David Letterman on Jay Leno.
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- Опубліковано 9 гру 2022
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On The Blocks Podcast with Neal Brennan, David Letterman looks back on the 'Late Night Wars,' and the media playing up his rivalry with Jay Leno over 'The Tonight Show.'
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Letterman was the best. So glad he's stayed pretty visible and relevant in his retirement.
Almost more so in a way
the quess the best gets 2nd in ratings
@@alalducente Well...first in ratings gets lit up in a gasoline fire 🔥😱🔥
@@privatepenguin3137 seek help.
@@gallery7596 yup- love it!
Good for you Neal for seeing that Letterman can’t take a compliment. Good for you Neal for exposing the humanity of a rough industry.
Dave is lying. He was pissed
Neal is a great interviewer. Looking forward to all your future episodes
Dave changed the game. Johnny was the king but Dave made it ok to be silly, smart and freaking funny.
When Dave went full political activist in 2000 he quit being funny. He was motivated by hate as most liberals are.
My God these guys are just first ballot all stars of laughter!! Love them both!! I remember Dave having a morning show....he was a riot then and I love his new shows!! Neal you are crazy funny.... Loved 3 mics and all your stand up....I know you have pain which is upsetting to me....but the joy you give folks is a blessing to all who listen and watch!!! Love and best wishes to both of you!!!! Thank you!
Dave is funny but Neal isn't even the funniest guy in his family.
It would be so cool to see letterman and Leno do their own episode of cars and coffee at Jay’s garage. They are both guys who love cars and that would be the best tension breaker for them to just talk about a bunch of cool cars first, and then start telling great stories from back in the day.
Dave is not a car guy--never has been. He has never held a wrench in his life. He doesn't race, he has no driving skill. A heavy right foot is not driving skill.
@@gymshoe8862 you are so right, owning a IndyCar team since 1996 definitely is something a non car guy does who in no way appreciates or loves cars. Dave is such not a car, his friend and racing partner Paul Newman (I’m sure you don’t think he is a car guy either) commissioned and built one of the special Volvo V8’s for Dave…
@@andrewbaskett8581 You are an idiot. Newman had a real racing career, Dave wrote checks only--he never even sat in planning meetings with the ream--he only wanted his name on it for the prestige in Indiana
It would good for Dave and Jay to have a private lunch.
But, that probably won't happen.
Jay would do it but Dave wouldn't@@user-vg2eg7oo5n
Most people shouldn't be doing podcasts, but everyone is. The game really needed you Brennan, someone who can actually fucking "interview". Thank you.
Keep it vulgar.
Love listening to David Lettermen
Don't ever celebrity worship. It's grose
@@Frankincensedjb123 he said he loves listening to him not worshipping him, plus western people who use english tend to exaggerate their wording saying they love something when they really mean they like it.
im trying to say dont jump the gun and claim he's worshipping somebody just based on a vague comment. It's a bit of a strawman
yes, he has wisdom. I remember him having herzog on in the eighties. He is a goof on the screen but he is an intellectual. Likewise Norm.
@@Frankincensedjb123 Stop projecting lol
@@Frankincensedjb123 stop worshipping my comments
Thank you for sharing your humor and yourself. Love you and David Letterman, always.
Grateful for you & for helping us laugh & keep finding the laughter.
Survival of the Nurtured,
In Oneness
Neal Brennan is a gift. Dave is too, of course. But when he says he wasn't angry about not getting the Tonight Show? I don't believe him.
He openly vented his hate--the videos are still here on YT.
It seems Dave still can't admit to himself the disappointment he felt for not getting the tonight show, which was the prize jewel in those days
I think that it's less THAT he didn't get it and more the circumstances. Jay allegedly did some underhanded stuff to take him out of the running, including planting damaging stories in the news about Johnny, who Dave saw as a mentor.
@@VintageRapClippings Agree to disagree. He had a jihad on Warren Littlefield that went on for years. Dave wanted that show and nothing else. Which of course seems funny when you get old and look back. The things we all think are important when we're younger.
@@mikestevenson576 well to be clear, I'm not saying it had NOTHING to do with him wanting the show. But if all the stuff they said Jay did was true, that would have been salt in the wound, I think. And in the years since, Jay's admitted to a lot of it, but doesn't seem to see why it would be upsetting.
But I agree. You reach a certain age and realize how little it all matters, I think.
TV poppa is such a class act.
Love the show Neal!
Good to hear Dave admit that he had been something of a whiner. His resentment over not getting "The Tonight Show" had always seemed quite apparent.
