I hate the covers so much, they all look the same!!
And they sometimes just traced over the previous covers they did.
the covers are creative dumpster wrecks with no sense of identity using the exact same cat face over and over again.
they feel like recolored sonic ocs.
Now that that is out of my system.
Just out of curiosity I do have to ask, did you read the whole book through?
of course either way doesn't disregard your feelings as they are valid.
there are flaws with the new series but I find every one of the warriors books regardless of series has their super dumb scenes including the first series.
(Like how the authors didn't know how they wanted to approach yellowfangs roll and made her way too antagonistic to the point where my partner was actually frustrated that she didn't kill the kittens because that's what seemed to be the intended pay off. yellowfang from the first book is different from yellowfang from the second book.)
I do agree the amount of dumb is on a different level but at the same time there are some legitimately good scenes to me.
No, the only part I've read is the quote I mentioned. And I read a few cliffnotes from various chapters.
I agree that every Warriors book has its flaws, even the originals. I don't know about the Yellowfang thing, since I haven't spent much time exploring her character, but it would be an interesting twist if she wasn't as innocent as she originally was.
Admittedly, I think if they waited to kill Briarlight off a bit longer, it could really be something. The scene of Alderheart and Jayfeather talking to each other about their grief shows a real connection between them, impressive considering that one of the series' biggest weaknesses is not establishing a strong bond between characters.
I think the jayfeather scene works so well because he was so well established.
when the last book comes out I plan to make a comprehensive guide to what worked in the new series and what flopped hard and to a count between the two.
Also the new covers are almost all traced off of one another.
you think that with the new series only produsing a book once every 8 months would give ample time for a decent artist to produse unique covers but nope.
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Galaxy Mew ikr!!! River of fire actually looks exactly like Thunder rising as well
Come on ppl
Also I want a patiton to change poor twigbranch's name
Also also I actually love the new covers
Funny penguin I’m dying.... petition
Funny penguin I'm planning on finding the book online, putting it in a writing thing, editing it, then printing it so it looks like the original.
Phoenix Bloom
That's a brilliant idea then maybe we wouldn't get stuck with crap like twigbranch
Before Twig got her Warrior name, I was on a stream where everyone was joking about her becoming Twigstick. I see no difference between that and her canon name.
Poor, poor Littlestickbiggerstick
The first series was about a kittypet learning to overcome a stereotype that made him strive to work harder, to prove himself worthy. Fireheart, formerly a soft kittypet, became a leader.
I thought highly of this series since it could relate to many people.
Omen of the Stars was not as relatable, since it was mainly about 3 special cats. Then, the Erin’s decided to give up everything we had previously learned about StarClan and the Dark Forest by letting StarClan and Dark Forest cats somewhat come back to life...or at least where they could die again but permanently, so they could fight each other. Which, in terms, seems less interesting as the series that come before it.
Also, before Omen of the Stars, the basic plot line was a bit harder to guess. After that series came out, it was abundantly clear that each book would have a mini problem of its own (A badger, a dog pack, beavers, droughts, etc) which was eventually solved by the end of the book; however, these small problems led up to the largest problem at the end of that particular series (like the Dark Forest Battle).
Since the basic plot has become so predictable, not the problems the characters face, but the predictably from the readers standpoint in knowing there will be some problem, has made the series dull.
-sorry for my typos, I sometimes don’t catch them-
Jaguarzk AJ All arc except one were about more than 1 cat... What kind of argument is that?!!
Francis Thompson obviously an argument too mature for you to understand. My argument has nothing to do with how many main characters there are in an arc. Maybe you missed it, but my argument was about the story. Omen of the Stars gave Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Dovewing powers to help defeat the Dark Forest. However, in The Prophecies Begin, Rusty has nothing to help him battle the stereotypes he is facing. What’s even more amazing about that arc is that it shows us that anyone can be anything, since Rusty started out as a discriminated kittypet who had to work twice as hard to prove himself worthy, but he eventually became one of the greatest leaders ThunderClan has ever had.
Jaguarzk Firestar was the greatest thunderclan leader. He wouldn't let any of the clans die, and helped them in their time in need.
Savannah Angel Yeah, but his character went downhill after Darkest Hour and he became character development? What’s that? Also, I found that he was super boring and had no character outside of being the forest’s saviour.
After the Darkest Hour, his character did seem to take a downfall, but nonetheless, I still think he was a good leader. I mean... I wouldn’t say he was the best, since that involves too much bias, but he was one of the better leaders.
In the first ard, his most seen character trait was his determination to be a good character.
But after he decided to try saving every clan every time one of the others were in danger, he just seemed predictable and boring. It is important to make sure no clan dies out, but sometimes it is best to let them handel some issues on their own. If they don’t, then the other clans would become dependent on ThunderClan to come to the rescue every time they are in trouble.
I think I have a theory why Tigerstar Jr. (Tigerheart) was 'resurrected'.
I found an article from 2016, which was about a study that deals with the moments shortly after death.
According to this study, even after cardiac arrest, consciousness (brainstem) would be active for a short time (4-5 minutes).
And people can be revived even after some time after cardiac arrest. (Yes, I know that in Warriors the medicine cat are not doctors (so medically advanced)).
But let's assume that the starclan gave Tigerstar his lifes shortly before the end of 4-5 minutes and somehow made that his heart start beating again ... So technically he might have been brought back to life that way ... this theory is clearly still expandable ... So, add something ... please
And the resurrection of starclan cats would not work because the cats have no bodies (their bodies were buried ...)
PS: I'm not an expert on such topics
We need a Game Theory spin-off, Warriors Theory!
