Inspecting the Gearbox on SOUTH BEND 9 in Lathe

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  • @WarnersWorkshop
    @WarnersWorkshop 7 років тому +2

    I just purchased my first lathe today, and it just so happens to also be a South Bend 9" Model A. I watched your video series about what to look for when buying a lathe (the videos were very helpful and informative, as usual) before I went to look at it. After looking it over I was confident enough in the lathe to make the owner an offer. We made a deal and I brought the lathe home. It needs to be disassembled and cleaned, but I wanted to learn about how to take it apart, what to look for, etc. I checked your channel first, and lo and behold you have a series about taking apart and cleaning my exact lathe. You really have covered almost everything, it's astounding. Thanks for making these videos.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  7 років тому +1

      Thanks for watching. Great score on buying that SB--you will like it

  • @joea3728
    @joea3728 8 років тому +2

    great video. I have a couple of comments for those who plan on removing their gearbox.
    1: when removing and installing the gearbox, place a block of wood under the gear shift levers, just as you did, but also use the banjo as a third leg. Rotate it down so it supports the gear box. It keeps it from trying to flip over.
    2: when removing a tight nut from a keyed shaft like that, put a key in the keyway. Then you can take an appropriate size ranch and pull against the keyway. This helps prevent damage to the screw/shaft.
    3: on the two reversing gears, the oil holes goes up.
    4: you can use a spray can of open gear lube, or sprocket and chain lube, pretty much the same thing, to spray up into the gears.
    And I totally agree, don't use air to blow the chips away. Vacuum the chips. Use a brush to get to the hard-to-reach stubborn places.
    keep those videos coming. Great information that I wish I had when I started working with mice South Bend laid many many years ago. Before the Internet. I did not even have a parts list. I have had to learn the hard way. Hopefully these videos will help keep others from making the same mistakes I did.
    Joe.
    PS, On the reversing gear assembly, there are two set screws. One at the top of the slot that the locking bolt goes in. The other at the bottom of this slot. These two set screws adjust the engagement of the reversing gears. If your reversing gears Is making a lot of noise, you can adjust the gear engagement to the spindle using these set screws.
    Hope this helps someone.
    Joe.

  • @farmboy6218
    @farmboy6218 3 роки тому +1

    I'm quite certain that I speak for many people when I say that we are EXCEPTIONALLY grateful that you take time and care to make this information available to us.
    I personally owe you greatly for teaching me how to use my Big 10 South Bend lathe. I hope to someday tell you in person.
    Thank you sir for all the time you put into these videos!!!

  • @bencapobianco2045
    @bencapobianco2045 2 роки тому

    Thank you Mr. Pete! After watching your videos I now have a plan for my south bend lathe. Most of the videos online show complete dissemble and paint….. thats just too much for mine so I love that you show just what needs to be done to make it serviceable again.

  • @ryanjones9305
    @ryanjones9305 8 років тому +1

    Mr. Pete, you have perfect timing. That 13" south bend I got a couple of weeks ago already has the quick change gear box off and it looks pretty much like yours did before you cleaned it. The guy that had it was restoring it, most of it was already painted, because I'm with you, I hate painting!! So you covered the apron and gear box, now I just need you to cover the cross feed and compound next!
    Thanks for the video sir!

  • @captjamie9207
    @captjamie9207 8 років тому +4

    Great job as always Mr. Pete. Your channel has been an inspiration to me. Earlier this year I bought a Southbend 9a and have been making videos of the complete tear down and rebuild. I just posted this last weekend the rebuild of the apron. All that is left is the quick change gear box and hope to do the tear down one evening this week. Thanks again Mr. Pete, wish I would have had a shop teacher like you in High School.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  8 років тому +1

      Thanks for watching--good luck with the lathe

  • @pakman422
    @pakman422 8 років тому +1

    Of course another awesome and VERY helpful little video series from Mr. Pete! Thanks a lot! Enjoying it immensely!

  • @unshanks
    @unshanks 8 років тому +4

    Great video, informative as always... I've recently bought an older Atlas lathe, and this series is proving quite handy as a guide for the maintenance I'm going to be doing to it.

