Driving my ELECTRIC CAR from North to South WALES at 20mph against a DIESEL CAR are EV's The Future?
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2023
- The MacMaster and @GeoffBuysCars are on another road trip. A Dirty Diesel versus an all Electric Car, The Porsche Taycan EV. Can the All Electric Vehicle beat an old Diesel Mercedes from the furthest point in North Wales to Barry Island in the South of Wales whilst having to endure the 20mph speed limit that's now in force in Wales. Who will get there first and which will be the most cost effective. The Diesel Car or the EV using the EV Public Charging Infrastructure? Let's find out in this Top Gear Challenge.
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For EV charging to be practical we need in the UK -; 600,000km of new cables , 6 new power stations , thousands of new substations , thousands of new pylons.
It's a pipedream, will never happen , another thing is there is not enough copper ,lithium etc in the world to convert us all to EV's
Agreed. I live in a narrow street of mainly old terraced houses - no parking, and nobody has a garage. What is the plan for these folks, I wonder, even if they could ever afford an electric car in this deprived area.
If 20 mph lowers fuel economy that must be worse for the environment.
Nobody said it has to make sense in clown world
Lee people's have to say NO, the people keep listening to Disgusting gangster in governments, we the people are the Sovereigns Rulers of the earth, Most are just Brainwashed and totally Asleep to what's really going on😮❤
And worse for local air pollution due to higher revs and slower and stationary traffic. And worse for safety due to driver focus on speedo rather than road ahead. It’s win, win, win!
Saaaay,.... Maybe the goal was never to protect the environment, but to control people's lives.
Most cars will need to need a lower gear to do 20 mph hench use more fuel and pollute more.
Every time I watch you pull over and use a public charger, I find me saying to myself, more and more, that I genuinely cannot believe people have signed up to this farcical concept of EV’s. It truly blows my mind. The anxiety of all chargers being in use and having to wait ages, the time it takes to charge vs fill up with fuel, the outrageous cost of electricity, the anxiety of the chargers not working or the car system refusing to take charge, the slow clunkiness of starting the charging process, the list just goes on….
How did people fall for this….?!? 🤯
Because after 2035 ICE cars are no more and electric ⚡️ vehicles take over! Did you not know that ?!!
@@knownpleasures I knew that 10 minutes ago, the cut off was supposed to be 2030, then it changed (because EV’s are such a great, flexible idea). Let’s see what the new cut off date will be in the next 10 minutes….
Also, just because our government has made a decision to do something (devoid of logic and common sense, I might add), it doesn’t mean ‘we the people’ have to just roll over and accept it. We can collectively vote with disobedience or even more extreme measures if it came to that, as has happened many times in history.
When laws become enemies of men, men become enemies of law.
@@knownpleasures Will not happen. Already been put back 5 years, will keep slipping forever
Nobody has signed up to anything. You can buy an EV or you can buy an ICE, there's going to be tons of used ICE cars for decades. If you can't afford an EV, can't home-charge, or want to do 200+ miles a day, an ICE car may suit you better. For lots of people, EVs are more convenient, that's why people are buying them, they're not being forced into it. Some people don't suit EVs and go back to ICE, as Lee probably should, but most people don't go back.
I did a 200 mile round trip to and from Nottingham this afternoon in a 1.0 Ecoboost Fiesta in under 3 hours. Foot welded to the floor in between the cameras on the M1 and used less than 30 quid's worth of fuel. Every EV was either on charge at the services or crawling along at 50mph😂
Just spent a week in Wales - beautiful country. The 20mph limit is crazy and I found that, when trying to adhere, the locals are ignoring it so traffic is up my rear. A lot of 40mph zones are around too, in areas where National Speed Limit would apply in the rest of the UK. The hatred of cars is palpable
Shares in black spray paint are looking great just now.
