Martinelli's failure to capitalize on that opportunity, along with Saliba and Kiwor's mistakes, was frustrating, but the most foolish of all was Trossard's giving away a gift to Bournemouth, which led to Saliba's red card.
Thank you!! Trossards decision was by far the worst and all I see is people criticizing Saliba (who should be smarter, but he was put in a terrible situation)
The starting line up was too defensive. and after we went down to 10, he used trossard and havertz as only outlet, when we needed more of a martinelli sterling or Jesus for Pace. For me its more on arteta then the players today. Did we really need kiwior ? why not move Rice at the back
We are slowly becoming "Nearly FC". We just do not seem to capitalize on the opportunities we get. It is the 8th gameweek and we have already dropped points to Brighton and Bournemouth and have played 3 games with 10 men. I am so livid mannn!!!
Don't think it's that deep really. We've built a team completely around Saka & Ødegaard and (understandably) we look uncrecognisable when they're both out. Add to that a red card for our best defender with 60 minutes left to play with 3 defensive-minded midfielders on the pitch and a manager so conservative he should be running for leader of the Tories. It's no surprise we created nothing.
Spot on. All the flaws in my view were due to lack of rotation. Arteta needs to trust Nwaneri and Myles-Skelly more. He can’t play the same 11 every league game. If you can’t rotate against Bournemouth you’ll never rotate.
Spot on about Nwaneri James, he should have some more confidence in the lad and play him. Too many relationships on the pitch were broken up and they didnt seem at it today
Yeah I agree. Could even have played Nwaneri on the right wing with Trossard 10 & Sterling on the left IF he was worried about physicality and discipline in central midfield
They need to be more concentrated if they want to win the league. 3 red cards in 8 games is unacceptable, I don't want to hear excuses about refs. Decision making has been poor in too many situations so far.
Even if it was the players' fault, Arteta's refusal to call them out publicly makes him culpable. He refused to call out Saliba, made excuses for Martinelli's inexcusable miss and took off our best performing attacker (Sterling) instead of Trossard (who had a howler of a first half). And he was far too defensive in tactics - parking the bus against Bournemouth instead of showing the courage to go for a win.
besides the red card, if we being honest we have been performing poor, Even though we won against Leicester and Southampton we were not our best. the signs have been there
An incredibly fair assessment of the game mate. I agree 100% on Saliba, if he doesn't do that, he still has an opportunity to chase back and also Evanilson has to get past Raya. I think it was very even prior to that happening, but afterwards we grew and grew in confidence. Christie's goal was very well worked and the penalty could have been prevented as you say. You really did miss Saka today. Semenyo and Ouattara were dangerous down the wings and created so much. I hope you guys can brush this defeat off and win the title. As you know have so much respect for you guys. Delighted about the win though, we don't expect to beat Arsenal and see these as bonus games so have to savour this result.
I’m bored every Arsenal game now. We are awful to watch. Played 3 DMs against Southampton and played 3 DMs against Bournemouth. Mikel Pulis is in season 6 now, no more phases, or process, it’s time to deliver. This is his team, players, tactics, etc so there’s is no excuse
@@philmusson1265 if it wasn’t for a set piece we could have been playing the NLD until now and we wouldn’t of scored. We’ve been bang average at best this season. 1 good half against City and 1 good half against PSG is about it. Poor against Wolves, Brighton, Atalanta, Southampton, Leicester, and we rode our luck against Spuds and Villa
Its just more inconsistencies that are frustrating for me, VAR hasnt intervened in similar situations already this year. But anyway, we know how it works
@@johnporcella2375 a Tottenham goalkeeper handling the ball twice outside the box as the ball was falling to the opposing players feet. That wasn't deemed a goal scoring opportunity
We need to see Kiwior go out the door in January. He's just not good enough, and that's unfortunate. He's a mid to lower-table back at best. Why did Nwaneri not start too? Why is Arteta not set us up to succeed?
City fan here, 101% Saliba's fault. There are always mistakes in passing, most of the goals we concede are of the same. You'd rather concede 1 than lose 1 man
Of course it was a red. Of course it was a pen. But that was not the problem. The problem was how we played. Before the red and after the red. Imo Arteta got too many things wrong today. How can we not just play with 3 defenders against f****** Bournemouth? Why do we need to roll over like babies? Are we title contenders? Why on earth is Nwaneri not coming in earlier? He changes the energy in the game. Every time.
You have never frustrated me more in a vid than this one James. 1) it most certainly was Trossards mistake, why is he putting us under pressure with that stupid pass? 2) Martinelli should score, plain and simple. Don’t let your bias of him cloud what you are saying. If this was Kai everyone would be loosing their mind. 3) we can indeed feel aggrieved by the red. Rival fans won’t “respect” you more just cause you are being that guy…. 4) Raya was sooooo poor but again it’s poor to bring up last season the moment he has 1 stinker. Now I most certainly agree with you that down to 10 men we are the poorest club when it comes to going forward, completely and utterly useless
We’ve had some decent results this season all things considered. But our performances, they’ve ranged from “meh” to “poor”. That will always catch up with you. I realize we’ve been missing Ødegaard for most of the season, but the team always looks so unbalanced and we rarely attack with conviction. A lot needs to change, and quick, or we’re all gonna be in for quite a rude awaking come April/May.
@@danogunnerwhat's the point of having him. No balls small club. God how do you wake up knowing you'll never touch title anytime soon. CL is never happening 😭
@@danogunner Yes. That's the point of having a squad. We didn't sign a backup for odegaard, so it automatically implies that nwaneri will get solid minutes. Our midfield has 0 creativity.