Midnight wolf That would be the best thing ever 😍
•Slowly waiting for hate comments while eating popcorn on the side line•
I also hate tigerheart, and agree with most of these opinons. So hate on me to, just don't touch my popcorn.
Spirit The Espeon *touches the popcorn*
That's not a good idea (hides in corner)
Foxiana 123 •Bitch slap• I TOLD YOU. DON'T. TOUCH. MY. POPCORN.
Spirit The Espeon ... *Cri*
Foxiana 123 >:3
i agree that tigerheart's resurrection was lazy but i don't actually hate the books as much as you do. they just seem a little rushed, like they're releasing a rough draft. at least most of the novellas that are coming out are at the very least more polished and interesting. spottedleaf's heart and mapleshade's vengeance have such dark undertones and it makes you feel a lot more than avos books.
I do totally agree with the name thing. warrior names are so flexible and can be used to describe a character. example: sage can mean wise or it's the name of a plant. horizon is where the sky meets the land but also a very free sounding word (idk how much sense that made lol). simple names are great too. graystripe is my favorite warrior name. he's gray and striped. perfect.
For anyone who’s wondering what Thrift is in nature
Thrift is a type of flower, also known as Armeria maritima
I think most of the problems with AVoS can be traced back to the publisher. I dont think the characters were that bad, but HC really wanted the extra $$$. I'm not going to pin the blame on the Erins for this one. I do like the new books, btw, but I think they could be better if HC was not so greedy for $$$ (Then again, is there a business that ISNT?)
P.S. Time to sue HC for Customer Dissatisfaction.
I would like to add that the new covers are not bad, per se, but the originals just did them SO much better.
Same here. Corporate greed ruins everything. I don't blame the Erin's, I think these books are desperate cries for help.
Hi Ace of Spades, It's me Solarstrike/Thornfang (Jellyswarm)!
Oh hey! nice to see ya!
You too!
Hey quiet, someone actually opened my eyes to a meaning behind twigbrach's name, she starts out as a small weak twig, but through training and life she becomes a strong sturdy branch (and yes while the name is kinda dumb, sometimes you gotta think poetically, I honestly think twigfall sounds nice)
Foxiana 123 they even announced this in the book at her warrior ceremony, Bramblestar had a whole paragraphs dedicated to explaining the reasoning behind her name
Foxiana 123 still not a good name.
Cool motive, still a bad name.
@@thelanktheist2626 wow, never heard that opinion before
THANK YOU. I love Warriors and the books are a staple of my early childhood, but the first and third series were the only ones that was actually good. Oh, and Dawn of the Clans. Other than that though, the rest were really boring and only had 1 or 2 characters I enjoyed reading about. And can we just MENTION how much of a train wreck characters have become? I can hardly keep track of the cats in ONE Clan.
It’s really a shame. I hope after this series the Erins move on, and never do another Warriors series again- although I would love to see some more Super Editions.
Plant Sprout I only cared about 1 character from the newest series and now she's dead.
MapleshadeDarkRay_YT
Needletail? Idk if that’s who you’re talking about, but I really liked her. I can’t help thinking it’s kind of an sequel of the Dovewing and Ivypool situation though.
You like Power of Three to? Yes:)
Plant Sprout agree with you 100% ...sadly a seventh arc has been confirmed :( WHY ??!?!?!
there's going to be a 7th series after this one
Am I the only one who likes this book or AVoS in general? Like it ain't perfect, but holy heck the amount of hate it's getting is unreal.
I love AVoS, and this book wasn’t bad. I like the Tigerheart twist too
I agree with most of this, well, all of it. But thrift actually means 'a European plant which forms lowgrowing tufts of slender weeds with pink flower heads, growing chiefly on sea cliffs and mountains,' as well.
Still doesn't make much sense but at least its a tiny bit better.
I laughed when cinderpaw called tigerclaw a stupid furball when he was asking questions instead of helping silverstream’s newborn kit. It was a sad moment but cinderpaw lightened up the moment a bit.
Hey don't worry about who lives for dies, it's only Harper Collins that forces the Erins to write all the deaths without giving them a choice
i remember reading into the wild for the first time and it had such a charming and unique feel to it. while reading it i felt what firepaw felt, i could sense the heat of the sun on my skin and the cold breeze of the forest when i read that book, i read it again after 3 years and then i skipped directly to river of fire, and not even 50 pages in it just didnt have the same charm?? everything feels rushed and isnt giving me any irl sensations the way into the wild used to,,, alSO I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO HATED THE NEW COVERS AAAAA YOU BRING SUCH A GOOD POINT?? the first series that got translated in my country has the original book covers and its such a nice feeling to see these nostalgic book covers, and now the second series has the new covers and they lost all of their charm honestly #makewarriorsgreatagain
Still can’t believe that ThunderClan let Dovewing go so quickly.
How about we all agree that everything after The Last Hope is not cannon?
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING!
Also, how the heck is TigerStar special?
What the heck warriors?!
Also who agrees that SquirrelStar will
never happen
I love her, but we all know she’s going to be killed off, sadly
Why?
CUZ THEY CANT MAKE WARRIORS
GREAT AGAIN
Instead of reading the new books
I end up reading the first two series
Lilac Cloud there is some similarities. Thanks. I think I changed my mind (Also NorthStar would be cool XD)
I’m glad I stoped reading at dawn of the clans... we should rewrite the new books to make them better! We should make better versions of the new books actually work in cannon!