  • @thegardenofeatin5965
    @thegardenofeatin5965 5 років тому +1

    My local makerspace has one of these, I think it's a smidge longer and perhaps a few years newer but it's the same model. Seeing one come apart really helps understand how it works and will inform my use of this lathe. This is a very good and valuable video.

  • @johnstrange6799
    @johnstrange6799 8 років тому +1

    Thank you as always for everything, Mr. Pete.

  • @wither8
    @wither8 7 років тому +1

    That's a damn fine restoration Mr Pete!! Thanks for taking the time to note between model A/B and C. I'm still on the lookout for a reasonable lathe to learn on (all the schools have long since gotten rid of their shop classes so no auctions around here ) so that's good to note.

  • @ronaldnickell6110
    @ronaldnickell6110 7 років тому

    The holes in the reversing lever are reservoir for oil, and should be pointing up. I have a 9" South Bend, from 1944, a year older than myself, and I wish I was in as good a condition. I work as a millwright/ machinest in a refinery, and enjoy every day above ground. Love your video's and learn a lot. Thanks!

  • @Deecups510
    @Deecups510 4 роки тому

    You are my grandpa and also every machine shop teacher I ever had. Incidentally (a word my grandpa and every machine shop teacher I ever had used), my grandpa was also a machine shop teacher.

  • @VeeDubJohn
    @VeeDubJohn 8 років тому +1

    Thanks for that. My 9B awaits the same treatment, but I won't have the pleasure of cleaning or using a gear box. I've never had or used a lathe before so I haven't been spoiled by the quick change gear boxes yet. I think my lathe is in really good condition so maybe I'll add one some day. Anyway, thanks again and I'm so glad you are doing this series!!!

  • @MrRain-hk4zi
    @MrRain-hk4zi 5 років тому +1

    The rabbit trailing is great, as well as the instruction!

  • @turbocobra
    @turbocobra 8 років тому +2

    Crazy they painted the gears... always enjoy these type of videos sir.

    • @thegavelissoundgavel9849
      @thegavelissoundgavel9849 5 років тому

      Jusb1066 nope. It’s standard practice for these units when the were originally installed on ships or submarines serving the US Navy at the time. These were standard in machine rooms then. It was a necessary step for corrosion control in a marine environment.

  • @morelenmir
    @morelenmir Рік тому

    It often strikes me that hugely complicated gearboxes like this are effectively doing the same thing as a telephony switch-box would do, except in hardware and cogs! The genius of the chaps who designed something like this from scratch cannot be overstated..
    Absolutely *fascinating* to have a glimpse 'behind the curtain' as it were! Many thanks as ever Mr. Pete and a very happy Christmas to you and yours!!!

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  Рік тому +1

      I was thinking the same thing the other day.
      who was the genius that designed this gearbox

  • @daveharriman2756
    @daveharriman2756 3 роки тому

    Haha, I was wondering whether I should comment that you sound like Jimmy Stewart, obviously someone has already has! great instructional, no nonsense set of videos, thanks for uploading, cheers Dave

  • @crookedriver2079
    @crookedriver2079 6 років тому

    I thoroughly agree with your thoughts on compressed air. I work in a machine shop where everyone uses it to clean. BUT at home IN MY SHOP, IT IS STRICLY FORBIDDEN TO BLOW CHIPS OFF... _it gets chips everywhere and causes a lot of mess_ and A LOT of extra work to clean up. So I vacuum chips and debris whenever I possibly can. And when I can't for example blowing out a hole (as lightly as I can get away with) in a part with compressed air, I blow down into the trash can.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  6 років тому

      I think you and I are in the minority

  • @enriqueburdmanluciano2921
    @enriqueburdmanluciano2921 8 років тому +2

    Excellent videos! always a pleasure to learn with them. I recently started reading your book on hardening and tempering, complicated, but I guess it'll be easier to understand once I've read it a couple of times. Keep on keeping on!

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  8 років тому +1

      Thank you very much. The book was written by the tubal cain from England-now deceased

    • @enriqueburdmanluciano2921
      @enriqueburdmanluciano2921 8 років тому +1

      Oh, I saw the name and immediately related it to your videos, my bad!

