Shadow of Death
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- The name of a location with an unknown origin for why!
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My Dad used to fish that section of Shade Creek from where it ended into the Bkacklog creek to the bridge on RT 35 for many many years. Often times I'd go with him when I was younger. I doubt there is any foot of the stream he had not walked in. I always remembered the sign but I never got a bad feeling in that area.
Never had the bad feeling and have fished it as well. BUT... there have been times while I was exploring the hills that things seemed "off".
This was my playground and safe place as a child. My Grandparents used to own the house that it seen for just a blip. The green place was a grist mill then a bait shop for my knowledge. But Boulder hoping in that creek was always an adventure. It's probably what led to my love of steep hikes and big rocks. It's certainly an ethereal place . I'd rather be in deaths shadow than part of. Never knew that sign was there until >10 years ago... We lived in Horse Valley. Just North of Letterkenny Army Depot. Their were stories of horses kept there for Northern Calvary in Civil War. Tunnels from the house to the woodshed. And mountains. Continue East is Bear Valley and ethereal again is the closest I can find reasonably. If you find the time we should talk sometime if your interested. Certainly a fellow traveler. I thoroughly appreciate your videos and willingness. Be vigilant. Little by little acquirerth much. Oh and a potential reference I found to this location. I THINK, was in an account of the returning parties from the Clinton-Sullivan Campaign...
That valley is pretty much unchanged... maybe a little wider on the road, but that is it.
I grew up in Shade Gap and have a binded book handed down to me , I don't remember the title off hand but it said in their that it was named " The shadow of death" because of the Indian ambushes on the new settlers. Also said that the Indian tribe that occupied the area wouldn't travel alone there because " the sun never touched the ground". I'll look it up when I get back home to Shade Gap and share it thank you for your video.
That is one of the common stories. Similar sentiment was also written by Captain Jack Armstrong (namesake of all the mountains, valley's and passes called by his name 'Jack')
Scott, down in Lancaster county, in Conoy Township, where Peter's Road used to be. There are a few native sites in the area, but I think also a relic of an older time. What I mean from that is, the Conoy Creek is labeled as if it were a road. You can see this on Google maps as well. It appears a road travels north along the path of the creek, however, all there is is brush along that side of the creek, with a few places that appear to have been leveled at one time. Not only is there an artifact on Google, but at the bridge the main road crosses over the creeks green road sign labeled "Conoy Cr" is there. It resembles a street name sign. I've wondered if this is because small rivers and creeks were once labeled as thorough ways, and that area in particular was on that had high use. Let me know what you think.
Send me an email or a direct message on facebook. I am curious to what you are seeing (I just spent 20 mins on Google Earth looking for what you are describing and am not seeing it).
Excellent story.
Glad you enjoyed it!
While you are in the huntingdon county count areas. You may want to check out the history of the Erie Canal that ran through these areas. Very interesting! Especially the Newton-Hamilton area just to the east of the huntingdon county border in mifflin county.
I will be hitting the canals in all due time. And am very familiar with Newton-Hamilton (and just slightly further east, the Three Locks). The ODDySEEy HQ is actually IN Huntingdon County ;)
I always loved to read the blue historical markers in PA. My favorite 2 are Ft Dewart and Edmunds Swamp in Shade Township, Somerset County. They are near my hometown.
Fr. Dewart... that is a good story with Sir Allen Maclean... I don't know Edmunds (I wonder if that is pioneer Edmund Cartlidge) I will have to look it up :D There was a time when I was a little younger where my intent was to go to every one of these in PA and make a video.
@@ODDySEEy Yes it was Edmund Cartlidge.
I know this area. I met Peggy Ann. And I’m a descendant of the Weiser family.
I have not done a story on Peggy Ann because 1. she is probably tired of it and 2. she is elderly in a home and I feel it would be inappropriate to leverage that. Met her for about 5 mins when she was outside one day (at the home) and she was very chatty. Maybe in a few years I will revisit her story and tell it without all the publicity hype.
I went to Conrad Weiser high school and they didn’t even try to teach us near as much about him
Funny thing when a persons history doesn't match political agendas. Something you will see more and more often in todays day and age.
