someone once said i was "presenting as female" because i had boobs. 🙄 he said i should just be ok with him misgendering me until i physically transition enough to pass as male in his eyes. this person was my boyfriend. 🗑️
@@Reed5016 i hope i did that too narrator: he did not i was already traumatized and he was gaslighting me a lot. i left 2 years later. after being raped multiple times.
@@RilianSharp I’ve been there. For me, it was my first situationship, and she refused to refer to me as anything other than she (I identified as genderfluid at the time). I say situationship, because it was never an official relationship, and she was bi-curious. She SA’d me when I told her I was uncomfortable, and said “this is just what girls do.” I just went along with it, because I had a low self-esteem at the time. But once I actually started making queer friends and became more confident, I realized how abusive she was, and cut her off. She was abusive for other reasons as well, but I don’t feel like getting into it.
💀 Yeah, "female presenting" and even "(a) femme" are getting used in ways I'm extremely uncomfortable with as a transmasc person. They do not mean "person who is assumed to be female by others," "afab," or "woman." The fact that presentation is about expression and intent, not bodies or others' perception, is lost on some people. And then there's your ex 💀💀💀🗑️🗑️🗑️
@@spacefacecadet I nope out of any conversation that uses "femme" as an underhanded substitute for "woman/ woman-lite". I've seen it applied to way too many people who wouldn't identify with it (from nonpassing transmasc ppl to butch lesbians and more), and it doesn't really seem to have any utility since all the people generally grouped under that label face very different struggles.
I totally agree with you on most the pronoun introductions and the like, but I will say the take of "if they look x but are presenting y" doesn't really work in a lot of queer circles i'm in and isn't overall a great way to approach things. For example i'm a cis butch. Like your example I present extremely masc; i have a shaved head, no tits (they're just tiny), baggy tshirts, hairy legs, i even have a pretty deep voice etc. That doesn't mean I'm trying to pass as a guy and want people to assume I'm he/him. In fact in my younger years I actively used to get really upset when I was called he/him because it made me feel like I was doing womanhood 'wrong'. I feel like even if you see someone presenting a certain way, it's not a great idea to make assumptions of "oh they're an afab trying to present male/amab trying to present female". It could just be that we don't give a f* about gender presentation, and I'm finding more often than not in queer circles, it very often is people who have stopped giving a crap, lol. I just pretty much always ask. It may feel to some like I'm clocking them, I guess, but at the same time, I'm a hairy little butch that confuses a lotta folk, so they're among friends lol.
Normal or mostly-good people can have odd or stupid beliefs, habits, or idiosyncrasies, but I reckon there are particular beliefs and attitudes that are definite red flags indicative of much deeper issues. Lots of normal people are unfortunately low-key transphobic, but TERFs, transvestigators, and passionate transphobes are almost universally actually-bad and/or genuinely-disturbed at a level that goes well beyond just having "some opinions" about gender and sex.
A lot of times they are just unquestioned, it is odd because you can watch people go one way or the other, like I have a mom and the man that caused my birth. The man just is not the best person and not a good parent. It is very strange to watch as my mom gets better and he gets worse.
In my experience it shows a fundamental lack of compassion. they consistently assume the absolute worse of trans people and project their nasty qualities on us.
I feel like there is real potential for a comedy sketch where someone seems like a terf but they are actually a caveman who has been unfrozen and literally has trouble with the concept of pronouns because Grog no understand Grog no she, Grog is Grog! Grog no like pronoun, pronoun hurt Grog head!
Three people walk into a bar, ones a unfrozen caveman, ones a terf, ones a person who uses any pronouns. The Caveman is scared by the lights but the waitress gives him some water helps him sit. The person who uses any pronouns sits down beside the Caveman in curiosity of the man wearing a loincloth. The terf bursts into flame, after hearing the word 'she'.
