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I don't often criticize others work, but because this is more of an educational video I'd like to chime in. I really like your platforms but you should have made them at least 16" longer than the average board you planned to stack. That way you would always be able to have your first and last sticker within an inch of the end of your board. 70% of end checks will stop at the first sticker. And the micro splitting starts as soon as the board is milled so even though it will only be in the pile for a few weeks, the damage will be done. The second problem I noticed were the tarps used to cover the stacks. Obviously tarps are cheaper than tin roofing but only if the final product comes out the same. Having the tarp come all the way down the sides of the pile is trapping the moisture inside the "tent". Air needs to flow through the pile to remove moisture. Even with the ends open, the air is restricted because of the alignment of the stickers. Whatever the covering material used, it should only cover the top of the pile or a small overhang to shed water. Lastly is a problem many encounter, myself included. For lack of open space, being forced to stack lumber in less then ideal locations. When customers ask me the best location to dry lumber I usually tell them, "the middle of your front yard". Surprise, surprise, most don't really want a stack of lumber as the focal point of their yard. So we often end up putting stacks out back in the woods. Under the tree canopy where you get little sun and less wind. It's like trying to dry laundry in a sauna. But we don't live in a perfect world so we make do with what we have. Please don't take offence at my trespassing on your tutorial. As I always tell people at the end of a job, " you've just worked your butt off, then paid me a sizable chunk of change to cut your lumber. You should now take steps to protect that investment and do everything you can to ensure you end up with the most high quality dried lumber you can". Thank you for your patience and be safe, Patrick
Thank you very much Karen. We just want to make sure we have the best lumber and slabs, we can possible produce. Hopefully make a few woodworkers plans come to life.
That is one thing I didn't really consider or think about after the 1st few times milling, just how many stickers you need!! LOL After I started making my 1st pile of lumber I was in complete 'Sticker Shock'!! Ha! 😆👍🍻
Now that brings back many memories when I worked at a saw mill helping our inspector grade lumber and stickering lumber. We had to do that to get it ready to put in the kiln. Good video with some good information. Take care Chuck and Deb. Going to have to get a t shirt.
That sounds like a good time at the mill. Wish we had a kiln here. One step at a time I guess. Feel free to click on the link for a shirt. They are waiting a ready to make you one.
Great videos. If I may suggest, the closer the sticker is to the end of the board the less chance of checking. If a board is prone to checking, the weight of the boards above will stop the checking at the sticker. Keep up the great work!
Helpo Jason. We agree, but these are only temporarily stacked here. They will be picked up in a couple weeks. We also seal all of our logs with anchor seal 2, to prevent checking. Thank you for checking out the channel. Hope you stop by in the comments more often.
Nice too see you both back and I see you are taking JENGA to new level 😆😂😆. Jk. That's some good looking poplar and very concise video of how to properly stack for drying. As always good luck and God Bless.
A few years ago I got a lot of walnut and cherry sawed and needed lots of stickers. Went to Lowes and bought a big stack of reject lumber they had outside on clearance. Spent days at my tablesaw ripping it down to stickers. Out of sheer boredom I calculated the length and figured I sawed a mile. Yep, a mile of stickers. I just got a new stash of maple and used them again. Your piles are neater than mine. I use similar pallets. Get them from an HVAC company.
Hello Barry. You did it the right way, by using dry stickers. We did the same when we first started milling. Lots of hours at the table saw paid off. We now stay one step ahead, and mill our own and have them dry before use. We couldn't find any big or strong pallets around here, so of course, we made our own.
When we stack 6' or 8' lumber, we stagger our rows in the pile. With good spacing. That way we don't have to use stickers. Only down side is the width is the same as the length
I doubt these guys are able able to do this because of the sheer volume of lumber and slabs but I will go to Harbor Freight and strap my stuff down to limit warping and cupping. Traditionally you count on the stacks weight to limit cupping but regardless of the weight its still going to cup, hence the nylon straps. You don't have to go all Arnold Schwarzenegger but get it somewhat tight.
Not at all. We create a tent over the stack that allows airflow, but keeps the rain off. We can dry down to approx 10% moisture content. Plenty of great projects have been created using our lumber and slabs
Great video as usual! What are you using to prop up the middle under the tarps. I've used cinder blocks, but they tend to tear through the tarp eventually. just wondering if you do anything different.
We place a 6x6 or cinder block at each end of the stack, then put a long 4x4 running from one block to the other. Like the ridge beam of a roof. This keep the tarp from holding water, and keeps it loose to allow air flow.
