i think when most people say NV2 they actually mean "another obsidian-made fallout, please" or "another fallout in the same story-is-the-setting vein as NV"
The point of “wah why would you want a game taking place in the same setting? It would ruin player choice in the previous game!” Is a completely asinine, intentional misunderstanding made by Bethesda fanboys to discredit any point made by critics. When people say they want a “New Vegas 2”, they mean they want another fallout game that has the same, if not better quality of new Vegas rather than the brain melting slop Bethesda is hellbent on shitting out year after year.
What Bethesda fanboys? Who's out there discrediting what critics? Critics of what? I'm not sure what it is exactly you're trying to defend. The big thing is 'you can't force a good game', perhaps I could have put more emphasis there. Any game billed the next New Vegas, whether meant literal or not, would face the same unrealistic expectations.
@@speedingoffence if you don’t know about fanboys, then it’s clear you haven’t paid much attention to the fandom as a whole. Either that or I’m just constantly finding myself on the toxic side for some reason. Either way, there’s a whole side of the Bethesda fanbase who constantly defend quite literally almost everything they do while shunning new Vegas. Some well known figures are Oxhorn and Many a True Nerd. They defend all the changes and retcons Bethesda makes to the fallout series. Then you have people who criticize Bethesda’s choices, calls them out for poor writing and inconsistent settings, like Creetosis and hbomberguy. What I’m overall trying to say, is that people who say they want a ‘New Vegas 2’ don’t *literally* want a direct sequel to New Vegas. The people who tend to say this are people who are tired of Bethesda’s constant worsening of quality, and want them to put more effort into writing better things. For some reason, and I have no idea why, a lot of Bethesda fans go after critics because Bethesda can apparently do no wrong. Also yes, while I can agree that you can’t force a good game, there comes a point where you actually need to put in effort, and if your writers seem to be completely incapable of doing so, they need to be replaced. This it reinforced by Bethesda’s lead writer, Emil Pagliarulo, almost bragging about how they don’t use design documents for their writing, and that he intentionally doesn’t even put effort into his work to begin with because “people are going to take your story, rip out the pages, and make paper airplanes with them.” It’s not a matter of whether they will meet expectations (despite them being so low that they’re a tripping hazard in the lowest level of hell), and that something needs to change drastically for Bethesda to actually achieve something worthy of being called an RPG, rather than the on-rails looter-shooter they have been since 2008.
@@EmperorAmbrose I'm pretty sure you haven't watched any MATN. He's about the biggest FNV fan you can get. Look out over the media in response to Starfield. It's getting ripped to shreds. I'm not seeing any fanboys propping up to defend it. I think you're seeing an adversary that just isn't there. We'd all like more from Bethesda. I think most of us have given up hope. It'd be nice to get the Obsidian guys together to take another crack at it, because, as is so easily forgotten, they already tried once.
@@speedingoffence I can’t really believe Matn is the biggest new Vegas fan there is considering how he constantly makes incorrect and disingenuous digs at it throughout his “fallout 3/4 is better than you think” videos, but if you believe as such, then so be it. I am well aware about the general consensus about starfield. I’m glad that people are finally starting to open their eyes, but the blind patriotism is still very much a thing with fallout and elder scrolls. As much as obsidian would be a step in the right direction for fallout, much of the team who wrote new Vegas has since left. There will have to be another company to take its place, especially since Bethesda is hellbent on trying to bury any of obsidian’s involvement in the series to begin with.
@@EmperorAmbrose I've seen those videos. Liking Fallout 3 or 4 is not the same as not liking New Vegas, nor does it make you an apologist. And trying to claim that New Vegas is without fault is, even if you discount the bugs, just not realistic. It's a weird cultural phenomenon of our time where people seem to think that, should you not ascribe to one extreme, you must therefore ascribe to the opposite extreme. I liked 3 and 4 and Skyrim. I also like FTL and Rimworld and Factorio and Elden Ring. None of these things detract from New Vegas because they're good at different things.