God imagine meeting up with an old friend, they monologue for 50 minutes, cry and run out the door. She's one trip on a rake away from the perfect punchline, the only thing that would make it more embarrassing is if it took place at a spoons, it takes serious work to be the wierdest one in one of them
I've been constantly getting misgendered at work for the year+ I've been here. Management gives the excuse its just "their generation" and "slip ups will happen". Not for over a year, damnit!
yeah, like unless its a sibling or cousin something you hardly ever see and they literally just forgot but make an effort to at least try, that can be understandable. But a colleague you see on a regular basis? I'd give it 3 months of obvious effort to get it down solid. thats how long it took me first time I had a trans friend, and I was like 15ish and had multiple untreated brain disabling hormone and neuro chemical unbalance disorders that gave me brain fog and memory problems amongst other things. So, yeah, 3 months, like maybe more if they're genuinely trying, and just having a real hard time getting their brain to do it, but other than that, nah, then its an HR type problem.
I'm 70. Born male, but I live as a woman most of the time. It's still often expedient to pretend to be a man, so I just go along with what ever pronouns I get, as long as an obvious insult isn't intended. Almost everyone prominently displays the gender they wish to be known as. I just go along, and so far, I've never had any problems.
I _try_ not to put too much into people using the wrong pronouns. But I also totally get that sometimes it's a "the last straw" kind of day, or it's someone from whom it genuinely hurts when they use the wrong pronouns or the wrong gendered language. I have an easier time brushing it off from people I don't know, usually. But the tirade of bigotry is too much. Way, way back I tried being friends with someone who leaned pretty far to the right for my likes. I was in a place where I didn't know many people yet and we at least enjoyed many of the same things - a lot of "nerdy" stuff. I wasn't aware I was trans yet, and politics weren't exactly chill, but they hadn't become Trumpian yet. Even so, it was a challenge at times and it definitely seemed like I was doing a lot of the compromising. And that attempt at friendship ended because she went on a tirade -- and really wanted me to know how little she thought of my opinions. It started because I _agreed_ with her that a certain show's quality had gone down, and maybe it was because the writers were being stretched thin with spin-offs and having to keep it going for many seasons after the story had kind of run its course. Idiot me for thinking about the workers instead of her desire for entertainment. Also, it was at a frozen yogurt shop. She wound up storming out after her outburst, spiking her ice-cream in the trash like she was scoring a touch down. I was incredibly angry about the whole exchange but stayed composed, I apologized to the people in the shop, then made my own way out, drove home, and never spoke to or texted her again. I feel it's worth mentioning that the reason we'd even been there was because she wanted to meet up for my birthday which was that day, even though I'd asked to not celebrate my birthday because it had had a weird string of bad luck for a few years in a row. I'm just glad that happened before the ramping up occurred from 2015 onward. I would not be much surprised if she's fully gone MAGA and for sure would hate my very existence as a trans person.
yes, Ovarit is a terf invite only clone of reddit after they banned the genedercrtical subreddit. I am suprised they didn't get sued for how similar their ui looks.Side note the developers who worked on it are the same developers who made Gab the neo-nzi platform.
Often, it's not a case of 'not having real problems' but instead the person feels powerless to confront the direct problems in their lives, so they substitute problems where they feel like they can 'make a difference.'
I have absolutely no issues with people having their choice of pronouns and me trying to use them appropriately... my issue is I'm AuDHD..... and I have always issues with poor word recall .... think aphasia, though for different reasons... so my ability to recall Names Pronouns, etc. sucks on a good day and on a bad day admittedly looks down right malicious though it is totally unintentional, keep in mind that I frequently have trouble with family members including my Mother and Sister to the point that when I was little there was a family joke about 'Hey you '... anyway though I have no doubt I'm in the minority please be patient because sometimes it's less malicious than it is a brain malfunction...
It's really difficult wanting to wear a dress as a Transwomen and can't because I haven't shaved. It's possible to just wear pants but, it's really difficult for us WHO don't have JOBS. It's so hard trying to find a Gender inclusive supportive job in Texas. We don't have reasorces or Job Agency pools. So It's common to hate Bidens statement of Jobs increasing when it's not true. I hope it's different with Mamala.