I second this
So you're gonna throw out an entire arc because someone made a rage video about a book that they've only skimmed? Alright.
this isn't about "Throwing out a entire arc" this is reading the books, taking the story fixing the minor mistakes and putting our own spin on it while keeping the same basic story! This isn't "throwing it out"
Moon Shadow They said "rewrite" not "fix minor mistakes". If they agree with everything in this video then these "minor" mistakes will be "major" plot points they don't like.
What they meen by "re-write" is make it in their own style every writer has a different style, they can't just copy-paste writing. And if it gets too far from the books it's no longer a re-write and it becomes a fan timeline, this is NOT what we are trying to make
LET WARRIORS DIE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
I love this series as much as the next person but seriously?
If another arc comes out I will be very disappointed. I can't really see how this series can have any new ideas or plot points that aren't completely deprived.
A seventh arc was confirmed already. My god. They won’t ever quit, will they?
Earlyclan
At least Crowfeather is getting the super edition he deserves!
Also can you Rage on the new series the hunters are makings called
“Bravelands”
Sorry, I’m not the one who named the kits, the hunters did...
I’m fine with the new books, their ok, but I do agree with what you said about the covers. It’s all the same color scheme! They all just look like Firestar (except yellowfang) but with different colored eyes because of the lighting. But I do hope that the Erin’s, if they make another arc, try and talk to their editors and make them understand that they shouldn’t have as much control as they do now, because it’s a good sized chunk of why the series is lacking what it once had. I’d also wish they’d ask the new artist to switch up the color scheme a bit, tone down the new cgi-like style a little, and not give as much harsh lighting.
Here are my thoughts about AvoS, what's good and what's bad:
The GOOD AvoS side:
1. Glad to see that the main character(s) aren't related to Firestar (I consider Alderheart a secondary character, there and useful, but no the main focus.)
2. There's no true villain and the problems are more about struggles in life, mentally and physically.
3. It showed what happens when a non-medicine cat goes to the moonpool
The BAD AvoS side:
1. Characters are bland and unoriginal. The cat in a forbidden love, the cat trying to choose between kin or who they love, and the cat who has a sibling in another clan. We've seen all of this with Leapool, DoveWing and Bramblestar. It's getting boring.
2. Bramblestar. Just. Bramblestar. I don't like him, he's the cliche son of the bad guy who becomes a leader, why couldn't he just be a normal warrior? He's a terrible leader and his character is just obsolete in AvoS, a leader should be a important figure and character in a book. Bluester and Firestar's presences were important, Bluestar made Firestar the cat and leader he was. She saved his life and had a vital purpose in the first arc. Firestar was a main character in the first arc, and he also had a purpose in the second, third and fourth arcs, especially in the third and fourth arc. Wow that was long.
3. Twigbranch. You don't need an explanation.
4. The plot is weak and boring. There are many other plots that would better serve than this one, such as a future lake where Firestar and the Dark Forest battles are now known as legends, or a bear killing off cats one by one, and the clans trying to find out why cats are suddenly disappearing or etc.
End result:
I don't like this arc.
I actually thought the main cat on the cover of river of fire was firestar. Also, So. Much. fucKING. FIRE
Its super upsetting to see the books I grew up with dying. They helped me get through a really shitty time and it really hurts deep inside to see them just.. flopping over. Every book used to have me on edge excited for more! Sure the wait time was painful but it was far more worth it. I wish the erin's could just change publishers and atleast have a slim chance of returning the books creativity.
Err thanks for telling me what I know at the end. But there were some really good moments for me in this newest series. Needletail, for one, had a fantastic character arc over the first three books, and her heroic sacrifice at the end of Shattered Sky did get me. I think a lot of people, even myself after I first read the scene, noticed the similarity between it and Stonefur's death scene, but I think that there were key differences that made the payoff of Needletails sacrifice hit harder, at least for me. Stonefur was always a hero, and there was never a moment in the books where I thought he might hurt Stormpaw to save his own skin.
Needletail on the other hand, was a selfish brat who had turned on her family and community on multiple occasions. She had had some moments with Alderpaw and Violetpaw, but it was always shown from a different character's perspective, and there was always the question of how genuine she was. Throughout Shattered Sky, we saw that she was heavily motivated by fear for her life, only plotting against the Kin after Darktail began to view her with suspicion. The series of events in that book served as a humiliation/trauma conga line for her, and while you could see her start to behave more altruistically throughout the book, even while in captivity, there was a sense at that point that she had lost hope for survival.
After being half drowned near the end of the book, she was offered a chance back into Darktail's good graces, and I think, for the reader, there is actually a question of what Needletail will do at that point, whether her development will stick, or she'll choose the selfish route.
I also felt for a lot of ShadowClan side characters Dawnpelt being betrayed by her children, wanting to escape ShadowClan with her parents and brother, but staying behind out of motherly love, only trying to escape when she had convinced her sons to leave with her, and had realized Sleekwhisker was too far gone. Everything about Puddleshine.
Briarlight's death, to me, was handled really well. It was probably the one part of Raging Storm that didn't make me want to throw the book. I liked the scene where she realizes she isn't going to make it, and just wants to be near her family until the end comes. And maybe I'm just a sucker for tragedy, but I like that it was the one most invested in keeping her healthy was the one who ultimately got her sick.
I have more! But I think this is getting long.
I definitely think that there's a lot of problems in A Vision of Shadows, but I wouldn't want for it not to have been written.
I do think a lot of the covers are pretty, but you're definitely right that their designs are awful when it comes to making the series stand out. Still love Shattered Sky's cover though.
I completely AGREE with you...