  • @gregclark5344
    @gregclark5344 3 роки тому

    I just found your vids, excellent work.
    I have just bought an old Hercus 9 A, it's needs a bit of TLC. After watching your vids I think I should pull it apart and clean all the lubrication points to ensure it'll still be running long into the future. Thanks for your dedication.

  • @roberthorner8494
    @roberthorner8494 8 років тому

    GREAT JOB MR. PETE. IT REALLY NEEDED A CLEANING. THANKS FOR THE VIDEO.

  • @Jim-ie6uf
    @Jim-ie6uf 8 років тому

    Always enjoy your videos. Thanks

  • @petergregory5286
    @petergregory5286 8 років тому

    Watching this, I think you are fully justified in your stand against compressed air cleaning. What a mess you found. Looking forward to the rest of this series. Regards.

  • @stufffixer
    @stufffixer 5 років тому

    I have purchased my first SB9A lathe. I think that this video is excellent!

  • @murphy13295
    @murphy13295 5 років тому

    When i begin a cleaning project on any machine tool first thing i use to dislodge the grime ,gunk and pulverized metals is cutting oil thinned out with kero or wd 40 . Since the coagulated grime is mostly dried out cutting oil fresh and thinned ( with brushes ,scraping & elbow grease ) breaks to mess loose best . Like fresh coffee cleans coffee stains or fresh O.J. for O.J. stains .

  • @jhawker2895
    @jhawker2895 2 роки тому

    interesting video as always ... Thanks for sharing ... Stay safe ..

  • @AmateurRedneckWorkshop
    @AmateurRedneckWorkshop 8 років тому

    Glad to meet you Jimmy, I am called the Duke. =(;-) Both were certainly great actors. Some clean up jobs just keep on giving don't they.

  • @shanek6582
    @shanek6582 8 років тому

    Love these cleanup videos

  • @edwilliams9914
    @edwilliams9914 4 роки тому +1

    Wow! Am looking at my first 9A tomorrow morning, and am unfamiliar with them or what it would take to get it in good shape if it happens not to be. After this nice teardown vid I have far more confidence now in both being aboe to look it over and also in being aboe to do whatever restoration might be required adn a lot less trepidation about not knowig what I'm getting into. THANKS!

  • @martik778
    @martik778 8 років тому

    There are 2 long wicks, one on each shaft. With care they can be removed with needle nose pliers from the righthand end of the casting where you'll see the exposed shafts. Clean with solvent, oil and reinsert.

  • @miguelcastaneda7236
    @miguelcastaneda7236 8 років тому

    good in depth video..yea pipe cleaners we actually use those on screw machines to blockthe oil alley waysand prevent chips from blocking leave pieces inserted

  • @jacomar1496
    @jacomar1496 4 роки тому

    Muchas gracias desde Pereira Colombia tengo SOUTH BEND 9A y lo estoy dejando muy limpio

  • @PedroPedro-os6ff
    @PedroPedro-os6ff 8 років тому

    Easy Off oven cleaner, stiff brush and old cake pan and 5 gallon bucket with hot rinse water works great for cleaning, might take a couple times.

  • @thegardenofeatin5965
    @thegardenofeatin5965 4 роки тому

    It's cool to see the particular make and model lathe I have broken down.

    • @thegardenofeatin5965
      @thegardenofeatin5965 4 роки тому

      I'm one of those where, if you want me to really know how to use a machine, you've got to take it apart and show me how it works. Bugged the hell out of my flight instructors.

  • @verdatum
    @verdatum 8 років тому

    Randomly, I was well into my 20s before I realized that "pipe cleaners" were intended for cleaning smoking pipes. I figured that somehow they were originally used for cleaning plumbing pipes, and they just just stopped using pipes so narrow or there was a different version that was much much larger. I was used to only ever using them for kindergarten arts & crafts and such.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  8 років тому +2

      Me too-- I thought they were for crafts

  • @Vintageguy73
    @Vintageguy73 8 років тому +2

    It's a wonderful life Mr. Stewart :)

    • @Vintageguy73
      @Vintageguy73 3 роки тому

      It's a wonderful life, a 40's movie with Jimmy Stewart heh.

