1990 MOUNT ELBRUS TRAGEDY: What Really Happened?
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2023
- In 1990, a well-trained group of athletes lost their lives on one of the highest mountains in the world: Mount Elbrus. There were some very chilling and inexplicable details to this story such as blood inside the tent and a hair found in the stomach of one of the team members and whatever happened is still a mystery.
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Thank you for watching! What do you guys think really happened with this group?
Here's another story that recently occurred on Elbrus: ua-cam.com/video/ef0yozzcovw/v-deo.html
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No idea. Very sad situation, sad ending.
This is something I haven't heard of yet. Nice find and great video! 👍
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Obviously, it was a matter of pride over practicality. If he'd asked for help, they'dve lived. But Levin's arrogance rightfully led to his demise.
Every time I hear a story where people are surprised that expert divers/climbers died, I want to remind them that just because someone has done something before doesn't make it any less risky. In fact experts are likely to become overconfident the more "experience" they get. This leads to negligence and laxness for their own safety.
Example: Drivers can have years of experience driving without a car accident. They may have broken rules of the road, texted and driven, etc. without incident during that time, but it isn't because of their experience driving, but luck, and the awareness of other drivers on the road. It takes just one moment where their negligence can cause them to cause a collision, killing or grievously injuring themselves or other people on the road.
We need to acknowledge EXPERT doesn't mean SAFE.
Amen! Over confident is the perfect way to describe someone who considers themselves the best of the best!! That kind of thinking is a sure way to lose your life 😢
There's also just the fact that the more often you have done something the odds go up numerically for you encountering a dangerous event.
@@Sunshine-ls6tf
You seem insecure and jealous
Also people are more likely to get in a wreck near home since they’re more on autopilot
@@Camibug
you just made that up
There is absolutely NOTHING strange about finding undressed frozen climbers: in the final stage of hypothermia, people feel extremely hot and begin undressing. That's bc the body gives up trying to preserve heat for the internal organs, and redirects it to the skin.
I think it is because of the brain getting swollen due to cerebral edema, they don't think straight anymore, they get crazy, otherwise there is no other explanation
This paradoxical undressing does not happen in the majority of hypothermia deaths. At most, 25% of hypothermia victims remove clothing. If you have a group of people suffering from hypothermia who all exhibit this behavior then, statistically speaking, that is quite odd
@@jakewinnit depends on the temperature you freeze to death in, if its extremely cold your nerves in your skin dying causes pain like getting burned
@@K2ELP That could be true, I only know that paradoxical undressing does not occur in the majority of hypothermia cases.
Most likely the hands would be frozen solid at that stage. Undressing would be impossible
The fact that they were found half naked screams severe hypothermia. Paradoxically if you're too hypothermic it actually feels burningly hot, and so people will strip off layers thinking they need to cool off.
Do people starts sweating too?
Small correction. Using a stove in a confined space would likely create dangerous levels of carbon monoxide. Carbon dioxide can also be a risk in places with poor air circulation, such as caves, but carbon monoxide is typically associated with burning a fuel source in this type of situation.
In addition, carbon monoxide irreversibly binds to the heme in red blood cells, making them unable to transport the oxygen that is already in low supply, adding to the hypoxia and mountain sickness
I was literally just fact checking myself when I was considering carbon monoxide and my first check was butane, then propane - in an oxygen plentiful environment it forms carbon dioxide; as the oxygen availability decreases it starts to produce carbon monoxide instead. Which seems like... burning a primus stove for several days is going to go right along that curve.
Isobutane is not as clearly defined without deep diving on research papers apparently.
(Reference: Primus brand as a baseline uses a mixture of butane, propane, and isobutane, with percentages varying based on season)
Kerosene on the other hand produces CO, CO2, Sulfur dioxide, nitrogen dioxide, and more. Nastyyy.
And carbon monoxide produces hallucinations and erratic behavior. If you think your house is haunted, check for carbon monoxide. There are no such things as ghosts - just invisible odorless gases XD
@@dootchanNow I know why I'm crazy. My parents used a Kerosene lamp to burn some sort of medicine when we were sick as babies. Nasty...😂🤣😅
I work rough terrain SAR and disaster relief (I'm the team medic) and we've pulled out many bodies from asphyxiation/fumes/etc from people just not understanding how to properly use or desperation to survive. We had someone in a winter tent (well sealed) run a camp stove to keep warm not only did it trap fumes / gasses but the roof heated up not quite enough to catch fire but enough to begin breaking down releasing, mixing and creating dangerous chemicals.