100% Update NV to whatever current standard, sure. But NV2 will be disaster if not because all the people that made NV great already left. Unless NV2 brings back Josh Sawyer and Chris Avellone Im not buying it.
That's pretty much what Fallout 4: New Vegas is to be. The footage for this vid is in the prototype. It's on the Nexus if you want to take a look yourself!
"Shouldn't" I feel is flawed logic though. With that mindset they shouldn't have made Vice City after GTA 3, and so on up until 6. That also implies never try to make a 2 if the original wasn't so well received, when sometimes the original just need a bit more to be great and a sequel could've done that.
That's a solid point, and while I'm going to counterpoint it, it's still getting a thumbs up. There's a couple distinctions. The GTAs, for instance, weren't direct sequels. One could say that, when people ask for a new Fallout New Vegas, they're also not looking for a direct sequel, just a spiritual sequel... Well, that exists, and no one seems to remember it happened. Then you have the Mass Effect games, which are distinct because they were always meant to be a trilogy, and they don't wrap up until the third act. The big distinction with FNV, and it's fair to say I didn't really dive into it, is that it's been done for awhile now. The 'window' for that sequel came and went, and the game has ascended into... Something more. Even if that weren't the case, though, sometimes a good story should just end. Sometimes loose ends should stay loose. I think Arcane League of Legends is the best example of this, even if it is a different media- ya, those characters were fantastic, but that ending, which is nothing but loose ends, is perfect. I hope the new series will be a different story that's adjacent, but not involved with the original. Can you imagine if we got an epilogue about the Capulets and Montegues burying the hatchet?
What a well-made and thought-out video. I remember a similar argument when devil may cry 5 was just a rumour. In fact Vashthebullet made a video asking how much time, money, resources were needed to make an excellent devil may cry 5. I couldn't believe how excellent devil may cry 5 was when it was released. I can't help but feel a similar sentiment when I think of the fallout series recently (especially after fallout 76 and to some extent fallout 4). I think a fallout new vegas 2 or an improved fallout game in a different setting is overdue. I am hopeful that in 5-10 years we can look back and say they actually did it.
After much searching I was able to find the video in question. While it is a little old, I think the discussion can be applied to game development and video games sequels overall. ua-cam.com/video/2wLOiz05vPg/v-deo.html
“The Outer Worlds. A game so good that no one talks about it anymore.” People love to bash Bethesda when they underperform, but they don’t have the courage to bad mouth their God Obsidian when they clearly underperform themselves.
@@mark9960They need new talent. Writers should be treated like athletes, you have to mix and match them so they can cover each other's blind spots and yet cooperate so the unit actually functions.
It would be nice to see a sequel to what happend after the hoover dam. Like some NCR pion getting promoted to ranger or whatever you wann choose at the beginning and then try to find a way to actually civilize the people of new vegas, rebuild various buildings, build new settlements... brother, give me the power and I will promise you a worthy sequel game for new vegas. I swear on my life, with a lil bit of money and a team of developers, I'll give you the holy grail of sequels.
@@vladislavohremenco3472 the point of an RPG is roleplaying. Not being a set character. Also if you have noticed, as of now there is no set ending to NV. Your idea gives it a set ending. I’d definitely not give you money to make it because your idea is terrible.
Meh if a new vegas 2 came out it be a uproar of comparison for a year and then the actual opinion for it will come out, like f4 or f76 which wildly differ in community opinions both eventually culminated into both being perceived as "meh"
Wouldn't mind a sequel to New Vegas so long as there's a story one can come up with to justify there being a sequel. Would likely have to involve a different character and/or have it take place several years later akin to how Fallout 2 took place decades after 1 as having the same protagonist would require transferring choices from the previous game or choosing a canon ending. Or would be funny to release DLC 10 years later after the last DLC just as a fun unlikely hypothetical. The Frontier mod seemed to serve that function though it turned out to be a disappointment in terms of lore accuracy instead being as Warlockracy describes it a "an exotic spinoff, Fallout themed Duke Nukem game" and fun to watch shitposts on. Wouldn't mind a Fallout game set in a different country as i don't remember there being much info in terms of how the rest of the world is doing outside of a mentioning of Britain in 3. As others mentioned perhaps NV2 is just another way of communicating the desire for another Fallout game developed by the people who made NV or at least an installment that's similar in feel to it.
