Mr. Speed - KISS Tribute Band - Detroit Rock City/Shout It Out Loud (Live 2018)

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  • Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
  • Lamp Theatre 6/9/18

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  • @gregcollins7277
    @gregcollins7277 4 роки тому +66

    Some of these comments??! You gotta understand folks. It a "tribute" band ok. They're not going to sound exactly the same. I'll tell you one thing. The music is almost spot on. The vocals aren't bad at all. In my opinion on a 5 star scale I'd give them a solid 4.

    • @rogerboone5281
      @rogerboone5281 Рік тому +1

      Imagine putting on the makeup and playing these songs note for note. They are great!

  • @jhay3966
    @jhay3966 4 роки тому +84

    10/10 costumes
    10/10 on the playing
    9/10 on vocals, they're pretty good
    and the solo oh my god, very accurate

    • @MetalKReactions
      @MetalKReactions  4 роки тому +8

      Go check them out now, they have switched to the Dynasty era costumes...unreal

    • @johnmcnally5307
      @johnmcnally5307 3 роки тому

      Be honest. Kiss has lost it. 70's and 80's? I concur with a GREAT band

    • @johnmcnally5307
      @johnmcnally5307 3 роки тому

      Let's try God of Thunder. Maybe Gene can bring it back. Or Nothing to Lose Peter. Or New York Groove Ace

    • @LarryFleetwood8675
      @LarryFleetwood8675 9 місяців тому

      I'm wondering, how come they're allowed to use the Kiss logo did the real band sanction this tribute?

  • @williamchoate8102
    @williamchoate8102 4 роки тому +34

    I was lucky enough to catch these guys last year! Went into it thinking," How good can they actually be?" I came away thinking I just witnessed a real KISS concert!! Truly amazing!

  • @leokimvideo
    @leokimvideo 6 років тому +94

    Genes voice would be easy to do, just do Cookie Monster voice.

    • @lmfs4032
      @lmfs4032 5 років тому +7

      Not really. It’s hard to get Gene’s tone without it sounding stupid.

    • @jukeboxhero8137
      @jukeboxhero8137 3 роки тому

      @@lmfs4032 I like your song nothin but a good time handsome ;)

    • @walterkyree4459
      @walterkyree4459 3 роки тому

      A trick : you can watch series at flixzone. I've been using them for watching a lot of movies recently.

    • @vicentecason1555
      @vicentecason1555 3 роки тому

      @Walter Kyree yup, have been watching on flixzone} for years myself =)

    • @PlasticAssasin8
      @PlasticAssasin8 3 роки тому

      looks the same too

  • @garyalleccia2793
    @garyalleccia2793 3 роки тому +9

    It takes a lot to replicate a Kiss concert.
    These guys did it well.
    Great job!

  • @tasonycusa2093
    @tasonycusa2093 2 роки тому +1

    KISS FAN SINCE 73 when i was 5 and FORLIFE,, just saw them yesterday in hartford conn ❤️🍺🍺🍺 for the end of the road tour💔😭MR SPEED YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME KEEP IT GOING HOPE I SEE YOU GUYS LIVE SOMEDAY👍👍👍

  • @bassmanjohn7237
    @bassmanjohn7237 Рік тому +2

    Amazing commitment to do these guys musically, but then play their characters as well! BRAVO!

  • @rychbiggs5492
    @rychbiggs5492 4 роки тому +12

    Best Kiss tribute I've seen

  • @hewrecbizman
    @hewrecbizman Рік тому +3

    It's just about unbelievable that they're a tribute Kiss band, with how much they look and sound like the original Kiss.

  • @robertchua7099
    @robertchua7099 3 роки тому +12

    Paul Stanley is a great vocalist, so he's a tough act to follow. They did an excellent job. Great performance.

    • @TheLeestarr
      @TheLeestarr Рік тому

      Paul Stanley WAS a great Vocalist, He can barely sing anything now, That's why they are using Backing Tracks.

  • @dynjarren8355
    @dynjarren8355 3 роки тому +5

    I swear from a slight distance they look exactly like the originals! Amazing!