Honestly I thought it was disrespectful to “redo” the old covers after the OG artist passed away. He’ll always be remembered... until they remade the cover art and stopped selling the old art. It’s screwed up in my opinion, and the fact that they killed off Briarlight WAS rude, especially after Vicky left. The whole story is getting boring and it’s falling apart. The fact that they’re not even trying anymore disappoints me to the point where I’m just going to stop reading. I’m already invested enough to read the last book in the arc, but after that ITS OVER.
I agree with you. Warriors should have ended with The Last hope. After that they're just pushing it too far. You're so right, I don't have the same feelings I had before for the older books for the new books...
I miss the old Warriors books and covers.
Then we would have missed out on some cool things the series brought us. I loved the first half of VoS (except the Darktail backstory reveal). The Darktail plot was captivating and brought a different threat than illness, predators, weather, and battles to Warriors. It tore apart the code and what being a Clan really meant. It brought SkyClan to the mix. All of which are awesome.
But, the potential set up for redeeming the mess that was Omen was lost in book 4 and onward. The authors needed time to plot and write their new arc and the publisher forcing them to make 2 books a year doesn't give them that. Hence failing quality. River of Fire hits the emotional moments (Briarlight and Rowanstar) but doesn't impact the characters or the Clans. Each moment is contained in one scene that doesn't do anything afterward. SkyClan's coming doesn't even affect the Clans much when it should have.
It is possible the authors can make up for their failure with this arc in the last book, but I highly doubt it. At this point you can tell they are trying to fill 6 books with a 3-4 book content by stretching out blander scenes and characters. The ideas are great, they just can't develop it properly with the time they are given.
@@CatoftheStorm okay i know i'm really late but i have to say i do agree with you. When i wrote that comment i hadn't read all of VoS. I did enjoy quite a few parts of river of fire and the first books and it did bring some good plot points. I loved the fact that SkyClan came back! Now i don't believe that the series should have ended with the last hope, but i have to admit that they could have done better with VoS.
No worries, it is good to see what other people think. I'm glad you got to finish the series!
i think that after the last hope they shouldve done a series set in the future
I love hearing your opinion. 👍
Also some Twig names I thought of: TwigFall, TwigShadow, TwigTail, TwigEar, TwigWhisker, TwigBlossom, TwigStripe.
Anything before TwigBranch.
Lost Coyote same I thought here name was going to be twigtail as a reference when alderpaw gave the reason for her name
I think I have a theory why Tigerstar Jr. (Tigerheart) was 'resurrected'.
I found an article from 2016, which was about a study that deals with the moments shortly after death.
According to this study, even after cardiac arrest, consciousness (brainstem) would be active for a short time (4-5 minutes).
And people can be revived even after some time after cardiac arrest. (Yes, I know that in Warriors the medicine cat are not doctors (so medically advanced)).
But let's assume that the starclan gave Tigerstar his lifes shortly before the end of 4-5 minutes and somehow made that his heart start beating again ... So technically he might have been brought back to life that way ... (this theory is clearly still expandable ... So, add something ... please)
And the resurrection of starclan cats would not work because the cats have no bodies (their bodies were buried ...)
PS: I'm not an expert on such topics
Um............
I think....
You may have copied.... nvm I shouldn't
Chamops Chap It's okay. My original comment kinda disappeared, so I write it again on my second channel ...
Phoenix 1410 Alright!
SPOILER WARNING!!!!!!!!!!
Hi! I just wanted to say I completely agree with you on some of this! The writing doesn't grab me the way it used to and I don't feel a great connection with the characters. The ONLY moment I felt emotion from was when Sandstorm died. Sandstorm is my favorite cat in the entire series. I love her so much and it KILLED me when she died. I read in the wiki that she was killed to 'thin the crowd' and I was so angry. Sandstorm deserved so much more than that. Her death, while tragic, didn't have the spirit of the cat I came to know and love. The wiki also said the authors would have liked to see her die defending her Clanmates. Well, then why the heck didn't that happen? A blaze of glory for a glorious cat.
Thank you for sharing your opinions and I will continue to enjoy your videos. Keep being amazing!
I hate how they brought Tigerheart back to life when there were plenty more cats that actually DESERVED it.
[Inhale]
Needletail
Sorreltail
Seedpaw
Tadpole (well he's not a clan cat but STILL)
Hollyleaf
Feathertail
Yellowfang
Russetfur
Nightpelt (star)
Bluestar
Ravenpaw
And so many more!
Cailín -w- not needletail and no not hollyleaf!
@@FabulousFeathertail Needletail sacrificed herself, is that not good enough?
I loved reading tallstar’s revenge! We need more books like that! And front covers like it!
Why is the original cover was change, 'cause the frist artist died. R.I.P you have been missed
Malica NightWhisker Still, they could at least have kept the old ones.
Francis Thompson yea that could be more smarter.
They still could have kept the same composition and concept
Do you even English m8?
Francis Thompson Why? wouldn't it look weird for them to suddenly go from old to new. Besides if that had happened, then people would be complaining that they didn't go back and make new covers for the old books
I honestly feel you're overreacting. Like, a couple of bad parts completely destroy the book for you? A few dumb names, one of which isn't really the author's fault (I honestly don't think Thriftkit and Flipkit are that bad, a bit odd, but not awful since thrift is a flower), and ONE quote? That's enough to destroy the book for you? You could argue that the only reason they resurrected Tigerheart was because he was the only one the ShadowClan cats were willing to listen to, and Tawnypelt couldn't because she was too heartbroken over Rowanstar's death (they actually said that in the book). And to be completely fair, you didn't really read the book, you only skimmed through it.
I do agree that the Briarlight thing should've been done a bit later, even though I think it might've been a coincidence and I don't think the Erins intentionally did that.