Arteta picked the wrong team, he takes too long to put trust in players..Nwaneri continues to show promise but Arteta's history of hesitance to alter his strategy holds us back from evolving when we need to...The team moral today also wasn't good, there was no fighting spirit or desire to work. Rice tried a few time but ultimately didn't have the support he need. We have been very poor in possession recently, i wonder how Arteta will overcome this in the next game
We know that the officiating is strict against us , we should not be making this rash descisions , first rice , then trossard, now saliba shows a lack of discipline and a lapse in the concentration , we should not be doing this in a title race , better done early and addressed soonest is the only good take from this , we were very poor lacked concentration
The only person not blaming trossard. Saliba was stupid for doing that. I don't blame trossard at all. I really thought this performance was gone from Arsenal. You will never see City play like that even with 10 men. The title is done and I'm not over exaggerating
Just to give some more context, Bournemouth only won 3 out of 8 this season. On starting Lineup not much you can do given injuries, including martinelli, but on in game management is a different issue. There were better games to give nwaneri a start but arteta decided against so to expect him to do that here is unreasonable. Merino started bad but grew into the game, may take a few games to settle
We were bad. Saliba is having a terrible week in general. Low on confidence given the France game. Arteta should have started Jesus on the right and Sterling on the left with Trossard playing at no. 10 instead of Merino.
Nwaneri looked p**sed off on the bench from the coverage .. he may have brought the spark we needed .. Arteta needs to give him a go .. he’ll either sink or swim and then well know :: Chin up Gooners .. theres a long road ahead
@@johnporcella2375 We started with 3 Dms … Rice and Partey could hqve protected him 11 v 11 .. anyway a moot point .. We had no creativity today … onto the next one 💪👍
I don't ever want to see a Rice, Partey, Merino starting midfield ever again. Even if Arteta choses not to start Nwaneri, he could have played two up front with Jesus and Havertz together.
This loss is on Arteta. We were sh*t from the start, it's not just the red card why we lost. There was zero creativity, zero initiative, it almost feels like Mikel expects us to win all our games from set pieces. What tf was that midfield? Nwaneri had to start.
Decent officiating. 100% red card. Hospital pass from trossard and moment of idiocy from saliba. Also, the subs were mikel were poor. What was the point of bringing on kiwior for sterling in the first half. Poor lineup, zero creativity in the midfield. Why mikel refuses to play nwaneri is a million pound question. Overall, from lineup to FT....it was a disasterclass We have dropped 7 points in the first 8 games. I cannot believe it.
If you keep going down to 10 men it shows that something is wrong with the teams mentality. Raya and Saliba made mistakes they've not been making and it affected the whole team.
Normally I agree with most of what you say James, but not on the point that the players are more to blame than the manager. He played four (natural) CBs and three defensive-minded midfielders. Then he played two wingers who have minimal transition threat. What was he expecting to happen? Duel winning is important, for sure, but at the cost of our creativity and fluency in the middle? We didn't offer anything in an attacking sense and our performance was lukewarm even when it was 11 v 11. As you mentioned, we got rid of Smith-Rowe and Vieira, and have done nothing to replace them. It's not great squad building. The players looked uncomfortable and Trossard panicked when he was under pressure (which led to that hospital ball to Saliba). The players deserve criticism, but the main issue here is Arteta's unbalanced line-ups are causing us more issues than people want to admit.
That was unacceptable from Arsenal. We were unfocused, and in the second half, it was evidently obvious. After when Sablia was sent off, we were poor and lazy.
Never winning the league with this team , we are still short , we lack killers in this team , if this is man city or liverpool they still dominate Bournemouth with 10 men
James we were poor. I thought it was a red card too. James we needed creativity in that match and there wasn't one. This is Arteta mistake for benching Nwaneri our only close to creative midfielder. Why was Martinelli in the bench after the red card.
I actually think I’m a bit more critical of Saliba than most Arsenal fans, but this one Im not saying “what are you doing” to him. I think that’s a bit harsh. Trossard is defended wayyyyyyyyyy to much for that
We need to stop talking about individual player performances when we lose against a team like Bournemouth. Sure Martinelli's miss could be a deciding moment against a team like City or Liverpool but Bournemouth? We didn't create a single chance in the first 30 minutes. That's much more of a problem than individual moments. Semenyo missing 2 big chances and Bournemouth still winning proves my point.
It was a red for me. Both Trossard and Saliba are to be blamed. Marino did play as a 10 for Spain recently. The team Arteta chose could have won us the game barring the red. We have to keep in mind that subs play a part in the game too. I just think the team wasn't really at it. I hate when we lose but I didn't think we would have had an invincible season. Lets see what the upcoming games bring. I'm still optimistic. Last point: I think Sterling was doing well.
I don't understand why we always start so damn slow. Only when we concede a goal we start pressing and playing like we used to before :/ We are focusing WAY to much on defending in my opinion (vs ''trash'' teams). We are not pressing them and we let opponents play. It doesn't matter if its Man City or Bournemouth everyone gets ball control when they play against us. I just don't get it why we did a complete 180 from last year.
We deserve nothing from the game bro. The selection, tactics and performance are all below mid table. Keeping Nelson would have been better than bringing in Sterling. We can’t win league with this level of depth especially in our final third.
