The volume of available work on CX is low, leading to another struggle for drivers to find a second job or a return journey back home. Especially for those jobs going into unpopular areas. So if I would do that job I need to consider coming back empty or moving into busy areas from the delivery point. That means adding that dead miles on the price. At least some part of it. For example, my favorite destinations are, from London to Birmingham, to Leicester, to Coventry, Nottingham, to even Manchester, I am usually happy to quote around 80p per mile (Small Van) sometimes even lower, but if the delivery time is after midday, in another word, If I am not leaving London early morning, Then there is a high chance of not finding the right job on the way back. No one wants that it is a day killer. There are two options here: Stay local or quote higher, in case nothing comes on the way back.
I was going to say similar. It's the only explanation I can come up with. As a driver, if you're winning jobs now for the same rates as in November, then you're making significantly less on that job (if anything). Dead miles are a killer and currently you're almost always having to assume it's a one way job. Having said that, I'm still not winning a lot of bids, that i consider totally reasonable, on the long distance jobs. In general, I'm getting the first job of the day, maybe even a second job, but anything after midday, I'm just not getting anything.
The only issue with that is most shippers don’t change there charge due to time of day or if the driver will get home etc. so quoting high most of the time will be pointless because either she shipper won’t have the margins or someone will just under quote who’s willing to tramp or heading that way for home. I understand prices vary but I’ve seen over £2.50 a mile for Luton’s from decent area to decent area that’s my issue.
@@JamesFletcherVlogs Yeah - it's a difficult balancing act. On the issue of tramping - it's just warming up and so the equation for the driver changes a little there, but January/February/March, how many drivers are really out tramping? I remember, Saintsman I think it was, mentioned his "winter strategy" - avoids long jobs, avoids tramping/hotels and stays local. If there are many drivers who do the same, it amounts to a significant change in driver behaviour (as a single entity). Change of topic, a video request if it works for you - as a driver it would be really interesting to see what shippers see when they recieve bids. What information is most prominent by default? Someone showed me a partial screenshot recently and it was really interesting.
People are entitled to charge what they want if you don't want to pay it choose another. Why should drivers constantly run for companies for peanuts to line their pockets? Don't see an issue here other than People bidding what they think their times worth and good luck to them.
I’ve been in this industry for about 14 years now and there has always been rough rates that everyone uses £2.67 a mile for a Luton is miles away from normal. Not everyone pays peanuts and if anything when it’s like this the drivers are dictating the low prices that shoppers pay.
@@JamesFletcherVlogs I did the job for almost 10 years mate times irrelevant really anyone can do the job with about 2 months experience rather easily. All I'm saying is the pricing is whatever they want it to be and the shipper either accepts or doesn't, there isn't any 'set' pay. I bid my rate on some jobs and more on others than I didn't really want to do for knowing if I won it at least it was worth my while. Some I won some I didn't but that's the point of the cx it's your own company so do with it as you wish. I sold jobs on there and received some high bids some low, I didn't think why they charged X amount I just accepted that's the rate they wanted and I accepted or didn't.
The old per mile scenario- don’t work in the real world matey. Shippers expect us to drive in the middle of nowhere and think they are doing is a favour by paying a pound a mile 😂 - every job has to be priced on its own merit- distance, where we end up, time of day, load etc etc - yes you’ll get a cheaper rate if the driver is heading home and that’s fine Has I’ve said before Dead miles kills drivers profit
I think the reason people are.bidding so high is the lack of work on the exchange at the mo so what they are doing is bidding on every job high does not matter where the job goes in the country making sure they have enough money on the job to drive home empty. Just my opinion , all the best buddy
This is correct, drivers used to bid low on a morning to get them started but lack of jobs means they’re travelling back empty more often than not these days so maybe bidding high for 10 jobs in the hope they win 1 of them rather than bid low, get the job and end up working the day barely covering costs. CX need to be proactive and get more shippers on the platform instead of saturating it with drivers and selling them a false dream
Well mate you are making me confused as well. Because the whole of last week I could not get more than 70p per mile in a midi van. Up and down the country I went. Dorset to Newcastle. Nothing. I saw a job go from Sheffield to Birmingham which I had quoted for @70p a mile because it was taking me home, to go for 40p a mile😮. £40 and it was one pallet.