Also, I kind of agree with you on the covers. Although, "disgraceful" is a strong word, and using it as proof that the series is creatively bankrupt is a bit of an exaggeration.
I just honestly think you're being a bit unfair. I mean, the entire arc is destroyed because of one super edition and a couple of bad parts? You even admitted that you enjoyed Shattered Sky quite a bit, and you were even excited for the next book for a short while.
I'm sorry if I'm being rude, but I genuinely feel you're being unfair. Books are going to have some bad parts to them. They cannot be masterpieces, and there are going to be some things that you hate in it. I hate Twigbranch, and I'm not a huge fan of Dovewing leaving ThunderClan (let's just agree that her and Tigerheart deciding to bang and have kits was stupid of them in the first place, because they wouldn't have had any dilemmas), but it doesn't destroy it for me. Maybe it's different for you since Dovewing is your favorite and she's always been a "meh" character for me, but this is just my opinion. Please don't be mad at me, I'm sorry if I offended you...I genuinely respect your opinion and I see where you’re coming from, I just want to point out some things in your argument that I don’t agree with and I wanna debate with you
NylaTheWolf I don't agree with you, but I read your comment all the way through because horray for respectful disagreement! *Applaudes*
Thank you!
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint, but I think there may be a misunderstanding here. This video is not meant to judge the overall quality of this book, I am aware that it could and probably has some genuinely good moments in it. I am only commenting on the parts that really made me angry. While I agree that in some cases, flying off the handle over one quote would be overreacting, I wouldn't say so for this quote. It honestly feels like a direct insult to all the work that went into establishing the previous lore. But I understand why someone would judge me that way, and I am okay with that.
As for the rest of the arc, one good book isn't enough to keep the boat floating. The Apprentice's Quest was pointless, Thunder and Shadow was kind of boring, The Darkest Night was just a background event while the real story was happening in Tigerheart's Shadow, and by the time this one came around, I lost all interest in it. Shattered Sky was a delightful surprise and a step in the right direction, but after that, they fell off the path entirely.
Alright, fair enough. I guess I did misunderstand some things in your review. I guess I can see why you would view that quote as an insult. It's kind of hilarious to me how Tigerheart is "SO SUPAH SPESHAL" in River of Fire and Tigerheart's Shadow. And yeah, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. It was a kind of messy plot line.
Yeah, one good book isn't enough to make an entire arc good. The Apprentice's Quest, while I can definitely see why you would view it as pointless, it does a good job with exposition and some really, really good characters (at least in my opinion). I liked Thunder and Shadow, but I can see where you're coming from. I really liked Darkest Night, but I respect your opinion.
In my opinion, I don't think they entirely fell off the path. There are still flashes of brilliant writing, although I do kind of wish it was a bit quicker. It feels slightly slowly paced, but hey, it's not as bad as Omen of the Stars. Maybe that's part of the reason why we like it so much, because it's an improvement on OOTS that even I, as a 9 year old who barely analyzed any art, knew something was a bit off.
But hey, each to their own.
Quiet Rage I thought all the books in the new series were good
Hey at least no one has been sent back up the mountains
i dont hate the new books, but they aren't as good as the first series.
I may not like the new series but Alderheart is my boi.
Fight me.
when the part came up that said "I cant believe StarClan let Tigerstar come back to life he must be really special" i thought it was talking about Tigerclaw/Star and i got excited because Tigerclaw/Star is one of my favorite cats but it was dumb Tigerheart or Stupidheart that i call him. And when i found out Ivypool had kits and saw there names im like really? and i really think Ivypool should not have kits ot a mate she doesnt seem like the type of she-cat to have a mate or kits.
I actually enjoy the route they took with Ivypool and her mate. It really goes against the status quo with the male being in the nursery.
Lilac Cloud why do you want the first tigerstar to come back did you forget what he did!
I actually love the new books, and river of fire was awesome. Twigbraches name was... strange. But otherwise i absolutely love the new series, it's personally one of my favorite arcs. I also think the covers are beautiful. I love the art style and i really liked needletail and violetpaw.
I haven't read the books since Omen of the stars. Im not actually planning on reading the new main books, however, I'm probably still gonna read the super editions. Seriously tho, WHY ARE THEY BRINGING TIGERSTAR BACK!!?
Starclan was so annoyed by Tigerstar that they broke every rule possible so they didn’t have to deal with him.
I already miss Purdy. Damnit Erins...
I have to point this out to you, Quiet Rage, because I'm not sure you got the message, but the person who did the old AMAZING covers for Warriors, Wayne McLoughlin, died. He's on the actual Warriors wiki, and died in July 7th, 2015. So that's why they had to change the covers. Not because they thought they should, because the guy who did it died. So, I see your point in the rage, but they can't do the original covers. And give the guy some slack please!! It's hard, trying to follow in someone else's footsteps, especially if the old guy was AMAZING at his job (in this case, designing Warrior covers) Plus, I would be terrified in his place, getting this type of criticism. This isn't constructive criticism, this is straight out criticism. Why don't you just spit on his face and burn his house down? This is rude, when the poor dude is probably just trying his best. Just because of the new covers, and some odd names doesn't mean you have a reason to hate these books. Most people actually like this series, saying it's breathing back life into the series, so sorry if you don't like it, that's no reason to hate it due to a few names and cover changes.
But some of your points are valid. The new covers don't stand out at all, like you pointed out. They do look CG and are a little wonky for me. The names are somewhat werid, with Flipkit (I bet you're ready to flipOFF StarClan
I'm a new fan
I didn't read the arc yet, but what you said about sure makes me more...hesitant. I think I will wait until the 6 book can be buy in those box. Power of Three is my favorite arc, so I hope there would be that kind of anti-hero main character, which doesn't seem to be the case jugding by what you said about them, but I will see.