Holding grudges is not something to admire or emulate.
Facts matter.
David, and Joan Rivers both wanted $100,000,000 a year,
when Johnny was making $50,000,000 a year, and at the same time.
Dave pissed of the NBC executive by not giving them front row seats, at his show.
Really? You bite the hand that feeds you, and are surprised when they go with the guy (Jay)who says, "$30 Million a year? OK!!!"
Dave wanted to move his show west. Jonny said,
whoever takes over has to use My Writers for 1 Year.
Letterman said Fuck you!
Leno said, OK, but still paid his friends to write jokes for that night.
Loving this
I really like the older, wiser version of Dave. I actually really enjoyed the younger, occasionally snarky version of Dave, too, but it's nice to see he eventually realized that appearing to be the smartest guy in the room isn't nearly as meaningful as being a decent human being.
I loved Dave from the start--I wouldn't miss a show until around 2000 when he began to see himself as a political activist, he owed us political commentary that was rarely funny, never witty. I began to see he had a hate motive (and quite a bit of moral decay as well)
@@gymshoe8862 do tell us about his moral decay..also I can guess what your politics are lol
@@joshmiller6421 We are in an eternal struggle between good and evil--one side is generally good though imperfect, the other side is generally welcoming of evil--they make it seem acceptable. Your "guesses" are accurate but ultimately wrong.
@@gymshoe8862 which side is which?
Great first guest!
Great 1st pod. Couldn’t have asked for a better guest.
I would have never guessed that David Letterman would become addicted to watching Duck Dynasty
It was just NBC trying to keep gold in both time slots.....
Interesting commentary about friendship.
Dave tortured himself about everything. He did deserve The Tonight Show. I still can't understand why Carson didn't insist upon it. Carson loved Dave.
It wasn't Carson's to give since NBC owned the timeslot once Carson's contract ended.
@@AndyLehrer ok. Ok
@John Dinh Nguyen well with all of Carson's power I would have expected him to be able to make this work. He loved Letterman. And I know the reasons for Dave's problems with NBC. David Lettermen was not a smuck. He wouldn't cave to NBC. No matter how bad he wanted The Tonight Show. I find that refreshing. He still had a real long run and told NBC where they could stick it. Just think what a good friend he was to Norm McDonald and Tom Snyder and Conan O'Brien. I would rather help those folks then kiss NBCs butt.
Dave reportedly would tell his secretary to say he wasn't in when network executives would pay him a visit. When the network would ask him to host events and charitable functions, Dave would say no. An exec asked for tickets for his son to come see a taping of "Late Night," and Letterman refused. He even mocked the network on air- and that was basically a middle finger to the people who were deciding which guy should replace Johnny at "The Tonight Show." Why would they have wanted to work with a guy like that for potentially decades? Dave shot himself in the foot.
So that's why he was sleeping around on his wife
Nice to hear someone calling out Bert for what he is. Couldn't be more leashed.
Explain to the folks at home who Byron Allen is
Craig Ferguson FTW
Thanks Dave, for picking Ferguson.
That was a different type of show.
When Letterman was interviewed by Oprah, he told a completely different story. He said, in that interview, that he had a meeting with the execs and everything but they decided not to go with him and picked Leno instead.
That story about the headline has Helen Kushnik written all over it.
the suits at nbc were not going to give it to letterman. he disliked them and refused to cooperate them when he had the late night show. one exec said he asked him for some tickets for his son to come to the show and dave refused. years later that exec told jay that there was no way he was going to put up with that attitude for the next 20 years.
Johnny had no say?? He wanted Letterman to take over
He needs to put those backgrounds into the normal map channel.
Hey Neal! How can I send a gift to you? Is there a good contact on your website?
A new pod? Where's LaBinx?? Does she have her own pod?
Hope you get Dave Chappelle on the podcast, Neil!
no.
@@bsquared4604 yes.
Kinda like Talib Kweli having Mos Def on his podcast-not too early, not too late.
Things have a way of working out and they did.
Will only have guests named Dave/David now. thanks.
That is The iconic classic talkshow david letterman now? Wow.. it's kinda felt like another person will that beard! Till i heard his voices! Cool! i do not know if one day I'll decided to let my beard grew widly like that.. I'll try with the goatee first
Get conan on
he is so damn cool
IMO nbc made the right call with jay leno over David. Was it shady, maybe but the industry was cut throat at the time. Everyone was hungry.
NBC always wanted him to stay on after Leno so he was the one who quit.