I agree some quotes are very high and low it makes you wonder!, but I find this is the normal with cx the quotes on van and trucks they all differ so much but I'm sure the cx will pick up now, personally we look at feedback and use regulars. ADR is always an option as we pay x 3 plus the rates to a normal job which is good if a driver can do a few a week makes all the difference
James, when you are getting these very high quotes, are you taking a note of the CX membership number? We are finding the same as you, but inevitably the high quotes are from people who are relatively new on the CX and I believe they have been led to believe that they can charge those kind of rates! They will soon learn when they don’t get any jobs. The split between £100 and £240 is ridiculous when you know the right price is around £140, but I don’t think this will carry on after they learn where the going rate actually is.
I make a note of the ridiculous ones and it’s easy enough to check against the archived jobs quotes on the CX if there is regular high bidders. But I think it just shows inexperience in the industry, as you know there’s always a rough going rate for jobs that most stick to.
Great video 👍 I think people are struggling tbh mate hence the high quotes. Only thing I can think of. Each shipper has different payments terms which could be a factor to some owner drivers at higher prices. Its almost as if there's a collective effort to increase the standards on p/m prices.
Yeh many driver including myself believe there should be a fairer price for the drivers and a lower cut for shippers but theres a point where drivers are trying to charge more than shippers are getting from customers. Like 50% of my quotes atm.
Yes, it's a difficult situation. That's the issue with not having direct drivers working for the shippers. I think there needs to be a transparent standard and shippers can use drivers that are not only vetted but are reputable with a score card etc.
You are correct but drivers will bid high remember if they bid on 50 jobs really high they just want that 1 job that they secure they don't care about the other 49 I would do the same also remember you are a business so you must do right what is for u good luck buddy
Hi Freddie, I really like your videos and appreciate any info given. Just joined CX 3 weeks ago but I’m struggling a little understanding how much to quote for a small van LL2 Maxi I’ve started slowly from 0.75 and got a few jobs and then I went to 0.8 - 0.85 and I’m getting a couple only per day. I know is as well the area where you deliver that has an impact. Can you please give me an advice on how much should I quote as a newbie on CX? It will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. PS I’ve meet a driver from Manchester and he said that usually he quotes £1 for an XLWB. It’s a little confusing to be honest.
Hi, I’m not the next with small van prices, you’re best off watching saintsman small van driver on the CX or Tall man small van , they both run small vans on the CX
I put in for 7 jobs today got nothing , £1 -£1.10 for Luton .even jobs for 32 miles did not get them , by the time you pay for cx , insurance , fuel you wonder who doing these jobs and what are they charging .
Hiya mate, joined the CX this week and started out quoting at 1.30 a mile and wasn’t winning any work, so started dropping my quotes lower and lower until I got to 80p a mile and still not winning any work, any advice? P.S. I have a mwb
Hi mate, you probably chose the worst time to join, it’s been super quiet recently and prices are right down. I don’t think you’d ever get £1.30 a mile for a MWB anyway. I struggle getting CX jobs for more than £1 a mile in my LWB. If you find your own customers you’ll get £1.30. You should be able to get 80p a mile though. It might just be because your new with no feedback. Just keep quoting pal you’ll get there eventually just don’t drop any cheaper otherwise you’ll make no money
All bigger normal respectful markets are Closed for new Companies/drivers. When there is no demand for new companies then they do not let new members get registered that's it. CX is doing shit, does not give a F... About market balance 10k drivers vs about 5k-7k jobs sold per day. Thats purely cx greedyness fault for ruining van, couriers market. Nothing more to say. Just shut the f.... Gate for new members..
Is just how supply and demand works . The desperate low bidders are setting the prices down . Hope you guys realise that you will need a new van later on and also running one is not cheap. Good luck and please have respect for your work, don’t work for nothing . The huge ridiculous bids I cannot explain though 😂
High rates mate coz no one is earning enough .. so for ms there ain't enough work first of all and now ppl are killing us all by bidding stupid rates so can't compete.. Now I have to bid high on all jobs to make 1 count as I font know where another job is coming from ..
Your right there’s a lack of work but how many high bids do you win? If everyone bid a reasonable price and didn’t go stupid low it would be a fairer market for everyone.