Usain Bolt was clocked at 27.33mph, does that mean you can get a ticket on foot?😂
Thumbs down to the cashless shop. Do they not realise a cashless society means entrapment?
Very well said.
Trouble with cash is they'd have to bank it. Bank could be 20 miles away at 20 mph
Either they don’t realise anything or they want that. I’d say most don’t realise anything because they say to me all the time things like “could never happen here” and “why would they do that”.
Maybe they haven’t got anywhere local to do their banking as all banks are closing
I haven't used cash in 4 years here in norway. I only ever use it when i'm abroad. Don't miss it to be honest. But there is no minimum purchase amount here with a card.
Motor industry: we now have the technology to produce cars more powerful and faster than ever before...
Bureaucrats: Right! Let's slow the fkers down to 20 mph!
20mph is nuts!! It’s like curb crawling. 😂
It’s official, they are now going to rename Wales “Snails”
And yes Mark Drakeford has lost his marbles , he must get a kick out of watching you suffer at 20mph lol it is insanity
Mac,
You and Geoff have stumbled on a great format. Both filming the same thing, but totally different approaches.
Great stuff.
I watched Geoff ‘s video now watching yours. It is cool to get both points of view. I really enjoy these collaborations.
If you join up the dots you will see the agenda
Very true.
Sorry Macman Councilors would be in 4x4 range rovers or Jags, the only time they would be on a Bike would be for a photo shoot.
🤣Truth!
I just saw you paid 48 pounds that’s 92 dollars in Australia I put $50 a fortnight in my 60 year old car my god that would break me. Can you imagine telling your 10 year old self that in the future when you were 40-50 that this would be the future shit life was better when we were 10 back in the 80’s and 90’s. We have actually gone backwards cause life was way better back then.
I fall asleep doing 20mph. So i put my foot down. Most are ignoring it now. Honey moon is over. Not many chargers in Wales. 20 mph was their priority.
Like you both but that Diesel shouldn't have been driven in that state
Lee we have a petition with 456,000 names and Drakeford just says NO. We are trying - we need more outside support. Thanks for doing this.
We can share details to our social media if links are provided.
NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE CAPTURED ON GO PRO!! "my foots all wet and i've got stuff on me"
😂
bandit never observed speed limits blocking for the truck.
Welsh will have to vote conservative. You will never get me in Wales again while this 20mph is there.
Won't be long 'til it's a thing in England...
@@metannica1 probably so a few 20mph about already but it won’t matter as we won’t have a car to travel anywhere. We are not controlled by government but by globalists in my opinion.
I live in north wales and came across a cyclist the other day on a 20mph road…in the end I just pulled over to let him overtake 😂
A power station like Ratcliffe on Soar generates 900Mw, wind turbines vary in size from 2-7Mw but output varies with wind speed so they only generate about 30% of their max output 70-85% of the time. So if they're 3Mw wind turbines you get 0.9Mw from each so you need 1000 to replace Ratcliffe power station, but only 476 if they're 7Mw. Unfortunately you still need Ratcliffe for when it's not windy.
and when they arent turning they use power
A Tidal power barrier from Swansea to North Somerset would produce 9GW almost 24/7
and the top of it could provide a new motorway from wales to Somerset, so it's a good job it wont be built
Wind turbines need lubrication. 700ltr in a 5MW turbine, which is changed every 9-16 months . Just stop oil😂
That would have been a huge benefit to the people of this country, no wonder it's not happening@@user-em6vi6sj7p
When i heard they were bringing in 20mph limits i thought they would be like we have in Norway, where the housing estates and residential areas are 30 kph (~20mph), and i support that. But these are not residential roads. Even in Norway these roads would be 50kph (~30mph) or 70kph (~43mph). It really is poor road planning
It's similar that in the rest of the UK
Brilliant, you drove through my little city of St Asaph, and your right the 20 does my head in. Feel your pain lee, great vlog as normal 👍🏴
I live in Wales and the 20 mph speed limit is an absolute joke, trying not to swear writing this! Over 466k have signed a petition to rescind this nonsense which WG have totally ignored.