I've been on estrogen for nine years and I've been told Im cis passing, but most of the time i don't mention pronouns when I'm introducing myself UNLESS someone else does first, because I don't want to draw attention to myself to people who otherwise wouldn't have clocked me. it just feels safer to me. I work in retail and had my pronouns on my name tag but in the first week of working some customer started being really weird and confrontational about it, asking if pronouns was mandatory and saying things like "when i was young a man was a man" and i wasn't sure but it felt like she clocked me, after that i stopped displaying my pronouns.
Signs of good/bad friends/family/partners: "I wish older people could be more understanding of pronouns." Good: They might one day. They need patience and education on the topic in a way they'll understand. Neutral: They're old school, they don't understand because they're from a different time period. Bad: *Goes on a transphobic rant about how the LGBT invented pronouns and they shouldn't have to be forced to use them* "Hello, I'm Nixi and my pronouns are they/them. Nice to meet you. What's yours?" Good: Hi, I'm Sarah, She/her! Nice to meet you too." Neutral: I don't know what pronouns are. Uhh he/him I guess? Bad: I don't do that pronoun sh*t! Just call me by my name like a normal person!
TERFs *loooooooove* transvestigating hairy cis women, and it loops into misogyny real quick ("no REAL woman has such hairy legs! No REAL woman would go outside with a beard!"). They want to be bullies SO BAD that they'll target even people who aren't trans.
I know two women that have noticeable facial hair. One is AFAB the other is a plain old cis woman and both are beautiful to me. Gender is a scam. That's a hill I'll die on. I don't think gender is inherently bad or that no one should do it but I'd love to abolish gender and just make it a non issue, people pick their presentation and pronouns and it's no big effing deal. As it is gender is primarily used to police people and I don't like that coercive aspect of it at all
My grandmother was one of the coolest, kindest people I know. I miss her. When I came out as gender non-conforming, she was totally fine with it. I'm not sure if she understood entirely, but she was sweet and kind, and supportive. I feel like many people "of a certain generation" use this age as a means to duck and weave and justify their own bigotry. But not everyone, as my grandmother shows.
This person launching into a tirade and running away self-consciously needs better role models instead of an echo chamber of hate. I am a cis dude, but I know that my voice is very high so on the phones all the time I would get softly mis gendered which makes for some interesting conversations when customers meet with me in person. So even though I am he/ him, I feel very comfortable with whatever pronoun is cast my way.
If someone has a good heart, respects you and want to be as good to you as possible but says the wrong pronouns then I think it is absolutely insane to get angry at that person. This has been a problem in left wing spaces for as long as I can remember. I was around afa (antifa in my country) when I was in my teens around 2003-2006 and I hated that hanging out with them was like walking on eggshells. I used to call the group "find 5 wrongs"-punks (punks as in punk rockers). I am very left wing and will always be but I'm not for closing the door to people with less knowledge than you, which often is working class people that has grown up in a household where they didn't get as much education on things as a middle class person. Which makes these communities way too scary to enter for someone who isn't from an academic family and that sucks. It makes me so angry because we want diversity, don't we? They will learn if you let them fail. So I'm glad to hear your stance on this! To me the intent is the only important part. Only that and nothing else matters. That goes both ways too because "correct" people can be morons too. I'm talking mainly teens now so you know what I mean
Here's my take on pronouns, it doesn't matter what people see me as, that irritation is completely determined by me and it means nothing, and that's perfectly fine. Reality is just a stupid sandbox game and I can choose what benefits me and what doesn't. Being offended by nonsense words is pointless, it's all in my mind. So I choose to be happy anyway because it benefits me to be happy. I can respect people who benefit from a pronoun, but remember that suffering is created by your thought pattern and you can choose to break that pattern.