Enjoyed as usual. 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
A friend shared this with me, as I live just up the mountain from the “Shadow of Death” in Locke’s Valley. We just moved to the area a little over a year ago, so are still learning about our new home. Thank you for the history lesson, it was fascinating!
At this time I have been hitting a LOT of sites in Huntingdon County (why not start in ones own back yard) so feel free to do a catch-up on our oddities.
I am a former employee of the Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission, the partial administers of the Conrad Weiser Homestead in Womelsdorf. My work had nothing to do with history as I was an IT professional. However, I did work with a Fred Weiser, who shared that he was a relative of Conrad Weiser, although I can neither confirm or deny it. That information gave me interest to view this video and learn a little more.
Thanks for sharing!
All Hail the IT guys (see my ODDySEEy Profile to understand why I say that). History comes in a couple of forms and I hate most of them... what I try to do is put a MODERN face back on who we once were. You see, when you think of your parents as kids you imagine something in black and white and wholesome... and the reality is they were JUST LIKE YOU WERE. We as humans have not changed our ways in hundreds of years, but people paint our ancestors as if they were some type of robots or cavemen... but even the cavemen had lives exactly like ours, with less technology and creature comforts...which they didn't need because it is obviously not helping our society very much either.
Wow scott..probably my favorite history lesson so far..I understand *creepy* feeling in that particular area..the terrain is so steep and narrow...the shadow of death absolutely applies to that area..cant wait for next lesson..thanks scott
It is a creepy feel, especially during the middle of the summer. But the calm there, except for the highway, is just crazy.
Fascinating.. without knowing the history it's hard to know why it was named that but one wouldn't necessarily pick that name unless there was a somewhat negative connotation to it, right? In other words it wasn't named Sunny valley haha.. shadow of death is very clear in its unpleasantness but exactly why will always remain a mystery👻
I have a close friend who has been asking me to hit this site since the channel kicked off. Because of the connection and overabundance of references to the Peggy Bradnick event, I have avoided it. So then I decided I was going to get to the bottom of it and was totally blown away by the fact that there was NOTHING... absolutely NOTHING beyond what I have given in the video. I felt that, although it kept with the channel videos, I was going to majorly let my friend down... just to have him comment as you have that "it is more exciting because there is no answer and will always remain a mystery".
Great video Scott, growing up in Shade Gap I drove by that sign many times and always wandered the meaning of it, and heard pretty much the same reasons you described in the video, I’m really looking forward to the video about the Mountain Man and Peggy Ann Bradnick, I know where most of the incidents took place both before the kidnapping and during the manhunt, even in school most of my book reports were from the book Deadly Pursuit that was about the kidnapping
I may hit you up as a resource :) Send me an email or jump over to FB to send me a DM. ;)
You are absolutely right. I always try and at least read the title of those signs, because it's hard to even do that sometimes while driving. But when we passed that sign I caught that title, I had to turn around and read it. The explanation that the reason is unknown on the sign definitely didn't dispell the feeling of unease. The only other sign which is even more uneasy to me is the babes in the woods.
OH... babes in the woods... that is in Pine Grove... I should go hit that one when the "winter" clears.
I love to read those markers and live in Shade Gap. I can tell you your information on the church is a little off. The church building wasn't built until the 1900's. As a life long member of the church, I would love to share the history of the church with you sometime you are in the area again.
According to the Diocese and the actual church website, my information is accurate.
@@ODDySEEy The church that stands now wasn't build until the 1900's, I should have clarified.
My gut reaction, considering the time period, natural descriptions and physical history, is the Scriptural basis of valley of the shadow of death seems most likely. Thanks for the glimpse into the history.
One of the things about Conrad Weiser is that he was so peaceful and docile and so loved by the Indians, that when a man pointed a gun at him, it caused the Indians to get so pissed that they burned down Cabins. I will get you that full story sometime soon... maybe next week or sometime later this month.
Great job Scott, as always. It's really funny how those signs get put up, yet there's no history that was written down from some. Shame on them.
I spent DAYS digging in the archives on this one and the ONLY piece of information regarding this sign is the mentioning of it in two books. One was Conrads and the other was John Harris (founder of Harrisburg) who never traveled the path but copied the names from Conrads Journal in order to make a "map" or "guide" for people who wanted to PAY for it.