Next challenge? Get Geoff's merc through an MOT!
No way it's getting through the emissions test.
The 20mph is carnage, like yours our car gives us the speed’s for the current road. It’s constantly disagreeing with the road signs, causing us to be looking everywhere but the road.
In South Wales, heading west on the M4 passes through Port Talbot. At that point the motorway reduces from 3 lanes to 2. In the spring/summer months, every Friday as the holiday traffic builds up the tailbacks are horrendous. As a mobile engineer we avoid anywhere around there because the slightest accident causes mayhem that nobody wants to get stuck in.
But, the crazy part is, the motorway cuts through the town of Port Talbot literally in some peoples back gardens, they’re actually looking at the concrete stations holding up the road. They have had a 50mph on that part of the M4 for a while with signs telling drivers it’s for reducing pollution to increase air quality. Approximately 300 yards away from the M4 lies the humongous Tata Steel ( the old British Steel ) plant which spews out pollutants 24/7. The locals have had their cars resprayed at Tata’s cost after whatever is coming out of the chimney stacks has landed on their cars and burnt itself into the paintwork.
Port Talbot is known for its polluting the atmosphere, in 2018 it was the most polluted town in the UK, but the politicians ( Stephen Kinnock, son of the famous EU Parliament spongers Neil and Glenys ) ignore that and persecute drivers instead.
You even made taking out the charging lead look difficult. Well done.
It isn't just Wales. Cambridgeshire has implemented 20mph as blanket limit across towns and villages everywhere. It's painful.
The irony is, an illegal electric scooter that kids ride on, can travel faster than a road legal car, that is taxed, MOT'd and insured. The 20mph is a total joke.
Buy a banger and register it as mark drakefords and drive it like you stole it through Wales!!
Another long vlog for comparison of your EV to Geoff’s Diesel Merc; and Geoff wins hands down yet again. He enjoyed his deposit he made at Tesco on the way down (I watched his vlog before this one). You should both do the NC500 in Scotland famed for being a picturesque 516-mile drive by classic car enthusiasts also known as Scotland’s Route 66.
Excellent idea I did that last may in my Yaris hybrid, I think the Mac will struggle with chargers 😂😂
Lee and Geoff, come to Romania for a real road trip. As Clarkson, Hammond and May said when they drove the Transfăgărășan highway (up to 2000 metres above sea level) "The best driving road in the WORLD". If Lee drives his Taycan though he'll definitely need a petrol driven generator in the boot! Oh yes, nobody here observes speed limits either (50kph in built up areas and 130kph on motorways and most dual carriageway roads). You have to be unlucky to get done for speeding because oncoming cars flash a warning at least two kilometres before you reach where the police are parked with their radar gun!
This 20MPH speed limit on country roads is absolutely stupid.The people of Wales should take direct action against the people who put this into place.They have to give some time from any comfortable lives to demonstrate in LARGE numbers outside their parliament ,along the roads and outside the homes of the Counsellors who voted for this.Then they would waken up the establishment into doing something about this.Unless this happens I am afraid the Drakeford lot will have won.
£48....wait until the day they add tax at the same rate as petrol
Go for a caravan challenge, take the family on holiday, fully kitted out, kids on the electronics plugged in, fridge in the caravan running, i haven't seen that on UA-cam yet
The estate I live in has 20mph speed limits, this in the NE of England. On the side roads this is sensible, on the main road through the estate, a bus route, it reduces your concentration levels of driving. At 30mph you would never look away from the road in front, only glancing to the side to check parked cars for children etc, now at 20 mph you begin to notice changes further away from the road, distractions such as building work being carried out on a house. Luckily my car has a speed control that works at 20, provided the car in front is not doing 17mph. but my diesel cars fuel economy drops drastically at 20mph. Mine is not a smoky car like Jeff's.