Saliba should be hold responsible. He let down the team and fans. Now we have to play 3 next games without him couple with our injuries. I think MA need to start trusting Nwaneri now. Without a proper creative midfielder we were shit and has been for a while. Am a bit happy this happened today, it serves as wake up
“I don’t think arteta got everything right” - that’s the proof right there… ONLY arteta HAS to get EVERYTHING right to win… that’s the margin PGMOL has left him. Other managers can make mistakes and still win.
Not saying Turkish is wrong but he's quite two face when Arsenal drop points.... maybe it's the initial reaction, who knows but keep the same energy when the players win with the critique, and it's funny because he used to do and was consistent
We were diabolical plain and simple. Our offense has been terroble since the season began getting we need to improve our striking cabilities as well as players who can create chances. Were too one sided on defense right now. At the moment cant see us challenging City or Liverpool
I'm proud of this team. It wasn't the result we expected but sometimes it's like that. It's the bounce back that matters and now we can't afford more of these setbacks. Liverpool and City are going to capitalize on this slip up. Avoid banters till the end of the season.
@@omotubijesutosin6261 What happened happened. No excuses we lost. We can't waste any more time on this game when we have 30 more to worry about. So unless you've constructive criticism just Keep it to yourself. I'm proud of them because it's the third time they've played with a red card it's been a long time since things were last fair. So these losses kinda don't count. I know they do because we could be 7 points ahead of where we are now.....but the conditions can't be ignored. No team should have to play 3 times with 10 men and it's just matchweek 8. Sports lost sportsmanship. A guy made De Ligt bleed today and there was no redcard. That's why I am saying they kinda don't count as the conditions were irregular. They don't realize what they are doing to themselves.
Didn’t need to change everything up so quickly Could’ve played Ben White in Salibas position and Partey RB, rice drops back. Made the decision too quickly and Kiwior was poor.
Can you guys who have Real influence start calling Mikel Arteta out for how he doesn't trust substitutes and young players? It feels like you can't get minutes unless you are in the first 11. He should have brought Nwanieri at the 60th minute or the minute we went behind. Scrambling to get subs on at the 80th minute is so annoying to me, I wonder how the players feel. The game has 5 subs now he needs to start giving players real chances to prove themselves or else we'll lose our best youngsters. I belive Mikel is the man for the job but I hate those 2 things about him and I believe more people need to talk about it before we lose this talented player man.
James, the fact you said bournemouth is a good team, compared to us they are horse. We did nothing in front of Goal. We need to stop hyping this team and club up.
@@TheGoonerverse dude it we are as good as everyone makes out, 10 men Arsenal should be taking care of Bournemouth. Why is it sometimes Arsenal always make these teams look world Class. No disrespect just venting out my man. 🙌🏽
Disagree James, it wasn’t an opportunity. I believe what the Ref initially gave was a fair, with the yellow. I genuinely don’t think anyone bats an eyelid if VAR stays out of it. The only people that roll the dice is VAR, which has forced the hand
I do think we have a good squad , but we still have a few liabilities, Kiwior is certainly one of those, yes he had a period of being ‘ok’ but he reminds me of the many many dodgy defenders that were bought during the Wenger era - Cygan, Taviardis, Luzhny etc, Arteta was far too defensive taking sterling off, and Kiwior always has a disastrous moment in him, It’s early days for Merino, but I’m not encouraged. Have we got the player who wasn’t good enough for Newcastle a few years back?
James, as you criticise the team selection please don’t forget you suggested resting Declan Rice less than 48 hrs ago. We had a bad day. End of... Let's take this one on the chin - we have to stick together: players and fans. There's plenty of room to recover. It's still early doors.
We should of never given Arteta a new contract he has won nothing and in my opinion had to prove he could win something this season to deserve a new contract I’m not saying he’s a bad manager I’m just saying he is not an elite manager who is gonna win us a major trophy
You are definately right .How can he play trossarson in the position where he hasnt played for weeks .he weekend our chances in the central area playing merino in an away match.That was atge origination of the problem instead play nwaneri .That guy can never win the premier league .i can bet it with u
Serious question, do you think this team/manager is good enough to actually get it over the line. Maybe it’s just PTSD or an overreaction but we seem to constantly fail when there is an opportunity to take the top spot and Mikel seems to over complicate or overthink things
Kiwior should never have been subbed on today, I don’t care if it’s 10 men we are going defensive against Bournemouth at 0-0, we look shit and useless going forwards in most games.
Am going to disagree with you James on Rice because I usually agree with everything you say. Rice today wasn't it at all. I would say the guy who stood out for me was Kai, he had glimpses where he really wanted it. but from the get go everyone was POOR. Arteta inclusive!!!!!
Nonsense! Of course VAR can invite the referee to review his decision. The ref, on reflection, decided that he made a mistake and failed to realised that a goal-scoring opportunity was denied.
@@johnporcella2375 don't piss me of you obviously are clueless to new rule, it's in new rules once the ref has made his decision on the pitch with a clear view VAR can't get involved it's the within the rule🤦🏻♂️ no matter what everyone thinks of the foul it's up to the ref go look it up🤡
Of course it was red - and a pen. The players ballsed it up. Lazy mentality coz it was only Bournemouth???If so, that's a worry. Let's get this nonsense sorted out early. A LONG way to go.