A remake of new vegas is unesessary and lazy, while its dated I don't think upgrading the graphics or shooting mechanics would make me like it even more. I would just love another game made with the same style.
Tim Cain has said after New Vegas that he has an entire story drafted for probably his final Fallout. It wouldnt be a "New Vegas 2" so to speak. All of the Black Isle/Obsidian Fallouts demonstrate a logical development of the world space that isnt simple a theme park of recognizable factions.
Tim cain also said recently on his UA-cam channel that he prefers to make his own IP instead of working on someone else's IP. I highly doubt he will make another Fallout game, especially since Bethesda would be involved, and most likely change a lot of what he has envisioned for a fallout story. It's unfortunate
A better question is, if you've been a dude all your life, and you could be something different, why wouldn't you? In real life it's a huge decision, in a video game it's flicking a switch. I'd try being a couch if they put the option in there.
i think when most people say NV2 they actually mean "another obsidian-made fallout, please" or "another fallout in the same story-is-the-setting vein as NV"
That's certainly what I mean when I say "New Vegas 2".
Hey, fair enough. I've never heard it phrased like that, I think that's quite apt.
The point of “wah why would you want a game taking place in the same setting? It would ruin player choice in the previous game!” Is a completely asinine, intentional misunderstanding made by Bethesda fanboys to discredit any point made by critics. When people say they want a “New Vegas 2”, they mean they want another fallout game that has the same, if not better quality of new Vegas rather than the brain melting slop Bethesda is hellbent on shitting out year after year.
What Bethesda fanboys? Who's out there discrediting what critics? Critics of what? I'm not sure what it is exactly you're trying to defend.
The big thing is 'you can't force a good game', perhaps I could have put more emphasis there. Any game billed the next New Vegas, whether meant literal or not, would face the same unrealistic expectations.
@@speedingoffence if you don’t know about fanboys, then it’s clear you haven’t paid much attention to the fandom as a whole. Either that or I’m just constantly finding myself on the toxic side for some reason. Either way, there’s a whole side of the Bethesda fanbase who constantly defend quite literally almost everything they do while shunning new Vegas. Some well known figures are Oxhorn and Many a True Nerd. They defend all the changes and retcons Bethesda makes to the fallout series. Then you have people who criticize Bethesda’s choices, calls them out for poor writing and inconsistent settings, like Creetosis and hbomberguy.
What I’m overall trying to say, is that people who say they want a ‘New Vegas 2’ don’t *literally* want a direct sequel to New Vegas. The people who tend to say this are people who are tired of Bethesda’s constant worsening of quality, and want them to put more effort into writing better things.
For some reason, and I have no idea why, a lot of Bethesda fans go after critics because Bethesda can apparently do no wrong.
Also yes, while I can agree that you can’t force a good game, there comes a point where you actually need to put in effort, and if your writers seem to be completely incapable of doing so, they need to be replaced. This it reinforced by Bethesda’s lead writer, Emil Pagliarulo, almost bragging about how they don’t use design documents for their writing, and that he intentionally doesn’t even put effort into his work to begin with because “people are going to take your story, rip out the pages, and make paper airplanes with them.”
It’s not a matter of whether they will meet expectations (despite them being so low that they’re a tripping hazard in the lowest level of hell), and that something needs to change drastically for Bethesda to actually achieve something worthy of being called an RPG, rather than the on-rails looter-shooter they have been since 2008.
@@EmperorAmbrose I'm pretty sure you haven't watched any MATN. He's about the biggest FNV fan you can get.