I agree, unfortunately this isnt something people can just decide to live by, took me years of meditation, therapy and effort to get to that point and i still slip up sometimes Its not really fair to require people to literally become buddhist monks
@@JordanP. You can have people who think that "cis" is a slur and that actually they are not cisgender, they are "normal". Same for gay or straight vs gay and "normal". Using "normal" to indicate that what you are is the standard form and the other version is the deviation from the expected form is how it can be a signifier of prejudice. But I think in this particular instance the comment feels hypercritical.
@@paulhammond6978 theres nothing "alternate" or "divergent" about terfs or other faschos, they just arent normal and should never be considered anything but abnormal Social shaming is a valuable tool its just not usually applied to the correct things, look at how bad stuff has gotten since faschos got way less afraid of speaking up after 2016
that friend mightve been trying to test the waters on whether or not to come out.... can you fucking imagine how painful that would've been
Trans
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Lux is giving full "hot, nonbinary librarian" realness here.
The gender envy is real
Every time a terf makes themselves miserable we're one step closer to the good timeline
The friend: "I don't get why people are having problems getting on board with pronouns"
This person: \*expertly an obliviously demonstrates why\*
someone once said i was "presenting as female" because i had boobs. 🙄
he said i should just be ok with him misgendering me until i physically transition enough to pass as male in his eyes.
this person was my boyfriend. 🗑️
I hope you broke up with him immediately.
@@Reed5016
i hope i did that too
narrator: he did not
i was already traumatized and he was gaslighting me a lot. i left 2 years later. after being raped multiple times.
@@RilianSharp I’ve been there. For me, it was my first situationship, and she refused to refer to me as anything other than she (I identified as genderfluid at the time). I say situationship, because it was never an official relationship, and she was bi-curious. She SA’d me when I told her I was uncomfortable, and said “this is just what girls do.”
I just went along with it, because I had a low self-esteem at the time. But once I actually started making queer friends and became more confident, I realized how abusive she was, and cut her off. She was abusive for other reasons as well, but I don’t feel like getting into it.
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Yeah, "female presenting" and even "(a) femme" are getting used in ways I'm extremely uncomfortable with as a transmasc person. They do not mean "person who is assumed to be female by others," "afab," or "woman." The fact that presentation is about expression and intent, not bodies or others' perception, is lost on some people. And then there's your ex 💀💀💀🗑️🗑️🗑️
@@spacefacecadet I nope out of any conversation that uses "femme" as an underhanded substitute for "woman/ woman-lite". I've seen it applied to way too many people who wouldn't identify with it (from nonpassing transmasc ppl to butch lesbians and more), and it doesn't really seem to have any utility since all the people generally grouped under that label face very different struggles.
I totally agree with you on most the pronoun introductions and the like, but I will say the take of "if they look x but are presenting y" doesn't really work in a lot of queer circles i'm in and isn't overall a great way to approach things. For example i'm a cis butch. Like your example I present extremely masc; i have a shaved head, no tits (they're just tiny), baggy tshirts, hairy legs, i even have a pretty deep voice etc. That doesn't mean I'm trying to pass as a guy and want people to assume I'm he/him. In fact in my younger years I actively used to get really upset when I was called he/him because it made me feel like I was doing womanhood 'wrong'. I feel like even if you see someone presenting a certain way, it's not a great idea to make assumptions of "oh they're an afab trying to present male/amab trying to present female". It could just be that we don't give a f* about gender presentation, and I'm finding more often than not in queer circles, it very often is people who have stopped giving a crap, lol.
I just pretty much always ask. It may feel to some like I'm clocking them, I guess, but at the same time, I'm a hairy little butch that confuses a lotta folk, so they're among friends lol.
Why can’t they just be normal for five seconds?
It’s not hard to not be weird
Normal or mostly-good people can have odd or stupid beliefs, habits, or idiosyncrasies, but I reckon there are particular beliefs and attitudes that are definite red flags indicative of much deeper issues. Lots of normal people are unfortunately low-key transphobic, but TERFs, transvestigators, and passionate transphobes are almost universally actually-bad and/or genuinely-disturbed at a level that goes well beyond just having "some opinions" about gender and sex.