I love letterman but nahhh man he was PISSED
he was. so much that he left. if he wasn't, why was leno never on his show again?
Jay was a better standup. Letterman had the better show
Noooo!!! Bert also has the maaaachine story that he's told once...maybe twice?
I could watch Leno on NBC, or Letterman on CBS. I almost always watched Letterman even though I recognized I was watching a guy with character problems. But I found Letterman to be funnier than Leno. If I had a situation where I had to pick one of them to save my life, I'd choose Leno. But Letterman was more entertaining.
Is Neal Brennan healthy? Is he well?
Leno wasn't and isn't as happy, nor as easygoing as he seems. He was a cunning individual, or certainly could be. He could be highly, highly manipulative. He was obsessive about writing jokes but even admitted many times himself that Dave was the better broadcaster.
Leno's manager for decades was Helen Kushnik, and, although i don't like to speak ill of the dead, she was aggressive, volatile, coercive, a blackmailer, and most comfortable when she was in conflict with others. She'd endured immense trauma and pain throughout her life too. But she helped Jay get the Tonight Show, in very large part, constantly campaigning on his behalf, and even leaking hurtful, demeaning stories about Carson to the press to get Carson to retire. She didn't like Carson or his associates and producers, and when producing The Tonight Show herself as she did for a number of months after Leno got the show, and destroyed formerly good relationships between executives, bookers, and talent.
Leno knew what she did and how she operated but pretended, wilfully, to be ignorant of her methods.
As she herself put it, he only wanted to eat the steak but ignored the way she was slaughtering the cattle.
When she became useless to him, and an impediment, by jeopardising his own relationship with NBC (who were so annoyed with Kushniks antics that they banned her from the Burbank lot, and threatened to fire Leno too) he, within hours, ceased his relationship with her. The woman who had taken him from doing small club shows to television, who got him booked on Letterman and thereby nationally famous, with whom he'd spent decades - and who, when Kushniks husband was on his deathbed due to cancer, the woman Leno promised he'd look after for life.
Once he had his objective, The Tonight Show, he had no use for her.
He exhibited equally bad behaviour during the Conan fued, promising to leave NBC and hand rhe Tonight Show to Conan then reneging on thst promise some years later. Lots of people blame the NBC executives alone but Leno had a choice as to how he conducted himself, and he conducted himself poorly. It became quickly apparent that his personality was a front.
He has few interests outside of comedy (or specifically writing jokes) and cars.
He and his wife took separate vacations. They spent little time together. They married due to convenience, because of the tax and orher benefits each would receive.
Anyone who has ever dealt with Leno closely or for long periods says the same thing, that he despises emotions, and purports to feel none himself - stressed, for instance, is something he claims is alien to him. So is "feeling down". When asked by a staffer what he did when he was feeling down, he replied, "I've never felt down".
Yet he was sneaky enough, during the Letterman conflict, to hide in a closet at night to monitor a high level executive meeting about whether he should stay on as the host of the Tonight Show, or whether he should be replaced by Letterman (in the early period when his ratings did comparatively poorly).
He proudly called those se NBC executives, reading verbatim back to them what they'd said from hand written notes he'd taken.
He was proud of that, and his actions caused executives to believe there'd been some sort of major security breach.
So when Letterman called him "kind of a brat", he was right.
Leno is obsessive and driven, and has never had problems disposing of people who got in his way - he just tended to operate in a very passive aggressive way. He's never been assertive enough to admit his own emotional issues, in the same way Letterman or Conan have talked at length about their insecurities.
LOL Bimptbutburnt got a complete slam from the man.
Does Dave have something against Bert Kreischer?
Not at all. I’ve seen other times Dave has talked about Brent Crystals and said 10 minutes in, he forgets / doesn’t even register that Bart is shirtless.
Yep. Burnt Chrysler is fat.
Funny I don’t see people reminiscing about Leno on the Tonight Show but there are tons of people who reminisce about Dave.
I see tons of people reminiscing about Leno. Most people I see hate on Letterman for becoming so bitter.
@@chriskay1449 Yes, have seen plenty of people who know him talk about what a great guy Jay is, and while I really liked Dave during his years hosting "Late Night," when the bitter version of him appeared over at *CBS,* I stopped watching. He just wasn't the same person anymore and it made me sad.
At the end the host said" you're a showbiz animal," but the subtitle said "you're a Jewish anima."
