Why The Airbus A350 Will Be The Flagship Of Air India’s Fleet
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- Опубліковано 19 лют 2023
- On February 14th, Air India finally confirmed a order for 470 aircraft - split between both Boeing and Airbus models. In today’s video, we examine why the Airbus A350 could be considered the true flagship of Air India, despite the 777X being a larger aircraft…
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Both the 777X and the A350 are great aircraft types. Air India made a great decision to get both, looking forward to see those Air India colours fly into YYZ! :)
I cant wait to see the A350-1000 arrive at Air India in the coming years!
I can’t wait to see -900s and -1000s in Sydney either!
@@0ne-6right40 hope they’ll use it on that route. Happy spotting¡
@@0ne-6right40 i think it's best for air india to operate a350-1000 variant in Sydney and Melbourne
Currently demand is high between Australia and india
Vistara also getting 4 more Dreamliner soon..
Vistara also can announce Mumbai - Sydney route
As long as those two A350 and 777X are coming along to Air india fleet, I'm satisfied.
As long as it's not again nationalized, I too am
As long as we see a new brand, a new logo, a new livery and a new cabin, I’m satisfied. I honestly don’t want AI to ruin the new jets with the standards they maintained previously. High hopes for Tata btw
@H00VY there is nothing wrong with the livery
@@shahimagesyt I never said anything was wrong with the livery. I said the new jets need a fresh upgrade and a new look. That’s all :/
@@h00vy82 I for one believe that the konark logo looks good and represents our cultural heritage perfectly by the bhagwa(saffron) and red colour
I knew Air India ordered a bunch of aircraft before this video. But didn't realize the size of the order until this video came out. 470 total planes is a huge order.
For USD 100 BILLION !😉
@@StySiddhi 80b $
@@vibinmonuttan5041 Almost all sources give 100 billion !
@@StySiddhi 80b$ official.
30 on lease
I can’t wait to fly on the new Air India A350-1000 when it eventually arrives.
With the merger with Vistara, will have a sizeable dreamliner fleet as well, eventually over 50 total, should be flying with them...nice combination of the 2 :types..
Also ; AB delighted to find new homes for the 6 A350'9's !!!!
yes, shame about the Dreamliners
"We had no Airbus widebody flying with Indian colors so far.."
Jet Airways a330:
even Air India once had A330 in their fleet but for a relatively shorter duration.
Air India has operated A300, A310 and A330 aircraft in the past. What was the guy even thinking when making this statement.
@@YSLaurens exactlyyyyy
Also Kingfisher operated A330-200
Jet had A330-200/300 and even leased A340-300
@@YSLaurens THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING😂 even the now derelict Indian airlines used to fly the a300
I think one of the key points being missed here is that neither fleet type is acting as replacement for the venerable 777-300ER, and Air India is continuing to take on 777-200LRs from leases of former Delta Airlines aircraft. So I think there is a bigger picture element being missed here, we also don't know why Air India chose to only order 10 777X aircraft, and we will have to wait and see where it goes. However, I think it would be more accurate to look at the widebody fleet as a whole to be their flagship, as it's not just the plane you fly on, but the product and service offerings, and if Air India wants to build a positive brand identity, they will have to make sure of that market. Also to consider is the British Airways has a similar situation, where they've ordered the A350-1000 to replace older 777s, and the 777X to replace the 747, perhaps Air India has taken on a similar view to British Airways in this regard. Albeit, that Air India looks like it's keen to hold onto its existing 777 fleet. Especially since the 777-300ERs in its fleet are relatively young. Either way, it's going to be a very good day when we see these new aircraft in the Air India livery.
B777 is there because pilot type rating is going on at Singapore & Toulouse since there are no flight simulators in India for A350 which will come eventually. Note that B777 are leases while A350s are outright purchase.
@Parimal , I will gladly note that the 777-200LRs are being leased, however, the airline is outright buying the 777X aircraft, already outright owns some 777-200LRs of their own, and they outright own their 777-300ERs. That being said, the A350 will likely cause the airline to phase out the 200LRs in 5-8 years once the majority of their 350s have arrived.
@@josephaskins1996 Chances are B777X getting converted to B787 in future. Reason only 10 are ordered is no one wants to get into something which is not tested especially post B787, 737max fiasco.