Maybe others have seen your videos and maybe just maybe they got to thinking he’s worth chancing a higher bid as he says in his video “he wants to pay a fair price”
No way 🙅♂️ I am in SWB van with 300 positive feedback 0 negative and I am struggling to get jobs for 0.80p per mile . All shippers using better co load twats and trying to save . All these Luton co- load rats taking small van jobs .
Tbh most of the lads I talk to are doing okay with smaller vans, it’s the bigger vans that are struggling. I speak to a lot of small van drivers who are getting between 0.80 - £1 a mile easy
I am new with panel van up to 4m. If I quoted 80p per mile I loosed all jobs. I know I am new and I had not feedback. But at the moment I lost my time. My coach from Exchange told me before start work I can quoting 1£ per mile. But this is imposible. I have to wait all day and quoting all jobs
@@piotrpalka5636 I don’t understand why your not getting work quoting £0.80 per mile. Maybe leave the shipper a note saying your new and eager to do a good job. Sorry that’s not much help pal.
The volume of available work on CX is low, leading to another struggle for drivers to find a second job or a return journey back home. Especially for those jobs going into unpopular areas. So if I would do that job I need to consider coming back empty or moving into busy areas from the delivery point. That means adding that dead miles on the price. At least some part of it. For example, my favorite destinations are, from London to Birmingham, to Leicester, to Coventry, Nottingham, to even Manchester, I am usually happy to quote around 80p per mile (Small Van) sometimes even lower, but if the delivery time is after midday, in another word, If I am not leaving London early morning, Then there is a high chance of not finding the right job on the way back. No one wants that it is a day killer. There are two options here: Stay local or quote higher, in case nothing comes on the way back.
I was going to say similar. It's the only explanation I can come up with. As a driver, if you're winning jobs now for the same rates as in November, then you're making significantly less on that job (if anything). Dead miles are a killer and currently you're almost always having to assume it's a one way job. Having said that, I'm still not winning a lot of bids, that i consider totally reasonable, on the long distance jobs.
In general, I'm getting the first job of the day, maybe even a second job, but anything after midday, I'm just not getting anything.
The only issue with that is most shippers don’t change there charge due to time of day or if the driver will get home etc. so quoting high most of the time will be pointless because either she shipper won’t have the margins or someone will just under quote who’s willing to tramp or heading that way for home. I understand prices vary but I’ve seen over £2.50 a mile for Luton’s from decent area to decent area that’s my issue.
@@JamesFletcherVlogs Yeah - it's a difficult balancing act.
On the issue of tramping - it's just warming up and so the equation for the driver changes a little there, but January/February/March, how many drivers are really out tramping? I remember, Saintsman I think it was, mentioned his "winter strategy" - avoids long jobs, avoids tramping/hotels and stays local. If there are many drivers who do the same, it amounts to a significant change in driver behaviour (as a single entity).
Change of topic, a video request if it works for you - as a driver it would be really interesting to see what shippers see when they recieve bids. What information is most prominent by default? Someone showed me a partial screenshot recently and it was really interesting.
People are entitled to charge what they want if you don't want to pay it choose another. Why should drivers constantly run for companies for peanuts to line their pockets? Don't see an issue here other than People bidding what they think their times worth and good luck to them.
I’ve been in this industry for about 14 years now and there has always been rough rates that everyone uses £2.67 a mile for a Luton is miles away from normal. Not everyone pays peanuts and if anything when it’s like this the drivers are dictating the low prices that shoppers pay.
@@JamesFletcherVlogs I did the job for almost 10 years mate times irrelevant really anyone can do the job with about 2 months experience rather easily. All I'm saying is the pricing is whatever they want it to be and the shipper either accepts or doesn't, there isn't any 'set' pay. I bid my rate on some jobs and more on others than I didn't really want to do for knowing if I won it at least it was worth my while. Some I won some I didn't but that's the point of the cx it's your own company so do with it as you wish. I sold jobs on there and received some high bids some low, I didn't think why they charged X amount I just accepted that's the rate they wanted and I accepted or didn't.