I guess one small mercy for the families is that they frequently go easily, not always though.
@@ladyweasellou3367 Yeah, I remember something similar back when my grandfather was Chief of the local Fire Department - whenever there was a bad enough winter storm to knock out the grid, a lot of people who didn't have a generator or fireplace/woodstove would try to use a camping stove indoors, and it would often wipe out entire families. It happened every couple of years.
Tbh, even in the Soviet Union, I think Occam’s Razor stands… overconfidence, pride, and poor conditions seem like much stronger factors than unspecified outside interference. Honestly, my main worry is that the more often stories of government interference (or worse, the paranormal) causing tragedies like this are told, the likelier it becomes that those who absorb them will ignore the basic factors of survival….
That's Darwinism taking effect... the strong survive
Very well said. They miss the first signs of altitude sickness. So sad.
I don't think so. I think that if you can't work out what's going on then you don't have enough data to make a conclusion and you need more data. You don't just pick the best wrong option.
If you’re knowledgeable in mountaineering (particularly mountaineering disasters) then you’d know baseless claims that “the evil Soviets killed them” is just intellectually lazy western propaganda. The three things you mentioned are practically always the reasons for disasters, often times combined with freak weather. It’s important to remain grounded to reality when it comes to analyzing tragedies and not let our imaginations run wild with speculation.
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I love the use of these animations. Obviously there is no footage. But most channels would just show the same pictures over and over. Great idea amd great video.
No one CONQUERS a mountain, it's always going to win, but you can climb them.
BEST!
You have to be a world class circus clown if you think you “conquered” a mountain simply because you reached it’s summit and descended safely.
Yes please stop with the bad templates of the language.
It simply corrupts the thinking and perception.
When I lived in Japan I climbed Mount Fuji, which is the highest mountain in Japan but tiny compared to the world’s big summits ; some young American women I worked with - sisters much younger and fitter than me - had tried to climb it a few weeks before I did and had to stop halfway and go back because of altitude sickness. Both of them were sick but one was so sick she was vomiting and fainting. It’s a very common problem; some people’s bodies just can’t cope with high altitudes, and it has nothing to do with how young, healthy, and fit they are. I found the climb difficult and exhausting but I never felt sick. Someone told me later that it might have something to do with my having grown up in Saskatchewan, and living there most of my adult life. It’s very high altitude, even though the most populated parts of it ( including where I lived)are flat prairie. High altitude tolerance is probably a combination of genes and body conditioning. Your body adapts to certain environmental conditions often without you being aware of it.
You're right about altitude sickness. They were probably from a US state that's in lower proximity to sea level. Much like people from Louisiana compared to people from Colorado. Vastly different altitudes. Even someone in top physical condition has a level of altitude their body isn't prepared to move past.
It has to do with acclimation. Your body begins to produce more red blood cells and overall compensate better with gradual ascents. The issue is, many people ignore this sorely. You really shouldn’t gain more than 1k-2k feet max per day
I think the answer is the simplest one. Levin was overconfident, and that one day delay in calling for a rescue was enough time for things to turn south. Especially when trapped in a wet, cold cave while a stove was running and filling the small space with carbon monoxide. While the carbon monoxide may not have immediately killed them (thanks to eventually digging a hole in the snow trapping them, thus ventilating the cave), the effects of carbon monoxide poisoning were already in motion. Between that, mountain sickness, and hypothermia, you have the perfect recipe for a group of ill people acting irrationally and nonsensical.
As far as the excess supply of hooks, if they were planning to barter or trade with them, they were probably overly optimistic in how much they could trade.
Overall, hubris and the carbon monoxide poisoning + hypothermia + altitude sickness make the most sense.
Agreed, this seems to make the most sense!
Best overall explanation. I don't think anything mysterious caused the demise of those climbers.
I doubt altitude sickness was a problem. They had been at that altitude or close to it for several days, so they were acclimated. And it’s not high enough to kill people.
I think the answer is Mother Nature constantly trying to kill us, and stepping away from society and infrastructure for a minute gives her opportunity. Not saying not to, just saying of course it’s risky. There’s no special reason you can die. Anyone, humble or not, can die.
I climbed mt elbrus when I was 15. 2006.