Oh, and by the way, I really enjoyed the new cover of Sunrise, Hollyleaf look so epic. But I still prefer the old one, and I especially regret the old cover of Eclipse and Dark River, which look crap now.
Excuse me but Dawn of The Clans is awesome and nothing will convince me otherwise. I didn't have real emotions towards theese books since the end of FIRST ARC. Every other book I was like: "meh" towards any character or plot. But DoTC? It was a one hell of a ride.
Now that Vicky left, well remember the fire from Rising Storm in the first series, that destoryed the forest, that will happen to the series, at least Vicky kept any leftover humanity Warrior's still had in the books
I actually like the new covers but, BUT I hate how everything in the series is going to hell
I hate 99% of things about the new series...what happened to the old series? Oh yeah...Vicky isn't on the team anymore!
I mean..I get why they redid the covers (the original artist passed away) but they didn't have to make them all look the same! They could've been just as creative and unique, but no..they're all bland and boring.
Cinderpelt being reincarnated was decently okay with me because she was supposed to become a warrior, not a medicine cat. It gave her the chance to be a warrior, but Tigerheart and whoever else was brought back to life...need to drop dead! And Briarlight is dead now, too!?! WTF! She was a symbol of hope and willingness for a lot of people.
Don't even get me started on the new names...Fidgetpaw? Whatever. She could've been a fidgety kit when she was born. I get that thrift is a plant, but it's more associated with Thriftstores...Twigbranch..what's the next name going to be? Coffeechip or something? F off with the new series and SEs (Though..Hawkwing's Journey was okay.)
Bramblestar actually said I name you twigbranch in honour of how a twig grows into a branch WHAT THE ACTUALL HELLLLLLLLLLLLL
I was actually genuinely upset when I was reading River of Fire. Not because of the moments in it but because of the quality of the books, or lack of it. I really hate how they can't let anyone die in these books anymore, there was this large sickness, a forest fire and they only people that those two things PUT TOGETHER killed was Briarlight and they just randomly killed Rowanstar because of stupid Tigerheart.
I thought at first I wasn't satisfied because id just finished Harry Potter and to be honest nothing can top that but it was because i was looking at a warriors book I'd been anticipating for months that I was disappointed in and it makes me sad that that's the way it is
Allllsoo there's a series seven and I am not impressed let's watch our childhood get crushed even more by corporate greed shall we
Wow, I was about to share my opinions about how I disagree in the comments, but then the part where you started asking the questions at the end began, and you completely changed my perspective on it.
Also, a thrift is a flowering plant native to Europe
the only thing these books do now are give lazy, boring and unrealistic prophecies and special cats. the original series let you see what clan life was about - it gave you a sense of adventure, and seemed to make everything much less predictable and much more interesting. the names were realistic, things that would seem reasonable to use. and deaths were much more interesting and sad. i miss the old books, and i don’t know why i’m still reading
I liked it when they brought back Wind Runner tho. (Windstar)
OMG THIS IS SO TRUE!!!!!!! Yellowfangs secret is my favorite book, and the cover art was so beautiful(not the version where its just A dark blue background and her face in the middle) The one where she's in like a yellowish tint swamp! I love this video and I totally agree!
And that's why I hate Tigerheart and he's my least favourite cat.
Same
oh thank god. I’ve seen so many people that are like “AVOS is so great and deep!! such a great improvement over omen of the stars!”
well..omen of the stars wasn’t great. But we knew the cats, knew their personalities because they’d been built up. I think I hate AVOS so much because none of the cats capture my interest! Alderheart was supposed to be a shy, anxious character, which I would’ve loved- except he’s grown way too confident in such a short amount of time that he just isn’t relatable at all anymore.
Twigpaw/branch is just..a discount Dovepaw. Same colors, same personality but less cool since she lacks Dove’s struggles with her power.
Violetpaw is a discount Ivypaw, but way less awesome. I was furious when (spoilers) she just left Needletail to die. From everything we know about Violet, Needletail was everything to her. Her best friend, her caretaker, her mentor; without Needle, there was nothing even connecting Violet to ShadowClan. you CANNOT expect me to believe that Violetpaw would just stand by and let Needletail be murdered...at the very least, she should’ve fought and gone down with her.
Plus they are dragging on MistyStar's life. She was born a wile before Littlecloud and I can safely say that she is the oldest clan cat. I am pretty sure she is older than OneStar and he was considered ancient and senile towards the end of his life. And if you go along her family illnesses you find that both BlueStar and Goosefeather had dimentia. I would assume that by now, with her being around twice the age of her elderly mother, should be dead or completely nuts! I assume she is about 15 years old now, with Graystripe being 12 years old. The fact that she didn't die the moment that she fought the rogues is surprising. She is the FireStar of RiverClan. My cat is 15 and if he were a human he would be a 72 year old person. The average lifetime of a cat who lives outdoors is 2 years. She would be around 100 years old as a human if we take that into account. Erins, just kill her. Yeah, she will be missed deeply but an outdoor cat living this long is absurd, not even taking into account that a lot of leaders die before their clanmates do.
@@erniethecat5621 Although wildcats die younger not because they die from old age but because they get killed by everything else
i feel that they should just skip 5-10 years in the future, just so they have new characters. just a new, fresh start.
Ugh, this makes the Ginga series's crappy newest mangas look as good as Ginga Nagareboshi Gin!