As smart as David Letterman is I think he mispronounced Burnt Chrysler
Letterman 👓 will always be the best Late Night host 📺
Spit out the question already.
buzz buzz gang gang
He's full of 💩, he was pissed. Go back and watch all the clips from that time
100%. I remember how angry he was on his show for months until he got the show on CBS. His hurt feelings were palpable.
It's cause he couldn't keep it in his pants and got caught 😆
My favorite was Chris Elliot as Jay Leno.
oh man dont do these click baity sound byte juicy clip things. it cheapens what was a lovely conversation.
Letterman was upset back then that he didn’t get the Tonight Show. There’s no doubt about that. Nobody should have felt sorry for him as he got a parallel show anyway. Jay Leno was the right guy for the job. He won all the head to head ratings as well.
@Clay Chiarelott …..I think Jay comes off as much less standoffish. He also leaves political bias behind. His monologues won’t be just one sided. Letterman was popular too but cultivated himself as an elitist. Leno made it a point to interact with ordinary people everywhere. It’s a good thing.
@Clay Chiarelott …..it’s good as it takes woke politics out of comedy. Comedy doesn’t need to advance anywhere, it just needs to be good. All that said these guys were more overall entertainers than comedians.
Jay didn't win at first. When Jay first took over, ratings dropped to the point of NBC actually offering the Tonight Show to Dave at the end of Leno's first 2 year contract. Letterman wrestled with whether to take the offer. It was pointed out by those around him that he now wouldn't be inheriting Carson's show, he would be getting Jay's show. Then when Dave asked Carson what he would do, Carson said that had he been treated like Dave had, he would walk. And so Dave Walked. Dave did beat Leno for their first year and a half head to head. Dave wound up with the better deal. He owned his show, had the freedom to do what he liked without network interference and was always paid much more than Leno. He also was given production deals where he produced several shows including "Everybody Loves Raymond".
@Clay Chiarelott …..Carson, Letterman, Leno……Now look at these guys today. It’s all about politics and the political views of their guests. The integrity of the product is gone.
Can we talk about guests too? I hate when we talk about ratings no one points out guests which mean EVERYTHING when it comes to a talk show.
Leno always had on controversial guests who were in the news (sometimes literally the next night after a headline from the previous day)
I don’t care how good Letterman was but if you have on two nobodies and your cousin - your show won’t last 🤷♂️
Showbiz is a lady. Showbiz is a laaaaaadyyyy.
Just saw of the back of this. That Jay and Jimmy Kimble also had a feud. Almost like nobody can get on with Jay. I have no issue with Jay BTW.
Why is such a big celebrity sitting In this dude's basement? Why does the dude have 29k of followers 🤣.
I happen to like Letterman and Leno. But I’m not buying what he saying here because every chance he got he made nasty digs at Jay Leno whenever he could. Especially when the Conan thing came up, he was always being very mean and nasty about it. Don’t get me wrong I like letterman, but I don’t believe what he’s saying here. He was hurt and mad when he didn’t get the Tonight Show.
I agree.
Agreed!
Letterman only did that to get attention, espeically after getting his CBS show. IT was about ratings. He knew he could court those that hated Leno over TTS flap, so he would make those digs. Same thing when the Conan stuff happened. Dave was kicking Conan's behind in the ratings. He knew that Jay taking back TTS would mean he would go back to being #2. So, he takes digs.
@@jpc2470 No it did not. NBC was more than ready to give the job to Leno because Dave rubbed execs the wrong way.
@John Dinh Nguyen Leno has referred to this as well when he was on the podcasts of Bill Maher and Howie Mandel.
Oh wow! Dave Letterman vs. what Dave Letterman would look like if perfectly embalmed at age 11.
Just kidding Neal, we love ya
Nobody likes to admit it when a bunch of suits get it right, but in this case, they were right when they picked Jay. He consistently beat Dave in the ratings for 30 years, and that's what the suits wanted. They gave Conan a shot, and his ratings tanked, so they turned to Jay again, and the ratings went right back up. Simple as that. But I'm one of those weird old farts who never thought Carson was all that funny. Too much emphasis on sex, and that's a big turn-off, at least with me. I still miss the real brainy guys like Steve Allen and Jack Paar, who'd do shows with Nobel laureates and such. America has severely dumbed itself down in the last 50 years.
Letterman was and continues to be the best. And he went to bat for Conan and spoke up when he got screwed.
Congrats on the show Neal. Please don't have Dave Chappelle on. I'm sure you're tired of the name association.
This is the stupidest thing that I’ve read today, get Dave on
Also please don't have any trannies on. They're gross to look at.
heck no! call in that favor and get ears on this podcast!