The airport confiscated all our propane equipment so when we got to the village at the base of the mountain a boy offered to find us some fuel. he returned with siphoned gasoline. we thought it was pretty funny.
took a rickety ski lift of pure terror to a high altitude, cant remember the altitude but its just a day hike basically to the summit. ski lift was a single seat type with no safety bar and looked to be very old covered in rust. we spent the night up there, we were training for the other six world summits. next day, no food because no propane. we had no energy and didnt make it to the summit. I decided to head back down by myself early. We had figured out a long time ago therma-rests could be used as sleds so i brought mine with me. I sled down thousands of feet. I kept having to throw myself off because the speed would get too great.
thats my mt. elbrus experience.
Ski lift...I woulda gone "nope!"
Maybe cancel the hike if you have no gass. People wonder why people die on mountains. Look at this idiot. We have no gass , we cannot eat. No problem, let's try and reach the summit anyways. It is true. 50% of the world's population are indeed retarded
You had more sense than most 🙏🏻
snow cave methods really need to be reviewed and practiced. a group of snow boarders died In Australia. not near the death zone.. just sealed in and all fell asleep for ever
Austria?
@@Carlton_Wilson Australia in 1999 -- men in their 20s -- dug a snow cave and suffocated in it. Mount Kosciuszko National Park.
The body heat causes the snow cave to deteriorate. The dripping of water causes a puddle to form in the middle of the snow cave floor. The middle of the snow cave should be higher than the rest of the snow cave floor so that the water flows to the edge of the snow cave. Experts recommend that a trench be made, if possible, around the edge of the snow cave to drain the water. The three found outside the cave probably could not fit through the entrance of the snow cave. @@avicennitegh1377
Need ventilation otherwise you're burying yourself alive. Nasty way to go.
You’d be surprised at what can go through someone’s mind with Mountain Sickness. I think pretty much all of this could be explained by Mountain Sickness and carbon dioxide in the cave. And all because he didn’t convey the amount of trouble they were in.
as the stove produced more carbon dioxide and oxygen availability decreased, it would have begun burning less efficiently and producing carbon monoxide instead of dioxide. carbon monoxide will kill you pretty well... but before it does it'll cause confusion, disorientation, vomiting (with blood? maybe that was from eating all that hair?), and even hallucinations. They probably went a little mad from it. from there, some exited the cave and sounds like some paradoxical undressing.
Ignoring the excess of ice screws, everything seems to be a classic case of hypothermia, the haphazard stripping of clothes, delirium.
When the body gets that cold its not uncommon to hallucinate, and on top of that the body feels hot for some reason and people begin to make frantic attempts to “cool down”
By then almost no one has the sense to be able to snap out of it and get their clothes back on. Unless they somehow hallucinate their way into doing it, which has happened before a few times.
The blood was very clearly caused by the biting attack by an obviously hallucinating person.
All the physical fitness in the world wont save you from a 28c core temp.
so the reason people feel warm during hypothermia is because of a survival mechanism called “peripheral vasoconstriction.” it’s where blood begins to flow to vital organs such as the heart to keep you warmer and alive longer but it reduces blood to your less vital parts like fingers and ears.
I got hypothermia once nothing like S bad as this but beginning stages and I took my jacket off but I was checking my arms were still there as I was worried they had dropped off or something weird I couldn’t hold my ski poles but with guidance of the others did get to the next cafe and warmed up quite quick but enough experience to see how it happens. It was my own fault as I knew I was I’ll prepared when the weather turned from super sunny to cold side of the mountain and blizzard but didn’t want fo ski back on my own as had no idea how to read maps and was with ppl with far far more experience than me and didn’t want to hold them up.
Yip
It’s crazy while ascending, being told to keep an eye out for dead bodies. As I continue to learn anything and everything from the cold it is to keep moving, even if you have to crawl, MOVE. Also, I have noted almost every snow cave created will eventually CAVE IN SOONER THAN LATER from the warmth and carbon monoxide generated inside slowly depleting ALL oxygen. I dislike how Leven made multiple bad choices due to his pride and ego, leading to only 2 men surviving this ordeal. . So so disheartening. A man’s down fall is usually, himself.
Oh OK so nature is irrelevant?
I’ve read that Mount Everest is littered with permafrozen dead bodies of climbers who didn’t make it. Sometimes they’re buried under snow but often the wind uncovers them so climbers trying to get to the summit see them. Can’t imagine how horrible that must be.