@@josephaskins1996 Sir, what is your opinion about Air India's case ? I am confident about the TATA group but still im not sure whether Air India can successfully pull off both a full service and a low cost offering in the Indian market which is extremely price sensitive. I cant think of any other airline that has a full service and a low cost offering under the same brand name. And also, mergers have not proven to be good for airlines in india in the past.
@@sudhirlakshmanan I think Tata Group has proven it can run airlines, and that they are committed to reviving the brand they created. In fact, looking at Vistara, and what I've heard of it, the product offering and culture seem solid. I think you're right, providing full service while also having an extant low-cost interest is a bad idea, hence why I think they are merging Air Asia (India) into Air India, to consolidate their airlines into one brand and given that they've decided to go with the Air India branding, it tells me they're going to go for the full-service model in the mainline fleet, while using its main subsidiary in Air India Express to compete in the domestic market with the dominant IndiGo. I do think that they will have to carefully balance the price point of their flights with a good cabin product and good service at all points of contact with customers. And you're right, there are absolutely no Airlines in the world that run low-cost full service, bc the two are the antithesis of each other, full service carriers have attempted opening low cost subsidiaries in the past, but it has to be a distinct brand operating on the point to point model. I think the best option for Air India going forward will be operating Air India Express in a way that will minimize domestic-domestic connections while maintaining a good feeder network for international flights.
I was waiting for this video ☺️
I think the flagship will be the plane with a special kind of service/seats, the one who make you want to fly on it or is show on tv comercials! Let's see if both plane have the same interior, or if one of them will recive a special kind of class configuration.
It's a dream come true for me as A350s are coming to Indian carrier. And what can be better than the Air India livery❤️ can't wait to see them flying...
Depends upon how they deploy it and recognize its role amongst its diverse fleet.
It is great to have air crafts with different OEMs as it will reduce the dependency on a single company, Although the A-350 has its own benefits compared to the Dreamliners (787) there will be an emotional connect with the Boeing as they were in operation in earlier Air-India, But if Mr. Ratan Tata is saying so, there must be significant gains with the A-350s. All the best to the newly re-structured Air-India, we are waiting in anticipation to see Air-India as major player in the international market also.
777X isn't even currently scheduled to begin deliveries to launch customer Qatar Airways until 2025, assuming the troubled aircraft doesn't suffer any additional delays or setbacks. I suspect that Air India's 777s will be right near the back of the queue of the 300+ orders on the books. This means that, with a current 777 production rate of 3/mth, India won't start receiving jets until the 2030s
Those 777s are kind of replacement orders for existing 77w fleet. With over 50 dreamliners, 40 350s, 19 777-300ER, there won't be any urgency for the aircrafts. AFAIK, 779 is for North American routes, the existing fleet which are going to be renovated at 400 million dollars can be used till 2030.
No no no that's not how it works.
The last airline to place an order for the 777-9 before AI was British Airways.
They will receive their first aircraft in 2026 all the way to 2028.
You don't necessarily have to wait for the whole backlog to be cleared, before you receive your first aircraft even if you are last to order.
I estimate AI will receive their 777-9s from 2026/2027 to 2028/2029.
Just a note. It's common knowledge that Boeing won't start deliveries of the 777x until 2025, but it doesn't mean they won't have the aircraft built by then. They are already building customer aircraft as we speak. Air India will have theirs by 2026 without any problem
@@mmm0404 Cargolux did an order late last year
@@crazylife726 for the 777-9?
Anyways first deliveries for the 777-8F starts in 2027.
First deliveries for the 777-9 start in 2025
Air India and Indian Airlines have both operated A300s, Air India and Jet Airways have both operated A330s, and Air India has operated A310s, meaning that contrary to the Airbus CCO's statement, these A350s are not the first Indian Airbus widebodies. Quite far from being the first, actually.
Thank you for information
Didn’t know you guys had a yt channel I love reading your articles❤
nice work!
Now that will a cracking sight, A350-1000 in Air India colours.
I hope so and best wishes 🙏 💓
To me the most important thing is that they ordered from both. This means lots of people around the globe are going to have jobs manufacturing the components for the aircraft in addition to those that actually assemble them for years to come.
That was never in question. They can't keep up with demand as it is.