  • @Ebby1600
    @Ebby1600 2 роки тому

    I enjoyed this video very much. I am in the process of rebuilding a South Bend 9A built in 1952. Watching has me thinking about why my gearbox appears to be jammed. There is a retaining pin on one end of the shaft the two gear selectors ride and it might be installed incorrectly because in your video the shaft holding the selector levers rotates and mind doesn’t rotate. I will have to check after dinner. Thanks for your efforts to produce these videos they are great.

  • @mxcollin95
    @mxcollin95 2 роки тому

    Mr. Pete you could really use a sand blaster to make quick work of cleaning all that crud and paint off those gears and parts!

  • @jbaker323
    @jbaker323 3 роки тому

    Hi thank you so much for the excellent video. I have a question, why didnt you completely remove the paint from the apron gears? Im only asking because I have a seneca falls im restoring and i dont want to over-restore it. Thanks

  • @elsdp-4560
    @elsdp-4560 8 років тому

    THANK YOU...for sharing.

  • @thegavelissoundgavel9849
    @thegavelissoundgavel9849 5 років тому

    It’s a “transmission (or transverse)pawl” that engages/reverses the carriage.

  • @TheRicktobin
    @TheRicktobin 8 років тому +1

    could it be beneficial to remove the worn gear and reverse it and the reinstall it?

  • @GK1918
    @GK1918 8 років тому

    I do look time to time up under there, and both long of my bed 9As are as clean as new since 1942. All I can add is, cleanness is called a shop vac.. Not disrespectful, but I have been using a shoe string time to time with a little thinner and never had a mishap.
    My teacher 56 yrs ago stressed in big words; "if something falls, let it fall, something
    gets caught let it get caught" how many kids got hurt with a drill press? Teacher instilled
    us to let go of the part, keep pressure down on the quill -let it rip & spin untill you hit stop.
    So the part is ruined but you got all ya fingers..............

  • @MrMichaeljab
    @MrMichaeljab 8 років тому

    Dr. Paul E. Grabow passed away in 1965 at 97. He was a general physician in Chicago, Illinois.

  • @raymondwoodring7977
    @raymondwoodring7977 8 років тому

    great video Mr. Pete I seen some oil holes didn't know we're there is know you don't answer all questions on so if some one else can help that be great we had a flood my lathe and all were under water do you think the wicks will be ok it was oiled regular

  • @JimmiePorterAtStuartArts
    @JimmiePorterAtStuartArts 8 років тому

    Based on your "preaching" I always clean my minis with a small paint brush and a vacuum. Compressed air forbidden around those machines. Thanks!.

  • @Retroweld
    @Retroweld 8 років тому

    Nice job!

  • @skunkjobb
    @skunkjobb 3 роки тому

    That gearbox and even the other gears before it look exactly as on my Swedish Nässjö lathe from 1959. I suspect that many manufacturers used the same gearboxes since it's a rather complicated part, don't know if they made them on licence or bought them complete from a common supplier. The rest of the lathe does not look alike.

  • @kirkpennock2997
    @kirkpennock2997 4 роки тому

    Do you think silicone bronze brazing of broken gear head gear teeth on a 18 x 72 lathe with hardened steel gears will be good enough or will it wear out fast?
    Oh, and I am now a believer is by gum by gosh.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 роки тому

      I think it would hold up

  • @PeterWMeek
    @PeterWMeek 8 років тому

    Is that badly worn gear in the tumbler lever symmetrical? If so, It could possibly be reversed and present relatively unworn teeth to the engaging gear. It would require removing only one shaft (assuming that shaft can be removed without removing others).
    Thanks for this series. As a SB-9 Model A, owner, I can never know too much about the insides of the critter.

  • @glennvandenberg3912
    @glennvandenberg3912 8 років тому

    Hi Mr Pete. I have this lathe made by Sheraton. it's an Australian copy and is basically the same apart from a V belt drive. My 3 jaw chuck is in pretty bad shape. The inner sides of the jaws are badly tapered. Is it possible to replace just the jaws or is it time for a whole new chuck? If it is time for a new Chuck can you recommend a brand that is good value for money?