@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci you can see those bodies on plenty of UA-cam videos actually.. quite disturbing. But "fascinating" how easy ego kills and people don't learn
It's not difficult to make a snow cave that provides protection from the wind and fresh air. The videos are on youtube. A couple of tools are necessary though. I have to laugh at the constant repetition of people saying they died due to "pride" when it was merely their lack of experience in dealing with difficult conditions. I'm not sure why the general public is constantly confusing those two things.
I believe this mostly pride and fear of failure. I have witness altitude sickness. I i know that even the descent of a few hundred feet can lesson or alleviate the symptoms. And in moderate weather, they should have chanced the descended and made a new snow shelter. Also, ive have been taught if just an acclimation hike, you ALWAYS be prepared to spend the night.
Carbon monoxide poisoning and hypoxia cause hallucinations. It is entirely possible that the strange behaviour such as eating hair and any possible violence is down to that. I don't think anything mysterious happened, but it is certainly tragic.
Based on the fact that they were missing clothes and boots, immediately suggests hypothermia as the most obvious cause of death.
People suffering Hypothermia are typically found this way, as signals to/from your brain are so degraded that you begin to feel overheated, thereby believing the opposite to be true.
Their degraded mental state (from either Hypothermia or Carbon Monoxide Poisoning) would also explain many of the other oddities, such as the hair eating and so forth.
Serious question. If you are fully aware beforehand about the dangers of hypothermia and the desire to pull off your clothes, is there a way that your brain can fight it and keep your clothes on ? Like, even if you feel like you’re burning alive, is there a way to essentially ignore those compulsive acts? I’ve never experienced it, so I’m curious if there is a way to keep yourself alive (at least for a bit) by completely ignore your feeling that you’re entirely on fire.
The quality of your videos consistently goes up with every upload. I love the new animations, and your editing gets better and better. Great video!
I’m a major fan of your longer hour long content Archie. Been a fan since Day 1. You’ve came a long way, keep going and thank you for sharing.
One discrepancy. Did the snow cave occur at 4200 meters (or roughly 13k feet)? That seems low to experience hardcore HAPE or HACE. The peak of Elbrus is definitely in the lower range for potential altitude sickness at 18.5k feet. To offer context Everest base camp is at 17.5k feet. That’s base camp. Just above the final village. I’ve trekked at 12,000 feet and yes there was a sense of short breathing and headache but we were nowhere near altitude sickness. This is an extremely important fact pertaining to this case. If they were at 13,000 feet it’s hard to lend much credence to altitude sickness (especially group symptoms) But if they were upwards of 15.5k -16k then altitude sickness becomes more likely. Great video 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Very well done video, I love the new animation style! 👍
Just one thing worth mentioning: paradoxical undressing, sometimes followed by terminal burrowing, is a common behaviour among victims of severe hypothermia. That particular circumstance of those poor men's demise is, on its own, not unusual.
Edited to fix a grammar mistake.
I was thinking the same thing
@@StAlphonsusHasAPosse I was thinking the same about Dyatlov Pass.
Hypothermia.
@@ludokatolonc I agree
The half naked ones can probably be explained by paradoxical undressing. Its still not fully understood I think but it's basically when the body gets cold enough,like when you're suffering hypothermia, it starts redirecting all the body heat to your internal organs. All the heat in one place makes you actually start to feel warm. Combine this with the delirium that comes with hypothermia and people will start stripping off their clothes because they think they're too hot
Yes yes, I've read somewhere that it's because the body will try to keep pumping blood to the organs but after a long enough period of experiencing hypothermia the blood vessels and muscles around them just get fatigued and give up on pumping blood to organs and the blood just goes out to the muscles, which till that point was freezing. And when the blood gets in contact with the freezing muscles people feel like burning. I think this is the explanation, but I might be wrong in the details, I'm open for corrections.
So they get hot flashes ?
12:05 'Paradoxical undressing' is not at all uncommon.
15:00 18,000 isn't enough to start killing you, if you get HAPE or HACE, then yes, but altitude has to be like 25,000+ for the body to slowly die.
The problem with experts is that sometimes they become overconfident. They've done this before, it's no big deal, etc... until something happens. I can't tell you how many times I hear about "experts" coming to grief - expert woodsmen disappearing from deep forests, expert mountaineers dying on the mountain, and so on.