Good stuff, always glad to learn, I’m still open for great ideas, also what type mics do you use they are clear and help out so much, I posted some more videos on UA-cam , Creations by Drake, take a look at us sawing walnut
Poplar has always worked well, but we have sawn black walnut, ash, and red oak. They all work well, as long as they are dry, but will stick with poplar now. I've heard there can be issues with highly acidic woods.
a word of advice , your stickers are to far from the ends of the boards , they need to be closer . ends of boards will split and check up to sticker . sticker is 4-5 inches from end it will only split 4-5 inches.
All of our logs are sealed when they are harvested. Checking is minimal. I'm not a fan of how far they are from the edge either, but my concern is the boards sagging over time. It hasn't happened just yet with other stacks, so maybe my concern is for nothing. Time will tell.
I don't often criticize others work, but because this is more of an educational video I'd like to chime in.
I really like your platforms but you should have made them at least 16" longer than the average board you planned to stack. That way you would always be able to have your first and last sticker within an inch of the end of your board. 70% of end checks will stop at the first sticker. And the micro splitting starts as soon as the board is milled so even though it will only be in the pile for a few weeks, the damage will be done.
The second problem I noticed were the tarps used to cover the stacks. Obviously tarps are cheaper than tin roofing but only if the final product comes out the same. Having the tarp come all the way down the sides of the pile is trapping the moisture inside the "tent". Air needs to flow through the pile to remove moisture. Even with the ends open, the air is restricted because of the alignment of the stickers. Whatever the covering material used, it should only cover the top of the pile or a small overhang to shed water.
Lastly is a problem many encounter, myself included. For lack of open space, being forced to stack lumber in less then ideal locations. When customers ask me the best location to dry lumber I usually tell them, "the middle of your front yard". Surprise, surprise, most don't really want a stack of lumber as the focal point of their yard. So we often end up putting stacks out back in the woods. Under the tree canopy where you get little sun and less wind. It's like trying to dry laundry in a sauna. But we don't live in a perfect world so we make do with what we have.
Please don't take offence at my trespassing on your tutorial. As I always tell people at the end of a job, " you've just worked your butt off, then paid me a sizable chunk of change to cut your lumber. You should now take steps to protect that investment and do everything you can to ensure you end up with the most high quality dried lumber you can".
Thank you for your patience and be safe,
Patrick
You do quality work in everything you do, no matter how big or small. It shows. God bless.
Thank you very much Karen. We just want to make sure we have the best lumber and slabs, we can possible produce. Hopefully make a few woodworkers plans come to life.
Great instructions
Thx for sharing ❤
Good morning Chuck & Deb. Very informative!!! Thanks for sharing.
Hello John. Thank you. It's always good to hear from you.
Nice stack job. Stacking right makes good lumber.
Yes it does Dan for sure
That is one thing I didn't really consider or think about after the 1st few times milling, just how many stickers you need!! LOL After I started making my 1st pile of lumber I was in complete 'Sticker Shock'!! Ha! 😆👍🍻
We were in the same boat. Had a blast milling, then realized we had to take care of the product. That changed everything.
Look at that grouping, excellent work guys! Really enjoyed 👍👍
Thank you Barry.
Now that brings back many memories when I worked at a saw mill helping our inspector grade lumber and stickering lumber. We had to do that to get it ready to put in the kiln. Good video with some good information. Take care Chuck and Deb. Going to have to get a t shirt.
That sounds like a good time at the mill. Wish we had a kiln here. One step at a time I guess.
Feel free to click on the link for a shirt. They are waiting a ready to make you one.
Great videos. If I may suggest, the closer the sticker is to the end of the board the less chance of checking. If a board is prone to checking, the weight of the boards above will stop the checking at the sticker. Keep up the great work!
Helpo Jason. We agree, but these are only temporarily stacked here. They will be picked up in a couple weeks. We also seal all of our logs with anchor seal 2, to prevent checking.
Thank you for checking out the channel. Hope you stop by in the comments more often.
Thanks, always learning from your channel, GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL
Thank you Kate. I'm so glad we're helping you out with learning from the channel. Take Care
...beautiful Sir and Ma'am...
Great drone video of the haying at the end !
That is probably ly their 3rd cutting this season. I think they'll be out for one or 2 more.
Thank You Ron. Chuck's idea for sure. Take Care
Nice too see you both back and I see you are taking JENGA to new level 😆😂😆. Jk. That's some good looking poplar and very concise video of how to properly stack for drying. As always good luck and God Bless.
Thank You Mark. And take care and God bless you too
Love the attention to detail! 👍
Thank you. It makes a difference. We just want make the highest quality lumber we can.