@@roscoemuttley I mean I'd still watch lol
Old news.
There was no rivalry, Leno wore the late night crown 👑 his whole career.
Not in Letterman's first 18 months. In fact, for the first year, Letterman was kicking Leno's ass harder than Leno would ever kick his the entire 18ish years Leno was on top.
@@brycemcneil4404 true, for the first couple months Letterman was the man. Then for the next decade and a half Leno had no rival 😎. I always loved Jack Hanna on letterman that was always good.
Leno appealed to the general public more and Letterman appealed to actual comedians.
@@MrHubadub Leno is a comedian who got the tonight show. He got the role all the other comedians wanted. And yes Leno appeals to 16 million and Dave appeal to 300 comedians. It always made me smile when I would see Dave and Conan talking about Leno, number 2 and number 3 always crying that they are not number one :)
@@DonovenGrey nobody is disputing the ratings - you can't! The point is more that Leno was a great comedian and then told lame jokes and did lame bits to be number 1. All fine and good, but the people that wanted a quirkier and often funnier and less predictable viewing experience watched Letterman. Are some comedian jealous of Leno's success? Almost certainly, but that doesn't make the Tonight Show under Leno any funnier or funny to begin with.
Multi millionaires problems 😂 ooo how sad.
Letterman was a BABY. Later, Conan was a BABY.
Rich babies.
This is BS. He’s been mad about it for decades.
Jay got the gig because he asked for less.
Dave always talks about how Jay was funny (or the funniest), and I can´t see it. I think Dave is a lot funnier than Jay. A lot.
Letterman is very funny, but seems to be a very small man compared to Leno.
Jay may have been funny early in his career, kind of, but that was only short lived because on his talk show, he was terrible. All he did was laugh, make faces, and snear, rarely funny. He was also a terrible host with softball questions that poorly set up guests for a response. Everything he did was forced. How his talk show ever succeeded is beyond me.
I agree. When Jay went on Late Night his segments were very funny. I remember those originally and seeing the clips of them now he generally was a funny comedian. But on Tonight he just wasn’t to me. I tried watching the show several times and he is just not a broadcaster…his interviews were terrible. To host a show you have to be a mix of being both funny AND a good interviewer. Dave was always that. Plus he and the writers defined a whole new way of doing those shows. Jay even started lifting those elements when Tonight was losing to Late Show. Jay may very well be great in a comedy club…can’t say I have never seen him do that…and he was a great guest for Letterman. But he’s not a good talk show host to me.
@@ErickReddekopp Yes, I loved Letterman, especially those early years of Chris Elliot, man who lives under the seats; Dave pranks people at the fast food drive through; human sized bunnies storm EF Huttin office; Dave throws himself in a velcro suit at a velcro wall; endless fun with Rupert Jee: Larry Bud Melmin the freak 🤣; going beyond the interview with Cher, Madonna, Tom Hanks, Bill Murry, and Martin Short. I could go on and on. Today's late night hosts are the worst, except for Conan. The only other host I love is Craig Ferguson. He had a lot of crazy skits and performances on his show too. Very funny.
@@Frankincensedjb123 Could not agree more. I keep hoping Peacock or someone would start re-broadcasting the original Late Night...I would happily sit and rewatch it all again from beginning to end. I love seeing the clips on the official Letterman channel...but really wish we could just have the whole show back.
Because he had plenty of fans who were not biased clowns over what happened and everything you said is opposite of how everyone who watched thought. Massive projection of your opinion.
Dave has control over all his old NBC shows, as part of his agreement to leave NBC. I don't think Dave want's to air entire episodes that show an assistant he was having a fling with, "Monty" Step Birkett, and getting blackmailed by her boyfriend, for $2 million?
My theory is that the guys like Jay Leno and David Letterman saw the writing on the wall when it came to the new surge of political correctness and wokeness(sorry) and decided to leave the industry before they were forced to be too PC and tame.
It's a pretty stupid theory.
@@Rjensen2 Well you wouldn't know because you are one of the very cancel culture brats that they were trying to avoid.
neither were really kind of host, so I doubt it.
LOL whaT?Letterman becamse very radical his last few years and willingly fed into the PC and wokeness. He was right there pushing all that BS willingly.
@@chriskay1449 You still pissed your racist-in-chief and his insurrection attempt failed? 🤣
Both Leno and Letterman are overrated. Conan was the best, hands down.
If Conan did not need to do his creepy string dance/nipple touching shtick, to open every broadcast, maybe he could've had higher ratings?