The old per mile scenario- don’t work in the real world matey. Shippers expect us to drive in the middle of nowhere and think they are doing is a favour by paying a pound a mile 😂 - every job has to be priced on its own merit- distance, where we end up, time of day, load etc etc - yes you’ll get a cheaper rate if the driver is heading home and that’s fine
Has I’ve said before Dead miles kills drivers profit
(LWB ) CX has been shit since new year but last week was the worst iv had
quoting £1per mile
3 jobs tramping
too many drivers not enough work
Yeh I agree it’s too much of a saturated market at the moment
I think the reason people are.bidding so high is the lack of work on the exchange at the mo so what they are doing is bidding on every job high does not matter where the job goes in the country making sure they have enough money on the job to drive home empty. Just my opinion , all the best buddy
No you’re probably right but shippers don’t charge like that so they’ll always choose the lower price over the expensive ones
This is correct, drivers used to bid low on a morning to get them started but lack of jobs means they’re travelling back empty more often than not these days so maybe bidding high for 10 jobs in the hope they win 1 of them rather than bid low, get the job and end up working the day barely covering costs. CX need to be proactive and get more shippers on the platform instead of saturating it with drivers and selling them a false dream
Well mate you are making me confused as well. Because the whole of last week I could not get more than 70p per mile in a midi van. Up and down the country I went. Dorset to Newcastle. Nothing. I saw a job go from Sheffield to Birmingham which I had quoted for @70p a mile because it was taking me home, to go for 40p a mile😮. £40 and it was one pallet.
Can’t help you there mate sorry, I’m still selling small van stuff for between 0.85-£1 a mile.
I agree some quotes are very high and low it makes you wonder!, but I find this is the normal with cx the quotes on van and trucks they all differ so much but I'm sure the cx will pick up now, personally we look at feedback and use regulars. ADR is always an option as we pay x 3 plus the rates to a normal job which is good if a driver can do a few a week makes all the difference
James, when you are getting these very high quotes, are you taking a note of the CX membership number? We are finding the same as you, but inevitably the high quotes are from people who are relatively new on the CX and I believe they have been led to believe that they can charge those kind of rates! They will soon learn when they don’t get any jobs. The split between £100 and £240 is ridiculous when you know the right price is around £140, but I don’t think this will carry on after they learn where the going rate actually is.
I make a note of the ridiculous ones and it’s easy enough to check against the archived jobs quotes on the CX if there is regular high bidders. But I think it just shows inexperience in the industry, as you know there’s always a rough going rate for jobs that most stick to.
@@JamesFletcherVlogs There is an archived jobs quote? Something I really hate on the CX is the inability to see my quote history!
@@whitevanman9569 it only shows all received quotes on jobs not jobs you’ve quoted on unfortunately
Easy to answer. The courier exchange charges too much and the drivers are charging too little bringing prices down for everyone
Great video 👍 I think people are struggling tbh mate hence the high quotes. Only thing I can think of. Each shipper has different payments terms which could be a factor to some owner drivers at higher prices. Its almost as if there's a collective effort to increase the standards on p/m prices.
Yeh many driver including myself believe there should be a fairer price for the drivers and a lower cut for shippers but theres a point where drivers are trying to charge more than shippers are getting from customers. Like 50% of my quotes atm.
Yes, it's a difficult situation. That's the issue with not having direct drivers working for the shippers. I think there needs to be a transparent standard and shippers can use drivers that are not only vetted but are reputable with a score card etc.
I think I’m confused what do you want ! High prices or Low prices ,or do you want best of both charge the customer high pay the driver low. 😂
I want fair pricing , l only make around 10% on subbied jobs because I pay a fair price.
You are correct but drivers will bid high remember if they bid on 50 jobs really high they just want that 1 job that they secure they don't care about the other 49 I would do the same also remember you are a business so you must do right what is for u good luck buddy
Hi Freddie,
I really like your videos and appreciate any info given.
Just joined CX 3 weeks ago but I’m struggling a little understanding how much to quote for a small van LL2 Maxi I’ve started slowly from 0.75 and got a few jobs and then I went to 0.8 - 0.85 and I’m getting a couple only per day. I know is as well the area where you deliver that has an impact.
Can you please give me an advice on how much should I quote as a newbie on CX? It will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
PS
I’ve meet a driver from Manchester and he said that usually he quotes £1 for an XLWB.
It’s a little confusing to be honest.
Hi, I’m not the next with small van prices, you’re best off watching saintsman small van driver on the CX or Tall man small van , they both run small vans on the CX
@@JamesFletcherVlogs
I will do so. Thank you for the reply
I put in for 7 jobs today got nothing , £1 -£1.10 for Luton .even jobs for 32 miles did not get them , by the time you pay for cx , insurance , fuel you wonder who doing these jobs and what are they charging .