Exicited to see A350 into east and west airports
The A350 is a stunning aircraft! Can't wait to see it in Indian colors!!
Yeah , a350 is a great aircraft. I can't talk about the B777x much because many things are not disclosed, but if we compare to B777-300er the a350 consumes approx 1000 to 1500 kg less fuel per hour than B777-300er. So it will increase the profit margin of airline on long haul sector and save around 15 to 16 thousands of fuel on 14 to 16 hour of flights.
Both the 777x and the a350 are both very good aircraft and I sure that many Indian aviation fans would be very proud to see both the aircraft in air India’s colours
I am a fan of A350 and looking forward to fly in Air India colors :)
When these will come?
Nah the triple 7 would More likely retain flagship position with more space to improve the hard product offering and with fewer of them they will fly to most important destinations. Also your forgetting about the 787's especially the 9
The 777X keeps getting pushed back, will it have the same issues that other Boeing types have had in recent years? I've flown, as passemger, the A350 on numerous occasions and it is a great aircraft.
That livery thought…..
I wanna know what background music you use in this video.
when will the deliveries of 470 aircraft start annd when will they end
A350 is a beautiful aircraft 😍
I have flown in a350 a380
A330
777 and 787
After emirates a380 which is by far the most comfortable economy class cabin of all
Singapore airlines a350 is the second best
Boeings are quite Just OK !!
Airbus fanboy, eh?
@@ryan-bq9ds uhhhh ....kind off
Cabins will be better than SIA A350.
@@rohanbhadoria860 Uhhh yeah i figured
say no to boeing, the greedy company that makes flying coffins
350-1000 excellent choice, and I personally think it will and should be the flagship of star alliance partners.
A350 in Air India colours ❤️
Your choise of aircrafts is amazing spesialy the A 350 ( 900 and 1000 ) Air India show the world your interest in all types off aircrafts
How do you use video material from Airbus and Boeing without copyright
I agree definitely. The A350s are excellent airliners.
Agree !
Much is being made of this cockfighting between Airbus & Boeing. A dose of reality:
The combined Air India & Vistara will be 25.1% owned by Singapore Airlines.
Currently AI & Vistara operate 787s and current gen 777s. Singapore operates 787s and current gen 777s.
AI ordered A350s and 777 9X. Singapore operates 61 A350s and has ordered 777X.
AI operates A320 family & 737 family across its group. Singapore operates 737-800 and 737 MAX 8, Scoot (SQ budget) operate A320 family.
This order is amazing for Indian aviation, don't get me wrong. However, the aircraft choices, in my opinion, were decided long ago, once SQ's involvement was finalized. For context, they currently own 49% of Vistara while Tata own 51%. Tata own 100% of Air India, Air Asia and Air India Express.
None of this is surprising.
Better a flying plane that is continuously improving than one that keeps over promising and is yet to fly
Improbable to call the X the flagship when it’s still uncertain when they’ll be available.
This will help strengthen Airbus
Nice for India to add A350s to replace Boeing Widebodies
With the existing fleets + Vistara's merger it still makes 54 B787 Dreamliners (27+20+7) against 40 A350s and a total of 34 B777 all versions combined !
A350 flagship carrier ? How ?
Vistara is also owned by Singapore Airlines so the dreamliners may be transferred to them instead
Don't forget the 787 has 20 more options. Even if AI activates half of them , that n.o goes to 64
@@crypton7572 Nothing will be transferred. SIA would own 25% of AI after the merger. Tata would own 75%.
They need a new livery
Airbus is the way to go💪❤
A 350 is fantastic
What’s the reason for the different engine and tail liveries on the 777/787 compared to the other Boeing and Airbus jets?
The 777 is only offered with the GE, their (Air India’s) current 787’s have GE’s, the A320/321 Neos in GE/CFM configuration are common with the MAX jets, as well as their current A320 family of jets. The A350 is only offered with the RR Trent. If the 350 had an option for GE they would have gone with that as it saves on maintenance, as well as training costs. In Addition, all Vistara jets also have GE/CFM engines as well if I am not mistaken. This way they will save hundreds of millions in maintenance costs, and only have a slight increase for new training, tooling, and maintenance programs for the RR Trent.
@@dmcr9525 but why are the 787/777 engines painted white? And the tails don’t read Air India. Deviating from the red painted engines on the other Airbus/Boeing aircraft.