I think they were victims of altitude sickness. People who are affected will likely be irrational and behave in strange, even violent, ways. Given that the team leader was so experienced, I feel that he would have been able to save his team had he made the best of any opportunity to go down the mountain rather than staying put. In the end, it's impossible to know exactly what happened because the survivors would have likely been suffering from hypoxia as well as hypothermia making their recollections inaccurate. I don't believe there was any government conspiracy or paranormal incident in this case. They were caught unprepared and they made mistakes. RIP to all those who died.
I think you are not correct. They had been at high altitude about 4000 m for several days, and they weren’t even 1000 m higher, altitude sickness was not the main problem and probably not a problem at all. Carbon monoxide was probably the main problem besides Levin was an idiot, Horrible leader
Love your videos. Very well done. Thank you.
Pride is a covert and an overt enemy. It is deadly in situations like this. If I were to go into the mountains and encounter the weather that they encountered, I would probably return to the shelter or make a snow cave for one night and one night only. Rescue equipment like radios will be working fine. A rescue team on standby.
But what 13,000 not super high for all this ridiculous bad choices idk you are definitely right overconfident people find out their no match for the gears that grind out fate
Actually stripping clothes off is quite common in severe cases of hypothermia as the brain is shutting down.
Yes, I remember when a friend on a summer camping trip in Canada (it can still get wicked cold at night in the summer) was shivering violently and her teeth were chattering; I kept trying to wrap a blanket around her but she irritably pushed it away, insisting she wasn’t cold. We finally managed to convince her she wasn’t in good shape and she let us wrap her up and get her close to the fire until she warmed up. It was a frightening reminder of how quickly hypothermia can set in and how it affects cognitive functioning. If she’d been alone I’m convinced she wouldn’t have made it.
I loved your video. I'm always looking for strange and mysterious happenings. Thanks for sharing.
My unprofessional guess on the ice screws is that they were trying to get more experience with which ones worked best in which situations, since this trip was said to be warm up for a sort of rescue mission.
Not a climber, but I like your point. Especially as this was just a one-day hike, something they expected would just be a short, routine thing.
Great video, one of those sad tradegies to be mulled over for even more years as to why and how. Thanks for your work, really well done.
PRIDE’S a killer thing. BEEN proven for eons. I immediately thought (with the EXCELLENT graphics & editing) that the ‘snowcave’ was HUGE! A fantastic recreation..thanks!
I always love the amount of detail you put into your mountaineering stories- particularly the Russian ones as they aren't covered by many people.
Sounds like a fun camping trip.
So glad I found your excellent channel - just subscribed!
How could they tell beyond a doubt that the radio found was broken on purpose???
That's the weirdest pronunciation of "banal" I have ever heard. Should be "ban-aal".
This was really interesting ….thank you!
Mountain sickness and poisoning air makes you do crazy stuff, bad combo.
Missing clothes in a hypothermia situation is not weird. I’m not sure why narrators on YT keep claiming it’s so bizarre and mysterious. It’s not. We know why it happens, and it happens often in situations like this.
Also- any community where asking for help is considered a slight on your reputation, is not a community I want to be in. Prime example? This video here. People DIED due to their own pride and due to the community’s reputation for its response to asking for help. This is a dangerous hobby, one where asking for help when it’s needed should be ENCOURAGED, not discouraged.
Very well done video😊
Even though mankind can split the atom, send probes out of our solar system and make our genome...we are still at the mercy of the elements.
Although my guess is hypothermia and carbon monoxide poisoning probably sealed their fate.
Yeah we can split the atom, but we can get a handle on our egos and can’t improve our common sense. Lol
One keyword: b.i.o.l.o.g y
You may get deadly rampant diseases, holding the best smartphone in your hand but eating junk food since your birth (and as a foetus too) : your liver quits the service
Your examples were technical not biological.. but in resuscitation in medicine they have done astounding progress. They cannot compensate however for the widespread ignorance and negligence of the biological factors.
People can feel burning hot in the late stages of freezing, especially when other detrimental factors like exhaustion and hypoxia are added. This is not the only deadly accident when people who were actually freezing to death were throwing away their clothing and footwear that suddenly felt unbearably hot.
Paradoxical undressing. Hypothermia.
I like your new animation style . It looks very good. Are you using a particular software?