Look out over the media in response to Starfield. It's getting ripped to shreds. I'm not seeing any fanboys propping up to defend it.
I think you're seeing an adversary that just isn't there. We'd all like more from Bethesda. I think most of us have given up hope. It'd be nice to get the Obsidian guys together to take another crack at it, because, as is so easily forgotten, they already tried once.
@@speedingoffence I can’t really believe Matn is the biggest new Vegas fan there is considering how he constantly makes incorrect and disingenuous digs at it throughout his “fallout 3/4 is better than you think” videos, but if you believe as such, then so be it.
I am well aware about the general consensus about starfield. I’m glad that people are finally starting to open their eyes, but the blind patriotism is still very much a thing with fallout and elder scrolls.
As much as obsidian would be a step in the right direction for fallout, much of the team who wrote new Vegas has since left. There will have to be another company to take its place, especially since Bethesda is hellbent on trying to bury any of obsidian’s involvement in the series to begin with.
@@EmperorAmbrose I've seen those videos. Liking Fallout 3 or 4 is not the same as not liking New Vegas, nor does it make you an apologist. And trying to claim that New Vegas is without fault is, even if you discount the bugs, just not realistic.
It's a weird cultural phenomenon of our time where people seem to think that, should you not ascribe to one extreme, you must therefore ascribe to the opposite extreme. I liked 3 and 4 and Skyrim. I also like FTL and Rimworld and Factorio and Elden Ring. None of these things detract from New Vegas because they're good at different things.
100%
Update NV to whatever current standard, sure.
But NV2 will be disaster if not because all the people that made NV great already left.
Unless NV2 brings back Josh Sawyer and Chris Avellone Im not buying it.
I liked listening to it. New Vegas Remake with Biiiiiiiig Hoover Dam is my dream, but I won’t miss it if/when it never happens.
F4NV
I would rather see a vegas remaster with cut content included. More fleshed out tribes and legion for example.
That's pretty much what Fallout 4: New Vegas is to be. The footage for this vid is in the prototype. It's on the Nexus if you want to take a look yourself!
"Shouldn't" I feel is flawed logic though. With that mindset they shouldn't have made Vice City after GTA 3, and so on up until 6.
That also implies never try to make a 2 if the original wasn't so well received, when sometimes the original just need a bit more to be great and a sequel could've done that.
That's a solid point, and while I'm going to counterpoint it, it's still getting a thumbs up.
There's a couple distinctions. The GTAs, for instance, weren't direct sequels. One could say that, when people ask for a new Fallout New Vegas, they're also not looking for a direct sequel, just a spiritual sequel... Well, that exists, and no one seems to remember it happened.
Then you have the Mass Effect games, which are distinct because they were always meant to be a trilogy, and they don't wrap up until the third act.
The big distinction with FNV, and it's fair to say I didn't really dive into it, is that it's been done for awhile now. The 'window' for that sequel came and went, and the game has ascended into... Something more.
Even if that weren't the case, though, sometimes a good story should just end. Sometimes loose ends should stay loose. I think Arcane League of Legends is the best example of this, even if it is a different media- ya, those characters were fantastic, but that ending, which is nothing but loose ends, is perfect. I hope the new series will be a different story that's adjacent, but not involved with the original.
Can you imagine if we got an epilogue about the Capulets and Montegues burying the hatchet?
What a well-made and thought-out video. I remember a similar argument when devil may cry 5 was just a rumour. In fact Vashthebullet made a video asking how much time, money, resources were needed to make an excellent devil may cry 5. I couldn't believe how excellent devil may cry 5 was when it was released. I can't help but feel a similar sentiment when I think of the fallout series recently (especially after fallout 76 and to some extent fallout 4).
I think a fallout new vegas 2 or an improved fallout game in a different setting is overdue. I am hopeful that in 5-10 years we can look back and say they actually did it.