Getting a red card Allowing a penalty If we cannot win such games yep count this season we are finishing 2nd or 3rd AGAIN come end of the season I know city will find their mojo and when they do we will find it very hard to catch up Count on us dropping wins in the domestic cup competition to average teams Count on us struggling in the playoffs in the champions league I'm pissed on the coach and team today
this is ARTETA all day long, tross not a winger, arteta had him LW, sterling only effective when cutting in from the left, arteta had him RW, SAliba gets red ARTETA panics, brings on kwior then sub him off we need jesus or martinelli on pitch earlier some pace or trickery for an outlet , or som free kicks up field, areta waited and waited, for what!! it was horrible, from arsenal even at 11 v 11. plus we had a transfer window to fix our bench ARTETA and co didnt, tey bought medioce players again, wr fkd!!!!!!!
I can't stand Arsenal fans like you James who will just eat red cards given to us with no defence of us or no nuance in your take at all. Then, when the exact same situations happen to us, sit there like a utter numpty wondering how the other team got away with it. I've just sat and watched a full hour of Howard Webb on The Overlap talking about how this season there's going to be a lot more emphasis and significance given to "the Referee's Call". Today, the on field Referee deemed it to be a foul but could not be certain that it was a denial of a "clear goal scoring opportunity" and so RIGHTLY issued a yellow card (distance from goal, player not in control of ball, Raya could come out to clear, White near enough level and could have recovered perhaps not the ball but reduced and defended the space etc.) For VAR to see this as a "CLEAR AND OBVIOUS" clanger from the Ref which MUST be revisited, is a travesty in light of what Howard Webb was saying on The Overlap. To make matters worse, if you watched the game on TV, you will have seen Howard Webb, on his phone wired up with an earpeace which I can only presume is connected to Stockley Park VAR. If Howard Webb has interferred here with the refereeing of that game, essentially as a spectator, then that is an absolute SCANDAL in my view. Not only that, you have a self-proclaimed Liverpool fan on VAR involved in a decision that has direct implications for the team he supports because we play Liverpool next!! But no, naive and gullible fans like you will gaslight other Arsenal fans into thinking there's no issue, malpractice or conspiracy at play as if Referee's are sinless angels not susceptible to bias/corruption. You are a disgrace mate.
It’s absolutely a red, arsenal players haven’t learned anything from the last previous games, English referees hate arsenal with that arsenal players should not give the referees any reasons to issues this ridiculous cards. We are not winning the league this season it’s simply as that.
You Guys keep overhyping this Kids. You content creator have to allow the boys to win a trophy before the Hype. You underrated your opponent. We expected to win by rotating player. Mikel Merino is a majoy disttraction. FANS are putting much pressure on this team.
Martinelli's failure to capitalize on that opportunity, along with Saliba and Kiwor's mistakes, was frustrating, but the most foolish of all was Trossard's giving away a gift to Bournemouth, which led to Saliba's red card.
And trossad
Thank you!! Trossards decision was by far the worst and all I see is people criticizing Saliba (who should be smarter, but he was put in a terrible situation)
He had a bad moment but Saliba doesn’t need to commit the foul. Bad from Trossard but much worse from Saliba
@@TheGoonerverse real spill 💯
@@TheGoonerverse that’s Trossards fault 100%. You can’t play through a Bournemouth player from midfield. Awful pass, Saliba had no choice
The starting line up was too defensive. and after we went down to 10, he used trossard and havertz as only outlet, when we needed more of a martinelli sterling or Jesus for Pace. For me its more on arteta then the players today. Did we really need kiwior ? why not move Rice at the back
Arteta is too defensive.
We are slowly becoming "Nearly FC". We just do not seem to capitalize on the opportunities we get. It is the 8th gameweek and we have already dropped points to Brighton and Bournemouth and have played 3 games with 10 men. I am so livid mannn!!!
It’s crazy how valuable and how much we rely on Saka, Odegaard, and Saliba is to us. Without them, we look below average.
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Don't think it's that deep really. We've built a team completely around Saka & Ødegaard and (understandably) we look uncrecognisable when they're both out. Add to that a red card for our best defender with 60 minutes left to play with 3 defensive-minded midfielders on the pitch and a manager so conservative he should be running for leader of the Tories. It's no surprise we created nothing.
Nice comment
That wasn’t the manager’s fault, the players let the team down
The problem is Arteta failed to call them out. In the post match interview he made excuses for all of them. Poor mentality. See my main comment.
Spot on. All the flaws in my view were due to lack of rotation. Arteta needs to trust Nwaneri and Myles-Skelly more. He can’t play the same 11 every league game. If you can’t rotate against Bournemouth you’ll never rotate.
SALIBA SHOULD KNOW THAT 0-1 AT 30 MIN IS BETTER THAN 10 MEN FOR 65 MINUTES.
Spot on about Nwaneri James, he should have some more confidence in the lad and play him. Too many relationships on the pitch were broken up and they didnt seem at it today
Yeah I agree. Could even have played Nwaneri on the right wing with Trossard 10 & Sterling on the left IF he was worried about physicality and discipline in central midfield
They need to be more concentrated if they want to win the league. 3 red cards in 8 games is unacceptable, I don't want to hear excuses about refs. Decision making has been poor in too many situations so far.