Honestly I’m still getting quoted around £1.40-£1.50 for most Luton jobs. So I don’t know why someone isn’t biting your hand off
Honest mate up the northeast is poor . I’ve never had job at 1.20 rate it’s always to high . So you end up downing jobs £1 £1.10 it’s mad ,
Hi, I’m new to this.. do you need a different type of license to drive a van for courier van
No you can drive a van up to 3.5t with a car license. You just need different insurances
This will take a lot of the drivers off cx when their year subscription expires.
That’s not necessarily a bad thing. CX is far too saturated at the moment
still plenty more fools will join dreaming of the 1k a week totally ignoring overheads/expenses/hours worked.
Hiya mate, joined the CX this week and started out quoting at 1.30 a mile and wasn’t winning any work, so started dropping my quotes lower and lower until I got to 80p a mile and still not winning any work, any advice?
P.S. I have a mwb
Hi mate, you probably chose the worst time to join, it’s been super quiet recently and prices are right down. I don’t think you’d ever get £1.30 a mile for a MWB anyway. I struggle getting CX jobs for more than £1 a mile in my LWB. If you find your own customers you’ll get £1.30. You should be able to get 80p a mile though. It might just be because your new with no feedback. Just keep quoting pal you’ll get there eventually just don’t drop any cheaper otherwise you’ll make no money
@@JamesFletcherVlogs cheers mate, really appreciate it
Yes, get out now before it’s to late.
Same for me, joined last week, the highest quote I have done was maybe 1.20£ been promised quotes of 1.4 1.5 per mile but that didn’t happened
All bigger normal respectful markets are Closed for new Companies/drivers.
When there is no demand for new companies then they do not let new members get registered that's it.
CX is doing shit, does not give a F... About market balance 10k drivers vs about 5k-7k jobs sold per day.
Thats purely cx greedyness fault for ruining van, couriers market.
Nothing more to say.
Just shut the f.... Gate for new members..
when quotes come in how are they displayed? in order of price or time?
Time pal, first quotes at the bottom newer quotes come above, unless you reject a quote then that moves to the bottom
Is just how supply and demand works . The desperate low bidders are setting the prices down . Hope you guys realise that you will need a new van later on and also running one is not cheap. Good luck and please have respect for your work, don’t work for nothing . The huge ridiculous bids I cannot explain though 😂
High rates mate coz no one is earning enough .. so for ms there ain't enough work first of all and now ppl are killing us all by bidding stupid rates so can't compete..
Now I have to bid high on all jobs to make 1 count as I font know where another job is coming from ..
Your right there’s a lack of work but how many high bids do you win? If everyone bid a reasonable price and didn’t go stupid low it would be a fairer market for everyone.
Is 88 miles 1 way or return trip? Cheers
Hi pal yeh 88 miles 1 way
Maybe others have seen your videos and maybe just maybe they got to thinking he’s worth chancing a higher bid as he says in his video “he wants to pay a fair price”
😂😂 very true but there’s a fair price and then there’s trying to bend someone over and take everything 😂😂
No way 🙅♂️ I am in SWB van with 300 positive feedback 0 negative and I am struggling to get jobs for 0.80p per mile . All shippers using better co load twats and trying to save . All these Luton co- load rats taking small van jobs .
Tbh most of the lads I talk to are doing okay with smaller vans, it’s the bigger vans that are struggling. I speak to a lot of small van drivers who are getting between 0.80 - £1 a mile easy
I am new with panel van up to 4m. If I quoted 80p per mile I loosed all jobs. I know I am new and I had not feedback. But at the moment I lost my time. My coach from Exchange told me before start work I can quoting 1£ per mile. But this is imposible. I have to wait all day and quoting all jobs
@@piotrpalka5636 I don’t understand why your not getting work quoting £0.80 per mile. Maybe leave the shipper a note saying your new and eager to do a good job. Sorry that’s not much help pal.
I find the exact same thing.. 🥴🥴🤣
15 quotes shows how bad cx is 😅 15 quotes on a job meaning 15 People needing work and there's probably 2 jobs to choose from
I had more than 15 quotes throughout November and December where there was plenty of work to choose from. It’s not uncommon to have a lot of quotes
Maybe people want to make a living
There not going to make a living overcharging and getting no work and there not going to make a living quoting too cheap.