A lot of times they are just unquestioned, it is odd because you can watch people go one way or the other, like I have a mom and the man that caused my birth. The man just is not the best person and not a good parent. It is very strange to watch as my mom gets better and he gets worse.
In my experience it shows a fundamental lack of compassion. they consistently assume the absolute worse of trans people and project their nasty qualities on us.
I feel like there is real potential for a comedy sketch where someone seems like a terf but they are actually a caveman who has been unfrozen and literally has trouble with the concept of pronouns because Grog no understand Grog no she, Grog is Grog! Grog no like pronoun, pronoun hurt Grog head!
Three people walk into a bar, ones a unfrozen caveman, ones a terf, ones a person who uses any pronouns. The Caveman is scared by the lights but the waitress gives him some water helps him sit. The person who uses any pronouns sits down beside the Caveman in curiosity of the man wearing a loincloth. The terf bursts into flame, after hearing the word 'she'.
@@404maxnotfoundthis needs to be painted by a talented artist.
@@phoebegee54 or if someone wants to do it, an MS paint stick figure drawing
God imagine meeting up with an old friend, they monologue for 50 minutes, cry and run out the door. She's one trip on a rake away from the perfect punchline, the only thing that would make it more embarrassing is if it took place at a spoons, it takes serious work to be the wierdest one in one of them
I've been constantly getting misgendered at work for the year+ I've been here. Management gives the excuse its just "their generation" and "slip ups will happen". Not for over a year, damnit!
Have you tried misgendering them back?
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated Yes. Got called passive-aggressive.
yeah, like unless its a sibling or cousin something you hardly ever see and they literally just forgot but make an effort to at least try, that can be understandable.
But a colleague you see on a regular basis? I'd give it 3 months of obvious effort to get it down solid.
thats how long it took me first time I had a trans friend, and I was like 15ish and had multiple untreated brain disabling hormone and neuro chemical unbalance disorders that gave me brain fog and memory problems amongst other things.
So, yeah, 3 months, like maybe more if they're genuinely trying, and just having a real hard time getting their brain to do it, but other than that, nah, then its an HR type problem.
@@GaTraCosthat's suggests that what they're doing is self identified as "aggressive"
I'm 70. Born male, but I live as a woman most of the time. It's still often expedient to pretend to be a man, so I just go along with what ever pronouns I get, as long as an obvious insult isn't intended. Almost everyone prominently displays the gender they wish to be known as. I just go along, and so far, I've never had any problems.
"I don't have a lot of friends" geez I wonder why.
I _try_ not to put too much into people using the wrong pronouns. But I also totally get that sometimes it's a "the last straw" kind of day, or it's someone from whom it genuinely hurts when they use the wrong pronouns or the wrong gendered language. I have an easier time brushing it off from people I don't know, usually.
But the tirade of bigotry is too much. Way, way back I tried being friends with someone who leaned pretty far to the right for my likes. I was in a place where I didn't know many people yet and we at least enjoyed many of the same things - a lot of "nerdy" stuff. I wasn't aware I was trans yet, and politics weren't exactly chill, but they hadn't become Trumpian yet. Even so, it was a challenge at times and it definitely seemed like I was doing a lot of the compromising. And that attempt at friendship ended because she went on a tirade -- and really wanted me to know how little she thought of my opinions. It started because I _agreed_ with her that a certain show's quality had gone down, and maybe it was because the writers were being stretched thin with spin-offs and having to keep it going for many seasons after the story had kind of run its course. Idiot me for thinking about the workers instead of her desire for entertainment. Also, it was at a frozen yogurt shop. She wound up storming out after her outburst, spiking her ice-cream in the trash like she was scoring a touch down. I was incredibly angry about the whole exchange but stayed composed, I apologized to the people in the shop, then made my own way out, drove home, and never spoke to or texted her again.
I feel it's worth mentioning that the reason we'd even been there was because she wanted to meet up for my birthday which was that day, even though I'd asked to not celebrate my birthday because it had had a weird string of bad luck for a few years in a row.