I think the cramped conditions of the snow cave with a small stove burning with so many people trapped in there wasn't helping the situation. It could have easily been a large cabin with a small gas burner.. I know from experience that it's not healthy at sea level . The conditions they had were exasperated by the number of people in the cramped space.. any one factor can kill there were many leading to low oxygen levels mountain sickness and insanity not uncommon.
I tend to believe that most of the unexplained things that happen in these stories are due to the people losing their minds and doing crazy things. Then people analyze the events and try to make sense of things done by people who were acting completely irrationally.
30 M per second… Thats some intergalactic level wind right there 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Awesome vids always Archie!
thanks!
@@ArchiesArchive You said hyperthermia in the video, that is wrong, it's hypothermia, please learn the difference.
@kristinehayes4885 everything must be so perfect for you I guess.
Complacency. Just because you've done something a hundred times with no ill consequences doesn't mean those consequences won't ever happen. My late grandfather was a woodworker for most of his life with no accidents. One day without thinking he tried fixing a jammed saw blade without turning off the power to it. He lost his pinky, half of his ring finger and the top of his middle finger on his right hand.
Always be prepared for any given circumstance and lose the "it'll never happen to me" mentality. I'm not saying to live in fear all your life but to be mindful.
Wow... men and their damn egos.
Levin’s pride was as deadly as the weather.
So sad, thx
Have you done Pobeda'55 disaster? This one reminds me of it. Or Pobeda in general, it's almost as deadly as 8thousenders.
What’s even the point? “Hey we could totally die, miserably, desperately clinging to life, starving to the point of cannibalization, become hypothermic and undress and die naked as well as humiliated.. welp, lets go!” Why?
It would fill with carbon monoxide... not carbon dioxide
I have a feeling you meant to say the stove was giving off carbon monoxide (CO), not carbon dioxide(CO2). Great video though.
Burning propane emits water vapour and carbon dioxide, not carbon monoxide.
@@imacactus2nevertheless this might happen if the burning process is not fully completed.. too little O2 supply.
.. some more documentation needed in the situations when CO is released
The reason for my answer is that CO poisoning because of gas heating, stove etc is not rare. It happens.
(A case in italy by taking a hot shower.. that was the defect device heating the water by burning gas. Visual cortex destroyed. She survived, her husband found her in time)
And a gas, releasing CO in a normal burning process will never be sold as safe. It will be labeled as a hazardous product..
Omg.... Leave one or two people with those who are in bad shape and the rest of you go get help, the entire team..... They were asked to be rescuers if something happened, who tf did they turn down? Yeah yeah, i get it, you work with what you have.
One of the last stages of freezing to death causes one to perceive they are overheating.
Ego and male pride killed these men rather than anything mysterious
Pride killed them. It had nothing to do with being male. If you follow this channel there are plenty of stories of women losing their lives for the same reason. People want to overcome obstacles no matter the cost.
I've not ever heard of this story..🤔
It's quite an interesting tale,though. It's got some very odd details,to be sure.
Classic case of hypothermia/altitude sickness and their effects.
Lucky for me i don't have these problems since I don't climb. But after watching these videos seems sensible to carry supplemental oxygen in case things go wrong.
Unfortunately bringing supplemental oxygen can weigh you down significantly especially if you’re bringing more than one tank. Even one tank, climbers may choose to forego in place of other, more important supplies such as food water etc.
Great documentary to watch and I feel sorry for these souls who lost their life, I don't blame anyone for passion to climb up mountains and doing risky actions. I also grew up in a mountainous place in Southern part of Caucasus and beautiful scenery of mountains always attracted me as a child and even time to time I climbed lower ones. Sorry for my bad English and I'm still learning English, it would be great to communicate with a native speaker to improve it, if anyone is interested in talking to a person who's from completely other culture and of course eager to speak) can reply this comment
I think it was just human error combined with bad decisions, stubbornness, Weather and staying out too long was the cause. Those mountains will kill you.
What i think happens goes as follows:
Clinber 1: "We need to call for help. The situation is dire."
Climber 2: "Relax. Everything is under control."
Climber 1: "For christ sakes, Vlad is eating hair. This isnt just a SNAFU!"
Vlad: "Hey! Dont judge me. When i was a child and dreamed of being a climber i never saw my life turning out like this but im making the best of it."
This was simply the result of overconfidence, pride, and hypothermia. Paradoxical undressing is a well documented effect of hypothermia.