  • @annetteryan5110
    @annetteryan5110 4 роки тому +30

    Scary good....all of them...and the voices... stellar! I can't believe what I'm seeing;
    identical in power, look and sound. This takes "emulation" to another level entirely!
    They're too good for that circuit their playing...their a friggin' stadium band that could replace KISS anytime on any given night. Just give them the same KISS production and professional sound system and let these boy off the chain... because no one is gonna know, or give a damn, they can commandeer a
    "KISS" audience anywhere in the world!

    • @dynjarren8355
      @dynjarren8355 3 роки тому +2

      That is exactly what Gene and Paul should do. Hire these guys to Tour as Kiss and pay them a cut of the proceeds. Then they can retire finally. Kiss could go on like Menudo!
      Just keep replacing people after, let’s say, 10 years. After their run.
      This way Kiss is like a Rock n Roll Circus Act! Constantly touring the World 🌍!

    • @papaidolatrine2499
      @papaidolatrine2499 2 роки тому

      Except they didn’t write these songs. Sure they can play covers but I don’t know a single song written by anyone of these guys. Believe it or not there are hundreds of bands that can play just as good as this they just don’t spend their time covering legends so you might never hear of them

    • @papaidolatrine2499
      @papaidolatrine2499 2 роки тому

      Everyone has the right to think what they want but I’ve actually seen hundreds of musicians that can play at this level.

    • @annetteryan5110
      @annetteryan5110 2 роки тому +1

      @@papaidolatrine2499 ABSOLUTELY 💯...
      I was referring to another tribute band "Hybrid Theory".. (I realized this comment was about Mr. Speed after I posted) Nevertheless, I agree with you.. there are a number of "KISS" Tribute Bands that are very good!👍

  • @scottk5978
    @scottk5978 2 роки тому +3

    Our minds see these guys through the prism of our memory and compare them to the original performers. We could be disappointed when seeing the tribute bands and comparing them to the actual band. But these guys have an uncanny physical and voice resemblance. Well done.

  • @mike-u5y7t
    @mike-u5y7t 5 місяців тому

    Best KISS cover band I have seen.

  • @abefroman70
    @abefroman70 3 роки тому +3

    Sooooo good! Best tribute of KISS I’ve seen ever!🤘🏼

  • @dynjarren8355
    @dynjarren8355 2 роки тому +4

    These guys are good! I had to do a double take because Ace looks like the real Ace did and Gene looks exactly like Gene! He even has the long tongue! Crazy how close the resemble the real band!
    Good job Guys!
    👏🏻🎸😎

  • @CornerBallparkWb
    @CornerBallparkWb 4 роки тому +20

    The drummers good but plays like a mix of peter criss and Eric singer which actually is pretty cool

    • @CornerBallparkWb
      @CornerBallparkWb 4 роки тому +1

      Shawn Shields Yes! That’s a great way to put it!

    • @belfastbusfan
      @belfastbusfan 3 роки тому

      @Shawn Shields well Peter Criss is the One and only Catman #LongLivePeter!

    • @wolfgangkirby6820
      @wolfgangkirby6820 3 роки тому +1

      Hard not to after all these years hearing both lol . Kinda like playing Iron Maiden , ya end up mixing Clive and Nicko

    • @CornerBallparkWb
      @CornerBallparkWb 3 роки тому +1

      @@belfastbusfan yes but Eric singer is a better drummer and singer by far

  • @CornerBallparkWb
    @CornerBallparkWb 4 роки тому +12

    The gene sounds like a mix of gene Simmons and lemmy from Motörhead

  • @Cwostrander
    @Cwostrander Рік тому +2

    I’ve seen KISS many, many times. I swear KISS did this to punk everyone. It’s them right? Spot on for a tribute band.

  • @lauraross1639
    @lauraross1639 4 роки тому +11

    Okay guys..... this video doesn't depict how great they really sound! They are amazing in person! I love KISS and I love these guys! They are awesome!

  • @Ken-yg4um
    @Ken-yg4um 4 роки тому +3

    Think about it these guys need to be actors and musicians at the same time...I've seen quite a few Kiss tribute bands and was even invited to play the part for Ace back in the day...I kick myself in ass for not pursuing it it could of been a blast....Kiss 💋 all day long 😎

  • @roderickray8386
    @roderickray8386 Місяць тому

    These tributes bands should be grateful for what the original lineup did in the 70s to have them to match their similar looks as in the logo & costumes, also the pyro as well.