I cannot believe you used that cashless place. Its a pity you are not awake like Geoff.
I was charging there and there was no where for miles. Unfortunately cash will not survive. I believe in choice. Both should be available.
@@TheMacMasterNo banks means no coins issued means we must rely on the shop keeper's float. Llangollen public loos take cards. Parking charges are card but poor mobile phone signals mean they only work intermittently. But we have fabulous wind and water resources!
you see, there is a massive problem! going of to visit somewhere and 'hoping' that the charger there will work, that is totally unacceptable, i would not set off with my family hoping i could get a recharge to get home again, i will never buy an electric car no matter how much the governments push everyone to it!
I have relatives in Wales and they all hate Mr Dickford. As you and Geoff stated 20mph great near schools or in built up areas for pedestrian safety not in the open countryside.
I have some Nanny State Delete Kits available if anyone's interested. It comprises of a small screwdriver. Simply unscrew the piece of yellow plastic attached to the back of your vehicle, and then you can drive through Wales at any speed you desire. Job done.
Tempting, or put a few clever bits of black tape on certain letters /numbers to change them.
if you ever get stuck around the stoke area , you can charge at my house. its £45 an hour and the coffee is £9 with a free biscuit . that will pay for a full tank of fuel for me which will last me 2 months. great vid .
Another great video Lee, glad you didn’t end up in the quicksand. Have a great evening.🤗
Jim Carrey also puts laxative in Jeff Daniels’ drink 🍸 in Dumb and Dumber 😅 which caused problems for him leading to a comical toilet accident!! Great fun movie 🍿
It makes you wonder how long it will be before you need to have someone with a massive red flag walking in front of each car with a speed limit of about 2 mph 😂
Geoff got his fashion sense from Drew Pritchard the Salvage Hunter lol he does look the same
Lol. Drew Pritchard buys cars as well 😂😂
@@jp6975 Oh dear he could be his long lost brother 🤪🤣👍
Fashion sense ...... 🥱👚
I have an amazing idea. The 20mph should only apply to ev in order to help range. Petrol and diesels will be exempt 😊
Good idea
Did you watch all the way? It killed Lee's range too.
@@robhudson1501 not yet , interesting. It’s obviously highly inefficient and a dangerous distraction/ frustration
There's an Ausy ev guy Mguy who has excellent anti EV info.
He watches these Geoff and Lee challenges. I have watched and subbed to his channel.
From one Nottinghamashire bloke to another , the video presentation and content was EXCELLENT as always well done my friend, Geoffs not bad either! Defo you 2 keep doing this sort of old top gear stuff and you both will be STARS.
From cardiff in south wales it has added 20mins to the daily commute to work and bikes do pass you which is not safe. Labour councillors have said cut down on accidents going to cause more as yur watching the speedo more.
Police in Wales were involved in a high speed chase. The driver was clocked doing 27mph in a 20mph zone.
I hope the Corp owned Police were ticketed for breaking the gosple speed limit
I have recently acquired an EV (Q4 ETRON) and love it for everyday travel and home charging, however I totally agree that long journeys are a pain and the cost of public charging is a complete rip off. we have chosen to have 1 electric and 1 ICE vehicle for the best of both worlds but that alone confirms to me that electric is not the answer for everyone. I think that the VLOGs you and Geoff are doing give a realistic view of the issues and all done in good humour. keep up the good work
Since you did this Lee - they are talking about letting busses do 30mph in the bus lanes - which are next to the pavements....
Obviously. There is nothing sane about the 20mph policy!
85p/kwh charge...it's rip-off Britain
I hope Labour get hurt in the Senedd come the next election. Apparently there is no reasoning with this man. I hope the people in the South do the right thing and get rid. I am amazed he has not banned diesel and petrol cars totally from Wales, best not give him anymore insane ideas.