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  8 років тому +1

      New chuck. Gator or buck

  • @TerryD15
    @TerryD15 Рік тому

    Mr Pete, I think that you made an error. The 'worm' is driven by the leadscrew through the keyway and key in the worm. and does not work the other way round. the longitudinal feed on all of the 9" machines (A,B and C) are all driven by the leadscrew and clamp nuts. If this is not the case why are they included on the A and B models? It would lower the cost to omit them.

  • @MrUbiquitousTech
    @MrUbiquitousTech 8 років тому +2

    Great video Mr Stewart! Anyone ever mention that you sound like Mr. Pete?

    • @jimadams8182
      @jimadams8182 8 років тому +1

      Best comment!

    • @cosprint
      @cosprint 8 років тому

      I just noticed that as well. Soouunds screwy bbbut its true.

  • @EddieVBlueIsland
    @EddieVBlueIsland 4 роки тому

    Bicyle wrenches are very thin and good to have around.
    Lossen a nut by thighening it first and gently heating.

  • @kevinwillis9126
    @kevinwillis9126 8 років тому

    Thanks for sharing sir..

  • @jwills8606
    @jwills8606 4 роки тому

    After years of wrestling with dishpans of kerosene, I finally broke down and bought a Tractor Supply parts washer and 5 gallons of environmentally-unfriendly petroleum-based cleaner to go in it. What a change! Where have you been all my life, baby? Now cleaning is a breeze, and I even leave it open and do a preliminary handwash before using Go-Jo for the final. Violates all sorts of OSHA rules, I'm sure. At least I hope so.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 роки тому

      That’s something I really should do, but I do not have the floor space. And I am like you I could care less if it meets OSHA

  • @maryatienz9291
    @maryatienz9291 4 роки тому

    Ok sir. Like your tapes..... Now were i ordered the parts of mini lathe?

  • @daboz8219
    @daboz8219 7 років тому

    Notice all these old ancient guys don't wear nitrile gloves just love the b lack hands, must be the secret to longevity!

  • @bigboybuilder
    @bigboybuilder Рік тому

    I got a 16/24"X12' with QC gears 1954 model. had to take it apart to unload it, and every nut, bolt, screw and pin came out and got cleaned. good thing too there was a bit of water in the spindle bearing oil reservoir, luckily it hadn't gotten in/on the bearing film. Love the machine

  • @TheDisorderly1
    @TheDisorderly1 8 років тому

    Turns out Dr. Grabow was actually a real person and a Dr at that (according to an internet page). Here is a link pipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Grabow showing some history and a picture. He passed away in 1965 at 97 years of age(born in 1868).

  • @Joemama555
    @Joemama555 8 років тому

    whoa!!! look at that nice shirt!

  • @jamesq9410
    @jamesq9410 8 років тому

    good job

  • @bc65925
    @bc65925 8 років тому

    I need to get that keyed part on the apron of my Atlas 10" that advances the cross feed. Still trying to find one.

  • @richardhaisley1
    @richardhaisley1 8 років тому

    I used to work In a tool and die shop where it was a firing offense if they caught you using a blow gun on a machine.

  • @arcturusbbqsausagemaking2435
    @arcturusbbqsausagemaking2435 7 років тому

    Great video very interesting could you tell me anything about a lathe its a Logan Model # 200 Is it a decent lathe or junk it works well I can buy it for $150 delivered??

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  7 років тому

      Logans are good lathes. grab it for 150----or I will!!

  • @PedroPedro-os6ff
    @PedroPedro-os6ff 8 років тому

    Tip I got from Halligan142, Just finished a Logan 200

  • @varjagg
    @varjagg 8 років тому

    Good call on (not) using compressed air. Some of the most popular UA-cam machinists blow the chips around all the time, always makes me cringe.

  • @Joemama555
    @Joemama555 8 років тому

    im in springfield, 62704, what's Ironfest? :( did i spend a sunday watching Gallagher and miss something local and good?

    • @Blazer02LS
      @Blazer02LS 8 років тому

      Arnfest arnfest.com Was back at the start of last month.

  • @eddiebrooks7856
    @eddiebrooks7856 7 років тому

    Do You have a recommendation for a 1st lathe to learn on ?