  • @itsallthingsdrums
    @itsallthingsdrums 2 роки тому +1

    Loved it!! Great work. The drum kit is perfect.....this is the kit I think of when I think about classic Peter Criss. 👍👍

  • @BAK-zl5yn
    @BAK-zl5yn 5 років тому +8

    Kiss for the next Generations..so Awesome

  • @thenotoriousamg3952
    @thenotoriousamg3952 8 місяців тому

    Wow! These guys are the best!

  • @redmackinnon4590
    @redmackinnon4590 3 роки тому +4

    Blimey, they LOOK spot on, the MUSIC is SPOT on, the voices.... well, but who cares they are great. Good on you!

  • @ernielanham558
    @ernielanham558 5 років тому +10

    Damn... Watched this a 2nd time I've NEVER seen an ace look that much like ace! Really same goes for gene and Paul. Can't really get a good look at Peter. These guys could really pass for the real deal! And you rarely here a Paul that sounds this much like Paul!

    • @davidmcque627
      @davidmcque627 2 роки тому

      Yeah the Guy has got the Ace movements perfect, that kinda stagger he does. Great!

  • @betsysingh-anand3228
    @betsysingh-anand3228 Рік тому

    Wow! Long time Kiss fan from back in the 70s....these guys are great!

  • @christrudell7966
    @christrudell7966 3 роки тому +3

    These guys are good. Note: they've put a lot of money into their stage show. Kudos 👍🇨🇦

    • @MetalKReactions
      @MetalKReactions  3 роки тому +1

      They have now switched over to the Dynasty era costumes and then Covid hit...I would go see these guys again for sure.

    • @christrudell7966
      @christrudell7966 3 роки тому

      @@MetalKReactions Yep; I would too. Rock on 🇨🇦

  • @Ajaproducciones
    @Ajaproducciones 6 років тому +30

    Peter...Is that you?

    • @jetcitysinatra7300
      @jetcitysinatra7300 4 роки тому +2

      He does look like Peter doesn't he not just with the cab makeup on but actual Peter

    • @SirManfly
      @SirManfly 4 роки тому

      @@jetcitysinatra7300 for sure !!

  • @michaels.594
    @michaels.594 Рік тому

    makes you realize what an amazing performer Paul Stanley really is. How he's been able to belt out these songs for so long. Always setting the bar high for his own performance. And maintaining the standard that KISS fans have come to expect.

  • @angierobertson2907
    @angierobertson2907 5 років тому +6

    Rich Kosak is the best tribute Paul Stanley I have seen. I’ve met them at an Indy Expo and heard them about a week later in a theatre bar in Kentucky. The sound was better in the bar than the Expos. He had asked me which was better.
    It’s been a few years and the Gene is a different guy. I can’t see drummer but I’m sure Ace is still Joe Hess.
    They rehearse and the mannerisms of each Kiss guy are in their show.
    In my opinion they are the best Kiss tribute band I’ve seen.

    • @WolverinesRage
      @WolverinesRage 4 роки тому

      Joe has left the band in the last few years.

    • @angierobertson2907
      @angierobertson2907 4 роки тому

      WolverinesRage
      I didn’t know that. He made a good Ace.

  • @richardrodriguez3004
    @richardrodriguez3004 Рік тому

    I got tickets to their show in n Knoxville, Tennessee. I like what I'm hearing.

  • @rapidjay8769
    @rapidjay8769 Рік тому

    love it. im going to see these guys in dalton ga. tonight. love from producer rapidJay from chattanooga

  • @TylerLedford-x4o
    @TylerLedford-x4o 7 місяців тому

    These guys are great.

  • @cipiripi6644
    @cipiripi6644 4 роки тому +5

    Haha that was bizarre! They even got the moves down of each member.. awesome job

    • @jhn146A
      @jhn146A 3 роки тому

      Kiss actually bounces around the stage more, but they are used to wearing the platform boots way more than these guysm

  • @trendkill1891
    @trendkill1891 2 роки тому +2

    I LOVE a good tribute band, the point is to tribute them!!!
    They’re not supposed to sound exactly on par or perform as such, it’s out of love.
    It’s the very period that inspired them as kids and they’re re-living that moment as their heroes, ALSO fans and non fans alike get to enjoy a cool show for a fraction of the price!