@@cskvision That would be something Air India would know. Sometimes airlines do have different liveries for different reasons. Some when introducing new aircraft, and some for variety. Such as Frontier Airlines. White paint also keeps surfaces cooler, as well as increase fuel efficiency. Most 787's actually have base white engines which im pretty sure is recommended by Boeing. British, Air Canada, United and Vietnam are among the very few 787 operators with painted engine nacelles.
Air-India should ideally lease A380s on routes from Mumbai's saturated airport. The new airport in Mumbai is easily taking 5 more years to be up & running.
Wanna fly in Air India A350-1000 already
It seems that you omitted to mention that the order is worth
USD 100 BILLION ! Why ?
Bruh 🤗
On a slightly different note, I sincerely hope AI releases new livery that maintains a clean, light n contemporary set of aesthetics - Hopefully with a different set of colors as well - Red is sooo over done in the airline world
The current livery to mr feels rather heavy, dated n clunky.
I don't think they will move away from the colour red. It will be like asking Qantas to pick another colour for their livery. It is their brand identity. However, they need to ditch the cream/off-white colour and just use white. B787 engines have a different white than the fuselage, which has always bothered me. The cream makes the plane look 'dirty' especially when in India because of the pollution. Look at any photos with AI and Vistara next to each other. Vistara's choice of white looks so much cleaner, even Indigo.
@@AbhishekMurudkar EXACTLY
I wonder if Air India is going to the buy the A350-1000 'extended range' variant.
They don't need that type
I seriously wished that they updated the livery and colours but had read somewhere that they aren't allowed to change the colours or logo for a few years after the contract with the government.. Bummer..
I think colours and logo are good and without changing them they can still change the liery
air India already operates 28 787-8 and 777 ER and LR
Given that Air India only ordered 10 777Xs I think the 777X will feature a brand new first class that won't be installed on their A350s.
Why air India order 737max(flying coffin), why they don't streamline their fleet with all NEOs
I am very concerned with AI going for the untrustworthy 737 Max!
Other Indian airline's also planning to buy more jets ! Currently Market leader in Indian airlines Indigo airlines buying now 500 jets ! Soon deal will be on board. Others also buying 50-100 jets each !
Indigo placed the order in 2019 itself. Now still around 300 planes needs to get delivered.
Your choise of aircrafts is anas
The Max would be a terrible idea
Why in the hell is AI ordering 400+ aircraft, especially since are almost always bleeding cash? Are they looking to establish a ME3 styled operation in India, adding new routes to Europe, Asia, and N.America. Is TATA that confident of AI’s future to make such a massive order?
They have put their money where their conference is, right !
It's an interesting gamble. We'll see how it goes. What they are really betting on is the dometic Indian market and taking the nonstop international traffic from India.
@@johniii8147 every time I fly from south India to London, I have to use gulf carriers. If I direct flight is available then it will be fantastic
This is the market they are targeting. People who frequently use gulf carriers to Europe or USA
A 350 is a great plane
I’m so happy about air India’s new modern liveries for a fresh start
Certainly the A350-1000 should be the Flagship. It is a completely proven aircraft whilst at the moment the 777X is way off. I was surprised at the 35 tons claim - the A350 is not that much smaller than the 777X - it is only about 8 feet shorter!
I am sure Air India has kept more options to purchase 777x compared to a350 in the future in this deal. Air India pilots are more or less used to 777 and have a long history of using that for long haul flights .
Good point.
They should also go with a least amount of a330 900 for African operation with fifth freedom connection to South America
A350-900 already a good looking jet but A350-1000 push the boundary further.
I like Boeing 777 but it is not the brand or sheer number of orders but the quality of service and maintenance and professionalism that are counted .
AI will get 6 A350 and 25 B737 in 2023. These planes will temporarily cover current AI 777 and 787 on long and medium haul routes as these planes will go under refurbishment in UK
That's the main reason
That's why qatar resolve their issues with Airbus
If they didn't cancel that A350-1000 order then they will know that those A350s will also directed to air india and they will lost their indian traffic
They are afraid from Air India 🇮🇳
Those 350s that were previously canceled are reinstated and will be delivered to QR in the coming weeks.