  • @jonathanrams2168
    @jonathanrams2168 5 років тому

    Hello
    first time comment long time viewer. I have recently purchased a sb model A from the 1940s. I have bin in the process of cleaning up about 40+ years of dust and light rust. I have just started to go at the gear box and the tumblers are stiff and real tough. Any ideas? From what I see there is a hole at the top just like in your gearbox.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  5 років тому

      Take the whole thing off the machine including the lead screw. Then you can get at the back of it and thoroughly clean up, exam on it, and oil it

    • @jonathanrams2168
      @jonathanrams2168 5 років тому

      Yes I followed how you removed the gearbox also removing the lead screw. Now I have gearbox on my bench. Now on the tumbler the head/knob of the tumbler. I can’t find the pin that holds it in place. It’s the only part of the gearbox you didn’t take apart.

    • @jonathanrams2168
      @jonathanrams2168 5 років тому

      I can’t see a pin that holds it together.

  • @KPearce57
    @KPearce57 8 років тому

    The old girl will several pounds lighter, and much happier.

  • @jasonburns1407
    @jasonburns1407 4 роки тому

    Hi can this gearbox be installed on a model c southbend?

  • @worthdoss8043
    @worthdoss8043 5 років тому

    I have never used compressed air around my lathe or anything else for that matter.
    It is like a leaf blower it just puts trash someplace else not wanted.

  • @1889michaelcraig
    @1889michaelcraig 5 років тому

    Also because in those days items were not made to be thrown away as they are today. You got quality stuff for quality Money. But today it's not quality for quality money

  • @jasonburns1407
    @jasonburns1407 4 роки тому

    Hi mr Pete can you install this gear box on a model c southbend?

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 роки тому +1

      I think so, but I am not positive

  • @sergiokiwon6688
    @sergiokiwon6688 8 років тому

    very good
    muito bom
    recomendo

  • @renaldycruz1870
    @renaldycruz1870 3 роки тому +1

    Hagan estos tutoriales también en español

  • @rehnershinefarms1678
    @rehnershinefarms1678 6 місяців тому

    It can't be done while attached, I thought the same and ended up taking it back apart.

  • @TERRYB0688
    @TERRYB0688 3 роки тому

    Jimmy Stuart 😆

  • @DoRC
    @DoRC 8 років тому

    0:05...HA!

  • @hooter7003
    @hooter7003 8 років тому

    Hello Lyle
    Did yo notice the to oil holes the the reversing lever where clocked to hold the oil from running out ?
    Keep up the great work

  • @thegavelissoundgavel9849
    @thegavelissoundgavel9849 5 років тому

    Fail on the painted gear opinion. I’d bet this was once a USNavy property. The non contact surfaces are necessarily preserved against long term corrosion exposure in a marine environment. The air cleaning rant is accurate as f*ck. It was also most likely irregularly used and maintained by sailors with only basic training on how to use it judging by its condition. These were installed in machine shops of hundreds of ships and submarines over the decades.

  • @Siskiyous6
    @Siskiyous6 8 років тому

    Linux - Bill Gates has no control of the Linux OS's - Tubalcain get you some Linux, the Clausing of Operating Systems

    • @MrUbiquitousTech
      @MrUbiquitousTech 8 років тому +1

      Problem with Linux is nothing is compatible nor obtainable for it. Makes Apple look good, which isn't easy.

  • @shadowdog500
    @shadowdog500 8 років тому

    Nine out of ten dead doctors recommend Camel cigarettes! LOL Chris

  • @normsweet1710
    @normsweet1710 4 роки тому

    I’ve farmed, worked in a factory (making refrigeration compressors), other small job shops, drove Semi 27 yrs, Worked Jail maintenance, done pest control, my Dad taught me ( as a young man) how to read a micrometer, drill & tap, etc, ....... as I’m nearing 70 and retired I look about and see kids coming along behind my generation and rely on “off shore” for everything ............. sad to think it seems there’s no desire to self satisfy ones self to “make something” that will last. Sad indeed, I’ve willed my shop and all contents to the church to raise money for Christian ed. My Sons have no desire to see “how things work.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 роки тому

      Same with my sons. The younger generations got all her satisfaction from their phone