    • @MetalKReactions
      @MetalKReactions  2 роки тому

      Go check out the new Mr. Speed videos I posted from 8/26/22

  • @RODELIPOWER
    @RODELIPOWER 2 роки тому

    YOU ARE GREATE GUYS!!!!!!!!!! IVE BEING A KISS FAN SINCE 1976 AND YOU ARE THE BEST !!!!!!!

  • @azzamzamzam1822
    @azzamzamzam1822 Рік тому

    "Very very good KISS tribute band and maybe the Best"

  • @DavidRodriguez-mp9nh
    @DavidRodriguez-mp9nh 3 роки тому +1

    Great tribute! Keep rockin' boys!

  • @warptek
    @warptek 5 років тому +10

    Best one up there is the guy doing Gene.

    • @kurtisbanks7655
      @kurtisbanks7655 5 років тому

      Nooo way gene sounds way better

    • @j-rod6420
      @j-rod6420 4 роки тому

      Its very close look and sound,Peter also.
      These two should hook up with better paul and ace Impersonators.

    • @jhn146A
      @jhn146A 3 роки тому

      Paul is off on his his vocal cues, comes in late alot.

  • @scottedwards2618
    @scottedwards2618 2 роки тому +1

    WOW!! KISS sounds a lot better than in the other videos............oh.

  • @Martin-es8mb
    @Martin-es8mb 6 місяців тому

    Gene and Paul and Ace and Peter Criss.. wow this tribute band sounds like the original band!!.

  • @warptek
    @warptek 4 роки тому +3

    Holy shit. It's like I'm watching and hearing the real KISS but better.

  • @paulydshellyeahradio3938
    @paulydshellyeahradio3938 4 роки тому +2

    Hell Yeah Radio Supports You 100%

  • @isadoreahumphrey9103
    @isadoreahumphrey9103 5 років тому +11

    The look is there, the sound not so much.

  • @chriebyrd8743
    @chriebyrd8743 2 роки тому

    Love you guys hope to see ya at the Madison or local anyway 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @hugoforesti4125
    @hugoforesti4125 3 роки тому

    Mr.Speed are great musicians and they do look like original KISS which is remarkable.

  • @milenamonsoon7699
    @milenamonsoon7699 3 роки тому

    WOW! That's impressive, all makeup and body language! They studied the characters for a long time! AWESOME

  • @martinpatrick1746
    @martinpatrick1746 2 роки тому

    Two songs from the classic Destroyer album.. Detroit Rock City and Shout it Out Loud.. 👍🎉🎉🎉

  • @CodeBleu724
    @CodeBleu724 2 роки тому

    I dated a girl Tina in the late 90s. Her best friend Jenn's brother was "Ace" in Mr. Speed. I married that girl. Jenn disowned us because Tina and I moved away to get married and start a family and Jenn wasn't invited. Jenn never talked to us again. I now have a 20 year old son.

  • @ernielanham558
    @ernielanham558 4 роки тому +2

    Your faces... You really look like them. Great costumes too

  • @lylesommers5018
    @lylesommers5018 3 місяці тому

    These guys could headline a stadium and the crowd wouldn’t know the difference

  • @scottfleming6166
    @scottfleming6166 5 років тому +5

    That guys sings just like Gene, but then so does the Cookie Monster

  • @ssabp8313
    @ssabp8313 3 роки тому

    You could definitely see these guys are enjoying themselves.

  • @mariomohle
    @mariomohle Рік тому

    Great job!!!

  • @robinburke3323
    @robinburke3323 Місяць тому

    Pretty cool 😎

  • @jorgeporto8172
    @jorgeporto8172 2 роки тому

    They are amazing !!!

  • @6plus108
    @6plus108 5 років тому +9

    1:15 look att Gene's boots :-)

  • @BangBang-hk4rg
    @BangBang-hk4rg 4 роки тому +1

    These guys rock 🤘

  • @Martin-es8mb
    @Martin-es8mb 6 місяців тому

    Lookalike soundallike Kiss tribute band Mr Speed with two songs from the Destroyer album.