Right now I need to read the newest series an d tigerhearts shadow.... but I honestly got lost after the 3rd series with the spam of new cats and I don't know how and its probably just me but I just CAN'T remember all the cats features other then the main ones. And even I forget theirs at times. I feel like the series is getting out of control now with it's....."magic". And now that I know this stuff from those books, I kinda don't want to read them now. It's just all confusing with it's timeline. But other than that warriors is still my favorite book!
But will that mean when warriors finally die will they do the same crazy thing to the survivors series? I feel like they might do that.
Honestly the thing i hated the most
((SPOILER FOR RIVER OF FIRE))
was the moment when ivy and dove finally are back together. Birchfall and whitewing are relieved and you get a sense of belief that the sisters, after so much disagreement and peril would finally join together as mothers BUT NOOOOOOO
I LOVE DOVE BUT SHE JUST RUINS IT BY WANTING TO GO WITH TIGERHEARTSTAR.
I WAS WAITED FOR THE DAY WHERE THEY WOULD MAKE UP BUT I GET THIS BROKEN CRAP PULLED FROM A BULL'S REAR END.
just have someone else lead shadowclan so starclan can screw off and tigerheart can join thunderclan
He is Bramblestar's nephew
PLEEEAAASE
I like how some designs of you little on in the corner is sometimes super well detailed and other times it's just a shitty Microsoft paint cat thing. Its halarious. Great work 10/10
I have heard that there is some sort of plant called Thrift but I still agree that it is a terrible name.
yesterday when I was rereading Tigerheart's Shadow a thought came in my head: 'Where is AvoS even going?'
Exactly! Omen of the Stars was about a battle between the dark forest and starclan. Power of Three was a quest to find the truth about their parents. The New Prophecy was a quest to find and settle in a new home by the lake. The original series was about finding the truth about TigerStar and killing him, defeating BloodClan at the same time. AVoS has something like this happen in every book, like an entire arc in one book. They have had like 5 prophecies in 5 books and no revealing of what the arc will lead up to.
Quiet rage: RED FIRE
Me:I'm not gonna disagree is horrible I will burn it with fire even my school library had the new covers its annoying and bland and not unique
Why couldn't Briarlight die a noble death like Cinderpelt or something? She could've died in so many others ways, all of which would be better than what they did. Why didn't they have her going out saving a cat from dying? Also they could've named TwigBranch like Twigshade or Twigfur, literally anything else!
NettleTail is bae.
She was an interesting character
Then she died. And then everyone else died.
And then warriors died.
unpopular opinion time:
I actually really like AvoS
also I think Twigbranch is a cool name
don't kill me please
Don't get me wrong, I still love Warriors and everything, and while I may disagree with one or two things you say here...
Holy fuck everything else that you said I agree with.
OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS OUT THERE!! There are so many things in the Warriors series that throw me of now, like Tigerheart, and Dovewing suddenly wanting to leave ThunderClan even though in the past she said Clan and kin are more important. Like, she used Bumblestripe. It is so annoying. The only reason I still read them is because I write fanfiction and I need to know what happens in the books so I can make my fanfiction not be the exact same. So thank you.
I agree when I read the originals they had me crying laughing mad and so many other emotions but now with these new ones all of the that life has just been sucked out and there not as creative as they used to be and those covers they where so unique and now there just plain I have issues finding the right warrior cat book in my school and I spend about 20 minutes just looking for one.
Much Love Craft n Stuff! I love your videos!
Can we all agree that this book was a suck up in the end they had cinder pelt confessing her love for fire star they most likely read a few condoms then wrote a book this book made no sense and they completely gave up on plot and names WE NEED VICKEY back!!!!!!!!!!
I would like you to explain what you're trying to say. Cinderpelt didn't confess her love for firestar in this book, and HOW do people read condoms?
I do like this book, but I mean when I look at the cover I’m like *seriously?*
My friend is in a wheelchair and has been her whole life! Briarlight got her into Warriors, and to have her die FROM A FUCKING SICKNESS?! This is why we can't have nice things! GODDAMMIT HARPER COLLINS I AM FUCKING DONE WITH YOUR BULLSHIT. I like the art styles equally, but the color scheme-really?! And they reused a fire. There have been two in the series. Both so important. Yellowfang's death, Squirrelflight's revelation. These were REAL events. TWIGBRANCH GETTING BURNT AND MAGICALLY HEALING IS NOT FUCKING MAJOR.
I'll be honest
I'm scared for the Warriors movie
...I mean I like a vision of shadows...
But Tigerheart/star fukin' coming back form the dead just hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
And poor Briarlight is dead and Jayfeather isn't?!
Comment below your favorite arc and clan! Mine is Dawn of clans and Riverclan!
2:31 Exactly! Like when I heard about (SPOILERS) Squirrelflight coming back to life because of her love for Bramblestar
I honestly think it's harpercolins thats the cash grab. They have such a huge word to the books, rejecting the names twigshade, sparkfire, etc. They also don't allow the erins to write in canon lgbt stuff. Harpercollins also delays books release, and only sells hard cover books for a year, and the normal one will only come out later (talkin abt the super editions, many fans won't be able to bear it and by it w/ the hard cover that costs more). It's also harpercollins who tells the erins to keep on writing, and I feel like maybe even the ones who want them to be on a tight schedule (unconfirmed). This is just my opinion, you can politely argue with me and I respect that, but don't attack me violently. If you find any of the information false then I am sorry, I am not a professional at this. Thank you for reading.