Hey Lee. I've sorted the Welsh speed animation out for you. Just make Wales go metric, then all the speed signs will be in kmh. 20mph in KPH is just over 32kph. You can even enjoy the illusion of speeding. Sorted. I am now going to fix the economy!!!!!😂😂😂
I found it hard to see those 20mph signs through the smoke and mirrors.
LET'S GO!
You keep saying 20mph "again" so clearly it isn't 20mph except in villages. It's the same in Scotland in villages and is no big deal.
20mph zone, might as well bring back the man with the red flag to walk in front of you, as seen in that old Ladybird book Man and His Car...
20 mills an hour is awful and dangerous I experience that you have to keep an eye on the speedometer is horrible.
What would happen if you had a self driving car that hadn't been updated with the 20mph limits. It could soon rack up some fines and points
Self driving in the UK is a long old way off if it ever comes at all, but the tech that is there reads the speed limit signs and adjusts.
Time for the folks of Wales to follow Spain, Holland and Argentina’s lead and vote those losers out….simply amazing.
The Macmaster and Geoff should take up ham radio, then they would have an alternative to cellphones
We definitely need more Smokey Geoff and the Fish and Chip Bandit,
20mph on a country road where there are no houses is just ridiculous. Wales, you deserve what you get, just like us in London which is stuffed with 20mph roads. Dangerous. Love watching both videos from the two different aspects. You have to watch both to get the complete prospective. Just great. I don't think I will be going to Wales again.
Why not pee against a 20MPH sign? They are taking the piss!
Put £40 of Diesel in my car today, it took less than 1 minute....How the hell is sitting in your car for an hour to charge your car progress.
20mph is unbelievable....I was going to go to Portmeirion to the Dangerman village next year for a weekend, knocked it on the head now as I reckon it'll take me 2 days to do the 160 miles there
There is a village near Hay on Wye where the 20 mph is where a school that closed about a decade ago and there are a couple of houses while the rest of the houses are in a 40mph zone.
I live by MerthyrTydfil. Emigrated from SE England. Been wonderful for the last twenty years. No regrets after the South East.. So far, not come across many 20 mph rds in around Merthyr yet. Not been effected. Been to Brecon and Abergavenny. Not effected me much so far. Time will tell as i visit other areas. It is a ludicrous decision by the Welsh assembly. Bicycles cannot be fined, just advised, yet many overtaking cars. Engine revs are higher so more pollution. It's a laugh really, should be serious, unfortunately we have Circus Clowns running Wales.
If Geoff gets to Barry without getting pulled by the Feds it will be a miracle !
Great entertaining video. Thank you Lee and Geoff!
🔥🔥Diesel powah for the win in 2023🔥🔥
A great video Lee. I live on the North Wales Coast where you have been and I regularly use the Vale of Clwyd road with all those 20 mph limits. It's absolutely chronic and quite stressful. Some of the roads are very quiet with nobody around and I keep on wondering how many lives I am supposed to be saving. In my opinion Dripford will not change his mind anymore than Sadcant with ULEZ won't, it's dictatorship to stop us moving around. We overwhelmingly petitioned against it and nothing has changed, they won't listen. Just like some people are liking EV's they are liking the 20mph, it's madness. Maybe the welsh people are waiting for this selfish man to be voted out. I live in hope but I expect it to happen in the rest of the UK too.
Woohoo....... I loved Geoff's part. Now for the fun part..... The charging stage lol.
Which is most polluting - Geoff’s Mercedes or an EV fire?
The cameras are for safety Wales has no crime didn't u know 😂
Is it faster to go green laning through Wales than use its main roads?
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Your trainers Lee, oops..
You do brilliantly, Lee, to move forward from your 8yr old beach experience.
I can't imagine Wales benefitting from the new (20) mph speed limit.
You put it together beautifully
Another fab video from both of you.
Respect for you both (as with Stephen Cheatley in Blackpool) from your friends in the High Peak 👏.