  • @stellagialla6341
    @stellagialla6341 2 роки тому

    Spettacolari!😍😍😍😍

  • @MatthewCanadian23
    @MatthewCanadian23 5 років тому +4

    Does anyone else watch these vids to laugh ? ...i saw KISS live a few months ago. . and it was my first KISS concert ever..( im 19 )
    It was fucking awsome👿💛

    • @TheJinxGaming
      @TheJinxGaming 2 роки тому

      These guys are actually really good live though

  • @denisewalker3088
    @denisewalker3088 2 роки тому +1

    They are pretty good I would like to see them

  • @godsmacked1000
    @godsmacked1000 3 роки тому

    I didn’t really read the title. I just saw Kiss and started playing it and I was thinking they perform and sound kind of lackluster for Kiss. Then I read it and saw the “tribute” part. Their actually really good for a tribute band. 😆

  • @Shockme17
    @Shockme17 2 роки тому

    I’m speechless

  • @dougsydnes8047
    @dougsydnes8047 5 років тому +1

    Pretty cool!!

  • @abarragan2973
    @abarragan2973 5 років тому +1

    You know this isn’t Kiss...Gene is actually playing the recorded bass line.

  • @timmmyers2653
    @timmmyers2653 3 роки тому

    ...hey look...they have guys that look just like Tommy and Eric! 🤣🤣
    Serious side, well done!!! 👏👏👏👏👍

  • @rodjohnon4950
    @rodjohnon4950 5 років тому +16

    The Paul guys voice is off thru the whole song.

    • @kurtisbanks7655
      @kurtisbanks7655 5 років тому +2

      Kiss is irreplaceable seeing kiss live no one can copy that band

    • @kurtisbanks7655
      @kurtisbanks7655 5 років тому

      And gene Simmons sounds way better then that

    • @SirManfly
      @SirManfly 4 роки тому

      @Madison williams nope they didn't, they actually sounded pretty damn good !!

    • @jeffhodge7272
      @jeffhodge7272 4 роки тому

      Nobody can sing like Paul did in the good ole days.
      His voice is shot now.
      This guys not horrible.

  • @allans7281
    @allans7281 2 роки тому

    Kiss in their 20s from the 70s -priceless!! Visually they get five out of five.

    • @martinpatrick1746
      @martinpatrick1746 2 роки тому

      When the members of the original band all fresh faced 20 yr old guys from new York man this brings back memories for me.

    • @martinpatrick1746
      @martinpatrick1746 2 роки тому

      Someone should come up with a stage show...taking fans through the early days of the band the various verisons of the band right up to the present day.

  • @kellyshenkerguitarlessons
    @kellyshenkerguitarlessons 3 роки тому

    ❤️

  • @scottarivett496
    @scottarivett496 2 роки тому

    Finally a KISS where Paul is the better guitar player

  • @viyzo1183
    @viyzo1183 5 років тому +2

    Something isn’t right with Paul’s voice
    (Also I do know this is a tribute band, gotta clarify that for some people)

  • @vintagekodachromeslidesllc
    @vintagekodachromeslidesllc 4 роки тому +1

    The only thing missing is the energy KISS has when they play...These guys are good Just missing that UMPH!

    • @MetalKReactions
      @MetalKReactions  4 роки тому +1

      I have to agree with you there...I will go see them again since they have changed to the Dynasty era costumes and see if the energy is picked up a little bit more.

    • @TheJinxGaming
      @TheJinxGaming 2 роки тому

      They are older they arent able to move like kiss did

  • @rshowers7590
    @rshowers7590 8 місяців тому

    No backing tracks makes this too fake. Thumbs up for actually playing live!

  • @thefonzkiss
    @thefonzkiss 4 роки тому +2

    3:10 put some energy into it Gene jeezus. And you’re also playing it wrong. It’s on the A string only.

  • @shotgunsnare
    @shotgunsnare Рік тому

    I'm not to keen on any tribute bands most aren't very good totally unchained the van halen tribute is pretty damn good ,these guys have put in the time and effort on costumes and rehearsal , paul in his prime impossible to mimic - if this guy could get Paul's voice dialed in a little better they could really pretty much take over for kiss

  • @richardlawson6787
    @richardlawson6787 6 років тому +5

    ace looks just like tommy thayer...could be him

  • @reubensane5539
    @reubensane5539 2 роки тому +1

    Great production but no one sounds like Paul to me ,including Paul nowadays lol
    But they look good .