I understand where you're coming from but I am enjoying the new series personally. I like alderheart, not just his worrisome personality which is a pretty new trait for a main character, but the way he is treated negatively by others like jayfeather and bramblestar, and even sparkpelt. They arent necessarily all bad characters, I like jayfeather, but he can be a jerk. I like how in the beginning alderheart lets himself be pushed around or dismissed unfairly, but as he gets older he starts so stand up for himself and grow confidence and we see a more opinionated side of him come out as words and not just in his thoughts.
Also, I have definitely experienced emotional reactions to this series, my heart ached when violetkit and twigkit where seperated as kits. I was quite shocked when needletail died in such a brutal way, how violetpaw had to watch them almost drown her for something violetpaw did, then she herd needletails dying yowels as she ran away. The amount of guilt and ptsd that could give someone is unimaginable to me and definitely reminded me of how dark warriors is.
I honestly haven't read the older books for a long time and plan on listening to them all on audiobook, maybe having them fresh in my mind to compare to AVOS will change my mind, but so far I am enjoying the new books.
The 'river of fire' -which was riverclan being toated to a crisp- didnt even happen till 3/4ths in the book! Youd expect it to be at LEAST in the middle!
Thank you so much for mentioning the covers. I hate them, i honestly cant tell the difference between the cats, and they all have that same fire red orange background. They lost their spike.
I HATE that the Erins are not even trying anymore.
I wish that the new Warriors books had the same quality as the old ones.
And time I hear them talk about the dirt place I laugh (Idk why :P)
To be honest, Quiet Rage, the new kits names are not that bad. Flip and Thrift is odd words, but mothers normally name their kits after something, like how they look, how they act, or who they remind them of(example: Rainflower's kits; she named Stormkit after the storm that forced her to run, and Oakkit for the oak that saved her life).
Flip means to make a sudden movement or to turn around. Ivypool was possibly thinking'this kit will be an agile little fighter!'
Thrift is a english flower that is purple and grows in bunches. because warrior cats are based in england, its totally understandable Ivypool might of come across some Thrift in her life!
The reincarnation thing is a mystery. Yes it is a cop-out to have someone who has been dead as of the story nearly 2 generations, But you also got to keep in mind, this is a fantasy novel series. If you where to say reincarnation was a cop-out,wouldn't the entire legiance of dark forest coming to the real world ALSO be a cop-out? if the dead can come back to the land of the living, that is just 1 step away from reincarnation,which is essentally giving them a mortal body.
And finally, Briarlight's death is definitely tragic, but there is still reason behind it. she got sick after a storm, and in normal creatures, we need to move to fight off illness. the more blood pumps through the body, the more antibodies can get to the illness quicker.Briarlight could not move very fastm and the sickess took her...as for the disrespect of Vickie part, alot of times, in media, they retire characters who lost voice actors or actors cause that actor is the only one to potray the character properly(Think Maud from Simpsons. when her voice actor died, she was killed off as well). This is just a theory,but what if the erins,after vickie's leaving, thought they could not properly portray her,so they killed her off. It also brings back a warning Jayfeather was told back in 'Fading echoes'. Littlecloud warns him about how a cat named Wildfur had the exact same issue; broke his spine during a cave in,and got a severe chest infection and died.
I honestly dislike people who follow "Traditional Naming" because it is used to limit others creativity even though it was never a rule.
Ivypool: A THRIFT IS A PLANT! ITS CUTE!
Twigbranch: Just us, 3 lame names against the world
Ivypool: WHATS WRONG WITH MY CHILDREN TWIGBRANCH (And Quiet)
Twigbranch wtf
Twigshade FTW
#makeittwigshade
TBH ive read the book, and the whole sieries, vision of shadows is the best seirie than any other ones. And for your info, YOU ONLY SKIMMED THROUGH THE BOOK, MAKE A RAGE WHEN YOU READ THE WHOLE BOOK!
To be honest, I think the series should have ended on the last book (the darkest hour?) in the first series, then a few special books afterwards, telling you about more of the backstory of characters, instead of completely new stories.
Like, just no. - The original characters made this series, Fireheart(Rusty), Greystripe, Bluestar, Yellowfang, Tigerstar, Sandstorm, and the other characters, all were somewhat important to the story and clan, even the ones that had a short time in the books, they were so thought out and interesting (no order, just randomly putting names) (Spottedleaf, Silverstream, Ferncloud, Mosskit, Tawnypelt, Ravenpaw, Dustpelt, Sasha, Snowfur, Whitestorm, Lionheart, Brightheart, Swiftpaw, Cloudtail, Crowfeather, Leafpool, Squirrelflight, Longtail, Mousefur, Honeyfern, Cinderpelt,, Sol, Darkstripe(or..dirtstripe hueh), Leopardstar, Blackstar, Tallstar... etc (there's too many to write aha..) - Now I barely know who the heck the characters are..And I remember a lot of the original cats, despite not reading the books in 2-3 years...Sorry for rambling lol, just sad to see something being milked so hard + a series end on a bad note.
EDIT; with the question in the end, - the parts in the warriors I cried(im not very emotional.) was yellowfangs death + the little deaf kits death, ahaa.. (I'm so connected to all the previous warriors, - now i think a lot of people are just reading,.. words... and that's sad...I didn't even buy the new books because of how the previews were / i've been seeing a lot of videos & when firestar died i lost interest, afdsfdskblljglkfkdj....)
I saw someone arguing that Wind Runner became a leader after she was dead and I just need to rant-
Wind Runner wasn't even like full on dead, she was just dying. Tigerheart was fucking dead as in he long gone.
AND ALSO, did y'all really need to make Tigershit copy no.12828282811 leader? Bitch Tawnypelt would've made a fine ass leader give my girl some justice.