A few years ago I got a lot of walnut and cherry sawed and needed lots of stickers. Went to Lowes and bought a big stack of reject lumber they had outside on clearance. Spent days at my tablesaw ripping it down to stickers. Out of sheer boredom I calculated the length and figured I sawed a mile. Yep, a mile of stickers. I just got a new stash of maple and used them again. Your piles are neater than mine. I use similar pallets. Get them from an HVAC company.
Hello Barry. You did it the right way, by using dry stickers. We did the same when we first started milling. Lots of hours at the table saw paid off. We now stay one step ahead, and mill our own and have them dry before use. We couldn't find any big or strong pallets around here, so of course, we made our own.
As usual another great video love the how we do it vids keep up the great work and stay safe my friends
Thank you John. We hope this helps everyone with stacking. Take Care
Nice job! So inspirational.
Thank you Steve. We hope folks can learn from our videos like this, and it makes their lumber drying a bit easier.
Great job as always.
Thank you Byron. We are glad you liked it.
Awesome thanks for sharing, need t-shirt with Deb the boss
We may have to do that. Deb "The Boss"
Chuck "The Sawyer"
Thanks so much Donald I really appreciate that
Practical system. Subscribed.
Thank you Nick. Hope to see you in the comments often.
Who are your customers? Individuals or corporations? Good looking wood BTW. Those pallets would work great for drying firewood
Individuals, but we have been approached by some larger buyers. Hoping to land a few of those.
Deb you look soon much like your mom in this video.
Nice job!!
Thank you Miriam :)
Good info guys.ty
We always hope someone learns from these videos, and makes their life easier.
Good job.
Thank you Jerry.
When we stack 6' or 8' lumber, we stagger our rows in the pile. With good spacing. That way we don't have to use stickers. Only down side is the width is the same as the length
You'll have to send some pics of that type of stacking.
No stickers??? What??
Good video. When you get it all stacked do you weight down the top layer? I’ve had issues of top boards cupping.
I doubt these guys are able able to do this because of the sheer volume of lumber and slabs but I will go to Harbor Freight and strap my stuff down to limit warping and cupping. Traditionally you count on the stacks weight to limit cupping but regardless of the weight its still going to cup, hence the nylon straps. You don't have to go all Arnold Schwarzenegger but get it somewhat tight.
We use ratchet straps once we have a full pallet. This one would probably get 5 straps around it.
Great ‘How to’ video. Nice to see you once again Chuck & Deb. Get those T shirts out the airing cupboard guys. Take care and stay safe! Stan
Thank you Stan. It's good to be making videos again. Lots going on here, and getting caught up on projects around the mill.
Do you put a strap around your stack? I am just getting started. Thanks.
How long before you can use the 2x12 for interior use
Is it left uncovered? If so why doesn’t the rain just constantly ruin the progress?
Not at all. We create a tent over the stack that allows airflow, but keeps the rain off. We can dry down to approx 10% moisture content. Plenty of great projects have been created using our lumber and slabs
Great video as usual! What are you using to prop up the middle under the tarps. I've used cinder blocks, but they tend to tear through the tarp eventually. just wondering if you do anything different.
We place a 6x6 or cinder block at each end of the stack, then put a long 4x4 running from one block to the other. Like the ridge beam of a roof. This keep the tarp from holding water, and keeps it loose to allow air flow.
Very time consuming but end result is worth it
This type of work always pays off. Thank you Mark
How do you sell your lumber? Same customers or do you advertise? Joe Schreiber
We advertise on FB marketplace, but word of mouth is doing just fine.
Good stuff, always glad to learn, I’m still open for great ideas, also what type mics do you use they are clear and help out so much, I posted some more videos on UA-cam , Creations by Drake, take a look at us sawing walnut
We will definitely check it out Danny. And thanks for the comment
Have yo u considered a kiln? At least for your prime cuts.
Yes we have, but space is our biggest enemy right now. We are researching though.
What species do you use for stickers? What species do you avoid for stickers?
Poplar has always worked well, but we have sawn black walnut, ash, and red oak. They all work well, as long as they are dry, but will stick with poplar now. I've heard there can be issues with highly acidic woods.
Funny about loading and how you know weight
a word of advice , your stickers are to far from the ends of the boards , they need to be closer . ends of boards will split and check up to sticker . sticker is 4-5 inches from end it will only split 4-5 inches.
All of our logs are sealed when they are harvested. Checking is minimal.
I'm not a fan of how far they are from the edge either, but my concern is the boards sagging over time. It hasn't happened just yet with other stacks, so maybe my concern is for nothing. Time will tell.
Good god. You mean to tell me I can't just go to Home Depot, buy wood, and use it the next day? 🙆♂🤦♂