Even if it was the players' fault, Arteta's refusal to call them out publicly makes him culpable. He refused to call out Saliba, made excuses for Martinelli's inexcusable miss and took off our best performing attacker (Sterling) instead of Trossard (who had a howler of a first half). And he was far too defensive in tactics - parking the bus against Bournemouth instead of showing the courage to go for a win.
besides the red card, if we being honest we have been performing poor, Even though we won against Leicester and Southampton we were not our best. the signs have been there
An incredibly fair assessment of the game mate. I agree 100% on Saliba, if he doesn't do that, he still has an opportunity to chase back and also Evanilson has to get past Raya. I think it was very even prior to that happening, but afterwards we grew and grew in confidence. Christie's goal was very well worked and the penalty could have been prevented as you say. You really did miss Saka today. Semenyo and Ouattara were dangerous down the wings and created so much. I hope you guys can brush this defeat off and win the title. As you know have so much respect for you guys. Delighted about the win though, we don't expect to beat Arsenal and see these as bonus games so have to savour this result.
When Arteta took Sterling off and brought Kiwior on, I knew we were not winning that game.
I’m bored every Arsenal game now. We are awful to watch. Played 3 DMs against Southampton and played 3 DMs against Bournemouth. Mikel Pulis is in season 6 now, no more phases, or process, it’s time to deliver. This is his team, players, tactics, etc so there’s is no excuse
Beo still not good enough 😕 😮. The team we have is to deliver ,what AW was doing season in and out.😅😟😣😡😠🤡
You were bored watching the City game and the NLD? What a plastic.
@@philmusson1265 if it wasn’t for a set piece we could have been playing the NLD until now and we wouldn’t of scored. We’ve been bang average at best this season. 1 good half against City and 1 good half against PSG is about it. Poor against Wolves, Brighton, Atalanta, Southampton, Leicester, and we rode our luck against Spuds and Villa
@@philmusson1265we are a boring team to watch going forward this season. That's not plastic, you silly cvnt, that's facts.
Martinelli has to bury that chance. He does that and we go 6-3-0 and lock the game. They scored literally 2 minutes after that. Gutted.
Precisely why you lost lol. Such a weak mentality. At least own the L loser
Its just more inconsistencies that are frustrating for me, VAR hasnt intervened in similar situations already this year. But anyway, we know how it works
Care to tell us which incident or incide to you have in mind?
I think it was in the Villa game today a player got a yellow for a similar situation.
@@johnporcella2375 a Tottenham goalkeeper handling the ball twice outside the box as the ball was falling to the opposing players feet. That wasn't deemed a goal scoring opportunity
But its a red thats what matters
@@TChAriv1 you aren't picking up what I'm putting down there bud
We need to see Kiwior go out the door in January. He's just not good enough, and that's unfortunate. He's a mid to lower-table back at best. Why did Nwaneri not start too? Why is Arteta not set us up to succeed?
City fan here, 101% Saliba's fault. There are always mistakes in passing, most of the goals we concede are of the same. You'd rather concede 1 than lose 1 man
Of course it was a red. Of course it was a pen. But that was not the problem. The problem was how we played. Before the red and after the red.
Imo Arteta got too many things wrong today. How can we not just play with 3 defenders against f****** Bournemouth? Why do we need to roll over like babies? Are we title contenders?
Why on earth is Nwaneri not coming in earlier? He changes the energy in the game. Every time.
You have never frustrated me more in a vid than this one James. 1) it most certainly was Trossards mistake, why is he putting us under pressure with that stupid pass? 2) Martinelli should score, plain and simple. Don’t let your bias of him cloud what you are saying. If this was Kai everyone would be loosing their mind. 3) we can indeed feel aggrieved by the red. Rival fans won’t “respect” you more just cause you are being that guy…. 4) Raya was sooooo poor but again it’s poor to bring up last season the moment he has 1 stinker.
Now I most certainly agree with you that down to 10 men we are the poorest club when it comes to going forward, completely and utterly useless
Did you actually watch the video? James says that Trossard made a mistake and that Martinelli should have scored.
@@johnporcella2375 pleb how did he say it? Also did I say he didn’t say martinelli should have scored???? Did you read what I wrote then?
hopefully the squad doesn’t just brush this off and actually use this as a wake up call we’ve conceded far too many goals from a lack concentration
We've gone full cycle from Wenger buying forwards and no DM/CBs to Arteta buying every CB available and no forwards
We’ve had some decent results this season all things considered. But our performances, they’ve ranged from “meh” to “poor”. That will always catch up with you. I realize we’ve been missing Ødegaard for most of the season, but the team always looks so unbalanced and we rarely attack with conviction. A lot needs to change, and quick, or we’re all gonna be in for quite a rude awaking come April/May.
Not the end of the world. Arsenal will be just fine. We were due this result. We can beat Liverpool without Saliba
Arsenal cannot win the league without key players like saka odegaard saliba.
We started 4 CBs and 3 DMs against Bournemouth, tells you everything you need to know about Arteta ball
Arsenal are missing a bunch of attacking players though…. You want him to play 17yr old Nwaneri?
@@danogunnerwhat's the point of having him. No balls small club. God how do you wake up knowing you'll never touch title anytime soon. CL is never happening 😭
@@danogunner Yes. That's the point of having a squad. We didn't sign a backup for odegaard, so it automatically implies that nwaneri will get solid minutes.
Our midfield has 0 creativity.
@@danogunneryes. That’s exactly what I want. If not you’re not going to play him AND you’re going to sell ESR, you’ll look very foolish.
@@masterchief1520you must have big balls , a massive bank balance , ..no balls millionaires compared to your big balls … ok
Trossard has assisted in costing us in two games!
Arteta picked the wrong team, he takes too long to put trust in players..Nwaneri continues to show promise but Arteta's history of hesitance to alter his strategy holds us back from evolving when we need to...The team moral today also wasn't good, there was no fighting spirit or desire to work. Rice tried a few time but ultimately didn't have the support he need.