They're not 💀
@@AliMohammed-ef8go I heard the first of those A350s were due around the end of the year
@@nickolliver3021 airbus hq says in the coming weeks im not sure of the date but i know those aircraft that are built are going to qr
@@AliMohammed-ef8go lol the source or media update I saw said end of year so not sure who to go by. But anyway all 5 1000s seem to have had customer acceptance flights and have flown back to TLS from storage so maybe Airbus could be right.
So basically, buying a couple of every modern jet aircraft being built
Air India already have 30 Dreamliners in their fleet, with Vistara merger and new Dreamliner merger I think Dreamliner will be flagship
well you're wrong then, you mean you're a Boeing fan that wants it to be, but the A350 is a better aircraft to fly on and let's face it, it's a much better looking aircraft
@@ant2312 im pretty sure its an opinion and also there are people that like the 787s design its just peoples desired choice
and i can see 787 as workhorse as Air india already uses it and dont see any changes.
A350 will be a luxurious flagship used for Intercontinental routes. 777x will be in very dense Midhaul configuration , like flights to Dubai
100% of airlines buying the 777-9, will use them for high capacity premium routes.
If you want and aircraft with high capacity short midhaul configuration, get the 787-10 or a330-900
Our airline need to scrap that old livery especially that window highlights and engine paint. And should go for lufthansa blue tinted white. The tail livery is very okay.
Just keep it simple.
The A350-1000 is surely 35 tons lighter as it carries a lot less passengers and revenue cargo. This is why Emirates knows that the 777X is worth the wait
The backlog of the 777x means these aircraft probably will never get delivered. This was very much PR after all and you had to show allegiance to both manufacturers.
Air India badly needed the A220s for the Domestic market
I believe A350 would be a better choice as it is more economical to fly and easier to fill up to fly point to point from major cities in India.
2:36 why is the nose gear so big 😂
How can Air India forgot about a380.
will there's no doubt 777x is larger, wider aircraft; however 777x might be 747 replacement as a350 will replace 777-300ers
Also Indigo with 500 on orders.
That's not true
I knew it, air india operated old aircraft like the 77-200 quite a lot. Now they have renewed there entire fleet with new and modern aircraft. I am really excited!
Hmm - was this the reason why these orders were delayed?
So far I thought it was because of lingering Air India issues, but is it be because of 777X issues?
Fairly sure it's cause of Air India issues, they've been having this order up in the air for quite a few months, if I'm not mistaken.
@@pruhnav Any company that has had as many deep problems as Air India cannot solve everything with a take-over (not just in aviation). That is logical.
Here, however, things don't add up. It's not the order delay, but rather what has been ordered... I could speculate, but in this case, an educated guess without some insider knowledge is hard.
Classic Luke, attacking Boeing again.😂😂😂
It had nothing to do with the aircraft themselves. Negotiations with engine OEM was the cause of some of delays.
Negotiating engine discounts together with maintenance support and component supplies can be a pain in the a**..
@@Luke_Go I think they have been having problems with finding engine suppliers as @Enock said, they’ve had quite the hassle trying to find suppliers as quite literally no one was willing to work with them for a while now.
@@mmm0404 Classic: no clue about aviation
This video mentions some insider information about this A350 order. I totally understand why you didn't think that such a large A350 is strange.
You probably also didn't notice the lack of any A220 orders and you didn't question the percentage of 737max/A320-family orders. No worries: engine discounts.....
777 please
Do you think that Air India should get a new livery?
Air India will become a leading global airline very soon ! Proud Indian !
This video appeared to be of no use.
To the general public, it doesn't matter whether it is 350 or 777
What point do you want to make?
Business should run, and the show must go on at the end of the day.
With war intensifying in Ukraine, rising tensions in south china sea the oil prices are going to rise and I'm already doubting the fate of air traveling in these times. I hope it doesn't come to this that these orders get cancelled eventually.
Airbus FTW!
A350 🙂
Air india should have bought more wide body jets, and please don't sell your shares to Singapore airlines🙏, we want air India Indian
Airbus needs better infra which the govt is already working on. Yes it's a hungry bird as far as fuel is concerned but the volume it transports makes it better option than Boeing.
A350 all the way.. 👍
Size matters. End.
Why no A380s ?
Because a350 is better choice for long hauls now
A380.