I'm just glad that happened before the ramping up occurred from 2015 onward. I would not be much surprised if she's fully gone MAGA and for sure would hate my very existence as a trans person.
TERFS try to be normal challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
She doesn´t have many friends. Wondering why...
I prefer amateur nouns.
I'm not a fan of adverbs, but here we are.
Those adjectives really make my blood boil!
honestly, how are we supposed to adverbify words like "leisurely"?? "leisurelily"??????????????? IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!!
Schoolhouse Rock tried to warn us with “Loli Loli Loli / Get your adverbs here”
@@TheFiteShow the adverb for leisurely is leisurely, just like the adverb for hard is just hard. That's hardly difficult.
So... "Ovarit" is a terfy forum? And this is "oopsy, I'm the victim here because my friend didn't like my unhinged rant on the subject"?
yes, Ovarit is a terf invite only clone of reddit after they banned the genedercrtical subreddit. I am suprised they didn't get sued for how similar their ui looks.Side note the developers who worked on it are the same developers who made Gab the neo-nzi platform.
what if her friend was about to come out as non binary?
lol at chat talking about stew recipes that is so wholesome
2:54 clocked by a streamer who has never seen me. ☠️
Often, it's not a case of 'not having real problems' but instead the person feels powerless to confront the direct problems in their lives, so they substitute problems where they feel like they can 'make a difference.'
I have absolutely no issues with people having their choice of pronouns and me trying to use them appropriately... my issue is I'm AuDHD..... and I have always issues with poor word recall .... think aphasia, though for different reasons... so my ability to recall Names Pronouns, etc. sucks on a good day and on a bad day admittedly looks down right malicious though it is totally unintentional, keep in mind that I frequently have trouble with family members including my Mother and Sister to the point that when I was little there was a family joke about 'Hey you '... anyway though I have no doubt I'm in the minority please be patient because sometimes it's less malicious than it is a brain malfunction...
ofc sweetheart. as long as u give people the heads up im sure its fine
It's really difficult wanting to wear a dress as a Transwomen and can't because I haven't shaved. It's possible to just wear pants but, it's really difficult for us WHO don't have JOBS. It's so hard trying to find a Gender inclusive supportive job in Texas. We don't have reasorces or Job Agency pools. So It's common to hate Bidens statement of Jobs increasing when it's not true. I hope it's different with Mamala.
I've been on estrogen for nine years and I've been told Im cis passing, but most of the time i don't mention pronouns when I'm introducing myself UNLESS someone else does first, because I don't want to draw attention to myself to people who otherwise wouldn't have clocked me. it just feels safer to me. I work in retail and had my pronouns on my name tag but in the first week of working some customer started being really weird and confrontational about it, asking if pronouns was mandatory and saying things like "when i was young a man was a man" and i wasn't sure but it felt like she clocked me, after that i stopped displaying my pronouns.
Signs of good/bad friends/family/partners:
"I wish older people could be more understanding of pronouns."
Good: They might one day. They need patience and education on the topic in a way they'll understand.
Neutral: They're old school, they don't understand because they're from a different time period.
Bad: *Goes on a transphobic rant about how the LGBT invented pronouns and they shouldn't have to be forced to use them*
"Hello, I'm Nixi and my pronouns are they/them. Nice to meet you. What's yours?"
Good: Hi, I'm Sarah, She/her! Nice to meet you too."
Neutral: I don't know what pronouns are. Uhh he/him I guess?
Bad: I don't do that pronoun sh*t! Just call me by my name like a normal person!
Huh, you right. IT'S TIME FOR WRATH!
What if You're a REALLY hairy Female? Some Females have beards
TERFs *loooooooove* transvestigating hairy cis women, and it loops into misogyny real quick ("no REAL woman has such hairy legs! No REAL woman would go outside with a beard!"). They want to be bullies SO BAD that they'll target even people who aren't trans.