We have been very poor in possession recently, i wonder how Arteta will overcome this in the next game
We know that the officiating is strict against us , we should not be making this rash descisions , first rice , then trossard, now saliba shows a lack of discipline and a lapse in the concentration , we should not be doing this in a title race , better done early and addressed soonest is the only good take from this , we were very poor lacked concentration
Bro we not winning anything if they play like that trust me Arteta got it wrong
The only person not blaming trossard. Saliba was stupid for doing that. I don't blame trossard at all. I really thought this performance was gone from Arsenal. You will never see City play like that even with 10 men. The title is done and I'm not over exaggerating
agreed. Title is gone
You don’t blame trossard deslite him doing an absolutely insane blind back pass? It’s salibas fault, but the pass was still ridiculous
Just to give some more context, Bournemouth only won 3 out of 8 this season. On starting Lineup not much you can do given injuries, including martinelli, but on in game management is a different issue. There were better games to give nwaneri a start but arteta decided against so to expect him to do that here is unreasonable. Merino started bad but grew into the game, may take a few games to settle
We were bad. Saliba is having a terrible week in general. Low on confidence given the France game.
Arteta should have started Jesus on the right and Sterling on the left with Trossard playing at no. 10 instead of Merino.
Nwaneri looked p**sed off on the bench from the coverage .. he may have brought the spark we needed .. Arteta needs to give him a go .. he’ll either sink or swim and then well know :: Chin up Gooners .. theres a long road ahead
Did you want him laughing and joking at how we were playing right from the start?
Nwaneri could easily sink, bringing down the curtain on the season. Arteta has to be careful not to ruin him.
@@johnporcella2375 We started with 3 Dms … Rice and Partey could hqve protected him 11 v 11 .. anyway a moot point .. We had no creativity today … onto the next one 💪👍
I don't ever want to see a Rice, Partey, Merino starting midfield ever again. Even if Arteta choses not to start Nwaneri, he could have played two up front with Jesus and Havertz together.
We’ve not been good enough since the season started. Results, yes but performances, meh. It catches up. And today it did.
Reminded me of Mustafi, Sokratis and He who mus not be named, just in attack rather than defense
I too, those days
Stinky game.
This loss is on Arteta. We were sh*t from the start, it's not just the red card why we lost. There was zero creativity, zero initiative, it almost feels like Mikel expects us to win all our games from set pieces. What tf was that midfield? Nwaneri had to start.
Decent officiating. 100% red card. Hospital pass from trossard and moment of idiocy from saliba. Also, the subs were mikel were poor. What was the point of bringing on kiwior for sterling in the first half. Poor lineup, zero creativity in the midfield.
Why mikel refuses to play nwaneri is a million pound question.
Overall, from lineup to FT....it was a disasterclass
We have dropped 7 points in the first 8 games. I cannot believe it.
Villa away, Man City away amd Spurs away. It is not a surprise if Arsenal has dropped seven points.
the last 3 games shows that Arteta is not the manager that will bring us to the next level. Not trusting his squad and overly defensive.
Merino just played the right 8 role for Spain. Like 4 days ago.
If you keep going down to 10 men it shows that something is wrong with the teams mentality. Raya and Saliba made mistakes they've not been making and it affected the whole team.
Normally I agree with most of what you say James, but not on the point that the players are more to blame than the manager.
He played four (natural) CBs and three defensive-minded midfielders. Then he played two wingers who have minimal transition threat. What was he expecting to happen? Duel winning is important, for sure, but at the cost of our creativity and fluency in the middle? We didn't offer anything in an attacking sense and our performance was lukewarm even when it was 11 v 11.
As you mentioned, we got rid of Smith-Rowe and Vieira, and have done nothing to replace them. It's not great squad building.
The players looked uncomfortable and Trossard panicked when he was under pressure (which led to that hospital ball to Saliba).
The players deserve criticism, but the main issue here is Arteta's unbalanced line-ups are causing us more issues than people want to admit.
That was unacceptable from Arsenal.
We were unfocused, and in the second half, it was evidently obvious.
After when Sablia was sent off, we were poor and lazy.
Never winning the league with this team , we are still short , we lack killers in this team , if this is man city or liverpool they still dominate Bournemouth with 10 men
and the Arteta is not elite level
James we were poor. I thought it was a red card too. James we needed creativity in that match and there wasn't one. This is Arteta mistake for benching Nwaneri our only close to creative midfielder. Why was Martinelli in the bench after the red card.
Because we had a central defender sent off.
I actually think I’m a bit more critical of Saliba than most Arsenal fans, but this one Im not saying “what are you doing” to him. I think that’s a bit harsh. Trossard is defended wayyyyyyyyyy to much for that
We need to stop talking about individual player performances when we lose against a team like Bournemouth. Sure Martinelli's miss could be a deciding moment against a team like City or Liverpool but Bournemouth? We didn't create a single chance in the first 30 minutes. That's much more of a problem than individual moments.
Semenyo missing 2 big chances and Bournemouth still winning proves my point.
It was a red for me. Both Trossard and Saliba are to be blamed. Marino did play as a 10 for Spain recently. The team Arteta chose could have won us the game barring the red. We have to keep in mind that subs play a part in the game too. I just think the team wasn't really at it. I hate when we lose but I didn't think we would have had an invincible season. Lets see what the upcoming games bring. I'm still optimistic. Last point: I think Sterling was doing well.