    • @MetalKReactions
      @MetalKReactions  2 роки тому +1

      I went to see them again this year, check out my new videos. different Gene and different Ace.

  • @thefonzkiss
    @thefonzkiss 4 роки тому +1

    The Paul needs to stop doing that stupid palm muted thing during the interlude that the real Paul has been doing on the EOTR tour but never used to do.

  • @1979GenXdude
    @1979GenXdude 4 роки тому +2

    Looks are great. Guitars sound thin. Bass sounds like Gene.

  • @tomwaldo9556
    @tomwaldo9556 5 років тому +1

    I would rather see this tribute band than the one with gene and Paul in it.

  • @vaekkriinhart4347
    @vaekkriinhart4347 2 роки тому

    wow

  • @truebuldog
    @truebuldog 5 років тому +12

    The Paul is awful. Very disappointed. Had to turn off.

    • @celluloidtherapy5003
      @celluloidtherapy5003 5 років тому +1

      Paul is fine. He might be having a rough night vocally. But he is really incredible when he is on...

    • @tylerthomas1864
      @tylerthomas1864 5 років тому +3

      I know, its almost like everyone can't sound exactly like Paul Stanley or something

    • @MartinDrye
      @MartinDrye 5 років тому

      Yeah, Paul was the weakest link but still good

  • @xtian9072
    @xtian9072 3 роки тому

    I saw this posted on Fb Helix HX stomp group. Is it true both guitars used HX stomp (Placaster) hook to return fx loop of Marshall amp?

  • @studlygrish
    @studlygrish 2 роки тому +2

    Saw them last night 12/31/21 They were very impressive.I will see them again!

  • @boduke2522
    @boduke2522 4 роки тому

    i like it even thou alittle off better than what i can do

  • @ardavansarraf2973
    @ardavansarraf2973 3 роки тому +1

    Vocals need a lot of work, they look great and move good. Those vocals are important and are a huge task for anyone, Paul Stanley had a GREAT voice. Not easy to sing KISS. Maybe stick to the record version vocals, less LIVE vocal stylings, stay away from that stuff. Need a sound man who knows when to bring up guitars and can put microphones at an even level, so everyone is heard.
    Props for a great effort, my comments and critiques are by no way an attempt at being mean. I know it’s a hard gig, trust me. Rock on 🤘😎👍

    • @JonRoy777
      @JonRoy777 2 роки тому

      he's horribly off key

  • @babybrainjohnson
    @babybrainjohnson 6 років тому +1

    OMG WAS THIS ON MARCH 17 BECAUSE I WAS THERE PLUS I DID NOT KNOW SOMEONE POSTED THIS ON UA-cam

  • @markusaurelius777
    @markusaurelius777 4 роки тому +2

    3:20
    OOPS lol

  • @Cfolger
    @Cfolger 2 роки тому

    Man these guys look just like 77 kiss

  • @jetcitysinatra7300
    @jetcitysinatra7300 4 роки тому

    Demon there is no reason to pump your fist because your drummer can keep time properly. That is the reason Gene did that was to keep peter on time. Ace did his thing as so did Paul to help Peter stay on rhythm.

  • @hepzeth
    @hepzeth 5 років тому +8

    at 3:30 Gene needs a bra!!

  • @ernielanham558
    @ernielanham558 5 років тому +2

    They look great... Great stage. I've seen ALOT worse. Good job guys

  • @ROCKnROLL1406
    @ROCKnROLL1406 6 років тому

    Hope they are more active. They move like Actual KISS, guys in their 60s...

    • @jerseysucks6158
      @jerseysucks6158 5 років тому

      It's not easy moving in those boots. Why don't you try?

    • @lmfs4032
      @lmfs4032 5 років тому

      Jersey Sucks it’s pretty easy once you get used to it.

  • @bryanthompson2864
    @bryanthompson2864 4 роки тому +1

    Damn. This is the first dude that looks like Paul. But. He dont have the voice. Ace looks dead on also. Good Gene 2020. Fat

  • @crisrose521
    @crisrose521 Рік тому +1

    It’s hard to be ACE because if you’re under 6’2” and weigh over 140lbs you look too big lol

  • @MegaTroyhamilton
    @MegaTroyhamilton 4 роки тому +2

    Get a better paul

  • @tripod4482
    @tripod4482 5 років тому +4

    Better than the real thing.