My province Alberta, Canada just made a new law that speed cameras can only be used for improving safety, like located only in loctions that have issues with unsafe driving, no more cash cow cameras. Road speed limits like the 20mph you were driving on does not improve safety, more likely the opposite with frustrated drivers and unsafe passing
The New Power Hub at the NEC in Birmingham has 180 charging points.. its run by BP Pulse UK and its more expensive than Fuel !!
I suggested before the previous trip that he sign up to Tesla Superchargers non Tesla user.There are a stack of them at Flint services and then head south. Half the price of Instavolt.But that would spoilt the script.Ce la vie
Yes and so it should be, you need to pay for the privilege of saving the planet.😊
I calculate EV owners must spend about 40 days per year standing around charging points.
You calculated that? That's interesting based on what data?
😂😂😂
Yep. However many days, life's toooo short to waste.
3 hours per day charging or waitiing to charge, equalls about one hundred hours per month.@@johnmcconville6055
Another awesome video with you and Geoff 👍👍😆😆
i'v heard don't quote me but i'v heard the blade runners wales chapter are forming so let's all shout HELP WALES BLADERUNNER THEY NEED YOU !!! 😂😂😂😂
The cameras are ANPR cameras. We are all criminals in Wales. Big Brother continually watches us on the back of prevention/detection of crime. It’s quite horrid.
By the time you get there the elderly people sign will apply to you 😂😂
Don’t forget that during the pandemic Mark Drakeford was behind the life saving exercise that was supermarkets having to block off isles of “non essential products” to save lives. This included children’s clothing aisles and woman’s sanitary products.
20 mph comes into force in London in December 23
Your Christmas 🎄 present 🎁 from Khan 😂 Geoff needs to get his Mercedes’ smoking 🚗 🚬 💨 around London, a bargain amount of pollution for £12 😊
20mph areas in stupid places in Liverpool main roads
It's very windy in London those signs better be strong enough to cope with it. The ULEZ camera's don't seem holding up well as they keep falling over. Also the dinosaur population has increased in London and they seem to like ULEZ vans.
How about you and Geoff going on a road trip to Europe?
You know a “U-tuber” is terrified when he puts his camera down .
never thought I'd see the day you could get done for speeding on a grey fergy.
Do you get free Vaseline with that? Lmfao! 😂 classic!
In the future, history will tell us that EV’s were the automotive equivalent of Betamax.
True 👍 or false :Comment:?
There was nothing fundamentally wrong with Betamax... It was fit for purpose and worked well, unlike BEV's which are the biggest mistake in the history of everything!
One difference I had, we had, the manufacturers had was the freedom to choose which system. Betamax was just too expensive and not flexible enough. All manufacturers are being forced into alternatives and the EVs were the cheapest and therefore the first option so there was no choice and increasingly less freedom of choice probably because our politicians are heavily invested in it. New fuels are out there, good,clean and relatively cheap alternatives. But do they fit the political agenda?
Mandatory 20 mph Includes cyclists!!
The idea is to create anger at the stupidity and/or fear of prosecution.
Welcome to fascism!
60 gallons of lubricants for a wind turbine. Peak power production varies it seems because you'll get different numbers from different turbine's, but seems to average around 9mw per hour because max might be 35-85mw per hour, but the wind doesn't always blow all day and the average is very low accordingly.
Wind turbines produce about a quarter of what demand is in America and we have over 100k wind turbines.
Wind turbine is basically just an engine on a stick. They don't fix the problem they just transfer it.
You mean Mw (Megawatts), not mw (milliwatts)!
Just sedto Geoff,take your cars to the Isle of Man &go around the TT coarse,the speed is unlimited over the mountain stretch and the fish&chips are amazing..plus lovely hotels in Douglas and all over the island..Ozzy
That would be the WEF owned Manx that jailed visiting english engineers for wearing masks
when they didnt know they didnt have to.