I know two women that have noticeable facial hair. One is AFAB the other is a plain old cis woman and both are beautiful to me.
Gender is a scam. That's a hill I'll die on. I don't think gender is inherently bad or that no one should do it but I'd love to abolish gender and just make it a non issue, people pick their presentation and pronouns and it's no big effing deal. As it is gender is primarily used to police people and I don't like that coercive aspect of it at all
PRONOUNS??!!!!? 👿
Bold to start with 'I had a word vomit attack.'
My grandmother was one of the coolest, kindest people I know. I miss her. When I came out as gender non-conforming, she was totally fine with it. I'm not sure if she understood entirely, but she was sweet and kind, and supportive. I feel like many people "of a certain generation" use this age as a means to duck and weave and justify their own bigotry. But not everyone, as my grandmother shows.
😭 my face and my chest give me away
Bit of reassurance; they haven't won forever. It sucks now but we'll get it back.
Isnt ovarit just mumsnet for spinsters?
This person launching into a tirade and running away self-consciously needs better role models instead of an echo chamber of hate.
I am a cis dude, but I know that my voice is very high so on the phones all the time I would get softly mis gendered which makes for some interesting conversations when customers meet with me in person. So even though I am he/ him, I feel very comfortable with whatever pronoun is cast my way.
Oh, seeing you in glasses caught me off guard! I'm not used to it. They look good on you! They kind of look like my glasses.
Yeah they're new =] I'm far-sighted so they help me see my computer without straining my eyes lol. Tysm
If someone has a good heart, respects you and want to be as good to you as possible but says the wrong pronouns then I think it is absolutely insane to get angry at that person.
This has been a problem in left wing spaces for as long as I can remember.
I was around afa (antifa in my country) when I was in my teens around 2003-2006 and I hated that hanging out with them was like walking on eggshells.
I used to call the group "find 5 wrongs"-punks (punks as in punk rockers).
I am very left wing and will always be but I'm not for closing the door to people with less knowledge than you, which often is working class people that has grown up in a household where they didn't get as much education on things as a middle class person.
Which makes these communities way too scary to enter for someone who isn't from an academic family and that sucks.
It makes me so angry because we want diversity, don't we?
They will learn if you let them fail.
So I'm glad to hear your stance on this!
To me the intent is the only important part. Only that and nothing else matters. That goes both ways too because "correct" people can be morons too.
I'm talking mainly teens now so you know what I mean
Thats not what happened here and that rarely happens at all
Here's my take on pronouns, it doesn't matter what people see me as, that irritation is completely determined by me and it means nothing, and that's perfectly fine. Reality is just a stupid sandbox game and I can choose what benefits me and what doesn't. Being offended by nonsense words is pointless, it's all in my mind. So I choose to be happy anyway because it benefits me to be happy. I can respect people who benefit from a pronoun, but remember that suffering is created by your thought pattern and you can choose to break that pattern.
I agree, unfortunately this isnt something people can just decide to live by, took me years of meditation, therapy and effort to get to that point and i still slip up sometimes
Its not really fair to require people to literally become buddhist monks
@@LuluTheCorgi I'm not a buddhist monk lol, I'm a nihilist and I don't force anyone.
I know it was meant as a joke, but expecting people to be "normal" is its own kind of bigotry.
Normal is relative, in this situation I'm positioning being trans-positive as normal and being a TERF as aberrant
how is it bigoted /gen
@@JordanP. You can have people who think that "cis" is a slur and that actually they are not cisgender, they are "normal". Same for gay or straight vs gay and "normal". Using "normal" to indicate that what you are is the standard form and the other version is the deviation from the expected form is how it can be a signifier of prejudice. But I think in this particular instance the comment feels hypercritical.
@@paulhammond6978 theres nothing "alternate" or "divergent" about terfs or other faschos, they just arent normal and should never be considered anything but abnormal
Social shaming is a valuable tool its just not usually applied to the correct things, look at how bad stuff has gotten since faschos got way less afraid of speaking up after 2016