ARTETA JUSTS TRUSTS OLDER PLAYERS EVEN IF THEY ARE UNDERPERFORMING. PLAY NWANERI FOR ATLEAST 30 MINUTES. HE CAN CREATE.
I don't understand why we always start so damn slow. Only when we concede a goal we start pressing and playing like we used to before :/
We are focusing WAY to much on defending in my opinion (vs ''trash'' teams). We are not pressing them and we let opponents play. It doesn't matter if its Man City or Bournemouth everyone gets ball control when they play against us. I just don't get it why we did a complete 180 from last year.
Arteta got his selection completely wrong. He is not good enough to deliver the title for Arsenal.
Dive for me, the second he put his hand on his shoulder the player committed himself to going to ground and the ref should have seen that
The legs of Saliba brought the attacker down.
My issue is with arteta, even bringing on kiwior to start with, but my main point ethan is looking better than bloody Jesus
The only toner worth listening too.
We deserve nothing from the game bro. The selection, tactics and performance are all below mid table. Keeping Nelson would have been better than bringing in Sterling. We can’t win league with this level of depth especially in our final third.
Saliba should be hold responsible. He let down the team and fans. Now we have to play 3 next games without him couple with our injuries.
I think MA need to start trusting Nwaneri now. Without a proper creative midfielder we were shit and has been for a while. Am a bit happy this happened today, it serves as wake up
“I don’t think arteta got everything right” - that’s the proof right there… ONLY arteta HAS to get EVERYTHING right to win… that’s the margin PGMOL has left him. Other managers can make mistakes and still win.
You realise that you sound like a deluded paranoid person?
So how many more misses for people to finally realise Martinelli is shit?
This is always coming with our squad depth.
Last man fouls have always been a red card no matter how you try to spin the inconsistancy part.
Arteta might have peaked in 22/23. He's so negative it's unreal.
Not saying Turkish is wrong but he's quite two face when Arsenal drop points.... maybe it's the initial reaction, who knows but keep the same energy when the players win with the critique, and it's funny because he used to do and was consistent
We were diabolical plain and simple. Our offense has been terroble since the season began getting we need to improve our striking cabilities as well as players who can create chances. Were too one sided on defense right now. At the moment cant see us challenging City or Liverpool
Lackluster , disappointing, embarrassing yet not surprising. we are not a serious club! We talk about our history but don’t make new history
I'm proud of this team. It wasn't the result we expected but sometimes it's like that. It's the bounce back that matters and now we can't afford more of these setbacks. Liverpool and City are going to capitalize on this slip up. Avoid banters till the end of the season.
Common Arsenal should not be losing to Bournemouth let's tell ourselves the truth.
@@omotubijesutosin6261 What happened happened. No excuses we lost. We can't waste any more time on this game when we have 30 more to worry about. So unless you've constructive criticism just Keep it to yourself. I'm proud of them because it's the third time they've played with a red card it's been a long time since things were last fair. So these losses kinda don't count. I know they do because we could be 7 points ahead of where we are now.....but the conditions can't be ignored. No team should have to play 3 times with 10 men and it's just matchweek 8. Sports lost sportsmanship. A guy made De Ligt bleed today and there was no redcard. That's why I am saying they kinda don't count as the conditions were irregular. They don't realize what they are doing to themselves.
Didn’t need to change everything up so quickly
Could’ve played Ben White in Salibas position and Partey RB, rice drops back.
Made the decision too quickly and Kiwior was poor.
a bad day in the office...
Can you guys who have Real influence start calling Mikel Arteta out for how he doesn't trust substitutes and young players? It feels like you can't get minutes unless you are in the first 11. He should have brought Nwanieri at the 60th minute or the minute we went behind. Scrambling to get subs on at the 80th minute is so annoying to me, I wonder how the players feel. The game has 5 subs now he needs to start giving players real chances to prove themselves or else we'll lose our best youngsters. I belive Mikel is the man for the job but I hate those 2 things about him and I believe more people need to talk about it before we lose this talented player man.
Nwaneri did not do much.
James, the fact you said bournemouth is a good team, compared to us they are horse. We did nothing in front of Goal. We need to stop hyping this team and club up.
I spent the vid criticising the whole team and the manager no?
@@TheGoonerverse dude it we are as good as everyone makes out, 10 men Arsenal should be taking care of Bournemouth. Why is it sometimes Arsenal always make these teams look world Class. No disrespect just venting out my man. 🙌🏽
Disagree James, it wasn’t an opportunity. I believe what the Ref initially gave was a fair, with the yellow. I genuinely don’t think anyone bats an eyelid if VAR stays out of it. The only people that roll the dice is VAR, which has forced the hand
The ref, alas, made a mistake with a mere yellow amd had to review it to get the right decision.
GOOOOOOONERS
I do think we have a good squad , but we still have a few liabilities, Kiwior is certainly one of those, yes he had a period of being ‘ok’ but he reminds me of the many many dodgy defenders that were bought during the Wenger era - Cygan, Taviardis, Luzhny etc,
Arteta was far too defensive taking sterling off, and Kiwior always has a disastrous moment in him,
It’s early days for Merino, but I’m not encouraged. Have we got the player who wasn’t good enough for Newcastle a few years back?
James, as you criticise the team selection please don’t forget you suggested resting Declan Rice less than 48 hrs ago.
We had a bad day. End of...
Let's take this one on the chin - we have to stick together: players and fans. There's plenty of room to recover.
It's still early doors.