After much searching I was able to find the video in question. While it is a little old, I think the discussion can be applied to game development and video games sequels overall.
ua-cam.com/video/2wLOiz05vPg/v-deo.html
Hey, thanks!
“The Outer Worlds. A game so good that no one talks about it anymore.”
People love to bash Bethesda when they underperform, but they don’t have the courage to bad mouth their God Obsidian when they clearly underperform themselves.
Man outerworlds was so bland i had a hard believing that obsidian made it.
The only good thing in the enirety of the Outer Worlds was the minigun you got from the last DLC that was otherwise a pretty meh dlc.
That's mostly because TOW doesn't sh*t on an already beloved franchise.
@@mark9960They need new talent. Writers should be treated like athletes, you have to mix and match them so they can cover each other's blind spots and yet cooperate so the unit actually functions.
It would be nice to see a sequel to what happend after the hoover dam. Like some NCR pion getting promoted to ranger or whatever you wann choose at the beginning and then try to find a way to actually civilize the people of new vegas, rebuild various buildings, build new settlements... brother, give me the power and I will promise you a worthy sequel game for new vegas. I swear on my life, with a lil bit of money and a team of developers, I'll give you the holy grail of sequels.
That sounds terrible though.
@@Zay-y6m got a better idea?
@@vladislavohremenco3472 the point of an RPG is roleplaying. Not being a set character. Also if you have noticed, as of now there is no set ending to NV. Your idea gives it a set ending. I’d definitely not give you money to make it because your idea is terrible.
Also civilize Vegas? What? In the game what of Vegas isn’t “Civilized”? I genuinely don’t even think you played the game.
I just want a good Fallout or TES game but Obsidian and Bethesda have made it perfectly clear that's too big of an ask.
Meh if a new vegas 2 came out it be a uproar of comparison for a year and then the actual opinion for it will come out, like f4 or f76 which wildly differ in community opinions both eventually culminated into both being perceived as "meh"
Wouldn't mind a sequel to New Vegas so long as there's a story one can come up with to justify there being a sequel. Would likely have to involve a different character and/or have it take place several years later akin to how Fallout 2 took place decades after 1 as having the same protagonist would require transferring choices from the previous game or choosing a canon ending. Or would be funny to release DLC 10 years later after the last DLC just as a fun unlikely hypothetical. The Frontier mod seemed to serve that function though it turned out to be a disappointment in terms of lore accuracy instead being as Warlockracy describes it a "an exotic spinoff, Fallout themed Duke Nukem game" and fun to watch shitposts on. Wouldn't mind a Fallout game set in a different country as i don't remember there being much info in terms of how the rest of the world is doing outside of a mentioning of Britain in 3. As others mentioned perhaps NV2 is just another way of communicating the desire for another Fallout game developed by the people who made NV or at least an installment that's similar in feel to it.
A remake of new vegas is unesessary and lazy, while its dated I don't think upgrading the graphics or shooting mechanics would make me like it even more. I would just love another game made with the same style.
Tim Cain has said after New Vegas that he has an entire story drafted for probably his final Fallout. It wouldnt be a "New Vegas 2" so to speak. All of the Black Isle/Obsidian Fallouts demonstrate a logical development of the world space that isnt simple a theme park of recognizable factions.
If you had one wish
Tim cain also said recently on his UA-cam channel that he prefers to make his own IP instead of working on someone else's IP. I highly doubt he will make another Fallout game, especially since Bethesda would be involved, and most likely change a lot of what he has envisioned for a fallout story. It's unfortunate
thay can go to TX back to california and see the bone yard misty sands vault city how about florida San Francisco LA
I'd like to ask, why do men play as a female character? Are they secretly gay?
A better question is, if you've been a dude all your life, and you could be something different, why wouldn't you?
In real life it's a huge decision, in a video game it's flicking a switch. I'd try being a couch if they put the option in there.
And no, I've never deleted a comment. Circumstances may yet require it, but if your comments are getting deleted, it's not by me.