Hey you had me at blood ❤
Couple of families climbed Ben Nevis when I was 10. We climbed down and everyone was flat-out on their backs. I was playing football with other kids on campsite... that's when we discovered I have mad ADHD. Keeps me young as most think I'm early 30s. Almost 44 now
That's one crazy story.
Nicely done! By the way, do you have the records of those 2 Japanese men's names?
Hello. Can you spell the first and last name of the group leader or one of the other group members? This is an interesting case and I’m trying to find more info by searching the name “Levin”, but I can’t find anything.
Probably a fight over telling base camp the truth combined with moutain sickness and hypothermia
Hypoxia makes people engage in irrational, unpredictable behavior as it sets in.
That's huge. I've been to the top of High Tatras. It's half that size. I started and it was a warm 28 degrees. But at the top, all I could see was white, with hail battering me. And that's only half of this place
It makes it difficult to draw any sort of a firm conclusion when descriptions of how long somebody has been somewhere it's referred to as a few days. Please if you can be more specific. What's up 2, Three, 4 or more days. A few days is very subjective.
Eight people in a small snow cave are also going to exhale a lot of CO2 over time. That CO2 could significantly impair thought processes.
I’ve always loved mountaineering stories but it’s much nicer when we have a happy ending
General knowledge of mountains and general knowledge of survival. Everybody gets hurt like that, all over the world. We hear from Americans that someone was an experienced hunter, a hiker, an outdoorsman and that person is missing. That's all true, but the fact is they've never been in extreme situation. And extreme situation is a broad term. In ordinary, harmless, picnic hikes, tensions rise if the guide looks at the map, the group catches the rain, people get bored with walking. And that is why the guide must put everyone in place and be aware of his abilities and incompetence. Help was called in here too late and I think not going to Shelter 11 is a bad decision. The group simply wasn't up to the situation.
Paradoxical undressing explains why they were found in different states of undress. And, carbon monoxide poisoning could explain the strange behaviours.
Occam's razor suggests it's hubris.
'inexplicable' is not a word
This sounds eerily similar to the Dyatlov Pass incident, in which nine Russian hikers died in the Urals in Siberia in 1959. There was evidence of very irrational behaviour before death there, too. Actually a legend grew out of that incident, that they had been ambushed and killed by a group of the Russian version of the “Yeti”.
Knowing u need help but your ego gets in the way would have probably saved lives sad
In the final stages of freezing to death you get hot and take your clothes off
I get SO frustrated when people with removed clothing who died from hypothermia is strange as it SO SIMPLY EXPLAINED: it’s called paradoxical undressing. When dying of hypothermia the body causes the blood vessels to surge with blood towards the surface of the skin so that they suddenly feel very hot & begin to undress, which they don’t consider the absurdity of as they’re so disoriented. People dying from hypothermia also tend to attempt to get into small tight spaces as it seems to something biological that people & animals do to find warmth.
HEY MAN HEY MAN, I WANT TO CORRECT YOU WITH SOMETHING I WANT TO HELP YOU OUT REAL QUICK, Great video BTW I don't know anything about mountain climbing.
but I did go out with a Russian girl from Abkhozia... It's actually pronounced "A-Poz-e-a.... like Apozia!
promise. if I learned anything besides Russian, I learned about their beautiful country that I actually got to visit right next to in Sochi.
I also took an excursion to the caucus mountains and they were beautiful. It was an awesome climb that I used all fours on but a Russian grandmother with a kid around her shoulders walked straight up lol they had a thing with bees, b nectar be milk which I never even heard of bee honey of all sorts, beautiful stuff the caucuses are
It could have been several things at once or in succession. Carbon dioxide ect. To hypothermia and mountain sickness.
Comprehensive video.. its OK to be not OK ...MEN 🙏
Pride has one hell of a body count 😕
What kind of hair was it? I mean pants unbuttoned and pulled down?
it is natural tragedy totally ,, and the walky talky fell and was smashed, it is ridiculous so many people have insane theories they tried be a very careful group
1:44 if it's cyclical,then it's predictable, literally what the term means.
Egos, that’s usually what leads to this.
Wouldn’t they know how dangerous stoves are in confined spaces?
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They didnt have the great snow suits that are available now. Soooo cold!😢
I'll just stay home.
Woo never this early!
Very much sounds like a case of paradoxical undressing. It’s a known symptom of hypothermia.