But it’s all about dynamics and profiles too. I never asked for Merino in the 10 😭
@@TheGoonerverse Merino started in the 10 in the last Spain game, Idk why fans are so surprised by him playing there
You cant keep expecting to get results with 10 men, trossard and saliba seemed to be a lack of composure and iq, its worrying.
Apparently the "Rolls Royce" gor a red paint job...
Relax. First loss comes today. We move. Just need to fix the red cards and we're alright
Mikel merino is not at the speed of the prem unfortunately. Arteta should play Nwaneri instead of merino for now
We should of never given Arteta a new contract he has won nothing and in my opinion had to prove he could win something this season to deserve a new contract I’m not saying he’s a bad manager I’m just saying he is not an elite manager who is gonna win us a major trophy
You are definately right .How can he play trossarson in the position where he hasnt played for weeks .he weekend our chances in the central area playing merino in an away match.That was atge origination of the problem instead play nwaneri .That guy can never win the premier league .i can bet it with u
We were crap from kick off!!! It happens it’s football! Let’s move on.
Were a winning league side 🫠
Serious question, do you think this team/manager is good enough to actually get it over the line. Maybe it’s just PTSD or an overreaction but we seem to constantly fail when there is an opportunity to take the top spot and Mikel seems to over complicate or overthink things
Kiwior should never have been subbed on today, I don’t care if it’s 10 men we are going defensive against Bournemouth at 0-0, we look shit and useless going forwards in most games.
Am going to disagree with you James on Rice because I usually agree with everything you say. Rice today wasn't it at all. I would say the guy who stood out for me was Kai, he had glimpses where he really wanted it. but from the get go everyone was POOR. Arteta inclusive!!!!!
The only problem is VAR re refereeing the game, The ref gave a yellow that's it we should of moved on. VAR can't get involved.
Nonsense! Of course VAR can invite the referee to review his decision. The ref, on reflection, decided that he made a mistake and failed to realised that a goal-scoring opportunity was denied.
@@johnporcella2375 don't piss me of you obviously are clueless to new rule, it's in new rules once the ref has made his decision on the pitch with a clear view VAR can't get involved it's the within the rule🤦🏻♂️ no matter what everyone thinks of the foul it's up to the ref go look it up🤡
Of course it was red - and a pen. The players ballsed it up. Lazy mentality coz it was only Bournemouth???If so, that's a worry. Let's get this nonsense sorted out early. A LONG way to go.
You’ve got a channel ?
Getting a red card
Allowing a penalty
If we cannot win such games yep count this season we are finishing 2nd or 3rd AGAIN come end of the season I know city will find their mojo and when they do we will find it very hard to catch up
Count on us dropping wins in the domestic cup competition to average teams
Count on us struggling in the playoffs in the champions league
I'm pissed on the coach and team today
Only 30 games to go...😂
this is ARTETA all day long, tross not a winger, arteta had him LW, sterling only effective when cutting in from the left, arteta had him RW, SAliba gets red ARTETA panics, brings on kwior then sub him off we need jesus or martinelli on pitch earlier some pace or trickery for an outlet , or som free kicks up field, areta waited and waited, for what!! it was horrible, from arsenal even at 11 v 11. plus we had a transfer window to fix our bench ARTETA and co didnt, tey bought medioce players again, wr fkd!!!!!!!
I can't stand Arsenal fans like you James who will just eat red cards given to us with no defence of us or no nuance in your take at all. Then, when the exact same situations happen to us, sit there like a utter numpty wondering how the other team got away with it.
I've just sat and watched a full hour of Howard Webb on The Overlap talking about how this season there's going to be a lot more emphasis and significance given to "the Referee's Call". Today, the on field Referee deemed it to be a foul but could not be certain that it was a denial of a "clear goal scoring opportunity" and so RIGHTLY issued a yellow card (distance from goal, player not in control of ball, Raya could come out to clear, White near enough level and could have recovered perhaps not the ball but reduced and defended the space etc.) For VAR to see this as a "CLEAR AND OBVIOUS" clanger from the Ref which MUST be revisited, is a travesty in light of what Howard Webb was saying on The Overlap.
To make matters worse, if you watched the game on TV, you will have seen Howard Webb, on his phone wired up with an earpeace which I can only presume is connected to Stockley Park VAR. If Howard Webb has interferred here with the refereeing of that game, essentially as a spectator, then that is an absolute SCANDAL in my view. Not only that, you have a self-proclaimed Liverpool fan on VAR involved in a decision that has direct implications for the team he supports because we play Liverpool next!! But no, naive and gullible fans like you will gaslight other Arsenal fans into thinking there's no issue, malpractice or conspiracy at play as if Referee's are sinless angels not susceptible to bias/corruption. You are a disgrace mate.
Saka was out, story end of!
Tross need to come off the bench
January. Striker.
It’s absolutely a red, arsenal players haven’t learned anything from the last previous games, English referees hate arsenal with that arsenal players should not give the referees any reasons to issues this ridiculous cards. We are not winning the league this season it’s simply as that.
If it was "absolutely a red", then why are you calling it "ridiculous"?
Unai Emery>
arteta need to take the fkn shackles off nwaneri, merino cannot play the odegard pos nwaneri can, merino is soo fkn slow
yea that was bad. We don’t deserve to win the league with shite performance like that
You Guys keep overhyping this Kids.
You content creator have to allow the boys to win a trophy before the Hype.
You underrated your opponent. We expected to win by rotating player. Mikel Merino is a majoy disttraction.
FANS are putting much pressure on this team.